Bouncer Class Discussion

[Tunga]

Distraction still misses most time at point blank, so it doesn't have good dps in many situations. And really, without the point of getting more pp by attacking the spot where your non pbf blades are stuck, just hitting a target with non pbf blades gives only a tiny amount of pp.
Dunno how you play but compared Queen Viera that kind of pp recovery is nothing.
Other weapons like Katana or Sword can recovery pp so well on their own that it' not really necessary to switch to Queen Viera to recover pp but on dbs you gotta do that or you will have to use plenty normals and your dps drops.

You're suppose to use blades under deband, actually youre suppose to keep it up at all times.

[milranduil]

Distraction still misses most time at point blank, so it doesn't have good dps in many situations. And really, without the point of getting more pp by attacking the spot where your non pbf blades are stuck, just hitting a target with non pbf blades gives only a tiny amount of pp.
Dunno how you play but compared Queen Viera that kind of pp recovery is nothing.
Other weapons like Katana or Sword can recovery pp so well on their own that it' not really necessary to switch to Queen Viera to recover pp but on dbs you gotta do that or you will have to use plenty normals and your dps drops.

idk wtf you're doing, but bo does NOT need queen vera

[Zephyrion]

Distraction still misses most time at point blank, so it doesn't have good dps in many situations. And really, without the point of getting more pp by attacking the spot where your non pbf blades are stuck, just hitting a target with non pbf blades gives only a tiny amount of pp.
Dunno how you play but compared Queen Viera that kind of pp recovery is nothing.
Other weapons like Katana or Sword can recovery pp so well on their own that it' not really necessary to switch to Queen Viera to recover pp but on dbs you gotta do that or you will have to use plenty normals and your dps drops.

I mean no ? Dual Blades 3rd attack already recovers 10 +10PP, add deband PP restorate and it goes to 15+15, 18 +18 if you go with element PP restorate it's already 36PP, 4 less than a perfect PP crafted Kestrel, and attacking a part with blades on it actually put that PP recovery well above Kestrel cost. Normals with DB do a fair amount of damage too, compared to Queen Viera.

Distraction + Blades combo in PBF has trickier movement than one would think, especially with moving targets. If you do use your directional inputs with blade throw correctly, you should always be at a good distance to go into Distraction. You can also use a normal when Distraction hits at a weird angle to let your character face the enemy again; that way you'll be sure none of your blade will miss and you'll be at a better angle to use Distraction afterwards.
Outside of PBF, Distraction is only good as a gap-closer, so once you're close....well use other PAs (Kite for Gear, Dove for vertical movement if needed, Kestrel for damage when full gear are the principal ones afaik)

[todoexelent]

So, what do I need for my Shien to do more damage than the atra

Atra pot = 10% damage + 3% SSA.
Shien por = 18% + 7% SSA

[XrosBlader821]

that atra affix makes my heart bleed

[GHNeko]

So, what do I need for my Shien to do more damage than the atra

Atra pot = 10% damage + 3% SSA.
Shien por = 18% + 7% SSA

Shien already does more damage assuming equal affixes.

Also your Atra is missing phrase weak....and S2/S3 Damage SSA

[todoexelent]

I am afraid to put more SSA in the atra and lower the ATK, shien for example should have more damage, but it is not what is happening, so I came to the forum, to try to understand

[Anduril]

I am afraid to put more SSA in the atra and lower the ATK, shien for example should have more damage, but it is not what is happening, so I came to the forum, to try to understand

*disclaimer: the following is all assuming I put things into the damage calculator correctly*

Based on what you have, if you had 100% Crit Rate and you are properly matching element, then your Shien should be slightly out-damaging your Atra, but only within ~2%; if you aren't getting a 100% Crit Rate, it's possible that you are just seeing the Atra hit harder because you just happen to get more Crits while using it.

Now, technically speaking, by adding Phrase Weak and damage based S2 and S3s (even if it is just 2% and 3%), you will actually see a further increase in your Atra's damage even if you lower the T-ATK affixes down to just +85 T-ATK (roughly a 4% max damage increase).

The interesting thing that I am seeing is that assuming you keep the same SSAs on the Shien and raise the Affix to 100 T-ATK, and get your Atra to how I mentioned above, with a 100% Crit Rate, their damage should be more or less equal because of the S1: Skilled Strike on the Atra, though without a 100% Crit rate, the Shien would have a higher damage average.

[ArcaneTechs]

I am afraid to put more SSA in the atra and lower the ATK, shien for example should have more damage, but it is not what is happening, so I came to the forum, to try to understand

Just so you know, a percent SSA's are better than adding base stat increases. Dont be afraid

[AVO]

I am afraid to put more SSA in the atra and lower the ATK, shien for example should have more damage, but it is not what is happening, so I came to the forum, to try to understand

Your Shien is Ice element instead of the usual light ele. Did you forget to match element to double and pd?

And i THINK shien pot dose not do well with pd bits and definitely dose not work when you are against persona.

Anyway, rest assured if you are matching element to the enemy your 5 affix shien shits on atra +200.