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    Quote Originally Posted by milranduil View Post
    1) the affixes are in the screenshot.
    2) i compared the damage myself with both an atra rod and EPD as i had both when i made crest EPD
    3) my damage calc has never been wrong.
    I think your screenshot is incomplete or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milranduil View Post
    i mean... with a proper affix on both atra just beats EPD. i did the calc, i tested with both, same result. there is no point arguing it lol. here
    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    I think your screenshot is incomplete or something.
    The affixes are implied by the notation. For Atra, "423" means 4% damage s1, 2% damage s2, and 3% damage s3. "120pw" implies the non-SSA affixes are like astral/ether/grace/weak.

    "220pw" for EPD probably implies a 7s affix like astral/ether/mod/sentence triple/tech VI/weak/grace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    I think your screenshot is incomplete or something.
    what? to what end are you even saying this? the affix is incomplete? my damage comparison is incomplete? what's incomplete about this? please just admit you are wrong before you make an even worse fool of yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    I'll be the judge of that, show me the affixes and I'll do math myself.
    Atra can use SSAs while EPD can't, SSAs are enough to not only close the gap but to even surpass EPD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milranduil View Post
    i mean... with a proper affix on both atra just beats EPD. i did the calc, i tested with both, same result. there is no point arguing it lol. here
    Ah, I thought the EPD still had the upper hand. Well, any weapon without access to SSA really is almost worthless now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loveless62 View Post
    The affixes are implied by the notation. For Atra, "423" means 4% damage s1, 2% damage s2, and 3% damage s3. "120pw" implies the non-SSA affixes are like astral/ether/grace/weak.

    "220pw" for EPD probably implies a 7s affix like astral/ether/mod/sentence triple/tech VI/weak/grace.
    Oh I see, I thought part of his picture was missing or something. He could have just typed this, wouldn't have taken more than 2 minutes and I would have spared him his next embarrassing reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by milranduil View Post
    what? to what end are you even saying this? the affix is incomplete? my damage comparison is incomplete? what's incomplete about this? please just admit you are wrong before you make an even worse fool of yourself...
    Hope that made you feel a little foolish and insecure. Anyway, you are correct, your Atra Rod does more output damage than your EDP. That being said, let me know if this scenario would work more to EPD's advantage:

    -If I balance the elemental conversion part, so 45% Vs 30%, that leaves 15%. Minus 10% for Atra Rod's pot leaves 5%, minus 5% for S2 & S3 makes all of this even.

    -Now, you have 4% more for S1, your S4 for EC Balance and 4 slots for T-ATK. The max you can get with 4 slots is 175 T-ATK.

    -Now EPD on the other hand, you have a 155 more T-ATK from grinding it at +35 and you can also get 300 T-ATK with 8 slots.

    -Next let's remove common T-ATK, so 455 minus 175 leaves us 280.

    -Finally, the S1 at 4%, now let's say we take your formula from last month:
    http://www.pso-world.com/forums/show...=1#post3449507
    I think it's safe to say that that remaining 280 T-ATK is worth about 6% of damage, so minus 4%, that leaves more or less an extra 2% of extra damage for EPD, yes no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arada View Post
    Ah, I thought the EPD still had the upper hand. Well, any weapon without access to SSA really is almost worthless now.

    Depends on weapon and class, but yeah, a majority of non-SSA weapons that sega has introduced, and are introducing are DOA because they cant stand up to SSA weapons. I did a few rough estimates and Guren at best due to the raw attack advantage, and ability to reach beyond 200 atk, covers for 2 of the 3 SSA slots that Shien has. Theoretically, the auto shifta helps cover for the rest, but in MPAs that becomes pointless.

    Also, +1 to Atra beating out EPD. It's not rocket science. You can literally just go to damage calc website to find out.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    -If I balance the elemental conversion part, so 45% Vs 30%, that leaves 15%. Minus 10% for Atra Rod's pot leaves 5%, minus 5% for S2 & S3 makes all of this even.
    Y-You dont subtract %s like this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Oh I see, I thought part of his picture was missing or something. He could have just typed this, wouldn't have taken more than 2 minutes and I would have spared him his next embarrassing reply.



    Hope that made you feel a little foolish and insecure. Anyway, you are correct, your Atra Rod does more output damage than your EDP. That being said, let me know if this scenario would work more to EPD's advantage:

    -If I balance the elemental conversion part, so 45% Vs 30%, that leaves 15%. Minus 10% for Atra Rod's pot leaves 5%, minus 5% for S2 & S3 makes all of this even.

    -Now, you have 4% more for S1, your S4 for EC Balance and 4 slots for T-ATK. The max you can get with 4 slots is 175 T-ATK.

    -Now EPD on the other hand, you have a 155 more T-ATK from grinding it at +35 and you can also get 300 T-ATK with 8 slots.

    -Next let's remove common T-ATK, so 455 minus 175 leaves us 280.

    -Finally, the S1 at 4%, now let's say we take your formula from last month:
    http://www.pso-world.com/forums/show...=1#post3449507
    I think it's safe to say that that remaining 280 T-ATK is worth about 6% of damage, so minus 4%, that leaves more or less an extra 2% of extra damage for EPD, yes no?
    and you were doing so well (not)
    so 45% Vs 30%, that leaves 15%
    that's not how you compare multipliers. EPD boosting to 45% is not 15% more damage than atra's 30, it's relative so 1.45/1.3 = 1.11538 or 11.538%, not 15%.

    and for the record, no it did not make me feel foolish or insecure. i've been comparing damage of a plethora of weapons for months if not years by now and i've worked out my own damage calc using the formula the swiki has on my own spreadsheet. this isn't conjecture on my behalf, it's facts. while you eyeball and guess your damage comparison, i actually have exact numbers already in the first place which is what i posted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Oh I see, I thought part of his picture was missing or something. He could have just typed this, wouldn't have taken more than 2 minutes and I would have spared him his next embarrassing reply.



    Hope that made you feel a little foolish and insecure. Anyway, you are correct, your Atra Rod does more output damage than your EDP. That being said, let me know if this scenario would work more to EPD's advantage:

    -If I balance the elemental conversion part, so 45% Vs 30%, that leaves 15%. Minus 10% for Atra Rod's pot leaves 5%, minus 5% for S2 & S3 makes all of this even.

    -Now, you have 4% more for S1, your S4 for EC Balance and 4 slots for T-ATK. The max you can get with 4 slots is 175 T-ATK.

    -Now EPD on the other hand, you have a 155 more T-ATK from grinding it at +35 and you can also get 300 T-ATK with 8 slots.

    -Next let's remove common T-ATK, so 455 minus 175 leaves us 280.

    -Finally, the S1 at 4%, now let's say we take your formula from last month:
    http://www.pso-world.com/forums/show...=1#post3449507
    I think it's safe to say that that remaining 280 T-ATK is worth about 6% of damage, so minus 4%, that leaves more or less an extra 2% of extra damage for EPD, yes no?
    Don't forget that almost every multiplier in this game is multiplicative that includes Weapon multipliers as well as SAF. Fury stance for example looks like 140% by itself but in reality it's more like 145% and the more multipliers you throw on the pile the more they add up.

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    Semi-complicated question because i'm not sure if anyone took the time to do it.

    For any of the extreme quests, What stages yield the most Meseta drops? So far i concluded the second to last stage with king varda in the Tundra quests yielded me between 30-50k+ a run, which only took a couple minutes.

    I just wanna know if anyone actually found a better grind!

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