FObeast Bad Idea?

[Holo]

Just wondering, since i am currently a wartecher, but i find that i love playing support (resta, resverser, buffs, debuffs). ALthough this is hard because I have no use of rods so i am constantly switching, and I cant extend my support spells range because of the lvl 20 tech cap.

Though a fobeast could work for support, actuallying doing damage to enemies with attack may be a different story.

As a beast my tp isnt greatat lvl 58 if i were to become a fortecher mytp would be only 420. I think id be really gimped seeing as how even my atp would also be a laughable 268.

So i really do not want to restart and make a newman cause i have 330 hours in my character. So in your opinion is a FObeast any good?

*note to the newman elitist, just dont say how your tp is monstorous, i want real suggestions.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I think as a beast, you're best sticking with wartecher, maybe guntecher... but probably not. Fortetecher, I don't think is a very good idea. Plausible, but probably not that good.

THE JACKEL

[Garnet_Moon]

My TP is 1191, but i'm lv70, fT10, plus I get the bonus for race/class AND an extra 5% for being a Newearl.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

You'll do just fine once you get some levels in. You won't hit as hard as I do, but you will certainly be able to support better as you level your techs and buffs up; being that you'll probably have several hundred more HP than me, and enough defense to last too.

[Nani-chan]

I think about these things all the time.

To many people it's not something is "bad" it's something is "better"

I heal about 700-800 as wt.

Are you male beast? As female beast wt (9), lvl 60 my base tp is 351.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I've seen CASTs who go Fortetecher and they were a good help to the team, and I've played as a Newman Hunter and I don't think they're too bad either, so go ahead and go Beast Fortetecher. IMO nobody in this game sux. It may not be the best for those who are obsessed with numbers, but if you just wanna play what you like, then go ahead and be a FObeast.

[-Ryuki-]

Speaking of FOnewms.. Dr. Stiles is having a blast spamming his techs http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

[Holo]

On 2007-01-24 18:25, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
I think as a beast, you're best sticking with wartecher, maybe guntecher... but probably not. Fortetecher, I don't think is a very good idea. Plausible, but probably not that good.

THE JACKEL



Im surei would do better as a wartecher but ithink i mistakened what playstyle i should have ended up playing. So at the moment really considering this whole fortecher thing.

[Maridia]

My main is a beastess wartecher. At first, it's really intimidating. Seriously. You will never be as good as a fortetecher, that's obvious. But if you like it, stick with it. It gets better. Get your techs leveled, get your best possible wands, those help a LOT. Riza does very decent damage with the right techs, and she's still good with her melee.

It's really all in what you want out of it. It isn't a good or a bad idea. But it CAN work out, if you stick with it.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-01-24 18:29, Nani-chan wrote:
I think about these things all the time.

To many people it's not something is "bad" it's something is "better"



yeah, thats exactly what I'm thinking. As a person who's main is a human who is a pure melee specialist, I am doing it with the understanding that a beast and cast would always be better than me, but I don't care because at the end, I'm still doing my role, killing things and sending them flying in order to protect the rangers and forces, and myself.

[ljkkjlcm9]

you can go ahead and do it, would definitely be something different. Probably go with Adaka Val if you ever want to do damage during Nano.

THE JACKEL

[Gulkeeva]

Fobeast = can survive ok, if not alot better then a fonewman, but sure can't match damage no matter what you got on

[Holo]

On 2007-01-24 18:33, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
you can go ahead and do it, would definitely be something different. Probably go with Adaka Val if you ever want to do damage during Nano.

THE JACKEL



Heh id probablly die though due to FO defense

Anyways anyone have a newman wartecher that cares to tell me what there atp is. I want to compare itto my atp as a fortecher.

Or can someone with a newman charater see what their atp would be like as a wartecher.



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[Nani-chan]

I'd say invincibilty for beast force.. you still will do like 300 a hit instead of 800 (Leo's red damage), the lower outage time is good if only force in group, and don't have to worry about hunters using stars on you.

Power is defeniatly the best for hunters.

[ShinMaruku]

I'm gonna make a newearl protranser! Go for it it won't be that bad. Now FoCast... <_<

[PALRAPPYS]

I say go for it! After all, if necessary, you could keep a nice li'l Rapier/ Buccaneer on your equip! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif Comes with left-handed card combo! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif With Shifta! (OMG GETTING GOOD! LOLZZ)

Okay okay... XD
But really, I've seen a Beast Fortetecher before. If they can do it, why not you? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Itsuki]

first, let me clear up some misconceptions. Just because you're a beast doesn't mean you'll have decent hp as a FO. Fortechers mod is so low, that even as a beast, your hp is horrible.

I personally think you are better off sticking to your strengths. And WT really does give you those strengths. You're obviously high level, so I'll throw out some numbers:
Lvl 60 class 10 (are you male or female? I don't know, so lets just use male stats):
2137 hp 554 atp 339 tp <-- WT Beast
1282 hp 332 atp 519 tp <-- fT Beast

1650 hp 423 atp 700 tp <-- WT Newman
990 hp 253 atp 1072 tp <-- fT Newman

What am I trying to illlustrate? Theres a few points to be made.
- First off, the only real advantage to the switch to fT is the use of rods.
- Second, the difference in HP is huge, HUGE. If you want to be good support, you're better off as a WT so you can survive up close in buff and debuff range. Not say you can't as a WT, but WT are built like tanks, they're made to take damage.
- Third, the difference in TP is minimal. You will get level 30 techs, but the actual difference in damage and resta isn't huge. We're talking maybe a 20% difference at most. You resta for 700 now, you'll resta for 850 at most as a fT.
- Lastly, the difference in ATP, and the weapons that you can equip are substantial. I didn't show it, but even the ATA is lower.

If one of the reasons become fT is to become immune to megid, keep in mind you'll need atleast 30-35% dark to become immune to megid.

Basically, I'm saying that a beast fT isn't really bad, and nobody would really notice that you're a beast in a party. You'll only be dealing like... 70% the damage of newman fT but thats still... reasonable. But then again, it isn't really good either. You're not playing to your strengths. Beasts make great wartechers because of their high ATP and high HP. I think focusing on those is more advantageous.

[Gazette]

On 2007-01-24 18:36, Holo wrote:

On 2007-01-24 18:33, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
you can go ahead and do it, would definitely be something different. Probably go with Adaka Val if you ever want to do damage during Nano.

THE JACKEL



Heh id probablly die though due to FO defense

Anyways anyone have a newman wartecher that cares to tell me what there atp is. I want to compare itto my atp as a fortecher.

Or can someone with a newman charater see what their atp would be like as a wartecher.



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312 Base ATP at level 55 WT 5

[Holo]

Okay guys thanks for the opinions. I plan on maxing out WT (currently 6) and my spells (attacks spells are the only ones to lvl). Heh probably if im really TP hungry i can go pursue a sori/force and when A grinders become available waste millions on getting a majimara +10 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif (unrealistic considering i dont have uber meseta).

Feel free to discuss if anyone has anything else to say.

[VanHalen]

its only bad if you make it bad

(not all newman are elitist i dont even use techs)

[Callous]

Do what I do. Pick 2-3 classes for your beast and switch between them according to mood. Foretfighter one day, Fortetecher the next. You'll level just as fast or faster than everyone else because they just use alts to do the same thing, while you are constantly building basic levels on top of the expert levels no matter which class you're currently playing. If I should ever feel inferior as a FT, I can always switch to FF, be the best for a few days and get it out of my system and so on. I don't like being limited to level 20 anything either, which is why WT isn't one of my chosen classes for my beast.

Short version, definitely go for it. It makes all kinds of sense.

[Umi_Ryu]

I greatly encourage you to follow your way. I am playing a Newoman (or newearl) Wartecher for now, but I plan to become ForteFighter when I will be high level enought for leving the Hunter class to Lv 10 fast.

I already partied with Beasts Fortegunner and Casts Fortechter, and I did not see that much of a great difference between them and Casts Fortegunner/Newmen Fortecher.

I am not that high level for now, but I feel like the race does not mean that much at all, even if, when you look to the stat, it seems to be a big gap between low and high ends classes, this difference is less noticable in game.

Really, it is like weapon choice, there was a thread that was about a calculation of each weapons DPS, if you just look at the stat you find a big difference between, Twin Claws (I think they had one of the lower DPS) and Spears (which had the higher if I remember well) but when you play you usually don't chose the weapon type according to its DPS, but more for a matter of look.

I, for one, follow the way of the look before efficiency, after all, like much peoples say, it's a game, play for fun.
So ... I'm Wartecher, but plan going Fortefighter/Wartecher depending on my mood. I only use Twin Sabers, Twin Daggers, Bows, a few Guns, Ice bullets, and Ice, Dark and Light techs.
All my weapons are either Ice or Dark based, as for my armor, I use outdated weapons because I buy clothe as soon as I get the money and I only use Youmei's weaponry, except for Handguns because Youmei's ones look like staple guns, so I use Tenora or GRM.
Evne with being so "weak" I still can be useful in parties and I am still accepted rather easyly, so I think you really not have to worry about anything else than "Will I enjoy this class ?" before choosing.

Sorry if this posts does not give any real answer, I just thought that it may be good to talk about the few experiences I had about this from the game. I was really wondering if I could be of any use as a Fortefighter until I saw Fortetecher Casts, Forteranger Beasts and Fortefighter Newmen, and noticed that they fulfil their duties as good as any other could, just a matter of player skill and player affinities with the class s/he chose.

Good luck. To you and to all that chose a class out of their natural abilities.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I like your post Umi_Ryu and agree whole-heartedly.

[zanotam]

One of my best friends is a kick ass Fortetecher male beast so GO FOR IT!

[VanHalen]

yeah one of my friends is a beast female force do as zanotam said

[MaximusLight]

I've seen FOcast, and he is an awsome ForteTecker, I say if a cast can do it so can a beast, ROCK ON MAN! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Darn it I know there is a :rocker: one so what happened to it?

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[Sexy_Raine]

Minor differences betweens races my ass. The stats are differences are large, just try and do S missions by yourself, you'll see.

[Itsuki]

On 2007-01-26 03:06, Sexy_Raine wrote:
Minor differences betweens races my ass. The stats are differences are large, just try and do S missions by yourself, you'll see.



Why the hell would you be doing S-rank missions by yourself? Thats a horrible analogy. Are you that antisocial?

[VanHalen]

On 2007-01-26 10:01, Itsuki-chan wrote:

On 2007-01-26 03:06, Sexy_Raine wrote:
Minor differences betweens races my ass. The stats are differences are large, just try and do S missions by yourself, you'll see.



Why the hell would you be doing S-rank missions by yourself? Thats a horrible analogy. Are you that antisocial?



that is a very good question. but the stat differences from what i seen arent really that large probably like 45 point differece

[Itsuki]

On 2007-01-26 10:14, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-01-26 10:01, Itsuki-chan wrote:

On 2007-01-26 03:06, Sexy_Raine wrote:
Minor differences betweens races my ass. The stats are differences are large, just try and do S missions by yourself, you'll see.



Why the hell would you be doing S-rank missions by yourself? Thats a horrible analogy. Are you that antisocial?



that is a very good question. but the stat differences from what i seen arent really that large probably like 45 point differece



And truly, the only cass that makes it out on top in this situation(WT soloing) is newmans. Because they can relatively easily become immune to megid in LLS. Atleast thats how I look at it. Everything else can be compensated for.

[SolomonGrundy]

why would you solo S rank missions? Hmmm...let me think.

a. no one is online that you know/trust
b. you might want to keep the item you are hunting for rather than have it go to someone else
c. no one want to do the mission you are interested in

[Sharkyland]

Seriri female beast lvl 41, fortetecher 3... tp 311 (I think it is), hp is like 695 or so...

I'm not really into statistics... if you are, I think it's better just to stick to the guides, imo.


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