Perpetual Madness Presentation and Discussion thread

[Loveless62]

Spoiler!

5 DEF = 1 flat damage reduction

For a fair comparison i’ll look at the other defensive unit Izane

The comparison is 777 hp vs ~350 defense, 150 hp, 4% DR

You can look at defense in two ways
1. Flat damage reduction (350 defense would be 70 damage reduced)
2. A variable DR based on enemy attack. (Almost all XH mobs sit at 4000 ~ 6000 atk, so this would make 350 defense roughly 5% ~ 8% DR)

Looking at it in the first one. Say you take 300 dmg and have 1200 hp (we’ll use the 300 as izane after the defense has been applied)
• with izane you take 288 dmg. At 1350 hp you can take 4 hits before you die. (1350/288 = 4.68 )
• with rappy you take 370 dmg. At 1977 hp you can take 5 hits before you die. (1977/370 = 5.34)

Say you take 600 instead and have 1800 hp
• izane: 576 dmg @ 1950 hp = 3.38 hits
• rappy: 670 dmg @ 2577 hp = 3.84 hits

That’s not all.

If we add any DR from other sources, say like deband cut 15%
• izane: 490 dmg @ 1950 hp = 3.97 hits
• rappy: 570 dmg @ 2577 hp = 4.52 hits

• izane: 245 dmg @ 1350 hp = 5.51 hits
• rappy: 296 dmg @ 1977 hp = 6.67 hits

The difference increases as you have more DR, and hp buffs are based in max hp so rappy gets more out of that too. The raw defense boost from deband only applies to your base so that’s the same for both.

Of course, if you want to compare it to more offensive units, then you have to take into consideration atk and pp and how much of a value they are for you.

Another relevant calculation: if you play Hr, you will want to know how much damage will do 20% of your health, which causes you to lose Hero Boost.

20% of 1350 HP is 270 HP, which comes from a hit doing 352 (i.e., (270 / .96) + 70). If you are using Rappy and have 1977 HP, 352 damage is 17.80%, so Rappy would not lose Hero Boost from the same hit.

20% of 1950 HP is 390 HP, which comes from a hit doing 477 (i.e., (350 / .96) + 70). If you are using Rappy and have 2577 HP, 477 damage is 18.51%, so Rappy would not lose Hero Boost from the same hit.

In the case of 15% extra DR, to do 20% (270) of 1350 HP , a hit would have to do 401 (i.e., (270 / (.96 * .85) + 70). If you are using Rappy and have 1977 HP, 401 damage with 15% DR is 341, 17.25% of your health.

Similarly, with 15% extra DR, to do 20% (390) of 1950 HP , a hit would have to do 548 (i.e., (390 / (.96 * .85) + 70). If you are using Rappy and have 2577 HP, 548 damage with 15% DR is 466, 18.08% of your health.

It seems an Hr would prefer using Rappy.

Edit: I forgot that Izane also offers +20 atk-all, so an Hr player's preference between these units may not be so straightforward. Rappy definitely protects your Hero boost better, though. How do you know if +20 atk-all is better for you than the extra tankiness, or vice-versa? Only the deepest of soul searches will tell you.

On the off chance Xierra is retarded and makes you skip a phase into another buster phase, please let 1 (one,only one) pile die so you can get your phase back.
If you're in a strong organised run you can bleed phases out for longer and get way more exp by keeping the pile amount minimal.

the only reason to do this is exp, no other reason. no falz bosses, no good loot. pug will never do this.

A pug faces the possibility of failing the run, especially while BEQ2 is still new. Extra phases means more damage to the towers, increasing the risk of failure, so a pug would generally welcome the skipping of a phase.

[Great Pan]

Too fucking hard. NERF IT PLZ SEGA, FOR MY EZY XP!

[oratank]

i don't understand why somepeople keep darkblast for the final push to kill some mob faster but let ton of mob demolish 50% of tower

[ArcaneTechs]

i don't understand why somepeople keep darkblast for the final push to kill some mob faster but let ton of mob demolish 50% of tower

im seeing people be smart and using DB ON THE FINAL WAVE (aka Accidents) than seeing people be dumb and use it literally on the castle run up part which doesnt require DB because of how fast castle dies

Too fucking hard. NERF IT PLZ SEGA, FOR MY EZY XP!

shut up, no here or anywhere besides maybe non expert players are complaining about this being too hard. ez bait but try harder

[Dark Mits]

Too fucking hard. NERF IT PLZ SEGA, FOR MY EZY XP!

Ok, I'll bite.
There is a very effective way to have 100% success and get ezy xp. Run it on a lower difficulty.

i don't understand why somepeople keep darkblast for the final push to kill some mob faster but let ton of mob demolish 50% of tower

- it is possible that some people do not have Dark Blast ready before that point for whatever reason
- it is possible that Dark Blast isn't even needed in earlier phases, especially if you don't even get an Accident
- it is possible that some players may be "traumatized" from the inability to kill those infected named Resta Golems in previous events without Dark Blast, and prefer to use the big guns on those
- in our team runs we used the 3-3-2 tactic: 3 people during the start of last defense phase, 3 people 1 minute in it, and 2 people for the final part.

[MyNameIsHawk]

i played on pubs so far - non expert checked cause for me is the same, 1 lose and 1 won

xh is more easy that sh due gear limitation, for enter xh need be lv 80, for 80 you need at least a weapon of the class at 35.

as crazy the eq is, i love it.

[Zephyrion]

Ok, I'll bite.
There is a very effective way to have 100% success and get ezy xp. Run it on a lower difficulty.

- it is possible that some people do not have Dark Blast ready before that point for whatever reason
- it is possible that Dark Blast isn't even needed in earlier phases, especially if you don't even get an Accident
- it is possible that some players may be "traumatized" from the inability to kill those infected named Resta Golems in previous events without Dark Blast, and prefer to use the big guns on those
- in our team runs we used the 3-3-2 tactic: 3 people during the start of last defense phase, 3 people 1 minute in it, and 2 people for the final part.

That and some classes simply would rather not use DB because it's not even that efficient for them, since stuff has so low HP. Why turn into Elder when BR bow can kill pretty much anything with Banish combos while dealing with towers from across the map, all while having acces to gravity point and gravity grenade for mob control, or forsake another S-roll a.k.a melting all these heads and infections for literally free, on top of having chain to deal with anything that doesn't die in 2/3 S-rolls, or you picked Techer and you have to buff these DB to make them better....the list goes on and on.

[XrosBlader821]

I keep my DB for the final push simply because Elder can oneshot those towers on the backside with a charged up Knuckle (thank god I can dispose of them without having to wait for the other Side to be done with their Mobs). Which a surprisingly large number of people are still unaware of.

[Masu]

i don't understand why somepeople keep darkblast for the final push to kill some mob faster but let ton of mob demolish 50% of tower

Because DB was and still is a mistake Only good thing is it gives a clue if you actually do your job depenting how early you get access to it in a run. This and to permit to draw dat shiny stick before boss death and still being able to deal damage.

More seriously, do you guys experience a lots of lag with this eq? This one is lagfest for me. Kinda kill all the fun
Nevermind, seems GG was the culprit.

[milranduil]

I keep my DB for the final push simply because Elder can oneshot those towers on the backside with a charged up Knuckle (thank god I can dispose of them without having to wait for the other Side to be done with their Mobs). Which a surprisingly large number of people are still unaware of.

what's the point of this? the circles castle shoots out periodically are annoying, but it's not that big of a deal lol. this sounds like such a waste