Braver Class Talk

[Not Crazed]

Hatou is sooooo expensive x.x

Is it very hard to hard find then?

[MetalDude]

I think boss part density will play a big role in determining which is best. Ragne, for example, is too spread out. If your ultimate objective is to kill it as fast as possible (so one leg and attack core), then your damage is going to be focused the whole time. SS wins here. Banthers are also about inflicting stun through breaking a part, but because the parts are so clustered together HR will not only hit the head but handily hit a good chunk of the other parts very easily.

So size will definitely play a big part of it. Spread parts will probably lead to more SS use while cluttered parts will lend itself more to HR use.

This is mostly just conjecture without going into real numbers (it's really fucking hard to track HR's damage), but it seems reasonable enough to believe this.

[gigawuts]

I think boss part density will play a big role in determining which is best. Ragne, for example, is too spread out. If your ultimate objective is to kill it as fast as possible (so one leg and attack core), then your damage is going to be focused the whole time. SS wins here. Banthers are also about inflicting stun through breaking a part, but because the parts are so clustered together HR will not only hit the head but handily hit a good chunk of the other parts very easily.

So size will definitely play a big part of it. Spread parts will probably lead to more SS use while cluttered parts will lend itself more to HR use.

This is mostly just conjecture without going into real numbers (it's really fucking hard to track HR's damage), but it seems reasonable enough to believe this.

Yeah, HR will land SO many more hits on targets with a lot of hitboxes. Ragne will eat something like 12-15 6ks and 3 12ks from my hatou while it's downed and I'm targeting its core at the right distance. I'm looking forward to smashing the fordransas in sanctum TA to bits with just one shunka, though.

Hatou is sooooo expensive x.x

Is it very hard to hard find then?

Er, what ship are you on? I'm seeing hatou going for 50k, 85k for level 10.

[UnLucky]

Alright, done.
(No gear / Gear)
lambda kalishizm +10, 901 satk (841 w/o affixes)
1807 / 2097 = 16%
roundeet +0, 225 satk (no satk affixes)
1311 / 1403 = 7%
Odd.
Well, it's definitely not 20% of your combined satk. So that was wrong.

200/901 = 22%
92/225 = 41%
nope

200/841 = 24%
92/225 = 41%
nope (obviously)

Well the only other thing that's different is the grind
200/443 = 45%
92/225 = 41%

Okay I dunno

Google translate says the JP wiki says

Okay I dunno
Maybe it's base stats + weapon stats? The weapon has to come into play, since the roundeet offered a smaller gain than the lambda kali.

Odd.

Well let's see, did you activate the gear separately for each without switching weapons? It shouldn't matter, but I remember it being an issue with something Bellion tested.

Oh, also, the difference for your Lambda is 290, not 200. Still weird, though.

[gigawuts]

Odd.

Well let's see, did you activate the gear separately for each without switching weapons? It shouldn't matter, but I remember it being an issue with something Bellion tested.

Oh, also, the difference for your Lambda is 290, not 200. Still weird, though.

Derp, good catch. I'm not braining fully today.

And yeah, they were activated completely separately.

[UnLucky]

So wait, why is your [total Atk - weapon Atk] lower for the one katana than the other?

1807 - 901 = 906
1311 - 225 = 1,086

Yet the 2nd one has a smaller bonus


Here's my own test:

Base:
448

Roundeet+0:
225

Total (Stat Screen):
718

Total with KG:
852

Difference:
134

Difference/Base = 134/448 = 29.9%

[Celille]

Going back a few pages, what would a pure bow average stance tree look like?

[GALEFORCE]

But still, you can't just look at it like 33% vs 57% and say "Average is pretty close" since you miss out on the normal headshot bonus.

Well, average can still headshot. It's just not penalized as badly when you don't get a headshot. SEGA doesn't seem to be making the Weak lifestyle any easier for bow either..

[Arksenth]

Personally, this is the build I use:

http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...fmxIkjHXIn0000

I only switch to Katana for short bursts (when I need a Just Guard, or for a bit of tidy PP regen with a Lambda Lucario/close range mob pick-off here and there), so I don't have any of the Katana Stuff. Instead, I opted for full points in Rapid Shoot and points in the Rapid Shot Up skills, since I don't mind trying to squeeze a bit of extra damage out of Bow Normals (like I said, they often 1HKO for me, and they're even more useful now that you have the pretty PP efficient Banish Arrow to compound your damage), and since 150 R-ATK for 6 points isn't the worst deal you can get.

HU tree is your standard roflsubclass tree.

[UnLucky]

Well, average can still headshot. It's just not penalized as badly when you don't get a headshot. SEGA doesn't seem to be making the Weak lifestyle any easier for bow either..

True enough, but get in the mindset of "I don't need headshots" and surprise surprise, you won't try for them every shot.