Some PSOBB News from IGN

'The only people that are complaining about server-side saving and not being able to play offline and the very people that ruined the game in the first place, ie the cheaters.'

That's the very shallow thinking that is allowing it to happen. Tell me. Have you EVER played offline for anything?

Yes, you have. Was it to hunt for rares? Was it to unlock more areas? Was it to convert an enemy part into a weapon? Maybe you just started a new character, and the enemies online have too much hp for you, so you wind up being killed every 20 seconds.. you'd rather go offline to level up to say level 5 before going back online.. right?

Simply REMOVING offline play wasn't the way to go. This should be a game of choices, not restrictions.

This won't fix hackers. Nothing fixes hackers. Have you ever heard of a multiplayer game that never had cheating? Have you? No, because it's impossible. There is always a way around for people that want to be better than everyone else.

Do you know how many places in the world still charge per minute for you online? What about per megabyte? Yeah, you can say 'OH WELL THAT'S THEIR FAULT, THEY CAN PAY MORE FOR SOMETHING BETTER.' But, no, they can't. Nothing else is available. When they go online to play a game, they want to get their money's worth.. Not sit there paying to feed their mag. Not run around paying to do 50 level runs so they can get a rare. The old way, you'd be able to do this stuff offline for free, then bring it online later. Sure, hackers would be able to do this stuff in 5 seconds offline aswell, but who cares? Play a locked game if you want to keep out idiots. You'll need to anyway, even with server side saving.

They should have both a server with server side saving, and a server without. That would have showed they put in a little effort, and really noone would be complaining. (except the server side saving people cause they finally learned that people still CAN hack, even with it being this way)

This isn't a fix. This isn't a work around. This is a horribly thought out scheme to try to squeeze a bit more cash out of an old game. Hackers will still be there. Idiots will still be there. People that take rares, people that tag enemies for exp, they'll still all be there. This didn't fix anything, it just will make hackers have to work a bit longer to figure out a way. Why screw over the casual players.

You know why? People like you are why. There is no quick fix. There is no simple solution. Stop thinking there is. You'll see later, they'll find a way around, then you'll complain that they didn't try hard enough to stop them. So not only did you get your hopes up about no hackers, but your simple minded ideas f***ed over 56kers with one phone line, and people that pay per time or bandwidth they use, and people that just enjoy hunting offline and coming online to play with friends.

Thanks.

I have never cheated. I didn't cheat in diablo I or diablo II nor did I cheat in PSO. I like my offline mode of play, it allows me to quietly enjoy a game alone. I don't always want to include people.

As for the whole the is phantasy star ONLINE bit, you are just proving that you are the kind of consumer that big companies love! MMORPGs are a rip-off, now PSO is going to ONLY be a game for the people foolish enough to squander their money on a game that they HAVE to be online to play. I use a laptop as my gaming machine for a GOOD reason. I can play my games ANYWHERE! On the side of a mountian, in a break room, on my campus or even under a tree on a nice summer day! I like playing games offline because I have that kind of freedom. Sure I'd pay to play online.. but that is only to have acess to the LARGE player base that exists. While the whole time meeting people I never have before in places I might never visit.

Online only is a terrible trend that is being driven by profit margins.

is the game coming to us or is it going to be a no game. plz give me the news soon as possible!!

well put it this way i ant paying no fee to go online becasue i played the xbox version online. and i get charged up the you know what for paying a stupid hunters license its to much lay of the charge and plus two the game ant big like a massive online so why should we pay ??and plus 3 why in the blue moon did they take offline ?? thats stupid so we cant build are ch in the biggining and get hacked by other users it ant worth it!!!!!! sega if you hear this look what you did to dreamcast .now look if you cant take care of pso you ant taking care of your company i better see improvements!!

aww god, how hard is this for you to understand.

OFFLINE PLAY = EASY ACCESS TO CHEAT THUS RUINING THE GAME.

You keep coming up with this argument about wanting to play offline to level-up your character.

The whole idea of the game is co-operative multiplayer gameplay. The idea is you HELP each other. The whole idea behind PSO is TEAM PLAY. The only reason why people can solo alot of this game easily is because of hacked weapons.

Try playing the game how it was intended instead of cheating on yourself and taking the easy way out all the time. "oh...my friend game me this J Sword when he left the game"

The day you can go into a game with a weapon you found and it is still rare, the day when you can go into a game and know everybody has earned their level.......

If anyone remebers the amazing times on Dreamcast PSO before all this hacking and cheating, they too will agree it was the best times in PSO's history. If only we could find a way to go back to those good times....maybe, just maybe, BlueBURST is the way.

'aww god, how hard is this for you to understand.'

It doesn't seem you remotely understand the argument. Leave us, now.

'OFFLINE PLAY = EASY ACCESS TO CHEAT THUS RUINING THE GAME.'

If you ever played PSO PC online, you could see that they could do it online OR off. Either way was just as easy for them.

'The whole idea of the game is co-operative multiplayer gameplay. The idea is you HELP each other. The whole idea behind PSO is TEAM PLAY.'

Then why are they only taking the offline mode out now? Why did they take the time to write all those quests? Why are enemies easier to kill offline? No. Your argument has no merit.

'The only reason why people can solo alot of this game easily is because of hacked weapons.'

Actually, it's pretty easy to do without hacking too. Ever tried it? I guess you haven't.

'Try playing the game how it was intended instead of cheating on yourself and taking the easy way out all the time. "oh...my friend game me this J Sword when he left the game"'

You still seem to think everyone that supports offline mode are hackers? Why? Just because someone likes offline mode doesn't mean that they're a hacker.

'The day you can go into a game with a weapon you found and it is still rare, the day when you can go into a game and know everybody has earned their level....... If anyone remebers the amazing times on Dreamcast PSO before all this hacking and cheating, they too will agree it was the best times in PSO's history.'

DC PSO also had a good community back then, people that didn't WANT to cheat. Then someone came along that DID want to cheat. And what happened? That's right. He cheated. With enough persistance, they can cheat on this too.

'If only we could find a way to go back to those good times'

Well guess what. It's impossible. Your attitude in your post isn't what the it was like back then. Back then, people just didn't CARE. All they wanted to do was have fun.

'maybe, just maybe, BlueBURST is the way.'

By removing offline mode? No. Just look at the facts, guy. There has never been a game where if someone wanted to cheat, that they weren't able to work hard enough to eventually figure out how to cheat. This solves no problems, it just delays said problems and creates more in the process.


This is how to make everyone happy.

Server where you can bring offline chars on.

Server where characters are server side only.

Have them both. Both with the GMs. Have the GMs use strict rules.

No, this doesn't really solve 'problems' either. But it atleast gives 'OMG BE LEGIT OR BE GONE LMAO' people a place to think they're safe.

Also it gives easy access to 'HEY I HAVE A DOUBLE CANNON WANT TO BATTLE ME? NEWB!' people on their own little server.

What about us people that like offline. We just make a locked game on the offline char server. That way, we're our own GMs. People we don't want to play with, we never need to play with again. We'll never see a hacker, we'll never see someone accuse someone else of using hacked weapons, we won't have people that take every rare that falls, we won't have people that cast rafoie to tag the enemies and then leave the room to let everyone else do the battling, we won't have level 122 HUcasts on normal mode. Casual gamers had the right idea all along. Now you want to screw them over by forcing your rules on our gameplay? Well this community I just love. This just seems like revenge against us because you want to join our locked games and show off your '100% legit weapon's and your cool 'I KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M DOING' attitude.

Know what I have to say? Think before speaking, you're giving us a headache.

(Tired of being anonymous, but seeing as I can't register for an account.. I'll put a little insignia at the end of all of my rantings) -Cluw

Or so you believe. You people will blame the issues on offline play when it is really little script kitties. I DO socialize off of the computer, I like to get away from them. That is why I seldom want to play with other people online.

As for your cursing I don't really consider that necessary.

OFFLINE PLAY = EASY ACCESS TO CHEAT THUS RUINING THE GAME.



You are a bitter person. Calm down, I played PSO offline only for a long time before going online. Then finaly I went online with my yamato +23(I think, it may have been higher) and people were nothing but polite. There was NO acusation about my items being hacked. I heard people argueing about it but that didn't apply to me so I just left it alone.

You keep coming up with this argument about wanting to play offline to level-up your character.



Also playing offline allows me and my REAL LIFE freinds to play together. It is a fun break from D&D, senior level college courses and battlefeild 'nam. So it isn't just the leveling your character offline bit. You have to understand somepeople out there pay for their bandwidth... I don't I freeload on a buddies cable internet.



Try playing the game how it was intended instead of cheating on yourself and taking the easy way out all the time. "oh...my friend game me this J Sword when he left the game"



really bitter, dude chill you are making alot of acusations. You don't really know us and we don't really know YOU. Neither side can say that about the other. I find my stuff, it is part of the fun for me. In diablo I used to find the sets to give me something extra to do in between papers.




The day you can go into a game with a weapon you found and it is still rare, the day when you can go into a game and know everybody has earned their level.......



Why does the persons level matter. In the course of earning my level I have learned my character and aquired many good weapons and items. Some of which I gave to newbs to help them out.

People that don't earn their levels miss out on this and generaly have pretty sad characters. Also consider all the materia you find along the way. People cheating and getting levels without time are going to NOT have near the stats you will. Also there is you MAG which you raise to have the stats you want.

Alot doesn't happen when someone boosts their character though a trainer. I laugh at those people.

Drink some green tea, learn how hackers(properly called CRACKERS!) really work and stop posting ignorance based flames

maybe because that person is waiting for the day it is not shit.

'aww god, how hard is this for you to understand.'

It doesn't seem you remotely understand the argument. Leave us, now.

There is no offline play...its decided...you are wrong, Sonic Team and me are right.

'OFFLINE PLAY = EASY ACCESS TO CHEAT THUS RUINING THE GAME.'

If you ever played PSO PC online, you could see that they could do it online OR off. Either way was just as easy for them.

PSO PC never had server side saving, so you are wrong again.

'The whole idea of the game is co-operative multiplayer gameplay. The idea is you HELP each other. The whole idea behind PSO is TEAM PLAY.'

Then why are they only taking the offline mode out now? Why did they take the time to write all those quests? Why are enemies easier to kill offline? No. Your argument has no merit.

They are taking the offline mode out because of the fact that 99% of the cheating was done offline. Offline was for loners with no friends.

'The only reason why people can solo alot of this game easily is because of hacked weapons.'

Actually, it's pretty easy to do without hacking too. Ever tried it? I guess you haven't.

Online its hard for a force to survive in ultimate Seabed without a good team. I happen to have every version of PSO ever created, so I think I know whats what.

'Try playing the game how it was intended instead of cheating on yourself and taking the easy way out all the time. "oh...my friend game me this J Sword when he left the game"'

You still seem to think everyone that supports offline mode are hackers? Why? Just because someone likes offline mode doesn't mean that they're a hacker.

Why cannot you understand the benefits to PSO as a whole if offline is taken out of this game. Stop being so selfish and understand that it will improve the game 100%. All the fun of PSO is online meeting new friends enjoying new quests.

'The day you can go into a game with a weapon you found and it is still rare, the day when you can go into a game and know everybody has earned their level....... If anyone remebers the amazing times on Dreamcast PSO before all this hacking and cheating, they too will agree it was the best times in PSO's history.'

DC PSO also had a good community back then, people that didn't WANT to cheat. Then someone came along that DID want to cheat. And what happened? That's right. He cheated. With enough persistance, they can cheat on this too.

Yes they can cheat, but not everyone will be able to. You wont get your wanna be hackers spreading dupes around as much. You talk as if you dont even care that hackers and dupers ruined the game.

'If only we could find a way to go back to those good times'

Well guess what. It's impossible. Your attitude in your post isn't what the it was like back then. Back then, people just didn't CARE. All they wanted to do was have fun.

You seem to give up on things too easily. I on the other hand have hope and never say thing are impossible without trying first.

'maybe, just maybe, BlueBURST is the way.'

By removing offline mode? No. Just look at the facts, guy. There has never been a game where if someone wanted to cheat, that they weren't able to work hard enough to eventually figure out how to cheat. This solves no problems, it just delays said problems and creates more in the process.

It reduces the chance of people of cheating. I never said anywere it would 100% stop cheating. At least they are trying to do something about it. Take a look at FFX1.


This is how to make everyone happy.

Server where you can bring offline chars on.

Server where characters are server side only.

No, online pay only...hence why ST has decided to do this.

Have them both. Both with the GMs. Have the GMs use strict rules.

No, this doesn't really solve 'problems' either. But it atleast gives 'OMG BE LEGIT OR BE GONE LMAO' people a place to think they're safe.

Also it gives easy access to 'HEY I HAVE A DOUBLE CANNON WANT TO BATTLE ME? NEWB!' people on their own little server.

What about us people that like offline. We just make a locked game on the offline char server. That way, we're our own GMs. People we don't want to play with, we never need to play with again. We'll never see a hacker, we'll never see someone accuse someone else of using hacked weapons, we won't have people that take every rare that falls, we won't have people that cast rafoie to tag the enemies and then leave the room to let everyone else do the battling, we won't have level 122 HUcasts on normal mode. Casual gamers had the right idea all along. Now you want to screw them over by forcing your rules on our gameplay? Well this community I just love. This just seems like revenge against us because you want to join our locked games and show off your '100% legit weapon's and your cool 'I KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M DOING' attitude.

This is the classic argument of a cheater/duper. Why the hell do you think they take the time to make items rare in a game. 100% legit is the way ST wanted the game to be, and that is what they are striving for.

Know what I have to say? Think before speaking, you're giving us a headache.

You give me a headache with your contant whining about offline play.


(Tired of being anonymous, but seeing as I can't register for an account.. I'll put a little insignia at the end of all of m

OFFLINE PLAY = EASY ACCESS TO CHEAT THUS RUINING THE GAME.


You are a bitter person. Calm down, I played PSO offline only for a long time before going online. Then finaly I went online with my yamato +23(I think, it may have been higher) and people were nothing but polite. There was NO acusation about my items being hacked. I heard people argueing about it but that didn't apply to me so I just left it alone.

No I aint bitter, Im realistic. If offline play is allowed, it is possible to easily cheat. It is for the good of PSO that it is scrapped. Yamoto +23 is not a rare item.

You keep coming up with this argument about wanting to play offline to level-up your character.


Also playing offline allows me and my REAL LIFE freinds to play together. It is a fun break from D&D, senior level college courses and battlefeild 'nam. So it isn't just the leveling your character offline bit. You have to understand somepeople out there pay for their bandwidth... I don't I freeload on a buddies cable internet.

You in a minority, in the big picture people dont care for minorities. Life can be a bitch at times.


Try playing the game how it was intended instead of cheating on yourself and taking the easy way out all the time. "oh...my friend game me this J Sword when he left the game"


really bitter, dude chill you are making alot of acusations. You don't really know us and we don't really know YOU. Neither side can say that about the other. I find my stuff, it is part of the fun for me. In diablo I used to find the sets to give me something extra to do in between papers.

This guy has all the hallmarks of someone who supports cheaters. If he cannot back what Sonic Team are doing then he should simply stop playing the game. You can whine all you like about offline play, but the facts are that offline play incited the ease of cheating.


The day you can go into a game with a weapon you found and it is still rare, the day when you can go into a game and know everybody has earned their level.......


Why does the persons level matter. In the course of earning my level I have learned my character and aquired many good weapons and items. Some of which I gave to newbs to help them out.

Yes does matter. Why even have a level if it doesnt matter. Why not just give eveyone in the game every weapon and level them to 200 the minute they log on to PSO.

People that don't earn their levels miss out on this and generaly have pretty sad characters. Also consider all the materia you find along the way. People cheating and getting levels without time are going to NOT have near the stats you will. Also there is you MAG which you raise to have the stats you want.

You are meant to earn things in life, not just expect to have them from the offset. Hackers can dupe any mags they want, any level they want any weapon they want. The point is that they eefect the whole economy of PSO for everybody.

Alot doesn't happen when someone boosts their character though a trainer. I laugh at those people.

Drink some green tea, learn how hackers(properly called CRACKERS!) really work and stop posting ignorance based flames.

Heh, the only person who is ignorant here is yourself. You have no knowledge at all of what hacking can do and what it has dome to PSO.

There is no offline play...its decided...you are wrong, Sonic Team and me are right.

You haven't given me a reason why I was wrong.

PSO PC never had server side saving, so you are wrong again

You misread, get your eyes looked at. ONLINE they were able make weapons appear from stores and banks and even boxes.

They are taking the offline mode out because of the fact that 99% of the cheating was done offline. Offline was for loners with no friends.

Read what I said above. PSO PC was crowded with people doing all the cheating ONLINE rather than offline.

Online its hard for a force to survive in ultimate Seabed without a good team. I happen to have every version of PSO ever created, so I think I know whats what.

Big deal? Just cause you own a few games doesn't mean you know everything about it. Hell I own all of the quake series, that doesn't mean I know exactly how the bfg in quake 2 works. Owning every game in a series and saying that you know it all for that single reason.. whatever.. this will be my last reply to you, then.

Why cannot you understand the benefits to PSO as a whole if offline is taken out of this game. Stop being so selfish and understand that it will improve the game 100%. All the fun of PSO is online meeting new friends enjoying new quests.

Why can't you see that this isn't an end all solution. I agree that it can be fun meeting new people, and playing quests. But that's not the only fun in this game.

You seem to give up on things too easily. I on the other hand have hope and never say thing are impossible without trying first.

You're one of them, aren't you? You're the type of person that always says 'IT WAS BETTER IN THE OLD DAYS'. I really don't like people like you. The community changes, DEAL WITH IT. What is was is not what it will be. Thinking that such a horribly thought out idea will be the solution is WRONG.

It reduces the chance of people of cheating. I never said anywere it would 100% stop cheating. At least they are trying to do something about it. Take a look at FFX1.

Don't compare MMORPGs to this. Alot of MMORPGs alot of those people that write a program to do all the hard work (leveling, getting items/money for them) and then selling said producted things on EBAY. You really don't want people selling level 150 FOnewearls with level 30 techs and a psycho wand, do you?


No, online pay only...hence why ST has decided to do this.

What was wrong with the idea of having both server types? ST has made alot of wrong decisions along the line.


This is the classic argument of a cheater/duper. Why the hell do you think they take the time to make items rare in a game. 100% legit is the way ST wanted the game to be, and that is what they are striving for.

Once again, server side saving isn't the solve all problem, like you're suggesting it is right here.

You give me a headache with your contant whining about offline play.

Hey, cool comeback! Where'd you get that one? From Dr. Seuss?

I'm done with this conversation, it's obvious you'll never see what I'm talking about, and I'll never see through your cloud of arrogance to see if you really do have a point to all of this. -Cluw

here is an idea for st to think about... why not make an offline version and an online version of the game and sell them seperitly (who cares how its spelled) they make more money and keep everyone happy. then the people that really wanna keep go spend more money on the offline game and also buy the online game... seems that would work out

I am fighting these twits with ya man and they are as dense and marble slabs. Let them whine and complain. I'll laugh and little script kitties tear up the precious server side saving.

I am gald to see I am not the only one who sees things this way

I don't know if they will do that though.

Wow, I think you are the same one person defending this online only garbage. Honestly, I probably know alot more about hacking then you ever will. Hell i have probably written game code half awake that you couldn't understand.


Things I will bother to reply on:

This guy has all the hallmarks of someone who supports cheaters. If he cannot back what Sonic Team are doing then he should simply stop playing the game. You can whine all you like about offline play, but the facts are that offline play incited the ease of cheating.

--Wow, so instead of rationaly fighting my arguement you resort to name calling. I am not suprised. I DO NOT back sonic team, I never said anything about it. I think PSO is a good game that needs to be put out of its missery. I don't think that the offline play can be pointed to cheating.

I have to point our blizzard again. They are much better then sonic team and even their online servers for diablo II got hit by crackers and script kitties. It took some amount of time but once a crack or hex prog is made consider it over.


Yes does matter. Why even have a level if it doesnt matter. Why not just give eveyone in the game every weapon and level them to 200 the minute they log on to PSO.

--Because it would be extremely boring. Getting to level 200 is part of the fun.

at least this will give people (if it comes out in america and europe) a chance to play again. i had pso on the dreamcast, and not only did my username and password never work once, but the servers got taken down shortly after anyway. i only ever got to play the single player mode, which eventually gets boring and repetitive. hell, a pc version would mean new quests and updates whenever they get the chance.

it doesnt get much truer than that, look at sony playstations, the same thing is being done with them. with the hundreds of thousands of people playing a game, there is no way that 10 pound a month is need to pay the apparently 'rising server costs'. They are rolling in cash while laughing at the players.