What does it take to make PSO2 PVP able?

[MimiChan]

They could just make a whole pvp only ship that everyone on any ship can enter and only in those ship all hits are server sided? I mean if Sega is kind enough to give pvp it's own dedicated server that is.

[x1on3x]

tbh i found PSO1 pvp pretty funny, right when you leave the portal into the Forest area theres some Force spamming ice skills right on the portal and your character gets frozen and then dies :P

[XrosBlader821]

Yeah while FO is charging a technique meanwhile Br swoops in with shunka oneshotting Fo and Gu simply takes off by style dodging into oblivion. Ra lands one weak bullet oneshotting everything. Nah this game is too outbalanced for PVP. It would take fixed values like Edson Drake said and perhaps these Mechs from TD3 to really bring balanced PVP.

[Yden]

Obviously the great equalizer will be giant robots for everyone.

[strikerhunter]

Only go to make some points to the OP.

PvP is possible, but knowing Sega it will be problematic.

Spoiler!

PVP is a content that don't require as much update, aside from the occasional buff/nerf and prolongs the game a bit.

It takes more than you think, you'll also have to plan what you will do with it in the future. This also involves with fixing bugs, glitches that may occur, class updates, and balancing along with patching triple/quad dashing dashing because players will be using that for gap closure.

Then there comes the weapons that drops FPS........

So there has to be a lot things that must be fixed first before PvP can even come in clean.

But how do you make it possible on PSO2?

Problem:
Let's start with HP, when 1k HP is considered high and you can deal, on record, 6m damage, the player HP to damage ratio is just too high and if we are to enable PVP with the current stats, everyone will just one shot each other.
Possible Solution: Scale the damage down and putting some kind of damage cap.

How is this instead: Turn damage dealt by player into percent %. Basically your damage is percentage based on the enemy's HP with the Percent calculating from your weapons and gears and outcome damage based on target's HP. Resistances and buffs will also be added to the already complicated math :P

Second is skill spammability, with PP the only thing that stopping you from spamming skills in fast succession, you can just lock enemy by using grabbing PA over and over again.
Possible Solution: Putting cooldown on skills.

-Cooldowns on PAs are not possible (most likely because of coding).
-Default PP to 100 in PvP.
-Slow down the PP recovery rate. To create more competitive play, add special objects or something on the field that gives players/teams a PP recovery boost.
-With what was already said above about damage, PAs themselves won't really need much change with the exception of a few PAs like MT's invisibility frames, etc.

Flinching every hit also can lock you with repeated normal attacks.
Possible Solution: Super Armor on some skills, and a counter move (pvp only)

-Having Super Armor on some skills/PAs will only promote spamming those skills.
-Just add a flinch immunity after the initial flinch.
-Also, just because juggling is a thing, give immunity to being hit again once you get in the air while being spun out.

The unfairness of auto lock on skills (rafoie for instance)
Possible Solution: No auto lock? Only first person mode?

Then this will make it unfair for all Ranged classes, especially Gunner and the fast pace Fighter.
-No lock-on but leave the reticule is all that can be really done.

Healing (via Resta or Potential)
Possible Solution: XQ like healing limitation.

-Now this is a Fo and Te issue only, they will need it since they will have the lowest HP. Applying what I said on damage above, they will not get 1 shot but will go down easily once someone begins to pound on them. This will also create a more competitive and cooperative environment with the following as written below.
For healing purpose:
-Hu and Fi can have something like Automated Deadline but with a 20sec CD and having a max PP reduction cost instead of a monomate cost.
-Ra will be the only class able to use Monmate (5 only) With this being said, all classes except RA will be restricted from using any healing items except from healing structures.
-Gu will have no recovery power due to having the most invincibility frames of all the classes besides Br with CE.
-Br's only recovery means is to do JA Recovery.
-Fo and Te are the only ones that can heal, meaning other classes will need their support.

With damage being based on % as I said above in the post, healing will be based on % as well but for PvP purpose the values of each healing will alternate so that resta cannot heal a player to 100% or 5 monomate for 100% heal, etc. while others like JA recovery on Br will get a higher boost because of the gated restriction to able to heal.

They could just make a whole pvp only ship that everyone on any ship can enter and only in those ship all hits are server sided? I mean if Sega is kind enough to give pvp it's own dedicated server that is.

And if PvP does get popular.........that ship will likely be full thus not allowing others to enter and create lag due to it being full with all the actions going on.

Edit: In the end, for PvP to be implanted into PSO2 there must be a whole lot of shit that needs to fixed and/or changed.

[MimiChan]

I don't know why would cooldown not be possible with anything, they could just add a special clause enabling it on pvp only ship. Making a separate ship/server will let Sega do some absurd adjustment without affecting the regular ship.

Dodging/Guarding/Countering can be countered by putting PP cost on them making the whole pvp dependent on how well you can manage your PP pool. Do you use PA/Tech? Do you dodge? Is doing normal attack to regain PP worth the risk?

Cooldown and Limited PP lets you make this crucial decision and just prevents everyone from just spamming.

[strikerhunter]

I don't know why would cooldown not be possible with anything, they could just add a special clause enabling it on pvp only ship.

It means that they have to rework and recode the PA system. If PAs where like class skills then it would be understandable and easily done but they're not. I understand that you want variety (I would love that) but the PA system has an entirely different code from class skills that have CDs.

Dodging/Guarding/Countering can be countered by putting PP cost on them making the whole pvp dependent on how well you can manage your PP pool. Do you use PA/Tech? Do you dodge? Is doing normal attack to regain PP worth the risk?

That would depend on the PP cost. Something like 30 PP is outrageous but something like 20 seems highly reasonable.
-I was only adding the lowering PP recovery part and objects increasing PP recovery just to increase competitive means.

Cooldown and Limited PP lets you make this crucial decision and just prevents everyone from just spamming.

-Yes and yes, I agree onto here but as already said above about cooldown. It would involve with recoding the PAs' coding.

[LordKaiser]

I think that SEGA was testing the waters with this when they added the Emergency Code Clone.

[Shadowth117]

I think that SEGA was testing the waters with this when they added the Emergency Code Clone.

You wouldn't just be thinking that then. They actually did say it was related to testing for a PVP mechanic.

[MimiChan]

Maybe the close we can get into having a PVP is having a Colosseum tournament type that you can only enter your character partner as a player and they will duke it out clone vs clone style and you just watch on the sidelines. Should be fun haha.