PSO2 and other Games with Gatcha Prizes in Japan Could be in Trouble.

[Zulastar]

you're not really gambiling at all _!!_

Well about no gambling:
1 you can get from the scratch either garbage which costs nothing or something you can sell in your shop for more than 30 mil
2 if you want concrete item - you can scratch forever and don't get it in the end
3 add Ability (Strike/PP3)

And if you didn't trade stuff in your shop - you'll never get yourself top affixes or new fashion items.
There's either gambling when you trying to get something to sell from drops, from creating fodders which can be failured too or from the Scratch for real money...

SW battlefront 2 its the only real sinner here

Not only. There are many games with Lootbox system existed even before. Tera or Defiance I played for example.
SW battlefront 2 just took this shit on a new level which gets past people's patience limit.

[BloodPuddles]

with gacha dead mobile trash would basically be dead in the water which won't be allowed to happen

Lol I see you haven't given mobile games a chance. Lots of mobile MMOs completely trash most PC/Console ones.

[ArcaneTechs]

Government oversight is a good thing where it's proven that without it, the corporations responsible end up harming the people they're squeezing all the cash out of. As is the case with lootboxes - it's gambling, and hurts peoples' lives the same way gambling does.

lol just learn moderation bruh, get help. thats why they have all these hotlines, hell if you need to call your bank and put a cap on yourself because you cant learn control then do it. i dont need big bro meddling with my games so they can eventually get a good grip on the gaming industry and tell me what i can/cant play, whats allowed/not allowed to be made by Game Devs. no thanks, seek help if you seriously cant control your gambling addiction for an online game.

stuff that allows you to get lootboxes by just playing is fine, youre not forced to pay and the option to isnt something that has to be removed. you just play like you normally would and get something extra every so often for doing it

[Shoterxx]

lol just learn moderation bruh, get help. thats why they have all these hotlines, hell if you need to call your bank and put a cap on yourself because you cant learn control then do it. i dont need big bro meddling with my games so they can eventually get a good grip on the gaming industry and tell me what i can/cant play, whats allowed/not allowed to be made by Game Devs. no thanks, seek help if you seriously cant control your gambling addiction for an online game.

stuff that allows you to get lootboxes by just playing is fine, youre not forced to pay and the option to isnt something that has to be removed. you just play like you normally would and get something extra every so often for doing it

Government oversight is there because people show no signs of moderation, nor intent on moderating, bruh. Both buyers and devs are in the wrong in the end, and that's why a 3rd-party is involved.

[BloodPuddles]

I don't really see the devs as being in the wrong for this. Unless game progression is directly barred behind loot boxes they aren't making anybody buy them. If someone is dumb enough to actually hurt themselves throwing money at a game they deserve it. I don't even think that's a thing though, I've only ever heard of children spending too much on parents credit cards. Which when that happens same deal, why would you give a child access to all of the money you own? These systems that massively help game companies shouldn't be criticized because people have no common sense.

[Shoterxx]

I don't really see the devs as being in the wrong for this. Unless game progression is directly barred behind loot boxes they aren't making anybody buy them. If someone is dumb enough to actually hurt themselves throwing money at a game they deserve it. I don't even think that's a thing though, I've only ever heard of children spending too much on parents credit cards. Which when that happens same deal, why would you give a child access to all of the money you own? These systems that massively help game companies shouldn't be criticized because people have no common sense.

So predation is A-OK, it's just your fault if you get predated.

Society lessons 101.

[BloodPuddles]

They're not forcing you to do it though. It's like walking in to a store being like "Oh wow, all this stuff is so great. I'm gonna buy all of it." Then blaming the store for taking all your money because you really wanted what they had.

[Shoterxx]

They're not forcing you to do it though. It's like walking in to a store being like "Oh wow, all this stuff is so great. I'm gonna buy all of it." Then blaming the store for taking all your money because you really wanted what they had.

It's still predation, even if through bait.

They know the vulnerability exists, and still exploit it as much as possible for their own (short-term) benefit, with no regards for implications. By no means the buyer is faultless, but the same goes to the seller.

[XrosBlader821]

They're not forcing you to do it though. It's like walking in to a store being like "Oh wow, all this stuff is so great. I'm gonna buy all of it." Then blaming the store for taking all your money because you really wanted what they had.

Bad analogy.
There actually are rules preventing you from buying too much of what an above average household would require. This rule is in place specifically so that during special offers one customer wouldn't show up and buy the entire stock of something and then 50 other customers leave the place unsatisfied because they couldn't make the purchase they were planning to.

But to talk about your attempted example, you still know what you are buying when you say you're gonna buy the entire stock of a shop. Lootboxes rarely give you the thing you want to obtain and they force you to get more money by your brain going "ok one more time I know the next one will give me Innocent Cluster [Ba]" repeatedly. It's only after the purchase was already made that you realize how much money you wasted and it's even worse if you spend ludicrous amounts of money and still don't get the thing you wanted. And yes PSO2 has those "scratch X amount of times to get a ticket" mechanics but Scratching 30 AC scratches is still 6000 AC just to get one item you want (you can count how much money it is in your region yourself). This becomes even worse when talking about SG Scratches since those Items aren't even tradeable and the primary SG income is tied to a dead quest format, laggy PVP experience and very RNG dependand Casino Minigames. Every other method of SG income (Titles, Magatsu Keys, Campaigns, Arks League) are opportunistic and not constants you can work about.

And to your previous statement that you only ever saw dumb kids being dumb with their parents Credit Cards, here is an example of a grown up man wasting 15k USD on Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer cardpacks. A Article that also explains why multiplayer was shoehorned into Dragon Age and if you put 2 and 2 together you'll realize why EA Sports titles use lootboxes for their games and why EA tried to shoehorn them into Star Wars Battlefront 2 and Need for Speed Payback, which by the way affected the main gameplay modes, not just Ultimate Team like in EA Sports titles.

Is it dumb? Ofc but that doesn't mean it's okay that people are allowed to take advantage of that and get away with it. Whenever or not somebody deserves it is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

[Dark Mits]

Lol I see you haven't given mobile games a chance. Lots of mobile MMOs completely trash most PC/Console ones.

To incite game wars: Yes, lots of MMOs trash PC/Console ones; the trash ones that exist on PC/Console. No mobile MMO has even 10% of the quality of either WoW or FF14, which are arguably the 2 "best" MMOs currently on the market.