[Billy Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Delete

they still have the lvl 50 spells, meaning people dont actually have a choice in some areas.

I'm not sure you know what a "choice" is.

[SupaHype]

Originally Posted by amai_berry

I think a lot of unexpierenced players are coming into these topics and complaining about the Masterclasses. I think a lot of people were thinking something totally wrong. A lot of players can't seem to understand that the Masterclasses were never ment to replace the Forteclasses. The Masterclasses play just as differently as the Acro, Hybrid and Forte classes do. Masterclasses are just a new OPTION not a MUST! If you do not like MasterForce just go back to FT.

@SupaHype
You seem quite ignorant to me. A lot of people told you take into consideration that the speed and the 50 level PA's make MF stronger in the long run (or Ra TECHNICs hitting 5 targets etc.). But you completly ignore that and always come up with your explantion of comparing your FT Diga to your MF Diga. Which will be weaker as the TP of MF is weaker, but a MF can throw 3 Digas while the FT is just doing the animation to their second. So this could mean, that you will be 2 seconds faster on every monster. But as you seem to only want BIG NUMBERS maybe you should switch to FF/FM and throw some Jabroga around. Because you are not even comparing other TECHNICs but only Diga, which should not be your importants TECHNIC. You should also know that you will need a completly different Playstyle with MF than with FT. Just as you will need to play different with other classes. MF is not a FT...but a new class which needs a own playstyle. If you play MF right, MF is stronger than a FT, but if you play it wrong, and you only worry about big numbers than stay FT. Also try to play in parties with AT that will even help your MF more. And if you also want your MF to be able to do support than you should really consider going FT again. I like the fact that MF doesnt have to support anymore and you can just play and have fun. It doesn't always have to be fastest time and biggest numbers. And no matter what, even if MF did bigger numbers than a FT you would still be slower than any fighting class and anyone would most likely suggest using a fighter if you want to do missions in high speed.

Anyway, SupaHype, just really read some of the posts here and what they are stating about MF and don't be so locked up in big numbers and Diga only.

WHAT.... Amai i was really just going to leave everything alone and just Meet JAF and play peacefully. But i think your comment was a little out of order. Ive played as a force since DAY 1 of this game. If you havent Put some significant time into the force class (at LEAST several hundred hours)... then you are in no position to even comment to me. If you havent gone from FT 20 to MF, then you are in many cases not even capable of understanding what im saying. Thats not to say that no one can understand this without actually feeling the change, but if you are stating that i seem ignorant to you, after all the reasons and stats i listed, then something is wrong with you.

I play this Character Amai.... i dont have to read about the differences, I play the differences... And no the speed is a slight increase more like 5 (FT) to 6 (MF) check you tube... ... You would know this if you PLAYED the class, not just read about it.

Are you even a force... what level are you/your spells.

Have you actually PLAYED the differences, or are you just reading the stuff from posts and hearing this from others.

I didnt just come in ranting, no i listed the stat differences. You dont have to fully agree with me as there is some realm of opinion here. But if you missed this, then most of this is going way over your head.... Get some force hours first then come back and post with a little more experience in yours statement. I have over 1000 as a force alone... i know what im talking about. Like i said you dont have to agree with all, but lets not pretend like im not saying anything that makes sense.

And any one knows that diga is an easy spell to track damage with. thats why i chose to mention it... Experience would have told you that.... I have 16 other attack spells IN MY PALLET that i use regularly, 13 of them over level 31. and RA-Spells arent the only ones that techers use....

Read all my posts... i go into extreme detail on what im saying...

[redroses]

Originally Posted by SupaHype

WHAT.... Amai i was really just going to leave everything alone and just Meet JAF and play peacefully. But i think your comment was a little out of order. Ive played as a force since DAY 1 of this game. If you havent Put some significant time into the force class (at LEAST several hundred hours)... then you are in no position to even comment to me. If you havent gone from FT 20 to MF, then you are in many cases not even capable of understanding what im saying. Thats not to say that no one can understand this without actually feeling the change, but if you are stating that i seem ignorant to you, after all the reasons and stats i listed, then something is wrong with you.

I play this Character Amai.... i dont have to read about the differences, I play the differences... And no the speed is a slight increase more like 5 (FT) to 6 (MF) check you tube... ... You would know this if you PLAYED the class, not just read about it.

Are you even a force... what level are you/your spells.

Have you actually PLAYED the differences, or are you just reading the stuff from posts and hearing this from others.

I didnt just come in ranting, no i listed the stat differences. You dont have to fully agree with me as there is some realm of opinion here. But if you missed this, then most of this is going way over your head.... Get some force hours first then come back and post with a little more experience in yours statement. I have over 1000 as a force alone... i know what im talking about. Like i said you dont have to agree with all, but lets not pretend like im not saying anything that makes sense.

And any one knows that diga is an easy spell to track damage with. thats why i chose to mention it... Experience would have told you that.... I have 16 other attack spells IN MY PALLET that i use regularly, 13 of them over level 31. and RA-Spells arent the only ones that techers use....

Read all my posts... i go into extreme detail on what im saying...

The first part of your comment (If you havent Put some significant time into the force class (at LEAST several hundred hours)... then you are in no position to even comment to me.) is why I say you are ignorant. Just because you have 1000+ hours doesn't make you the best player or even a good one. And being so stuck up isn't really nice. Because you could have 5000+ hours and I wouldn't care, as that tells me nothing about you except that you have much time on your hands, what you do with that time in PSU is something different. I won't tell you how many hours I have on my Force as that should have nothing to do with anything.

What I was trying to say is that you made this Topic only stating how weak MF is to FT, by comparing Diga. Why don't you compare a MF Dambarta to that of a FT? Or MF Radiga to FT Radiga? Or at least compare Diga between the two in a timeframe of ten seconds and see who shots more Diga and sum it up.

And no where have I said that I (or any other Techers) only use Ra-spells or should just use Ra-spells, so that part of your comment is weird. I think the only time I mentioned Ra-spells was when I said they hit 5 Targets as MF.

And I do think you should get some more Spells over lv 41. I do not know how many you have over lv 41. but I think from your post you only have Diga over 41? If that is so, than you should really get more TECHs over 41 to really be able to compare MF to FT. I am not saying this to be rude or anything! I just think you should maybe consider doing this, because other wise you aren't comparing FT and MF fair in my opionion.

I am really not trying to be rude, but I also think it's not fair of you to say MF is shitty if you don't compare MF fair to FT.

[SupaHype]

Originally Posted by amai_berry

The first part of your comment (If you havent Put some significant time into the force class (at LEAST several hundred hours)... then you are in no position to even comment to me.) is why I say you are ignorant. Just because you have 1000+ hours doesn't make you the best player or even a good one. And being so stuck up isn't really nice. Because you could have 5000+ hours and I wouldn't care, as that tells me nothing about you except that you have much time on your hands, what you do with that time in PSU is something different. I won't tell you how many hours I have on my Force as that should have nothing to do with anything.

What I was trying to say is that you made this Topic only stating how weak MF is to FT, by comparing Diga. Why don't you compare a MF Dambarta to that of a FT? Or MF Radiga to FT Radiga? Or at least compare Diga between the two in a timeframe of ten seconds and see who shots more Diga and sum it up.

And no where have I said that I (or any other Techers) only use Ra-spells or should just use Ra-spells, so that part of your comment is weird. I think the only time I mentioned Ra-spells was when I said they hit 5 Targets as MF.

And I do think you should get some more Spells over lv 41. I do not know how many you have over lv 41. but I think from your post you only have Diga over 41? If that is so, than you should really get more TECHs over 41 to really be able to compare MF to FT. I am not saying this to be rude or anything! I just think you should maybe consider doing this, because other wise you aren't comparing FT and MF fair in my opionion.

I am really not trying to be rude, but I also think it's not fair of you to say MF is shitty if you don't compare MF fair to FT.

Ok Amai, i didnt say it was S*itty, i said it needed adjusting. Not that it was all bad, just that it needed work. the Cons outweigh the pros... a little too much.

I actually have 6 or 7 techs over 41, not just diga... again, 13 total over 31, im on the game now in Parum east, uni 2 if you want to check, I never ever ever said im the best Phantasy star Player, Never anything like it, But if you do something for 1000 hours then you have to have at least some familiarity with it. And there are alot more people who have logged more hours than me.

All the techs do less damage not just Diga. If you played as any other class then switched and you did less damage when all the posts say you are supposed to do more, then you might feel a little odd about that too. and check the you tube post for the speed difference, its not that much. an FT with a Har Quick is nearly the same speed. (that even cuts away another MF bonus).

I dont question your time as a force to make u feel bad, we all had lower level Char at some point. I have a FG who is like 75, but i aint here complaining about his shortcomings, i dont think ive done enough with him to do so... But i have with FT, I said that so you could actually feel the difference in game and not just read it on paper. You also called me ignorant, that was rude, especially if i have more experience with the certain character type than you do. NOT all of PSU or video games in general, just the FT MF switch.

i didnt post this to start an argument, just to make a petition to sega that i felt that this needed adjusting. Just like people make Shenmue 3 petitions and others. When Grinding broke weapons someone petitioned and sega fixed it. When cheating occurred people complained (some did) and sega fixed it. When we werent getting updates for months someone petitioned and sega fixed it. Im sure some called that person names but im glad he did cause we started getting updates faster. We pay every month for updates to this game, so if something aint working right, we shouldnt just accept it the way that it is, we should petition sega to fix it. And thats what i did. This ruckus we all started might possible cause sega to make the adjustments necessary to make the class more fun to play in the end. I dont think ive ever heard anyone say that the force clases are TOO POWERFUL.. so hopefully we will get something. Try to look at my letter that way.

[BahnKnakyu]

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

[Inazuma]

SupaHype, calm down for a bit and try to understand me here. you keep saying FT does more damage than MF but you arent looking at the big picture. the 2 most important things when it comes to figuring out damage are power and speed. you need to consider both of them when determining actual damage.

i did some tests before and figured out that MF casts click techs 17% faster than FT. now if you take this speed into consideration when comparing the 2 types, you will see that MF is really the one putting out more damage overall.

now if we have an open mind and factor in everything, which includes using buff items as MF, higher SE numbers, more targets, longer duration of hold techs, hitting more often thanks to more range/size/speed etc, and not forgetting about FT being able to boost its stats 7% higher than MF, MF ends up being roughly 20% to 30% stronger than FT.

*edit* i have about 8 thousand hours of psu force experience, in case you were wondering.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Originally Posted by Inazuma

*edit* i have about 8 thousand hours of psu force experience, in case you were wondering.

Time spent AFKing your techs doesn't count as experience...

[amtalx]

*sigh*

Why does everyone try to equate lots of play time with being good? Guess what? People with low IDs suck too. But since we are using faulty logic, my ID # is 79, so I'M BETTAR THAN U.

[darkante]

Originally Posted by amtalx

*sigh*

Why does everyone try to equate lots of play time with being good?

Because, they think one will get automaticely better if you spent more time playing.
Sure, that can help a bit, but this game isn´t that complicated so anyone can easiely have just as good stragegi at a much shorter time.

It´s all about brain power not playtime.

[SupaHype]

Originally Posted by Inazuma

SupaHype, calm down for a bit and try to understand me here. you keep saying FT does more damage than MF but you arent looking at the big picture. the 2 most important things when it comes to figuring out damage are power and speed. you need to consider both of them when determining actual damage.

i did some tests before and figured out that MF casts click techs 17% faster than FT. now if you take this speed into consideration when comparing the 2 types, you will see that MF is really the one putting out more damage overall.

now if we have an open mind and factor in everything, which includes using buff items as MF, higher SE numbers, more targets, longer duration of hold techs, hitting more often thanks to more range/size/speed etc, and not forgetting about FT being able to boost its stats 7% higher than MF, MF ends up being roughly 20% to 30% stronger than FT.

*edit* i have about 8 thousand hours of psu force experience, in case you were wondering.

That casting figure of 17% makes sense.... people have been posting 2 of 3 for FT vs MF. thats about 5 of 6 like i mentioned.


Hey Inazuma Thanks for the logical response. How are you feeling about the class overall... MF. Im going to max out the class (im at 12) and hopefully wait for sega to at least give me 2000 HP... . Maybe i can avoid more 1 hit kills...1 hit kills at level 150 that didnt happen at 140 are somewhat frustrating... Thanks again....