Izane / Zeinesis Units are for survivability.Originally Posted by NightlightPro
Izane / Zeinesis Units are for survivability.
No is necessary Su/Hu to survive (and loss tons of dmg) :/, I play with Su/Fi and no die.
Only as much as Hu/Fo is for hybrid melee teching.
aight, btw any candy box setup for each pet?
mainly full dps/crit
because it is a meme class, its a bad combo, its not top by any means and basically low tier laughable class combo that people feel they need to run for w/e reason.
i had a hard time reading this since your so prevelant in niche (for better terms) class combo's
Yees, you were the one to start the last argument about "meme". Please, continue.
because i dont play shitty classes seriously.
literally every off-meta/niche class i play has a high enough of a skill ceiling and produces acceptable end-game results before player skill becomes a factor.
people who take really dumb classes to EQs and UQs tend to be the ones that are playing those types of classes seriously and generally make me want to BL them.
i dont beacuse im not a massive dick
Last edited by GHNeko; Jan 17, 2018 at 02:20 AM.
literally visit other MMO or any other games with builds and you see ppl calling bad builds "meme Class, Weapon, etc", doesnt matter if the word is used wrong and it triggers you bud.
aahhhh youre breaking new ground!! mind blower for mebecause i dont play shitty classes seriously.
literally every off-meta/niche class i play has a high enough of a skill ceiling and produces acceptable end-game results before player skill becomes a factor.
people who take really dumb classes to EQs and UQs tend to be the ones that are playing those types of classes seriously and generally make me want to BL them.
i dont beacuse im not a massive dick
OK if we're talking about HU/SU
First off it's better to put that on HU channel since it's more relevant there
Also HU/SU is completely viable nowadays, it's even situationally the best combo out there
SU Mults on a Point Assist target as a Sub are 1.76 with matching weapon ele along with 200 ATK bonus and access to techs
FI Mults are 1.81 with Brave + TAJA, along with 200 ATK (possibly + 200 from PP Slayer if you ditched Wise stance altogether but no access to techs)
In other words, with the recent buff to SU skills, SU in general can be an interesting sub, because of the ability to use support techs (god knows HU would like to use Shifta without losing Sac Byte 0 and possibly Nemesis/Gix pot because of weapon switch, and the fact it doesn't rely on cycling PAs or positional stances is a great help, most notably for PAs like Ignition Parry.
So yeah, while mobbing with SU sub is kinda bad because you lose a considerable amount of damage with Point Assist loss, It's definitely a sub to consider for raid bossing, since targetting is easier, techs give you more versatility, and nearly unconditional multipliers help a lot in drawn out fights.
Yeah I already wrote in the Techer Thread that Su is a fun subclass to consider since it gives Hu-like multipliers now for Wand bonks as well as techs (and a slightly better multiplier for Form Scythe too if you wanna look at it that way). Mobbing kinda sucks yeah but at the same time Gigrants Type-0 isn't complete garbage so there is that. The downside here is just that you're gonna lose massive hunter if you go for the Attack advance ring. But anyway back to the topic.
Like, Su/hu is literal garbage. Neither Fury nor Guard stance improve pet damage or survivability, Summoners Mainclass abilities are Pet only. The only benefit of going Su/Hu is racking up those sweet S-ATK Ups which boost your damage maybe by 5% but you do that as Su/Fi as well with the difference that the stances actually boost your damage.
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