PSA: joytokey blocked by gameguard

[red1228]

Just a 360 pad. My issue is the default controls being obnoxiously clunky.

If all you're using is a 360 controller, why do you require using a 3rd party software to remap the buttons? You can do so in-game already...?

[Kondibon]

If all you're using is a 360 controller, why do you require using a 3rd party software to remap the buttons? You can do so in-game already...?

It's not about remapping the buttons, it's about getting more functionality out of the limited buttons. I hate playing 3rd person action games on a KB&M but there are so many keyboard functions you just can't use with normal gamepad controls.

[red1228]

Ah, I see.

[Zorak000]

what's next is gamegaurd going to actively scan your open windows for the word "hack"

[ZerotakerZX]

well that blows. But xpadder is better anyway, hope they won't block it too. YOu gonna need to waste some time switching software.

[Keilyn]

I understand why it was done....
People remap to make gameplay faster on their end.
Some to the extent of Dual-Mapping.

I will give you two exploits

One that involves DUAL MAPPING common to old shooters

Spoiler!

Many years ago when Shooters first came out, Sniper Rifles inflicted more damage scoped to a target....
Lets say your key for scope zooming was Middle Mouse Button:

Middlemousebutton = ToggleScope | On-Release Fire

Take a Sniper Rifle and put it over a player's head unscoped.
Press Middle Mouse Button and it scopes + Headshots simultaneously for full damage. GG!!

How to win at MMORPG PvP w/o cheating, but still being infracted and quite possibly banned

Spoiler!

Years ago I was told to a breaking point that winning at MMORPG PvP required Skill and Equipment.

What we did actually was ingenious, but I came up with it out of SHEER AND ABSOLUTE ANGER.....

I said "IM GOING TO RIP THEIR EYEBALLS OUT AND SELL IT TO THEIR GRANDMOTHERS!!!"

We knew we needed TANKS, DPS, and Healers....
So I created a team completely built on EXPLOITING THE HITBOX SIZE.....

All DPS were the SMALLEST Characters possible; SO SMALL that Loli's seemed tall! (DRESSED IN DARK)
ALL TANKS were the TALLEST and WIDEST Characters Possible.... So wide that "That ain't no small moon.... Its your Mama!!!" Fat!
ALL Healers were the SMALLEST Characters possible; They were dressed in Light Colors


Advantages of SMALL HIT BOXES:

~Targeting us from a distant becomes tougher
~Evading an attack from a distant is easier since we are smaller and cover helps us better (smaller = cover is better)

People playing on CRT Monitors will notice the Black Dot Blinking at the edge when response time adjusts for its movement.
People playing on LCD Monitors will notice the Black Dot as just a Black Background from a distance due to low response time on distances.

Advantage of LARGE HIT BOXES:
~Blocking the view of incoming players. The larger the character, the more of the screen it consumes of the player attacking the character.
~The greater the disruption vs incoming player. If the larger character is wearing that super shiny, high-res texture = Enemy FPS drop!
~Smaller Characters behind the TANK can be TAB-TARGETED, but unless its an AoE attack, that attack is going to hit the tank.
~Easier to Block an attack with a MUCH WIDER HIT BOX


So at the end....when we had our gear and fought those tools!
We annihilated and decimated them to the point we not only sold their eyeballs to their grandmothers...
But we also had enough paint made from their blood to cover their guild hall in it,
and finally, their flesh and bones kept our furnaces running hot!
Amen and Good Riddance!!!

[Sirius-91]

what's next is gamegaurd going to actively scan your open windows for the word "hack"

But if you're a legitimate user, you shouldn't be using anything with hack in it. /s

[jooozek]

If all you're using is a 360 controller, why do you require using a 3rd party software to remap the buttons? You can do so in-game already...?

you can't map the xbox 360 guide button in pso2 options
checkmate
i kinda wish they'd fuck off with that though or fix xinput controller support, can't press both triggers because the game treats them as axis so can't really jump and swap palette at once

[ZerotakerZX]

:\ I'm slowly falling victim to arthritis, so I kind of need stuff like joytokey for certain stuff. Yeah I can complete button mash terminals fairly quickly on my own, but it hurts and might make the rest of my day miserable. Not to mention I need to be able to pick up loot quickly so I'm not slowing the party down. Without hurting myself or my controller.

Then there's the fact I'm using a ps4 controller (hate xbox controllers) and native support for it is garbage. You have to do some weird shit with the r2/l2 to get the analog sticks to work, and then like jooozek said, you can't do stuff while holding r2/l2 so OH BOY I HOPE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IMPORTANT MAPPED TO THOSE. (Force becomes unplayable.) And you can't even map the whole controller. Home button and touchpad? Nope! Two wasted buttons that make 3-button impossible for me to do well. Joytokey lets me map those (well, touchpad only gets to be ONE thing, but that's okay...) and makes it playable. I changed touchpad to be my interact/pick up and circle to be my subpalette. Home button is the 1 key so I always have quick access to whatever is on that slot. Even if they had FULL native support for ps4 controllers, they wouldn't let you map stuff to a specific slot on the subpalette, which is kinda dumb. Let me do whatever I want with my controller, man. If I want to potentially waste a button on that, let me.
(For whatever reason, I can't get inputmapper's macros to work with PSO2, or else I'd just use that and save myself the memory.)

Anyway. There is no way to harmfully exploit joytokey. The most you can do is set up a turbo macro because there's no way to set how much time passes between multiple inputs to make something as useful as a dashing macro with joytokey. And what can you do with turbo? You can complete button mash terminals quickly. That's not harmful. If they want to call that an exploit, they should look at all the stuff being done to dash faster and stop calling them "strategies."
You can complete the mining machines in one go, but who the hell cares about that.
You can do all of Holding Current immediately, but again, WHO CARES? It has a hard cap of how many ticks it can do.
You can pick items up quickly?? That isn't harmful, either. If anything, it should be a sign that sega needs to make their own "hold the button down" method of picking items up go faster instead of whatever 2-or-3-presses-per-second they have it set to. With so many item boxes, a lot of time is wasted at the end of stuff like Magatsu just struggling with picking stuff up. (YOU may not have a problem with it, but then you get a party member or two who are abysmally slow at it and you have to wait for them.)
You can turn client orders in without wasting a bunch of time. Having it mash the enter key for you makes turning in 20 orders in a row far less painful, and far less worrisome for the longevity of the controller. But again, how is that exploitative??
(No longer relevant due to QOL updates, but I used to have macros set for tekking weapons and desynthing discs.)

It would just be Sega being spoilsports again and throwing a tantrum over people not doing things how they say people should do them.

That said, I was still using it for mommy EQ earlier today without a problem. Just to make sure, I've let the game and joytokey running for a few minutes just now and gameguard hasn't thrown a fit yet. (It usually throws its fit within 2min) Then again, maybe it'll start up the next time I launch joytokey. In which case rip.
But if it has anything to do with it, my setup goes:
-Inputmapper (360 controller emulator) set to run on startup
-Joytokey shortcut set to always run as admin without UAC (permanent whitelist)
-Launching PSO2 via .bat

I can tell you are really upset... but just switch to xpadder. its better anyway.

[emanresuj]

:\ I'm slowly falling victim to arthritis, so I kind of need stuff like joytokey for certain stuff. Yeah I can complete button mash terminals fairly quickly on my own, but it hurts and might make the rest of my day miserable. Not to mention I need to be able to pick up loot quickly so I'm not slowing the party down. Without hurting myself or my controller.

Then there's the fact I'm using a ps4 controller (hate xbox controllers) and native support for it is garbage. You have to do some weird shit with the r2/l2 to get the analog sticks to work, and then like jooozek said, you can't do stuff while holding r2/l2 so OH BOY I HOPE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IMPORTANT MAPPED TO THOSE. (Force becomes unplayable.) And you can't even map the whole controller. Home button and touchpad? Nope! Two wasted buttons that make 3-button impossible for me to do well. Joytokey lets me map those (well, touchpad only gets to be ONE thing, but that's okay...) and makes it playable. I changed touchpad to be my interact/pick up and circle to be my subpalette. Home button is the 1 key so I always have quick access to whatever is on that slot. Even if they had FULL native support for ps4 controllers, they wouldn't let you map stuff to a specific slot on the subpalette, which is kinda dumb. Let me do whatever I want with my controller, man. If I want to potentially waste a button on that, let me.
(For whatever reason, I can't get inputmapper's macros to work with PSO2, or else I'd just use that and save myself the memory.)

Anyway. There is no way to harmfully exploit joytokey. The most you can do is set up a turbo macro because there's no way to set how much time passes between multiple inputs to make something as useful as a dashing macro with joytokey. And what can you do with turbo? You can complete button mash terminals quickly. That's not harmful. If they want to call that an exploit, they should look at all the stuff being done to dash faster and stop calling them "strategies."
You can complete the mining machines in one go, but who the hell cares about that.
You can do all of Holding Current immediately, but again, WHO CARES? It has a hard cap of how many ticks it can do.
You can pick items up quickly?? That isn't harmful, either. If anything, it should be a sign that sega needs to make their own "hold the button down" method of picking items up go faster instead of whatever 2-or-3-presses-per-second they have it set to. With so many item boxes, a lot of time is wasted at the end of stuff like Magatsu just struggling with picking stuff up. (YOU may not have a problem with it, but then you get a party member or two who are abysmally slow at it and you have to wait for them.)
You can turn client orders in without wasting a bunch of time. Having it mash the enter key for you makes turning in 20 orders in a row far less painful, and far less worrisome for the longevity of the controller. But again, how is that exploitative??
(No longer relevant due to QOL updates, but I used to have macros set for tekking weapons and desynthing discs.)

It would just be Sega being spoilsports again and throwing a tantrum over people not doing things how they say people should do them.

That said, I was still using it for mommy EQ earlier today without a problem. Just to make sure, I've let the game and joytokey running for a few minutes just now and gameguard hasn't thrown a fit yet. (It usually throws its fit within 2min) Then again, maybe it'll start up the next time I launch joytokey. In which case rip.
But if it has anything to do with it, my setup goes:
-Inputmapper (360 controller emulator) set to run on startup
-Joytokey shortcut set to always run as admin without UAC (permanent whitelist)
-Launching PSO2 via .bat

so lucky...
1.) what version jtk are you using? i hear some versions older than latest (5.8.2) still work.
2.) have you restarted the game since mid monday? gameguard files with timestamp before 2/13 do not have an issue; restarting game will force gg to update to hell version.

this all has really inspired sadness within me.