[AquaFlare7]

Well, I was just sitting here thinking in my boredom. If you think about it (unless your trying to get a slime drop) piping with droids may in fact be faster. Here is what I started doing with some of my droid characters - When you have nothing better to do buy 10 stacks of telepipes and lay each x10 down by the telepipe spot on p2. Set telepipe to your main action grid. pipe in, pipe out, wash rinse and repeat. I even started doing this with my FOnewearl for the Redria slimes, and I notice a definate increase in pipes/hour.

EDIT: If it was already said before then owell. It was kind of a spur of the moment thing.

EDIT 2: Another plus of using telepipes over ryuker is that the slimes don't have quite enough time to kill themselves off as they tend to do while I cast ryuker >_<

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[dude3282]

Hmm, I don't know of anyone who's ever tried this, they just see that 2 trifluids are cheaper than 100 telepipes, and assume that it'd be less hassle with a fleshie than a droid. Now that I think about it, there is a teeny bit of casting animation for Ryuker, and none when I pop a pipe with my Racaseal, IIRC. Makes sense, I guess.

[lain2k3]

Once you set up the pipes on the floor for droid, its does become significantly faster, but you have to account for the time spent setting up.

I prefer piping with driods...

[Ketchup345]

It is faster, but can sometimes take a huge toll on your bank account, especially if you are unlucky.

One perfect example:
When piping for a Demo Comet, Kafka had to kill 40 Mil Lilies. Lets use the assumed average of 1/512 for rare enemies.

512/9 (9 because of the Waterfall Tears room) = 57 Pipes per Mil
57x350= 19,950 Meseta on piping one Mil
19,950x40= 798,000 Meseta for His Demo Comet (an item with a 1/2 average)
And Mils are the easiest thing to pipe (since you can get a max of 9 in one room).

I know Meseta is often not a problem for many people, but when piping 40 Mils, you are using almost a whole bank account, meaning that soon you will have to transfer some Meseta from another character, or put piping on hold. And there are people who have a problem with Meseta (ones trying to raise multiple Mags).

Now this can be worse on some of the items with a worse drop rate (such as 1/22 or 1/205), especially if Lady Luck is not your friend.

[AquaFlare7]

On 2004-07-07 08:29, Ketchup345 wrote:
It is faster, but can sometimes take a huge toll on your bank account, especially if you are unlucky.

One perfect example:
When piping for a Demo Comet, Kafka had to kill 40 Mil Lilies. Lets use the assumed average of 1/512 for rare enemies.

512/9 (9 because of the Waterfall Tears room) = 57 Pipes per Mil
57x350= 19,950 Meseta on piping one Mil
19,950x40= 798,000 Meseta for His Demo Comet (an item with a 1/2 average)
And Mils are the easiest thing to pipe (since you can get a max of 9 in one room).

I know Meseta is often not a problem for many people, but when piping 40 Mils, you are using almost a whole bank account, meaning that soon you will have to transfer some Meseta from another character, or put piping on hold. And there are people who have a problem with Meseta (ones trying to raise multiple Mags).

Now this can be worse on some of the items with a worse drop rate (such as 1/22 or 1/205), especially if Lady Luck is not your friend.

If your in ultimate mode you should have close to max meseta in bank and on hand. Even if you drain your entire bank it is very easy to get more meseta, and your example of the 1/2 drop was just plain bad luck.

[lain2k3]

I have never, ever had a *negative* problem with meseta. If anything, my only meseta incidents where when I maxed my money on my ramarl and hunewearl simultaneously. My forces and droids reach ultimate with a full bank account and plenty to spare, even after buying fluids and pipes and mates.

Meseta is NOTHING. Not even 800,000 meseta.

[Ketchup345]

On 2004-07-07 08:39, AquaFlare7 wrote:
If your in ultimate mode you should have close to max meseta in bank and on hand. Even if you drain your entire bank it is very easy to get more meseta, and your example of the 1/2 drop was just plain bad luck.

Like I said, Meseta is not a problem to most players. But it is to some people (how many Mags are you currently raising?). And anyway, after you reach 2857 pipes, you will have to move Meseta over from a different character (stoping the piping for a short time), or hope you have a large amount on your character.

That was bad luck for a 1/2 drop, but there is a chance that you will reach 40 when piping for 1/22 drops. Also, most rare enemies would take more pipes to find.

I do have a problem with Meseta, especially since I don't get maxed banks of Meseta when I reach Ultimate, I useually end up with ~350k. I am also trying to raise multiple Mags (mostly Rati).

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[AquaFlare7]

On 2004-07-07 08:50, Ketchup345 wrote:

(how many Mags are you currently raising?).

You are the exception to every rule

[cHaOsMaZtA]

Yeah, I know telepipes take absolutely NO time at all to use and then begin warping, and that ryuker takes about 1 or 2 seconds to cast, but I really didn't think it would make a difference in # of pipes per hour. I seem to usually do about 3 pipes per minute, and it usually seems the same for droids and fleshies. Someone should do an experiment and see if it really does make a difference.

[PaleKid15]

Reasons i dislike piping with droids:

1- If you hit A too fast, you use 2 pipes at once.
2- If you aren't paying too much attention (if you are paying alot of attention, piping is quite boring) you can end up stranded with no pipes.
3- VERY annoying to split slimes
4- I have no/money-- on most of my chars

If you include setup time, and the time you would need to relace all the money you spent, piping with droids is slower in the long run.