[TecherRamen]

Originally Posted by Pillan

30 levels of tech, 30% increase in implicit element, S rank equipment versus B rank, and a speed bonus. You do realize how much more power that adds up to, right?

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[Cracka_J]

Originally Posted by Inazuma

skill is important to psu, but race, type, stats and equip make all the difference in the world.

Difference in DPS. That's all.

Since you've made it very clear that DPS is all you care about, it's obviously an argument I won't ever be able to win with MF. I know that.

DPS however, does not make the game to me. It never has, and it never will. If that's the bottom line of why you play PSU, then yes, go level your M Cast FM and be happy. Just don't expect everyone else to conform to how *you* enjoy playing.

I like MF for what it is, and yes, I'm happy with it. If that's how the game is enjoyable for me, why should you care?

[Magus_84]

Originally Posted by Cracka_J

Difference in DPS. That's all.

Since you've made it very clear that DPS is all you care about, it's obviously an argument I won't ever be able to win with MF. I know that.

DPS however, does not make the game to me. It never has, and it never will. If that's the bottom line of why you play PSU, then yes, go level your M Cast FM and be happy. Just don't expect everyone else to conform to how *you* enjoy playing.

I like MF for what it is, and yes, I'm happy with it. If that's how the game is enjoyable for me, why should you care?

While I agree with what I assume is the intent of your post (play the game to enjoy it), I have two issues with it.

1. It's self-defeating, sorta. "I enjoy it this way, therefore the inherent imbalances are fine." Though considering how unlikely it is that ST will balance out the differences between techs and melee/guns, it's not so bad. Probably the best way to go about things, really. Main problem is that (despite the bitching), there are actual issues with the game balance. Not necessarily Masterforce specifically, but tech-related. And since it's both new and shiny and is all offensive techs, all the time...it bears the brunt of the bitching.

2. With regards to Masterforce...your enjoyment comes at the expense of others'. Much the same way that an "uber" FM's enjoyment comes at the expense of everyone else's. He kills enemies too fast, you kill framerates and sear retinas too fast. Hopefully the tech visual nerf will fix some of this.

[autumn]

T_T @ tech nerf

[Jose!]

Originally Posted by Magus_84

While I agree with what I assume is the intent of your post (play the game to enjoy it), I have two issues with it.

1. It's self-defeating, sorta. "I enjoy it this way, therefore the inherent imbalances are fine." Though considering how unlikely it is that ST will balance out the differences between techs and melee/guns, it's not so bad. Probably the best way to go about things, really. Main problem is that (despite the bitching), there are actual issues with the game balance. Not necessarily Masterforce specifically, but tech-related. And since it's both new and shiny and is all offensive techs, all the time...it bears the brunt of the bitching.

2. With regards to Masterforce...your enjoyment comes at the expense of others'. Much the same way that an "uber" FM's enjoyment comes at the expense of everyone else's. He kills enemies too fast, you kill framerates and sear retinas too fast. Hopefully the tech visual nerf will fix some of this.

Hell. Don't blame FM's for Doing Their Job Right and the party not being able to freakin keep up. and MF Framerate? GET A DECENT PC!

[Magus_84]

Originally Posted by Jose!

Hell. Don't blame FM's for Doing Their Job Right and the party not being able to freakin keep up. and MF Framerate? GET A DECENT PC!

I can handle one 41+ Dambarta at point blank without slowdown. Any more, it gets iffy.

The "sears retinas" part of that was the more important one.

[Cracka_J]

Originally Posted by Magus_84

While I agree with what I assume is the intent of your post (play the game to enjoy it), I have two issues with it.

1. It's self-defeating, sorta. "I enjoy it this way, therefore the inherent imbalances are fine." Though considering how unlikely it is that ST will balance out the differences between techs and melee/guns, it's not so bad. Probably the best way to go about things, really. Main problem is that (despite the bitching), there are actual issues with the game balance. Not necessarily Masterforce specifically, but tech-related. And since it's both new and shiny and is all offensive techs, all the time...it bears the brunt of the bitching.

2. With regards to Masterforce...your enjoyment comes at the expense of others'. Much the same way that an "uber" FM's enjoyment comes at the expense of everyone else's. He kills enemies too fast, you kill framerates and sear retinas too fast. Hopefully the tech visual nerf will fix some of this.

Most of what your saying revolves around the tech visuals though, something I've said before that while I disagree with it, I do think it should be implemented with the option for PC users to toggle them if they desire.

The issues others are bringing up, and the main issue that this thread is addressing, is that MF sucks because of it's DPS. That's what I have a problem with, and what I've been posting about. The tech nerf/adjustment issue is a totally different problem then what's being discussed here, and there's many other threads that have been made about it. So while I agree with what you're saying, I think you missed what I was debating.

[Erkthemerc]

After reading all this stuff...
I have come to see that...
every class needs to be nerfed...
We are all to strong, we get too much cash too fast, level too fast, and have PA's that level too fast. I miss the pre-AoI days where people played together nicely and helped each other out. Now the game is not so fun...
We only see the DPS that we do, no one plays to have fun any more.
This I blame on the constant ways that the game is made easier...
I hope that the game is fixed and made interesting again.

[NOC G4ME v2]

indeed masterforce is weaker...
but its ment for the masters!
=b

[NOC G4ME v2]

and if they ever decide to come out with that new expansion that ive been hearing about...
and how you die soo easily on S3 cant wait lol
^_^