So...you can be banned for leeching..?

[Zysets]

People actually use those?

[Dammy]

Well... this is a new one for me. I'm use to seeing lucky rise units or unaffixed/ungrinded units, never came across this one before. Or I just don't look enough.

I just looked in this case because I look at every player I see from my first PSO2 guild. I spent 1 year there and left because the insanity was just too much.

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that weapon is great too

[ohmy]

So the jist of this thread is that ... max grind and potential?

TBH I have no idea how this is a related to what I posted.

^Wow. That's actually a good idea, and would be good if implemented on the restricted block, alongside lv75/75 main and sub. Of course 13* requirement seems harsh, so it can be just 10* above weapons with grind level +10 (or +30 if NT).

Chaos? Idk. If people wanna improve, they SHOULD know all of this already. Even if they didn't, they will seek the ways.

It is a sad situation when I see people using not +10 stuff on SH above (at least +20 if NT), the difficulty when people actually need to contribute something to MPA, the least you can do is to avoid being a burden to others.

Agreed. But rather, you can check damage easily and with red weapons being around 13* and far stronger than 10* all Sega would have to do for the check is run their damage formula once again any enemy of that difficulty.

I love crafted weapons, but if I see Red Weapons outside of specific builds... I consider that to be idiotic today.

Except it was really not that long ago that red weapons got their potential and it's by no means weird to see someone still use one and infact red beats those new allclass 13* when off element (happens often enough).

[Pyrei]

Well... this is a new one for me. I'm use to seeing lucky rise units or unaffixed/ungrinded units, never came across this one before. Or I just don't look enough.

I just looked in this case because I look at every player I see from my first PSO2 guild. I spent 1 year there and left because the insanity was just too much.

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that guy might have just came on from playing pso2es, I think those units buff your dmg in pso2es

[Keilyn]

TBH I have no idea how this is a related to what I posted.


Agreed. But rather, you can check damage easily and with red weapons being around 13* and far stronger than 10* all Sega would have to do for the check is run their damage formula once again any enemy of that difficulty.


Except it was really not that long ago that red weapons got their potential and it's by no means weird to see someone still use one and infact red beats those new allclass 13* when off element (happens often enough).

An Answer is a response to a math problem. Ex. 2+2 = 4.
A Solution is the entire working problem with the answer applied to it. Ex. 2 excubes + 2 excubes = 4 excubes. Do we have enough for a 250 RDR? The answer is no.

I played for 2 years as a wand-wacking Fi/Te to fill the role of a mob-slaying, front-line support to help Boss-Slaying characters focus their PP on the bosses they wish to kill. I crafted TONS of weapons over to fighter and used them. Three things I learned from Fi/Te while soloing:

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1) I know and can feel when enemies have more Dex than I do, as I wand wacked using crafted 11* wands and notice the variance.
2) I learned how to dodge and guard against almost every major boss attack in the game as I fought prolonged battles with bosses solo.
3) I knew when others in the MPA were reaching their limits and their burst period was over... knowing that when their PP runs out, mine better be up to sustain players during their own cooldowns. In fact, a Fi/Te that runs out of PP is a lousy one at that...

My main argument is that you do not see the big picture. You calculate a theory and deliver answers, but never deliver solutions.

When I ran fighter/techer, I would use wands crafted to fighter. These Wands were 7 - 8s wands I bought looking for one that had a Mark Anger on it for +50 ATP and +40 Dex. I would also see if it i had other Dex stuff. My Affixes were 50 - 100 Attack Power and around 50 - 100 Dex on them. For the purposes of this, I only calculated the wand using a Mark Angar and using numeric numbers, not percentages outside of potential.

Weapon 1: 11* Wand with Race Slayer.

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Notice that it reads assumed level 80 enemies. I chose 425 as the Dex value to use (even though the pattern on the site suggests 460 Dex on the low end for level 80s) because there was also a value for Ultimate Mode mobs. I wanted to calculate more for trash mobs and large mobs since that is what i mainly use wands for.... Notice that I have a lot of Dex in this build and with 1295 S-ATK not counting weapon, I managed a damage-scale of 78% on the min (Variance).

This damage is there because race slaying wands (10* wands) have higher internal latency than Red Weapons, and they also have a 20% Damage Potential that while the weapon is drawn, your techs also hit for +20% damage. As long as the creature is of the race-type, it hits for +20% damage regardless the hit box location. Notice that I only have +50 ATP as affixes for the weapon since I am only working with Mark Angar and equivalent to Arm III, working on min level.

Just for the Record:
Min: 1029
Mean: 1122
Max: 1141

Note: I decided to "MAKE NO SENSE" like some of the previous posts have made no sense. Truth is that Race Slaying Wands are 10* weapons, not 11* weapons, but I made you read right? The actual values are slightly different than this simply because of the Dex Difference between the wands. Values for 10* race slaying are 1024, 1121, 1141 (77% Ex)

This next weapon is the 13* Wand. I am calculating this at 60% Element, but without Potential. The potential works as damage vs weak points. However, due to the fact that its a 13* weapon, I eliminated Dexterity from my build and used 5s Saiki Units with Apprentice Soul/Modulator/Power III/Stamina III/Noble Stamina instead of what I used in the Dex Build. Also I could affix the weapon with S-ATK (or T-ATK) since I am not focusing on Dex.

Weapon 2: 13* Ver 2 Wand

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Min:1091
Mean: 1130
Max: 1139

Notice that there are advantages in my 10* Wand. I can hit for +20% damage using Techs and Race only matters, not hit location or damage-type (Strike or Tech). However, my advantages in using 13* is the fact that I did take Dex out of the build. This means that the extra attack power I have on my units helps all my other weapons (the non-crafted ones too), making them stronger. My choices make my techs and ranged stronger as well...which for my build means making Queen Viera and all other non-crafted weapons stronger.

So sure, I lose 2 points in the Max Damage, but this is at 0% potential. Trust me. Once I start hitting those weak points, and not having to deal with variance and having the stats I have on my units, my damage is beyond the effect I get from the 20% potential.

Ok, so what happens if I wanted to take a Red Weapon with Potential 1 (Seriously, I won't go to Potential 3, its such a waste and I like being practical here) and decide to use that weapon vs Level 75 - 80 enemies with 425 Dex; while only using the the minimum Dex I can have from Saiki + its Dex Bonus?

Weapon 3: Red Wand w/ Potential 1

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Min: 923
Mean: 1115
Max: 1156

Notice that the weapon with potential 1 has the lowest Min and Mean, but the highest max in this case. The Damage-Scale due to variance is 52%. I worry more for what happens when higher Dex enemies such as bosses are fought (like Chrome Dragon) where this Damage-Scale will drop below 50%. I can understand how one can make a Red Weapon do cool things like using Zanverse in a Te/Ra build, but for Wand Wacking, the minimum just has to go...Its not even in Quadruple Digits!

Notice that the 13* ALL CLASS weapon has the highest Minimum and Mean. The only reason that 13* weapon DOES NOT HAVE the highest Max is because I calculated it with a 0% potential since its damage is against weak points. However, having that 90% Damage-Scale along with a much healthier Min and Mean without needing Dexterity. In fact, the 13* weapon being non-crafted means that its damage is very tight between min and max, making the weapon extremely and utterly reliable regardless the enemy that is fought.

Suppose we took a Red Weapon in a non-dex build and calculated it for 450 Dex based on what the damage calculator reads for Dex, which is:

Level 65: 340 - 360, 400 High
Level 70 380 - 400, 425 High

If I wanted to follow the common trend for this...... (according to the site)

Level 75 420 - 440, 465 high
Level 80 460 - 480, 505 high

Ultimate reads as Mobs being 414 (which is why I chose 425)

Lets say you meet an enemy that is 450 Dex (+25 points more from basic calculation I am using).
Your Min, Mean, and Max would be: 906, 1112, 1156 (Damage-Scale of 48%)... That's right.. a variance worse than 50%....
This is the kind of Dex you would probably have to face when dealing with Dragon Bosses like Chrome Dragon...
This is important to note as it will affect the Race Slaying Wand too...

Ok, so enough on sounding like I am bashing Crafted Weapon to Oblivion.
The question is:

When are crafted weapons good?

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The answer to that is simple:
Outside of using Zanverse/Megiverse off a crafted weapon, etc...

Crafted Weapons are Intended for Level 65 - 70 SH difficulty.
The Dexterity of the enemies are far lower.
In fact at level 65 Defense and Dexterity, you get a 64% Damage Scale with the Red Wand.

Remember how I had with Race Slaying Weapon a 77% Damage Scale vs Level 80s? Which its awesome in itself for a crafted weapon, but sacrificed a lot more....? Vs Level 65, I get a 90% Damage-Scale just like normal weapons, considering I actually had 80 - 120 Dex on my weapons before crafting them...

This comes from the fact I crafted three sets of weapons:

1) Had no dexterity and I found out the hard way what happens when one fights high dex creatures
2) Weapons with some Dex....but still wasnt enough
3) Went all out and got 7 - 8s weapons with Marks, Souls (if lucky and possible) and good Dex and Power...

I used the minimum, but in calculation...to my average...my values vs level 80s were:
1064, 1142, 1159 81%

However vs Level 65
1128, 1170, 1179 (90%)

What are 13* intended for?

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If you look at my damage-scale using a crafted weapon on SH from last spoiler-box, and the damage-scale of the 13*, Min:1091, Mean: 1130, Max: 1139 (once again, without potential). Enemies in XH have more health, dexterity, and defense. The bane of crafted weapons. I was able to make a good crafted weapon and have 13* level damage when 13* did not exist and before the 10% class damage bonus was made for weapons, all because I took advantage of a 20% race-slaying potentials and crafted weapons.

However, its 2 years later and given all the weapons that are out there...
I use more current weapons for mobbing and in most SH areas, I pretty much annihilate them with a Gunslash because enemies have that little health.

[Dammy]

this rappy guy now playing on ship4
with 2 teams , 100 ppl and 99 ppl