[eXo]

I was just wondering where my fellow PSO world goers stand on this issue and what re your opinions about Arnold.

[rena-ko]

its barbaric and medieval to use execution as method to punish crime.

[eXo]

Yes i agree and regaurdless of what he did or didnt do 21 years ago,he has since written multiple childrens books been a standout convict in the scared stright program and has also been a nobel peace prize finalist 5 times.

[Jehosaphaty]

On 2005-12-13 15:10, rena-ko wrote:
its barbaric and medieval to use execution as method to punish crime.

you do the crime, you pay the price. cliche yes. but its always been an eye for an eye since the beginning of time. hell, in some cultures you grab the death penalty for something such as stealing. can we, though, as humans justify the taking of said life? my biggest beef is that arnold was even given the opportunity to pardon the man. if the court system found him guilty in fair process, who is arnold to go back against their decision?

On 2005-12-13 15:16, eXo wrote:
Yes i agree and regaurdless of what he did or didnt do 21 years ago,he has since written multiple childrens books been a standout convict in the scared stright program and has also been a nobel peace prize finalist 5 times.

whoopdeedo. he wrote some books, said hes sorry. noble peace prize finalist or not, does that all add up enough for him to have been pardoned?



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[ABDUR101]

My stance on murder, you take someone's life in cold blood and without remorse, you lose your rights as a person.

However, in the time he's been in prison, he's changed to a voice of reason. He's written books, he's spoken against what he's done and encouraged youth to learn from his mistakes.

You don't silence a voice of reason, someone who's been down the path and is trying to protect and stop what they started. The family's that lost loved ones, they got their revenge, and thats all it came down to. However, getting revenge is no different than what the Crips and opposing gangs do every day.

Someone fires a shot, then there's a shot of vengeance, and back and forth it goes. The families got their revenge, at the cost of any and all good Tookie could have done to persuade others from going down the same path.

[eXo]

Yea i agree with you on the eye for an eye theory but we must remember that he was convicted on word of mouth, there was no DNA or fingerprints just thats the guy arrest him although we all kinda know he did it

[Blitzkommando]

He caused more harm than anything, what with starting one of the worst gangs in California's history. He killed, he got what he deserved.

[Parn]

On 2005-12-13 15:26, ABDUR101 wrote:
However, getting revenge is no different than what the Crips and opposing gangs do every day.

Indeed! And when someone downloads MP3s, they committed a crime and thus are just as horrible a person as say, Adolf Hitler, who also committed crimes!

Isn't oversimplifying things great? I mean, we could have a sample scenario, like say... this guy named Billy. Billy is stronger than everyone else in the village! We could have Billy maul your entire family's skulls into pulp, but he doesn't deserve death for that. Why, just two days ago, he walked an old lady across the street! And what about all the driveways he shoveled all the snow off of during the last two winters? Man, his strength came in handy that time! For real. He should totally live.

[Solstis]

Let us all decide what the limits of redemption are.

[ABDUR101]

On 2005-12-13 17:08, Parn wrote:
Indeed! And when someone downloads MP3s, they committed a crime and thus are just as horrible a person as say, Adolf Hitler, who also committed crimes!

Isn't oversimplifying things great? I mean, we could have a sample scenario, like say... this guy named Billy. Billy is stronger than everyone else in the village! We could have Billy maul your entire family's skulls into pulp, but he doesn't deserve death for that. Why, just two days ago, he walked an old lady across the street! And what about all the driveways he shoveled all the snow off of during the last two winters? Man, his strength came in handy that time! For real. He should totally live.

Except this came down to a 'tit for tat' game. More so to please people that needed pleasing.

Prison is a form of rehabilitation, not just to 'keep the bad people away'. Atleast he acknowledged what he did, and the path he led, and made steps to speak against it, to inform youths to not make the same mistakes he did.

Seriously, you have one bad son of a bitch, with a record, with a name for himself, and he's saying, look, all of that, it was wrong, learn from me, learn from my wrongs and lead a better life.

And honestly, if Hitler weren't such a fucking nut-case and had actually been incarcerated for his crimes, and if eventually turned around and said, 'My God, what I did was so wrong.' and became a voice for tolerance, yes, he'd still be a bad motherfucker that would spend the rest of his life in an extremely heavily guarded prison, but he'd atleast be a voice of reason, and that is a tool to be used against everything he stood for prior.

It's not about letting people off the hook for what they did, just because they turned over a new leaf. It's about letting them speak, when the voice they are trying to use, is a voice for bettering society, to stop the wrongs that they started, from causing more ripples.

Effectively, the moment he stopped beleiving that what he did was right, the people he killed, the disorder he caused, when he realised that all of that was wrong, and started speaking against it, thats when he became a benefit to society.

But whats it matter right? He's dead. So all we can do is hope the good he did do, comes to fruition in some youths from now on.