Thread: an observation on meteor cudgel

I don't think any armor od shield does that. I've seen that happen with all my weapons. Thats why I don't alway take the one with highest atp because with my shifta it maybe more powerful then something else.

I think it happens sometimes as a glitch. On psox, sometime when you equip units they dont register onto your base stat. you have to re-equip them.

That's interesting. Maybe shifta doesn't affect grinds?

You got me thinking with this so I had to do my own tests. I used a level 121 HUmar with base ATP of 1345. Following was the results using all the twin-class weapons I own that have been grinded to the maximum...

Shifta 20 - normal = difference
No weapon: 1809 - 1345 = 464
Double Saber: 2032 - 1567 = 465
Stag Cutlery: 2106 - 1640 = 466
Twin Brand: 2171 - 1705 = 466
Meteor Cudgel: 2489 - 1935 = 554
Monkey King Bar: 2253 - 1785 = 468
Partisan of Lightning: 2353 - 1875 = 478
Demolition Comet: 2389 - 1925 = 464

Shifta 30 - normal = difference
No weapon: 1983 - 1345 = 638
Double Saber: 2206 - 1567 = 639
Stag Cutlery: 2280 - 1640 = 640
Twin Brand: 2345 - 1705 = 640
Meteor Cudgel: 2697 - 1935 = 762
Monkey King Bar: 2428 - 1785 = 643
Partisan of Lightning: 2532 - 1875 = 657
Demolition Comet: 2563 - 1925 = 638

First thing to note was that the default Shifta bonus was 464 for Shifta 20 and 638 for Shifta 30. The Double Saber always got +1, and the Stag Cutlery and Twin Brand always got +2. The Meteor Cudgel got +90 and +124. The Monkey King Bar got +4 and +5. The Partisan of Lightning got +14 and +19. The Demolition Comet did not get any ATP bonus above the default. It seems that some weapons do indeed get different bonuses than others. However, it doesn't seem to be anything to do with total ATP or even grinds. If that were so then the Double Cannon would get the biggest bonus since it's the strongest ungrinded twin (it cannot even be grinded). Obviously that's not the case, here. Even the Demolition Comet is stronger than all of the ones I tried, except for the Meteor Cudgel, and that got no bonus at all. It just seems that each weapon gets a different built-in percentage bonus to Shifta.

Something tells me this is going to have to be tested on other weapon classes to see what happens.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: VulpesMundi on 2003-08-03 03:38 ]</font>

Wow... this is actually interesting. Here I woke up and thought that this would be just another day of people posting about red boxes they just found or mags they are too lazy to look up the guides for...

Either this is a simple fluke or bug, where we're missing something obvious... or it is a 'hidden' stat as important as ATP, Max Grind, etc.

Could be interesting if we needed another field for all weapons in the database...

I actually noticed something similar the other day. A Force had cast Shifta on me (I'm not sure of the level of it) and I had my Red Sword equipped. I went back to Pioneer 2 for some reason or another and was looking in my bank. I had the BKB+80 highlighted and noticed that equipping it would have actually lowered mt ATP. Weird.

so to speak, with shifta, meteor cudgel is the best twin out there? followed by the demo comet? nice.

i noticed that too, while i was grinding my srank twin. without shifta it was stronger than the ungrinded demo comet i found some time after i finished grinding the srank. and with shifta it was weaker...

A friend also had this happen after getting the Toy Hammer (offline C-Mode prize), pretty sure it will happen with that too.

I'll see if I can find out more details... If this is true could require a fairly big study...

[EDIT] - Tested on a lvl 131 HUcast with base ATP 1319.

My Swords test:

Weapon: With Shifta 20 - Without Shifta = Difference

No Weapon: 1744 - 1319 = +425
Berserk Calibur+10: 2065 - 1594 = +471
Flowen's Sword: 2099 - 1619 = +480
Last Survivor+31: 2173 - 1702 = +471
Dragon Slayer+34: 2197 - 1739 = +458
Chain Sawd+15: 2338 - 1874 = +464
Red Sword+52: 2562 - 2034 = +528
S-Rank Sword+250: 2474 - 2019 = +455
Flowen's Sword(3067): 2050 - 1575 = +475
Flowen's Sword(3083): 2065 - 1602 = +463
Flowen's Sword(3079)+9: 2096 - 1637 = +459

Weapon: With Shifta 30 - Without Shifta = Difference

No Weapon: 1945 - 1319 = +626
Berserk Calibur+10: 2241 - 1594 = +647
Flowen's Sword: 2278 - 1619 = +659
Last Survivor+31: 2350 - 1702 = +648
Dragon Slayer+34: 2368 - 1739 = +629
Chain Sawd+15: 2512 - 1874 = +638
Red Sword+52: 2761 - 2034 = +727
S-Rank Sword+250: 2645 - 2019 = +626
Flowen's Sword(3067): 2228 - 1575 = +653
Flowen's Sword(3083): 2238 - 1602 = +636
Flowen's Sword(3079)+9: 2268 - 1637 = +631

As you can see, the RED SWORD also has a bonus above and beyond what it should have - for only 15 extra ATP (and 198 less grind) over the S-Rank Sword it gets 101ATP more from the Shifta.

I'll try and check actual damage at lunch - the only other class I can test semi-effectively is Claws, but I don't have some of the good ones, and maybe some Partisans.

Need some people to test Daggers too.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Jazhara on 2003-08-05 03:23 ]</font>