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    Estimates are estimates. It's absurdly challenging to accurately represent each PA using such a rating system. In any case:
    •I've had the final hit of Slash Rave do 450k on Dark Vibrace. I've never seen anyone pull off a 100k+ with a single shot with Addition Bullet, hence the rating. Show me otherwise and I'll gladly change it.
    •Serpent Air is the single best single-target DPS Gunslash has to offer. It hits twice as many times as Rage Dance in the same amount of time, and in my experience, each hit of SA does only slightly less that RD. You're right about the speed though, I forgot that they removed the delay between the striking and shooting portions of RD.
    •I legitimately made a mistake on the Thrillsplosion multi-target damage. I didn't intend to make that a 3.
    •Did they buff the melee portion of Addition Bullet? Last I checked that was total shit.
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    Some parts make me curious but I'm waiting a bit to see the explanations myself.

    For any /Bo build though, wouldn't crafted racist weapons like Sarhaling, Ex Lieser etc be an option since you need a rainbow set anyway?

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    Well, yes, but that's pretty much true for all weapon types and builds(minus the crafted part). It's pretty difficult to beat that +20% damage. After I finish the PA section I'll get more into build specifics and gunslash choices.
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    ST = single-target. Addition Bullet is strong enough to be used in 1v1 situations where it will hit the weak spot more easily than other ranger weapons.

    I only use Slash Rave on melee classes, so there's no way the final hit could do so much on a melee class, but 450,000, even on that very weak spot with WB... that sounds like too much, even if you managed to trigger Standing Snipe and you were RA/BR.
    Regardless, Slash Rave should not be advised as a mainstay ranger PA.

    I'm really not sure Serpent Air beats Rage Dance, let alone Slash Rave. The PA is slower than it seems (reiteration time) and it takes you in the air (not necessarily a bad thing, but usually a disadvantage).
    I'm gonna have to test Serpent Air again, really, but when Ep3 came out, I tried all melee PAs for gunblades and the best two were Slash Rave and Rage Dance.

    Lv71/75 BO/FI, no shifta drink or anything. Gunblade has 871 S-ATK, 890 R-ATK, Steadfast Reaper Lv3, never triggered. TAJAB was never triggered, either. Brave Stance active, but not Elemental Stance. Target is Lv65 Gilnach (:3).
    Serpent Air: 1800 x 5 + 2200 = 11,200
    Rage Dance: 1300 x 5 + 2500 = 9,000
    Slash Rave: 2500 x 5 + 6800 = 19,300
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    Anyways - I never claimed to be the foremost expert in Gunslashes. I welcome input, I welcome suggestions, I welcome corrections. Gunslash users are very rare despite the fact that it's very good these days, and I'm sure a guide on using them effectively would help inspire more people to try them out.

    In fact, you seen very knowledgable on the subject, Hrith. Why not help me compose the guide?
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    I started using them as serious melee weapons with the release of Ep3, but it did not last that long. All other melee weapon types will outperform them in any situation, it's a bit sad, especially considering how powerful Addition Bullet is as a shooting attack.

    I have made sure all my gunblades were usable whether I'm a melee or ranged class, so I do use them as hunter, bouncer or braver, but ever so rarely.

    I have immense hopes for the eleventh PA, SEGA had better not disappoint.

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    Sega, I would accept Banish Arrow/Vol Graptor for an eleventh Gunslash PA.
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    That would boost the 1v1 DPS of gunblades quite a bit, but I would rather have a melee or melee-friendly PA that is good at dealing with multiple targets at least as well as Addition Bullet is.

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    Here's an idea for a good mobbing melee PA: Step back -> Begin spinning around and slashing in a circular motion, move around the point you began the PA at in a circle while continuing to spin and slash. creating a suction effect that draws enemies in, then after a complete circle, finish up with a powerful upwards stab to the center of the circle where enemies have been drawn.
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    Gunslash PA damage listing (source)

    Tri-Impact: 25% * 2, 50% (1106 power, 100% S)

    Rage Dance: 13% * 5 (S), 35% (R) (1191 power, 65% S + 35% R, or 774.15 + 416.85)

    Ein Raketen: 50% (S), 50% (R) (1219 power, 50% S + 50% R, or 609.5 + 609.5)

    Serpent Air: 16% * 5, 20% (1210 power, 100% S)

    Aiming Shot: 100% (30% uncharged) (813 power, 100% R)

    Thrillsplosion: 20% * 6 (859 power, 120% R, or 1030.8 )

    Slash Rave: 9% * 5 (S), 46% (R) (2870 power, 54% S + 46% R, or 1549.8 + 1320.2)

    Addition Bullet: 25% (S), 25% * 3 (R) (712 power, 25% S + 75% R, or 178 + 534)

    Kreisenchlag: 8% * 3 (S), 12% * 2 (R) (2408 power, 24% S + 24% R, or 577.92 + 577.82)

    Regenschlag: 20%, 35% (S), 15% * 3 (R) (1404 power, 55% S + 45% R, or 772.2 + 631.8 )

    Striking damage:

    Slash Rave: 1549.8
    Serpent Air: 1210
    Tri-Impact: 1106
    Rage Dance: 774.15
    Regenschlag: 772.2
    Ein Raketen: 609.5
    Kreisenchlag: 577.92
    Addition Bullet: 178

    Ranged damage:

    Slash Rave: 1320.2
    Thrillsplosion: 1030.8
    Aiming Shot: 813
    Regenschlag: 631.8
    Ein Raketen: 609.5
    Kreisenchlag: 577.82
    Addition Bullet: 534
    Rage Dance: 416.85

    Total damage:

    Slash Rave: 2870
    Regenschlag: 1404
    Ein Raketen: 1219
    Serpent Air: 1210
    Rage Dance: 1191
    Kreisenchlag: 1155.84
    Tri-Impact: 1106
    Thrillsplosion: 1030.8
    Aiming Shot: 813
    Addition Bullet: 712

    For comparison, normals (source)

    Melee: 104/96/90
    Range: 60/60/60
    Step Attack: 77

    Quote Originally Posted by Hrith View Post
    ST = single-target. Addition Bullet is strong enough to be used in 1v1 situations where it will hit the weak spot more easily than other ranger weapons.
    And almost every other GS PA would be better to use. Addition Bullet is the weakest GS PA. Pretty much only thing right to call Mae out on was the error on Thrillsplosion. Everything else was accurate.
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