Summoner Class Discussion

[Spellbinder]

so the 14* parfaits feel wonky to me and idk if its just me but older or rather "super" parfaits already out seem to do better. what do you guys think?

The only one that seems even mildly interesting is the 絶品げきからパフェ (I don't know what its called in english) that reduces PP cost while also increasing damage dealt and taken. Now that I finally have a nemesis tact (yay trade-ins!), I'm considering using it with my wanda.

[Weaponslash]

Is there a chart or something of the alternate pet colors available on 14* eggs, or is it fully randomized somehow?

Yeah i know the quality is crude but it gives you an idea

[XrosBlader821]

Yooo Remember how people joked how Synchro looks like Lucario. Now he even matches Colors xD

[Zorak000]

where would yall say Redran S would fit on this
https://i.imgur.com/M6Px2W8.jpg

[milranduil]

UD recently posted a brief summoner guide, so I thought I'd translate it since I found it pretty useful given I hadn't played su the last year until this week. I can't translate all of it, but for now I'll do the recommended personalities/parfaits/rolls. I don't know hardly any of the EN names for this stuff, so I will just post the JP and describe it so you still know what it is. I'll edit this post as I get more translated with help from others.

EDIT: adding introduction, ty bellion for working on the translation

Introduction

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Let's start with going over Summoner! We'll begin by going over the class composition. Fortunately, it is agreed upon that Su/Fi is the main and sub of choice
so there shouldn't be any confusion. As this is the introduction of pets, I will not be talking about the skilltree here so do as you would like!
(Dear Master and Sympathy skills, Point Assist + Support Fire, and Switch Strike should all be taken!)

Equipment should be heavily focused on striking-attack + pp, with some technique-attack as an extra. This equipment is also sufficient for Hero use!

1. How to raise pets
First of all, use(register) your egg! Here I'll write an efficient method to raise them. The level and 'plus values' impact the status of your pets.

-Leveling up
For leveling purposes, give only 12* exp eggs that can be obtained from the pet goods shop by exchanging photon spheres! 7* eggs and such will not efficiently fill up your pets!
When your pet is full, you can forcibly feed them more by paying 10 Stargems!(It will cost 10 SG for the first 3 times each day, and that count will reset at 5 AM JST daily)
Furthermore, using SG significantly increases the amount of exp each egg fills your pet!

-'Plus Values'
For increasing these 'plus values', register a bunch of trash eggs. Fodder 1, fodder 2, etc. Feed these fodders with other trash eggs that you find in quests.
After feeding your fodder pets to accumulate enough 'plus values' between all of them:
Go to the pet shop -> return pets to egg -> return the fodder into eggs which will retain all of their 'plus values' -> feed them to your desired pet!

Extra: What!? You want to max them immediately!? Okay, buy trash eggs at a visiphone, register them -> feed them -> return 1 fodder to an egg -> feed it to another fodder ->
repeat as needed. This allows you to accumulate 'plus values' without having to wait to be able to feed your pets.

TL notes: These 'plus values' are the following stats you should see on a pet egg in this order; HP, striking-attack, ranged-attack, technique-attack, and DEX.
Each pet type has a different cap on their ' plus values'. Let's say your desired pet only needs 90 more s-atk to cap their 'plus value', and fodder 1 has 50 s-atk and fodder 2 has 40 s-atk
on their 'plus value'. Feeding both of these fodders to your desired pet will cap it. It is a 1:1 conversion for 'plus values' so no need to overfeed.

Melon:

Spoiler!

Personality 逆境 - +17% damage when pet is below 25%HP

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost; 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Roll 1: へんかんロール - +4% of pet's defense values towards attack (e.g. 120s-def → +4.8s-atk)

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10% [can be stacked]

Maron:

Spoiler!

Personality 逆境 - +17% damage when pet is below 25%HP (works with strike)

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses; 超がむしゃらパフェ - +12% damage, +25% PP cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; しっかりロール - -10% death cooldown

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown) [cannot be stacked]; しっかりロール - -10% death cooldown [can be stacked]

Synchro:

Spoiler!

Personality なかま思い - +12% damage when used after a different pet dies

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses; 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost [can be stacked]

Recommended Roll 2: Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Wanda:

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Personality 晴れ好き - +12% damage when sunny (no weather)

Recommended Parfait 1: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Parfait 2: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%); 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost; みまもりパフェ - up to +9% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~7% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Roll 1: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Jinga:

Spoiler!

Personality 晴れ好き - +12% damage when sunny (no weather)

Recommended Parfait 1: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Parfait 2: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%); 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost; みまもりパフェ - up to +9% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~7% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)

Cerry:

Spoiler!

Personality てきぱき - +30% pp recovery on-hit

Recommended Parfait 1: 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost

Recommended Parfait 2: ぜいたくパフェ - +20% natural pp recovery, +10% pp recovery on-hit, -5% pp cost; はりきりパフェ - +40% normal attack damage

Recommended Roll 1: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Popple:

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Personality てきぱき - +30% pp recovery on-hit

Recommended Parfait 1: きあいパフェ - +8% damage when pet is within 1 mirage escape of player (+4% damage between 1 and 2 mirage escape, 0% otherwise)

Recommended Parfait 2: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%); 超たっぷりパフェ - +8% damage when pet is above 60%HP; はりきりパフェ - +40% normal attack damage; 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)

Torim:

Spoiler!

Personality がんばりや - +15% damage, +30% pp cost

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses

Recommended Roll 1: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Aero:

Spoiler!

Personality がんばりや - +15% damage, +30% pp cost

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses

Recommended Roll 1: みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost; つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses

Recommended Roll 2: みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost; ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)

Viola:

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Personality 目立ちたがり - increased hate and -10% damage taken

Recommended Parfait 1: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Parfait 2: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses; ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%)

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Redran:

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Personality あばれんぼう - +2% damage per kill (up to 50%)

Recommended Parfait 1: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%)

Recommended Parfait 2: きあいパフェ - +8% damage when pet is within 1 mirage escape of player (+4% damage between 1 and 2 mirage escape, 0% otherwise); 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Rappy:

Spoiler!

Personality 超はやおき - -33% dead pet cooldown

Recommended Parfait 1: はりきりパフェ - +40% normal attack damage

Recommended Parfait 2: 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost; 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

[ArcaneTechs]

woo an updated Candy Box guide, glad mine aren't all that different from some of these. definitely going to make some minor adjustants. Thanks Mil and ありUD！

whats an optimal way of leveling pets? i cant think of any that doesnt involve using SG's

[Zephyrion]

woo an updated Candy Box guide, glad mine aren't all that different from some of these. definitely going to make some minor adjustants. Thanks Mil and ありUD！

whats an optimal way of leveling pets? i cant think of any that doesnt involve using SG's

yeah aside from using SG there is no real way to "power level" pets. Also always remember feed for extra stats (at least max HP + relevant ATK) > feed for EXP

[milranduil]

woo an updated Candy Box guide, glad mine aren't all that different from some of these. definitely going to make some minor adjustants. Thanks Mil and ありUD！

whats an optimal way of leveling pets? i cant think of any that doesnt involve using SG's

it's included with UD's guide, but still working on getting the finished translation. bellion is helping me out with most of it. for leveling, you can buy 12* exp eggs for 1 photon sphere in the pet shop. i leveled 6 marons from 120 to 130 in a couple days doing this easily. it's roughly 7 spheres or so for a full level, much better than junk eggs from playing/player shop.

[Masu]

UD recently posted a brief summoner guide, so I thought I'd translate it since I found it pretty useful given I hadn't played su the last year until this week. I can't translate all of it, but for now I'll do the recommended personalities/parfaits/rolls. I don't know hardly any of the EN names for this stuff, so I will just post the JP and describe it so you still know what it is. I'll edit this post as I get more translated with help from others.

Spoiler!

Melon:

Spoiler!

Personality 逆境 - +17% damage when pet is below 25%HP

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost; 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Roll 1: へんかんロール - +4% of pet's defense values towards attack (e.g. 120s-def → +4.8s-atk)

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10% [can be stacked]

Maron:

Spoiler!

Personality 逆境 - +17% damage when pet is below 25%HP (works with strike)

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses; 超がむしゃらパフェ - +12% damage, +25% PP cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; しっかりロール - -10% death cooldown

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown) [cannot be stacked]; しっかりロール - -10% death cooldown [can be stacked]

Synchro:

Spoiler!

Personality なかま思い - +12% damage when used after a different pet dies

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses; 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost [can be stacked]

Recommended Roll 2: Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Wanda:

Spoiler!

Personality 晴れ好き - +12% damage when sunny (no weather)

Recommended Parfait 1: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Parfait 2: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%); 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost; みまもりパフェ - up to +9% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~7% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Roll 1: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Jinga:

Spoiler!

Personality 晴れ好き - +12% damage when sunny (no weather)

Recommended Parfait 1: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Parfait 2: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%); 絶品げきからパフェ - +9% damage, +5% damage taken, -10% PP cost; みまもりパフェ - up to +9% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~7% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)

Cerry:

Spoiler!

Personality てきぱき - +30% pp recovery on-hit

Recommended Parfait 1: 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost

Recommended Parfait 2: ぜいたくパフェ - +20% natural pp recovery, +10% pp recovery on-hit, -5% pp cost; はりきりパフェ - +40% normal attack damage

Recommended Roll 1: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Popple:

Spoiler!

Personality てきぱき - +30% pp recovery on-hit

Recommended Parfait 1: きあいパフェ - +8% damage when pet is within 1 mirage escape of player (+4% damage between 1 and 2 mirage escape, 0% otherwise)

Recommended Parfait 2: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%); 超たっぷりパフェ - +8% damage when pet is above 60%HP; はりきりパフェ - +40% normal attack damage; 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)

Torim:

Spoiler!

Personality がんばりや - +15% damage, +30% pp cost

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses

Recommended Roll 1: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 2: おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Aero:

Spoiler!

Personality がんばりや - +15% damage, +30% pp cost

Recommended Parfait 1: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Parfait 2: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); メガトンパフェ - +9% damage against bosses

Recommended Roll 1: みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost; つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses

Recommended Roll 2: みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost; ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)

Viola:

Spoiler!

Personality 目立ちたがり - increased hate and -10% damage taken

Recommended Parfait 1: 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape)

Recommended Parfait 2: 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses; ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%)

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Redran:

Spoiler!

Personality あばれんぼう - +2% damage per kill (up to 50%)

Recommended Parfait 1: ぐんぐんパフェ - +4% damage per kill (up to 20%)

Recommended Parfait 2: きあいパフェ - +8% damage when pet is within 1 mirage escape of player (+4% damage between 1 and 2 mirage escape, 0% otherwise); 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); みがわりロール - during alter ego pet PA and techs -10% PP cost

Rappy:

Spoiler!

Personality 超はやおき - -33% dead pet cooldown

Recommended Parfait 1: はりきりパフェ - +40% normal attack damage

Recommended Parfait 2: 超ぜいたくパフェ - +25% natural pp recovery, +15% pp recovery on-hit, -10% pp cost; 超みまもりパフェ - up to +11% damage when at least 1 mirage escape between pet and player (~9% damage if 1/2 mirage escape); 超メガトンパフェ - +12% damage against bosses

Recommended Roll 1: つよがりロール - -20% damage taken from bosses; おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Recommended Roll 2: ふんばりロール - when pet HP drops below half, pet takes 70% reduced damage for 10 seconds (30 seconds cooldown); おうえんロール - during pet sympathy, shifta gives an additional 1% attack, pet defense stat +20%, crit rate +10%

Thanks! Too bad some stuff is actually out of grasp (aka redran parfait) and I totaly missed them when they were available :/

[milranduil]

Thanks! Too bad some stuff is actually out of grasp (aka redran parfait) and I totaly missed them when they were available :/

same, i was relatively inactive during choco '18, and wasn't playing su at the time anyway.