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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Worst new skill award definitely goes to Fo since it can't even work if you don't have Photon Flare. Even if you do have it, there's a cool down and if after burst doesn't count, then it'd even longer before recasting.
    But that's not different than the other classes. It's like saying that FI's skill is useless if you don't have Limit Break, or TE's skill if you don't use Shifta/Deband, or SU's skill if you don't use Alter Ego etc. At the same time, unless I didn't understand it, it means that techs cast during Photon Flare will have reduced charge time. That's direct dps increase (at the same time as increase in PP per sec) during when you need it the most (burn phases).

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Worst new skill award definitely goes to Fo since it can't even work if you don't have Photon Flare. Even if you do have it, there's a cool down and if after burst doesn't count, then it'd even longer before recasting.
    youre so out of touch with FO that you dont realize what a DPS jump this adds on to the already OP FO

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mits View Post
    That's direct dps increase (at the same time as increase in PP per sec) during when you need it the most (burn phases).
    standing still already removes the pp prob during this really

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mits View Post
    But that's not different than the other classes. It's like saying that FI's skill is useless if you don't have Limit Break, or TE's skill if you don't use Shifta/Deband, or SU's skill if you don't use Alter Ego etc. At the same time, unless I didn't understand it, it means that techs cast during Photon Flare will have reduced charge time. That's direct dps increase (at the same time as increase in PP per sec) during when you need it the most (burn phases).
    The complaint is about having to take Photon Flare in the first place, which no one usually does because Force is usually throwing Skill Points into Element Mastery instead. That being said, with the extra SP and PFRSC it's now worth at least putting one or two points in Flare because of the halved charge time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mits View Post
    But that's not different than the other classes. It's like saying that FI's skill is useless if you don't have Limit Break, or TE's skill if you don't use Shifta/Deband, or SU's skill if you don't use Alter Ego etc. At the same time, unless I didn't understand it, it means that techs cast during Photon Flare will have reduced charge time. That's direct dps increase (at the same time as increase in PP per sec) during when you need it the most (burn phases).
    Ya, but the skills you mention are pretty much staples of their respective class. Photon Flare as long been regarded as a waste of points since you can pretty much put that in your Technique Up 1 & 2 and have a more constant boost that doesn't require an activation. The main issue with an active skill is that 1/3 of the time when you activate it, Murphy's law will shit on you and: Some sort of boss battle cutscene will happen, you'll get knocked dizzy, frozen, paralyzed, tossed across the room, it hard enough that you'll need to waste time healing yourself or you'll simply die. So to have one skill rely on another like this, especially one that was pointless since the beginning is just asking for bad luck.

    Plus, like I said earlier, it's probably a better choice to save those 5 new SP for High Level Bonus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    youre so out of touch with FO that you dont realize what a DPS jump this adds on to the already OP FO
    Bitch please, if High Level Bonus is a %, then it will trump the concept of putting 2 points in PF and 5 in that new skill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Ya, but the skills you mention are pretty much staples of their respective class. Photon Flare as long been regarded as a waste of points since you can pretty much put that in your Technique Up 1 & 2 and have a more constant boost that doesn't require an activation. The main issue with an active skill is that 1/3 of the time when you activate it, Murphy's law will shit on you and: Some sort of boss battle cutscene will happen, you'll get knocked dizzy, frozen, paralyzed, tossed across the room, it hard enough that you'll need to waste time healing yourself or you'll simply die. So to have one skill rely on another like this, especially one that was pointless since the beginning is just asking for bad luck.

    Plus, like I said earlier, it's probably a better choice to save those 5 new SP for High Level Bonus.
    This is, again, under the assumption that High Level Bonus will require SP at all instead of just leveling up for each level you earn past Level 80.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    Bitch please, if High Level Bonus is a %, then it will trump the concept of putting 2 points in PF and 5 in that new skill.
    T0 Zonde had literally zero charge to it, ok buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altiea View Post
    The complaint is about having to take Photon Flare in the first place, which no one usually does because Force is usually throwing Skill Points into Element Mastery instead. That being said, with the extra SP and PFRSC it's now worth at least putting one or two points in Flare because of the halved charge time.
    What if, with this new skill, speccing in Photon Flare becomes meta due to it being higher performance than other FO builds? If this new skill manages that, then that's a good design point, since it will require the FO meta to have more active skills to manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mits View Post
    What if, with this new skill, speccing in Photon Flare becomes meta due to it being higher performance than other FO builds? If this new skill manages that, then that's a good design point, since it will require the FO meta to have more active skills to manage.
    it basically is going to be meta, almost zero charge time with Il Grants for 60s on top of added T atk and standing still PP recov? its gonna be good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altiea View Post
    This is, again, under the assumption that High Level Bonus will require SP at all instead of just leveling up for each level you earn past Level 80.
    Hey, nothing I'd like more than another skill that doesn't require SP so that I can put them somewhere else, but SEGA is not that generous. High Level Bonus says 5/5, the characters SEGA are using are Lv85 with 0 SP free, just being logical here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_importer_ View Post
    No need to assume anything:



    Unless SEGA will allow you to use SG for this new skill, what's the 5/5 for?
    Maybe its a Level 20 / 40 / 50 / 70 / 80 unlockable. So far we haven't seen this Skill not being maxed out and it'd be idiotic to make one skill that doesn't require SP and make another skill that is identically labeled require SP to level up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    it basically is going to be meta, almost zero charge time with Il Grants for 60s on top of added T atk and standing still PP recov? its gonna be good
    The Photon Flare Short Charge thingy only has a duration of 20 seconds. Still more than enough for most stun phases and seriously we're talking about a skill that requires 1 SP investment at worst.

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