PSU-Item: Grinder Synthesis Experimentation

[Remedy]

As per Tycho's topic about the Famitsu article and especially about the line about Grinder synthesis, I figured I'd see how much validity there is to the "Five at once is better than one at a time!" stuff.

Materials:

100x Grinder Base B
20x [B] Grinder B

High (+8 or better) Grinders will be italicized.

Grinders made 5 at a time:
Run 1: 5x +1
Run 2: 5x +1
Run 3: 5x +2
Run 4: 5x +3
Run 5: 5x +2
Run 6: 5x +4
Run 7: 5x +2
Run 8: 5x +2
Run 9: 5x +2
Run 10: 5x +9

Grinders made 1 at a time:
Run 1: +5, +1, +3, +1, +3
Run 2: +1, +2, +3, +2, +1
Run 3: +2, +2, +2, +1, +2
Run 4: +1, +1, +2, +2, +2
Run 5: +2, +1, +3, +1, +2
Run 6: +2, +3, +2, +1, +2
Run 7: +7, +3, +5, +2, +3
Run 8: +1, +1, +1, +1, +2
Run 9: +2, +3, +4, +2, +2
Run 10: +2, +2, +3, +5, +2


Take it as you will. Anyone who wishes to contribute their own data, feel free.

Final results: +1 x21, +2 x45, +3 x14, +4 x6, +5 x3, +7 x1, +9 x5

[Arislan]

Not enough data to really form a valid idea. I think the thought comes from the idea that you'll get 5 +10s all at once, so isn't that "better"?

[Remedy]

Well, no, the line went that you'd have better odds at getting high grinders making them in one shot than making them one at a time.

I know it's not enough data, but damn it, I don't have the cashflow (nor patience) for more testing right now. XD That's why I invited people to test with me!

[Dj_SkyEpic]

On 2007-01-11 22:07, Remedy wrote:
That's why I invited people to test with me!

Will do. I'm more of a 5 per synth though. I like the idea of getting 5 B+10 grinders in one go than 1 every 15 minutes.

Speaking of which... On the day of +3 luck (yesterday.) I was able to make exactly 5 B+10 Grinders during the last 10 minutes of luck. I hurried to grind my last few wands. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

But once We get A grinders, I will surely submit some data to your will.~

[Siertes]

Grinders made 5 at a time:
Run 1: 5x +4
Run 2: 5x +3
Run 3: 5x +1
Run 4: 5x +3
Run 5: 5x +3
Run 6: 5x +1
Run 7: 5x +8
Run 8: 5x +1
Run 9: 5x +3
Run 10: 5x +3
Run 11: 5x +7
Run 12: 5x +2
Run 13: 5x +1
Run 14: 5x +2
Run 15: 5x +3
Run 16: 5x +2
Run 17: 5x +1
Run 18: 5x +8
Run 19: 5x +1
Run 20: 5x +9

Grinders made 1 at a time:
Run 1: +8, +2, +1, +2, +3
Run 2: +2, +1, +2, +2, +3
Run 3: +8, +2, +4, +5, +1
Run 4: +8, +4, +3, +3, +4
Run 5: +3, +2, +1, +1, +3
Run 6: +5, +3, +3, +3, +4
Run 7: +3, +1, +3, +1, +4
Run 8: +1, +3, +5, +1, +3
Run 9: +2, +1, +4, +5, +4
Run 10: +2, +1, +1, +4, +1

Totals: +1 x44, +2 x24, +3 x43, +4 x12, +5 x4, +7 x5, +8 x13, +9 x5

I decided to do 20 runs instead of 10 for five at once.

Four of the twenty "Five at once" runs yielded grinders of +5 and above while only seven of the fifty "One at a time" runs yielded +5 and above. That's 25% above +5 vs 14% above +5. More info is certainly needed but I suppose my info would support the recent news. Hope this helps in some way.

[Reiichi]

Synthing 5 at a time it feels like roughly a 1% deal for B+10s, and B+9s feel just about as rare as B+10s. I haven't bothered with 1 at a time for like months lol.



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[WildArms2]

Hi, i use to run a grinder shop and inorder to make sure I was making a profit i tracked the grinder i was making for a while here are my results

Total grinder made 3260

b1 535
b2 875
b3 485
b4 290
b5 355
b6 215
b7 170
b8 195
b9 80
b10 60

all made 5 at a time...

[SolomonGrundy]

*sigh*

I've made 200 c rank grinders...ever.

of those, the only grinders I ever got over +6 were made five at a time.
Sadly, I do not have the money to do another good run with them