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    Quote Originally Posted by Kondibon View Post
    Some people just don't like to get invested in a foreign version of a game they technically aren't allowed to play. Playing on actual official english servers would make it a million times easier to just meet and communicate with random players ingame for example. It's... not that hard to understand.



    That's not how abusive relationships or the sunk cost fallacy work.

    EDIT: To elaborate on this, I have no idea what you mean by abusive relationships, but I see nothing abusive about people enjoying a certain version of a game.

    When it comes to the sunk cost fallacy though, the entire premise of that is continuing to spend resources on an investment (physical, psychological, or whatever), despite no-longer considering the final result of the investment worth the actual cost, simply because you consider the original investment (the sunk cost) as part of the value of the result. People staying on the JP servers because they don't care about any of the things they would get from the NA version aren't doing it because they overvalue their investment in the JP version, it's because they'd essentially be resetting and paying a new cost for no benefit they value, while losing the results of their previous investment that they still actually consider valuable. It's basically the polar OPPOSITE of the sunk cost fallacy. (continuing to stay invested in something that provided valued results instead of choosing to start investing in something that would require re-obtaining those valued results).

    If you're waiting for a movie to get dubbed, and watching it subbed, then if it gets dubbed in the middle of you watching it, choosing to keep watching the sub even though you REALLY would prefer it dubbed, just because you already watched half of it that way would be a sunk cost fallacy. Choosing to keep watching the sub because you decided you aren't that interested in the dub anyway wouldn't be.

    On the other hand deciding to stop watching the sub, and watching the dub because "I spent so long waiting, I can't NOT watch the dub now that it's out", despite no-longer caring WOULD be.

    That said, I don't think anyone here is really doing that...
    I see what you're saying but the person used the phrase "abusive relationship" likely to imply that people have a sort of Stockholm Syndrome connection to the JP version. It means they feign wanting to remain on the JP server but actually would like to get going on the US server, which would meet your specified requisites of being a sunk cost fallacy example, it just requires more of a keen eye to identify.

    People often say the opposite of how they feel, due in part because of a sunken cost. It's weird but that's just what people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r00tabaga View Post
    Not sure why it bothers you guys so much that some would rather play a localized version. PSO2es looks uninteresting, I'll pass sorry. I'm certainly not going to spend money now when I know it's coming here in less than a year!
    The reasoning is somewhat simple yet, does take experience knowing the psyche of the common casual and elitist online playing gamer.

    The reason why they are so bothered is due to 1. The game finally coning west after what they all deem is "too late", knowing full well they had a english release ready to go all those years ago, but SEGA decided to make a deal with a certain asian publisher to not release PSO2 anywhere else, the west basically, for at least 5 years. Sega who has a glorious record of bad decision making, agreed to it. Likely their justification for it was thinking their would be no profit in the west afterall due to all the hacking and cheating that happens in the west, which devalues the franchise and turns players away thus no money, when in reality, it was their own incompetence for not taking proper security measures. Thus why alot of the players here will appear jaded to you.

    A second reason to why it bothers them is, Sega again likes to make bad choices. But they are not stupid. They all know full well, no matter how much any of them will actually try to justify it, that Sega can, and probably will, send a squad of GMs to Ship 2, to find and eradicate, all non jp IP players, and any masking their IP will eventually be found and banned too. It is within their right, anyone not of Japan is breaking ToS just being there, and SEGA only allowed it thus far because half of us was spending money on it. Doesnt matter if you put in 3000 hours and spent 3000 bucks, if they decide they wanna force every non JP to the western release, whether they will play it or not, it is gonna happen, and that thought, is in the back of their minds and it terrifies most of them. SEGA may also put a Cease and Desist on the translation group to help get all of us off easier.

    God I hate typing on a phone. A third reason is the impending loot box laws that may pass. If it does, then the AC scratch offs and anything similar to it, will likely not come west side. Its a f2p game afterall, the law is mostky made to protect minors, young children who are attracted to free to play games, thus they are under the belief the game will either become p2w, or alot of non cosmetic, non QoL items will be removed, thus no way to get that gambling rush many are fond for. This also effects my second reasoning and why Sega would be more justified to ban all non JP players, because if that law passes, any minor playing on the JP servers are subjected under the new law, and playing the game would be illegal, many legal issues could come as a result if said minors were found out and reported about it by say, Sega themselves or as simple as them talking about how Jimmy used moms credit card to gamble on the gacha and won sone high prized items on it, with his friends during gym class. Then tattle tell Bimmy reports it to the P.E teacher, thus the parents get called in, then they try to yell at Sega about it.

    So theirs your answer. Yes, alit of these players will try to rebuke, or laugh it off, or say its not true. But I been playing mmos and onliners for 20 years, I seen and done it all, I seen all sorts of mind sets and pretty much know how every type of online gaming person thinks. They can deny it and rebuke all they want, but in the back of their minds they know its true, they just do not want to accept it.

    Wait for the game, support it, I personally will spend on launch day up to 200 bucks for a few cosmetics but mostly, I want storage and inventory space, since I like to horde stuff to sort out all at once later. May even take a 2 week vacation to play pso2 and my other games while doing my daily training. Dont let the doomsayers deter ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipzo View Post
    I see what you're saying but the person used the phrase "abusive relationship" likely to imply that people have a sort of Stockholm Syndrome connection to the JP version. It means they feign wanting to remain on the JP server but actually would like to get going on the US server, which would meet your specified requisites of being a sunk cost fallacy example, it just requires more of a keen eye to identify.

    People often say the opposite of how they feel, due in part because of a sunken cost. It's weird but that's just what people do.
    Maybe I'm an outlier then.

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    I wouldnt like it if they intentionally removed all means for foreigners to use the JP server(can they even accomplish this though?), but considering MMOs eventually close anyway, I would probably prefer this over a natural death. Sure, my progress will be gone a little earlier, but in exchange I get to see a very big trainwreck

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    I can't wait for the influx of newer cosplayers. I need more Gene cosplayers.
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    Oh no! What am i going to do, this was my whole entire life, and now it's going to be gone. :C Guess i'll just go and troll other proxies. \_(ツ)_/

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    Quote Originally Posted by echofaith View Post
    I wouldnt like it if they intentionally removed all means for foreigners to use the JP server(can they even accomplish this though?), but considering MMOs eventually close anyway, I would probably prefer this over a natural death. Sure, my progress will be gone a little earlier, but in exchange I get to see a very big trainwreck
    That's just mean spirited.

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    It sounds mean, but when the ddos happened a few years ago it sure felt better than when NA psu pc/ps2 servers shutdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipzo View Post
    It means they feign wanting to remain on the JP server but actually would like to get going on the US server, which would meet your specified requisites of being a sunk cost fallacy example, it just requires more of a keen eye to identify.
    Personally, if there was some guarantee that my current JP account would transfer entirely and 100% to the West, without losing any items or progress, and without having locked content due to licensing and whatever, I would do it within the 1st week if not the 1st day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mits View Post
    Personally, if there was some guarantee that my current JP account would transfer entirely and 100% to the West, without losing any items or progress, and without having locked content due to licensing and whatever, I would do it within the 1st week if not the 1st day.
    Omg..... ...that would be awesome but it ain't happening......especially the collabs'

    I think it'll be kinda cool to see everyone start at lvl-1 and progress together, ....like it was really a new game

    Either way really has me excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kril View Post
    but bro, we need big brother government to tell us how & what we can spend our money on because grown adults cant learn any length of self control when it comes to managing their own income and just splurge money everywhere. So lets let the government with their filthy hands get a hold and regulate video games because hey, its a-okay to lose some of freedom right? if it means adults can learn to adult yes?
    Personal opinion: for me it's not a matter of banning gambling in games or not, it's a matter of game companies paying proper taxes if they are doing gambling in games, that way, at least, they will have to weight the costs / benefits + more restrictive age ratting. So basically, instead of letting them exploit the current situation, legalise it as gambling, with all the consequences.

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