[DurakkenX]

Let's see while there are two things I'd like to say I think the 1st is more important...so, but they both tie into each other...

I'd like it to be addressed that topics are being moved all over the place, locked, or deleted for little or no reason and the fact it was even admitted that the topic could be moved several times depending on replying people.

This to me just shows a laziness of moderators which I find disconcerting as there are a number of you guys and ALSO that this shows that the forums aren't being properly defined. Perhaps a set of guidelines should be there and a bit more effort than just moving a topic to what may or may not be right.

I've seen several topics that have nothing to do with gameplay moved to gameplay just because they are arguing stupid things about something that is connect to gameplay...and obviously everything has some sort of connection to it...but it doesn't not all are in ABOUT gameplay, further more I believe that wasn't that forum created to help and create guides? Why are so many "how do you do this with a that" topics get moved there? They are all answered or have topics. Moving these topics only serves to move down useful topics and make them less noticeable than they already are...

Again SEVERAL topics have been moved to the rants section because they discuss the failures of PSU, but they are not rants in any way. They are simply pointing out the negative. While some are redundant they shouldn't be moved because they simply DON'T BELONG THERE. A general Topics forum is there for the purpose of discussing the the topic, whether it be positive or negative, silencing one side only leads to the lack of credibility for the other. After all you can't know how good something is unless you have the bad to check it with.

So PLEASE define better what the topics are and, if necessary, expand and don't move threads, answer them or point them in the right direction and delete the badly placed, repetitive threads.

Of course I've said that before in a shorter version and got no response as one might expect from any mod, which is again not something that should happen.

The way it's going right now, people who are WILLING to answer the questions of these new people are being irritated more so because we have answered those questions, but none of it is being used and I feel that a large reason is the reasons stated above. I personally think it's disrespectful to the users of the forums and those that do so much work to provide info just to have it ignored and asked again and again because the place they should go to find stuff is just too hard to find stuff in. When you don't delete those topics you cause problems with the search, noone wants to go through 200 pages of people asking the same question just to find the one topic that should be within the first page, without searching that answers their question.

Secondly... I find that posts being deleted/moved/locked/not being answered without explanation or reasoning, regardless of how obvious it is to be inappropriate when a topic should have an answer to it. I find the lack of an answer to be bad form for a person of authority of any sort especially when the question is valid. It only shows that you are not able to provide a response and shouldn't be in that position.

Thanks for reading this, probably not since most won't, and your time for reading it, though most won't read it...and no this is not directed at anyone, but rather the general actions that most mods take, even though a recent annoying action did begin this >.> it is not meant towards that end. (i would quote history as an example but this is long enough and thus it'll most likely be misunderstood)



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[Blue-Hawk]

Actually, the topic creator gets an automated PM when a topic is moved from one forum to another.

[Soukosa]

Mods being lazy? Impossible... with all of these repeat topics, idiots spamming pointless things in every post, sigs breaking the archaic rules left and right... oh wait, most of that is usually ignored for a few days before it's actually taken care of, if ever.

The staff here feels like a flock of sheep with a drunk sheep dog. Very disorganized and whatnot. With so many mods here you'd think it'd be better, but oh wait, a good chunk of the mods rarely even visit the forums they're assigned to, if at all. Then rather often when a mod actually does something, it feels rather lazy. Like when locking a topic, they don't even mention why it's locked. Don't tell me the mods are over worked, I've seen better work down on other forums with fewer mods and in some cases, in places with much more chaos than here.

At times, it seems rather clear why this place almost nearly died at least once, the staff just doesn't care that much about it. Look at the sig rules, for instance, the staff refuses to adjust them even though they could vastly improved where most users have broadband now instead of dial up. But what happens? They refuse to even think about updating them. Too much tradition being held up here? What's the tradition isn't always the proper way of doing things. Kinda like with this guide issue I was told about, where a mod refused to delete someone's guides after they were banned. So what, does posting a guide here automaticly make it PSOW's property? Do you care that little about the work of your users?

Throw this all together and I really wonder some times how this place is still alive.

[Ryna]

To DurakkenX:
The Gameplay forum was always intended for technical discussion about the game. This includes guides and gameplay-specific questions. Detailed questions about items, missions, and classes are considered on-topic in that forum.

Threads are moved to Rants for a wide variety of reasons. Typically, if it is felt that the user is venting or complaining about the game, Rants is considered to be the most appropriate forum.

As for comments on locking threads, most threads will receive a comment (whether it be announcement or topic reply). Sometimes duplicate or particularly troublesome threads are locked without comment.

To Sounomi:
Tomeeboy is the one that established the forum signature rules and has not seen any reason to update them. Calling the staff "lazy" for that reason is an unfair accusation. Also, almost every moderator on staff has a full-time job. If an issue is not promptly dealt with, it is because we're at work!

[Weeaboolits]

It kinda' pisses me off when people rip on the mods. You forget that they're not obligated to do a damn thing, this is strictly volunteer work because they want to, it's not like they get paid or anything, and I think they're doing a damn good job, what with consistent updates and maintenance, not to mention that it's a hell of a lot better than the official boards. Quit givin' 'em flak, if you think you can do a better job, then get your ass out there and do it.

Also, as for the sig limit, it's not that big a deal. It's fairly simple, with proper formatting, to get any image you want within the limit unless it's a long gif. Also, some people still have dial-up, I myself had it only a short time ago, even with the limit place on signatures, the loading was terrible, if it were made larger, pages could become near innavigable for some dial-up users.

Kinda like with this guide issue I was told about, where a mod refused to delete someone's guides after they were banned. So what, does posting a guide here automaticly make it PSOW's property? Do you care that little about the work of your users?

Generally if you make something for someone, it becomes their property. :/

[McLaughlin]

On 2007-07-10 14:32, Sounomi wrote:
Mods being lazy? Impossible... with all of these repeat topics, idiots spamming pointless things in every post, sigs breaking the archaic rules left and right... oh wait, most of that is usually ignored for a few days before it's actually taken care of, if ever.

That's what the Mod Alert function is for. Everything I've reported has been dealt with, so don't start harping on the Mods when you aren't doing anything to help. In several topics, you're the one who acts as the instigator, and creates the turmoil that result in the topic needing to be locked/moved. I myself am guilt of this as well.

[Sgt_Shligger]

A banned member wants their guides removed? That's just bitter.

[DurakkenX]

Here I thought the point of the gameplay section was to help those who needed it in the most efficient way when the site could not provide it.

It's not efficient when there is hundreds of topics that have been answered in other topics as I already said
The site is severely lacking as of right now. the game has been out for a year and the site still doesn't have anything but a working item database

As far as being volunteers...I expect that people that volunteer should be mature enough to realize that by volunteering they are commiting a portion of time to do a job, whether paid or not, while not binding it is a contract of sorts. Having jobs and being volunteers is no excuse.

Ronin...when you make a guide or FAQ or any written literature you maintain rights to it...They have every right to tell them to remove it as it was posted in good faith.

Obsidian_Knight... The alert mod function is simply making the users mod the forum as the mods no longer have to check the forums...

Also like Sounomi said...there are just a heinous amount of mods when there only need to be a maximum of 5 I can maintain an eye on 6+ forums and I have full time college and working on many projects that require lots of work.


You're sitting back and saying "you should be thankful to mods the volunteer their time" and I have a very big problem with that when their "time" is being volunteered at all in most cases and more over they are disrespecting those people that actually spend the time to seek out, translate, and write up information which this site is now leeching off of. The fact is that this site is only still around with PSU because a few info gathers, no reason to mention names, post here and they all have the ability to create their own forum and site if they wanted to as far as I know, but don't.

so the question...why don't you create your own site if you have a problem... i have to say that most prolly see that there is no reason to split the community even more so than it is and that is prolly the only reason those people stay...either that or they actually are busy getting all that info that is being posted here for everyones benefit.

[Siyamak]

On 2007-07-10 19:21, DurakkenX wrote:

It's not efficient when there is hundreds of topics that have been answered in other topics as I already said

chances are that has nothing to do with mods being lazy and more to do with users being to lazy to do a search and just starting threads outright

[DurakkenX]

Then the mods should delete those new threads...which they don't. They just move them.