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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    ITT: we're so casual we need CF's for everything (including 14*'s) because having it drop (whether you want it or not) is no longer satisfying or worth the one hour a day you can play, complaining about gauge Req's and % fillage is now the only way to go. oh ya and Galel stones still build up pretty quick the more your playing

    and fyi, 14*'s are area drops, JP's confirmed this already a long time ago


    Nem NT's are one of top of the line weapon series atm, so no, your not better off Basilis unless you have nothing else to use
    I feel Invade/Austere exchange did the road to a top end 13* best, you could get lucky and get a drop from the PD, which was super rare, but if you didn't, you at least got some stones to bring you ever closer to eventually owning one. Not to mention it actually made you play the game by making you do every gameplay mode for the materials. This here though? This is just mind numbing, unrewarding grinding. I thought we were past this.

    And I'm aware that Nemesis-NT is the best, I said as much in my paragraph. That statement was for people who didn't have a Qliphad but still wanted a very good upgrade that's notably stronger (with Phrase Decay) than Astra, Elveda, and Seiga gears a lot of people are using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saagonsa View Post
    You see I could accept that if Austere didn't require these stones. That's where I assume most people who grinded out ult nab previously put their old stones.

    Or at least, that's what I did way back when.
    Personally speaking, I split my Stones between Austere and Nemesis; I grinded out enough stones to buy two Austere, and I managed to gather enough stones to buy one Nemesis. PSO2es and Casino help a lot with stone grinding.
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  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saagonsa View Post
    You see I could accept that if Austere didn't require these stones. That's where I assume most people who grinded out ult nab previously put their old stones.

    Or at least, that's what I did way back when.
    I did this as well but i ran UQ a lot too along with Daily Stones CO's on a few alts (still a slow grind) but Ive had a lot of stones just sitting around. Even a couple of hours of grinding current UQ im still getting around 20-40 stones on average.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstarkirby View Post
    I feel Invade/Austere exchange did the road to a top end 13* best, you could get lucky and get a drop from the PD, which was super rare, but if you didn't, you at least got some stones to bring you ever closer to eventually owning one. Not to mention it actually made you play the game by making you do every gameplay mode for the materials. This here though? This is just mind numbing, unrewarding grinding. I thought we were past this.

    And I'm aware that Nemesis-NT is the best, I said as much in my paragraph. That statement was for people who didn't have a Qliphad but still wanted a very good upgrade that's notably stronger (with Phrase Decay) than Astra, Elveda, and Seiga gears a lot of people are using.
    I've got about 5 60% austere weps (skipped units because unsellable at the time) and 4 60% Nem weps from all my grinding and still stones to spare for this current NT release. Mind you I have a job and im in school and i find time to squeeze as much grinding as possible if i want something badly in this game. its not impossible to amass this material either just you need utilize everything you can to speed it up.

    and the mind numbing grinding? come on pal, grinding is a part of every MMO/RPG/FPS etc w/e now a days, if you dont like it, dont play/do it. its as simple as that, its also a reason people tend to point out Koren MMO grinds as well. Heck, you might as well be one of those people complaining about Star Wars BF2 character unlock grind, 40hrs to unlock a free character with in-game currency? i mean come on, thats like what that community manager said "ultra casual"


    Aside that, the real problem and upsetting part of the boost week grind for me is:
    -Sega promised only 10* drops would occur in UQ's
    -The current loot pool is plagued by 7*-9* trash
    -TONS OF EGGS & CANDY for a class barely anyone plays anymore that should only drop when playing SU
    -Area drops that have low rates feel lower and the lack of Rappies spawning enough to help out (i bet you guys wish the Rappy Code Arrest ET was still here right? help out with those 13/14* drops)
    -Drop Rates are well subpar, similar to Are's on release date
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    I did this as well but i ran UQ a lot too along with Daily Stones CO's on a few alts (still a slow grind) but Ive had a lot of stones just sitting around. Even a couple of hours of grinding current UQ im still getting around 20-40 stones on average.



    I've got about 5 60% austere weps (skipped units because unsellable at the time) and 4 60% Nem weps from all my grinding and still stones to spare for this current NT release. Mind you I have a job and im in school and i find time to squeeze as much grinding as possible if i want something badly in this game. its not impossible to amass this material either just you need utilize everything you can to speed it up.

    and the mind numbing grinding? come on pal, grinding is a part of every MMO/RPG/FPS etc w/e now a days, if you dont like it, dont play/do it. its as simple as that, its also a reason people tend to point out Koren MMO grinds as well. Heck, you might as well be one of those people complaining about Star Wars BF2 character unlock grind, 40hrs to unlock a free character with in-game currency? i mean come on, thats like what that community manager said "ultra casual"
    "Every couple of hours I get ~10% of the way to one of the requirements (~2.5% if you don't have lots of stuff to manually element grind)" is not the best argument in your favor when this only lasts two weeks.

    This all is of course ignoring the major fact that you ALSO need to get lucky enough to have 3 nemesis-NT drops happen before you can even think about using the stones to get an OT nemesis weapon for conversion.

    It's just not implemented well at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saagonsa View Post
    "Every couple of hours I get ~10% of the way to one of the requirements (~2.5% if you don't have lots of stuff to manually element grind)" is not the best argument in your favor when this only lasts two weeks.

    This all is of course ignoring the major fact that you ALSO need to get lucky enough to have 3 nemesis-NT drops happen before you can even think about using the stones to get an OT nemesis weapon for conversion.

    It's just not implemented well at all.
    no its not, they could have gone about this better but they arent, once this boost is gone, the UQ will be dead again and people will wait for the Lilipa UQ boost and time will tell if the pots on those will be good or not but in the end, it will be the same complaints, drop only, no CF's, 2 weeks, get to grinding or dont get anything at all. You have the dragon raid around the corner as well for more gear so theres that.

    All you can do is grind in a full party with people for PT Tri Boost, pop RDR tickets etc and well let RNG take its course. Theres no getting around this, its the thrill and the anger of the hunt. If you dont like it, you dont have to run it, stick to Quilph weapons, nothing wrong with this either

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    I dont mind having to grind galerus. I would be happy if that was the case. Having to rely in RNG for the 3 NT drops is the issue. It isnt like getting the weapon means you worked hard either. People can get lucky and get all their stuff within 2 hours of grind, while others may still not be done after going at it for the 2 weeks.

    Stones were cool, and CF would be cool if proportions werent so high(amducias filled at a 6% or something rate with 400% ish drop rate). But RNG isnt, is just a lottery. I dont feel accomplished for getting lucky, just happy that I am done with the part I have no control over.

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    What I would really want them to do is that after the inevitable UQ Lillipa boost, they simply start a "boost rotation" where one of the three UQs is boosted for a week or two, and then after that boost is over, they go to the next UQ in line and boost that, and so forth. It would keep UQ relevant without giving focus to just one piece of content for an extended period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    I've got about 5 60% austere weps (skipped units because unsellable at the time) and 4 60% Nem weps from all my grinding and still stones to spare for this current NT release. Mind you I have a job and im in school and i find time to squeeze as much grinding as possible if i want something badly in this game. its not impossible to amass this material either just you need utilize everything you can to speed it up.

    and the mind numbing grinding? come on pal, grinding is a part of every MMO/RPG/FPS etc w/e now a days, if you dont like it, dont play/do it. its as simple as that, its also a reason people tend to point out Koren MMO grinds as well. Heck, you might as well be one of those people complaining about Star Wars BF2 character unlock grind, 40hrs to unlock a free character with in-game currency? i mean come on, thats like what that community manager said "ultra casual"
    Calm your dick, dude. Why would I have an excess of stones that have been worthless for over a year now? Austere was moved aside when Astra came along. Even then, I only got as much as was necessary at the time they were relevant, not more. With badges. I didn't grind for worthless Gal stones when Ult Naberius was briefly alive a second time, which was 2 years ago with Ares Weapon exchange. So, stone rates are actually ridiculous unless you had a lot beforehand. We only have 2 weeks before Ult simply dries up again, you're expected to grind hell a lot at these rates.

    As for your 4 60% Nemesis-NT weapons? Wow. Good for you. You got the luck of the draw and managed to get 12 random NTs to make the exchange. Maybe even less, I don't know if you've gotten the weapons of choice as natural drops, but regardless, I've obviously not been so fortunate. But maybe if I throw another 8 time wasting hours into a quest that drops nothing but 7-8* trash most of the time instead of doing something actually rewarding, I might be able to make one 15 element NT of my choice. Maybe some people are just, I dunno, not as fortunate? I could grind as much as you, doesn't mean I'll get the same results, so your dick waving with 4 60% element Nemesis-NTs means nothing here when it's RNG that decides whether you get to even do this exchange or not. It's not just "hard work" as you're touting it.

    I also don't what kind of tangent you're going off on with SW:BF2 characters and shit, that's not even remotely the same type of game or hell, situation, to be similar to the complaint I have here. Stop shit flinging. I'm very much used to grinding games for hours for stuff I want. Except unlike here when I failed to get what I want, I at least got something else out of it that didn't make it feel like a waste of time. Which is exactly what you've gone ahead and clearly stated being an issue here with:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    -Sega promised only 10* drops would occur in UQ's
    -The current loot pool is plagued by 7*-9* trash
    -TONS OF EGGS & CANDY for a class barely anyone plays anymore that should only drop when playing SU
    -Area drops that have low rates feel lower and the lack of Rappies spawning enough to help out (i bet you guys wish the Rappy Code Arrest ET was still here right? help out with those 13/14* drops)
    -Drop Rates are well subpar, similar to Are's on release date
    Again, I'm fine doing a grind for a high end weapon, but there's a good way to do it and a bad way. This was just bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altiea View Post
    What I would really want them to do is that after the inevitable UQ Lillipa boost, they simply start a "boost rotation" where one of the three UQs is boosted for a week or two, and then after that boost is over, they go to the next UQ in line and boost that, and so forth. It would keep UQ relevant without giving focus to just one piece of content for an extended period of time.
    This would work really well, even if it was a weekend thing only, it would get people to run it at least

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstarkirby View Post
    Calm your dick, dude. Why would I have an excess of stones that have been worthless for over a year now? Austere was moved aside when Astra came along. Even then, I only got as much as was necessary at the time they were relevant, not more. With badges. I didn't grind for worthless Gal stones when Ult Naberius was briefly alive a second time, which was 2 years ago with Ares Weapon exchange. So, stone rates are actually ridiculous unless you had a lot beforehand. We only have 2 weeks before Ult simply dries up again, you're expected to grind hell a lot at these rates.
    Then thats on your for not hoarding these stones when they were out for the inevitable revive of gear or content when Sega decides to come around to it. Those who hoarded UQ stones and still have them will greatly benefit from it if they choose to go about getting the NT's of Nem or Slave. If you chose to throw all those out, thats on you, im still sitting on a couple of stacks of Caligula and Nero waiting for the aforementioned Austere NT's that people wanted when NT's were introduced and Sega mentioning they would work on it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstarkirby View Post
    As for your 4 60% Nemesis-NT weapons? Wow. Good for you. You got the luck of the draw and managed to get 12 random NTs to make the exchange. Maybe even less, I don't know if you've gotten the weapons of choice as natural drops, but regardless, I've obviously not been so fortunate. But maybe if I throw another 8 time wasting hours into a quest that drops nothing but 7-8* trash most of the time instead of doing something actually rewarding, I might be able to make one 15 element NT of my choice. Maybe some people are just, I dunno, not as fortunate? I could grind as much as you, doesn't mean I'll get the same results, so your dick waving with 4 60% element Nemesis-NTs means nothing here when it's RNG that decides whether you get to even do this exchange or not. It's not just "hard work" as you're touting it.
    I never said i have 4 Nem NT's, i have 4 of the OT Nems when release at max, I've only gotten ONE NT weapon and I had to trade in for that with 3 NT drops i didnt want. There are people luckier than me so far, 2 14*'s and 5 Nem NT's from a friend of mine, i wish i had that kind of luck but i dont. You dont want to grind for gear, dont play the game

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstarkirby View Post
    I also don't what kind of tangent you're going off on with SW:BF2 characters and shit, that's not even remotely the same type of game or hell, situation, to be similar to the complaint I have here. Stop shit flinging. I'm very much used to grinding games for hours for stuff I want. Except unlike here when I failed to get what I want, I at least got something else out of it that didn't make it feel like a waste of time. Which is exactly what you've gone ahead and clearly stated being an issue here with:

    Again, I'm fine doing a grind for a high end weapon, but there's a good way to do it and a bad way. This was just bad.
    Here so you understand what I mean since people tend to feel entitled to things now a days:

    https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/13/1...ke-ea-response

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    So 14* weapons frop from anything in both areas? Am i reading this right?

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