PSU-PC: Gallery of Those Equipped With Items of Questionable

[magenta]

before going into the pictures (which will be as close to chronological order as possible) I would like to make it clear this thread is just to simply post pictures of items of questionable legitimacy equipped with no photoshopped comments added etc that may in the least be anyway insulting.

This thread is not personal. It is in no way meant to offend or insult anyone, and as such any member of this board who happens to find himself/herself here. If one does find oneself here it is simply because I thought you to have an item of questionable legitimancy equipped (at the time), though you are welcome to correct me on the nature of the specific item(s) equipped on provision of strong proof and justification.

*next post will be pictures*


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[magenta]

february 2007

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6763/psu20070208063215000mn9.jpg
carriguine rucar not released at the time.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/6245/psu20070208155613000mz4.jpg
12* Oakarod

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/9558/psu20070209053508008sf6.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/497/psu20070209053515009re8.jpg
a palette of questionable weapons
* frying pan

[magenta]

2 rucars
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3483/psu20070209142529001lz3.jpg

Sweet Deathic, and Ragan-ragan,
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5013/psu20070210071438000bk6.jpg

12* Okarod again
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1962/psu20070211153023006qe5.jpg

[magenta]

I found this interesting
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1258/psu20070212125509001fs1.jpg
taken not a long time after the S-rank level of demons above quest was released, from which the halarod board can be obtained (boss drop).

another large palette of questionables
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2755/psu20070212141852004qd8.jpg

blackheartic
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4634/psu20070218125019000ni6.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2341/psu20070218125134002it7.jpg

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[magenta]

mid/late feb 2007

lovebow
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7875/psu20070219122817003wl4.jpg
though it was valentines season at the time, i still find it hard to believe that there are more than a few of these around given the lack of strongly confirmed of the board drops, and successful synths.

another large palette of questionables *note: the grinded rucar
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6489/psu20070219145410002mq6.jpg

agito repca, svaltus sword, yamata-misaki
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/682/psu20070219163417001ca4.jpg

3 rucars this time (with one grinded)... and more...
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2564/psu20070223152724000rn7.jpg

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23rd Feb 2007--onward - 23rd being the day the unreleased item patch was..released

the 3 rucars
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9584/psu20070223230735000yj5.jpg
not being wiped here, while all others questionables have been. note at this time there have been no strong confirmations that the board does indeed drop.

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more recently

bill de vear axe for sale
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7775/psu20070227203749000yx1.jpg
not a capture of it being equipped, but interesting because bill de vear axe is an 11* kubara axe wep. Im fairly certain that the board at the time does not drop.

rucars are around
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5731/psu20070412090355002nz0.jpg
though i have "little" doubt that they are released, there has been next to zero confirmation of drops (and succesful synths), let alone enough to explain the fair amount present and equipped/used by people. that is confirmation in the form of drop pictures with red text stating "*person name*: has received [b]carriguiric", or strongly reliable info, vouches.

the same with the lovebow
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6679/psu20070408040239009lm3.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3186/psu20070416052858000yj1.jpg
still not been any reliable confirmations of board drops during the valentine season (esp when compared to the well confirmed halp serafi board drops during easter), and there seem to be as many love bows around.


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[VioletSkye]

Please use the edit button instead of sextuple posting.

[magenta]

On 2007-04-15 19:12, VioletSkye wrote:
Please use the edit button instead of sextuple posting.



apologies for the multiple postings as i didnt want to make any single post too long.

I did try to make into one, but was only able to affect/delete my last post.

[Siertes]

AYAKA!!! That bastard...

He has my Bullet Save.

[-Shimarisu-]

Magenta you should come to 360 and save yourself the pain.

[SStrikerR]

would you consider it pain if someone gave you all the S-ranks you wanted?

[AL1ST0R]

umm rucar is a legit drop in hive s but as for the others like real hand gun and etc there def not in the game yet i say report em !

[HUnewearl_Meira]

On 2007-04-16 04:56, Ryan113 wrote:
would you consider it pain if someone gave you all the S-ranks you wanted?



If someone offered you two pounds of cocaine, would you be jumping up and down to get it?

[magenta]

Magenta you should come to 360 and save yourself the pain.


hmm i did consider, but xbox 360 prices are too high atm.


On 2007-04-16 07:38, AL1ST0R wrote:
umm rucar is a legit drop in hive s but as for the others like real hand gun and etc there def not in the game yet i say report em !


well i have little doubt that it drops, as i have stated earlier, but given the rarerity, and the lack of actual/more solid confirmation, i doubt that many(if any) boards have dropped and have been succesfully synthed.

also because, as the early pictures shows, the rucar appears to have been duped before their release, it makes makes many of us strongly doubt the legitimacy of the ones floating around.


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[TorterraEndor]

What is the point of this, anyways? >_> I've been pondering this since I saw the thread, and I couldn't reach a logical reason for a thread like this to exist.

Just report them to ST and they usually act, despite popular belief, it does nothing to post them here.

[DikkyRay]

Seriously...If you had the time to Take pics, why didnt you report?
Luckily the cleanup probably got all of this...

[magenta]

What is the point of this, anyways? >_> I've been pondering this since I saw the thread, and I couldn't reach a logical reason for a thread like this to exist.

Just report them to ST and they usually act,


Note that this thread did exist in another form before, which then served as a pictorial reference and reminder of what was (then) unreleased/unavailable/non-legit, and who had them. It also served as warning, and some people who were shown to have highly questionable items were indeed reported (since i also posted pictures of their Numbers/IDS)

sadly strong words were exchanged, and the thread old had to be scrapped. Fellow posters/players suggested I redo the thread, and with permission I started it again with a cleaner intention/format, showing the name of the questionable weapons/items clearly on undoctored screenshots.

This time it will mainly serve as a reminder of what non-legitimate items were going around back then, with a few recent questionable cases, unless another outbreak of cheating occurs. I will no longer post pictures of player number ids though.

also one can no longer report people for having kohibumiteri, or carriguine-rucar, as these items have been officially released. But as i have stated earlier, given the rarerity of the boards, the parts, and the synth rate, as well as the fact that (my pictures indicating) they have been mass duped/generated I doubt many (if any) of the ones currently floating around are legitimate. Also add that there's zero reliable/strong drop confirmations - just the odd unreliable story of one board dropping.

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[SStrikerR]

rucar boards dont drop, only the wep itself. thats just what i hear from everyone.

[9lotus]

nah, the [B] Carriguiruc drops, there's a screenshot out there of the board that dropped on the 360 servers

[SStrikerR]

were not talkin about carriguiruc, we're talkin bout carriguine rucar.

[AL1ST0R]

lol we'll magenta is famous as being the hacker finder, so since there no more hacking i guess magenta got bored and don't want people to forget her hard work in the past, but it's ok magenta i appriciate the thread http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[9lotus]

were not talkin about carriguiruc, we're talkin bout carriguine rucar.

The board that makes Carriguine-rucar is called "[B] Carriguiruc". Look at the name?

[magenta]

On 2007-04-17 06:31, AL1ST0R wrote:
lol we'll magenta is famous as being the hacker finder, so since there no more hacking i guess magenta got bored and don't want people to forget her hard work in the past, but it's ok magenta i appriciate the thread http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


well you never know, they might come up with a new ce or something, and of course theres still lots of stuff of questionable origin floating around. i.e. ones stated to be legit now, even though they have not have been created legitimately (i.e. love bows, uransas (wand thing), and of course rucars)

[XenithFlare]

lol I have a picture I took showing Nana's weapons and units, too, from March, I believe...

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9227/nanasweaponsdk6.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8711/nanasarmornb5.jpg

(stupid PS2...)

He joined my party before then and tried to claim that everything he had was legit. T_T He's got just about every unit, in addition to what's equipped there... Needless to say I don't believe a word of it.

[Sc0pe]

You can't hack units in.

[AL1ST0R]

yes you can;t hack units at that time or ever but that doesn;t mean he/she didn't hack weapons or anything else to get those rare units >.>

[magenta]

hmm.. i dont know. but imo its best to keep an open mind on what can and cant be done.

[Fujinhucaseal]

baby dool (HC)? omg thats my ex she was married and i never knew it lol..... any one knows her tell her eric says hi http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

lolz, reminds me of the Crimson Beast S2 I was in last night. Some guy joins, and so I immediately check his weapons for hax, as I always do. The dude had three Crea Doubles on his palette (and a Halp Serafi, which really pissed me off). I started to berate him about the Crea Doubles, and then he tells me that he doesn't own them anymore and sold them for a 50% weapon, all while I still have the party menu up, showing his three Doubles. Shame it wasn't my party, or I'd have kicked him on the spot. There was also a Fortecher with two Halarods, which is equally impossible, but I didn't say anything about that because we needed a fT in the party, lawl.


And then everyone in the party gave me hell for pestering the dude with the Crea Doubles. Hopefully they all blacklisted me after they kicked me, I don't want scum like that anywhere near me.

[magenta]

On 2007-04-24 13:56, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
lolz, reminds me of the Crimson Beast S2 I was in last night. Some guy joins, and so I immediately check his weapons for hax, as I always do. The dude had three Crea Doubles on his palette (and a Halp Serafi, which really pissed me off). I started to berate him about the Crea Doubles, and then he tells me that he doesn't own them anymore and sold them for a 50% weapon, all while I still have the party menu up, showing his three Doubles. Shame it wasn't my party, or I'd have kicked him on the spot. There was also a Fortecher with two Halarods, which is equally impossible, but I didn't say anything about that because we needed a fT in the party, lawl.



lol.. i lubs the view equipment options, makes things a lil easier,

[Neith]

Hell, I must be playing a different game, not seen an S-Rank drop yet, when clearly having a full inventory of them is the in thing http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Edit: That Nana has had those weapons for months, I remembering seeing them ages ago with a nice collection of Halarods. How anyone can claim to be legit with stuff like that is beyond me, especially not so early into the game.

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[majorgamer55]

On 2007-04-15 22:41, Siertes wrote:
AYAKA!!! That bastard...

He has my Bullet Save.



lol look ayaka is not a hacker i know her she is 100% not a hacker i can prove that!

[magenta]

On 2007-04-24 14:40, UrikoBB3 wrote:
Hell, I must be playing a different game, not seen an S-Rank drop yet, when clearly having a full inventory of them is the in thing http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Edit: That Nana has had those weapons for months, I remembering seeing them ages ago with a nice collection of Halarods. How anyone can claim to be legit with stuff like that is beyond me, especially not so early into the game.



funny thing is i can buy the 1-2 crea doubles, since boards do drop from any(?) creature in Srank mode LLS.. though 3 is pushing it.

halarod however.. onma S boss drop only T_T..

[9lotus]

lolz, reminds me of the Crimson Beast S2 I was in last night. Some guy joins, and so I immediately check his weapons for hax, as I always do. The dude had three Crea Doubles on his palette (and a Halp Serafi, which really pissed me off). I started to berate him about the Crea Doubles, and then he tells me that he doesn't own them anymore and sold them for a 50% weapon, all while I still have the party menu up, showing his three Doubles. Shame it wasn't my party, or I'd have kicked him on the spot. There was also a Fortecher with two Halarods, which is equally impossible, but I didn't say anything about that because we needed a fT in the party, lawl.


And then everyone in the party gave me hell for pestering the dude with the Crea Doubles. Hopefully they all blacklisted me after they kicked me, I don't want scum like that anywhere near me.


So, do you also berate people who go over the speed limit and download illegal mp3s? Because no one wants to associate with scum like that.

[SStrikerR]

dude that sucks for you, although.....if i met him.....id have a little question for him bout crea doublez..

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-04-24 17:25, 9lotus wrote:

So, do you also berate people who go over the speed limit and download illegal mp3s? Because no one wants to associate with scum like that.

No, but I berate the people who go under the speed limit and don't GTFO of my way. But yeah, your comparison fails.

[9lotus]

You should whine at people who break the speed limit though, they're clearly breaking the law.

Don't be a jackass, don't call people scum for kicking a rude player, or god forbid, for having items in a video game . And especially don't make some forum post filled with moral indignation.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

I harbor indignation towards players who cheat, and do not put forth the effort required to find the items they use. It is disrespectful to those who spend hours, nay months, hunting the items, only to never find them.

I also harbor indignation towards drivers who drive exceedingly fast and recklessly. It is disrespectful to those who are obeying the traffic laws. Going too slow is also disrespectful.


Sorry if you think I'm a rude jackass. Actually, no, I'm not sorry, because I am a rude jackass, but only towards those who deserve it.



The problem is that no one has any sense of shame. If someone hunts for weeks for an item and never finds it, it would be shameful for me to just magically create the item with some cheat program, or to buy it cheaply from someone who has. If you would rather just say LOL, FUCK YOU to the other guy and hack in the weapon, then so be it, but know that it is dishonest, shameful, and ignoble.


EDIT: And before you bring up the LOL, IT'S JUST A GAME argument, I know this, and I have a sense of perspective. Cheating in the game is nowhere near the top of the list of my concerns, but that does not make it any less wrong. Just because it isn't important in the grand scheme of things does not make cheating any more justifiable.


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[9lotus]

Fair enough, but Sega has already patched the exploits and wiped all the items they care to wipe. I really see no justification or point to flaming someone now. Given that a lot of cheaters were banned, it's likely the guy just traded for them.


it would be shameful for me... to buy it cheaply from someone who has

Anyone is free to trade, if you want a crea doubles, no one says you have to hunt for one yourself. If you insist that your item has to be undeniably legit (not that it matters now) and you don't find one, c'est la vie. Nothing unfair about other people choosing to trade for them instead.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

You misunderstand me. It is fine for someone to trade for something, as long as the item has been proved legit by the original possessor. My problem is with people who do not hack the stuff themselves, but buy things cheaply from people who have no proof of a questionable item. I do, however, realize this happens rather frequently and cannot be stopped entirely, though the community can do a bit of self-patrolling to help reduce it.

Speaking of which, the community has always cared about legitimacy more fervently than has Sega. You see, their only concern is that hacked items will drive away customers and such. For the community, however, it is really about the sense of pride one can take in an extremely lucky, entirely legitimate, and fully documented uber-rare find, and how this good feeling is cheapened by those who can't be bothered to work for their rares.

[9lotus]

My problem is with people who do not hack the stuff themselves, but buy things cheaply from people who have no proof of a questionable item.

They don't necessarily get it cheaply, people often give up rare units and/or high % items for S-ranks.

In any case, they weren't wiped, they're free to float around the market, they'll be obsolete once we get more high-star weapons anyway

the important thing is that the exploit used to create the hacked items was fixed


Speaking of which, the community has always cared about legitimacy more fervently than has Sega.

You mean a subset of the community, many, many people clearly think differently and don't care where an item comes from. Those that do care are pretty vocal about it.



What I'm saying is:

If you saw some guy trying to ruin the game economy by passing out hacked items/money like candy, or some rude player like Kyuubi, go ahead, berate/flame him, he deserves it

But the hacks are patched now, don't flame someone just because he has 3 rare items, most people don't care about the origin of an item



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[omegapirate2k]

Those people like hacking S rank double sabers XD

[magenta]

On 2007-04-24 23:18, 9lotus wrote:
They don't necessarily get it cheaply, people often give up rare units and/or high % items for S-ranks.


therein lies the problem
S-ranks should be worth something, a lot, since by normal means they are pretty much hard to obtain.

but that isnt, and shouldnt be the case with the ones that were hacked/generated and still floating around in game.

it does cheapen the efforts of one who has hunted, say a unit, for weeks, only to have it traded for s-ranks that were generated out of nowhere (no matter how the buyer views it - hes still getting robbed).



the important thing is that the exploit used to create the hacked items was fixed

though it didnt wipe out oodles of generated 10* s-rank board and weps, still floating around.


many, many people clearly think differently and don't care where an item comes from.
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But the hacks are patched now, don't flame someone just because he has 3 rare items, most people don't care about the origin of an item


another problem. most people who seemingly dont care just dont realise the value of hacked stuff (things generated out of thin air) compared to proven legitimate stuff (hours of effort). and those who have no idea, and just trade away their hacks like theyre the most valuable things, do deserve to get told off.

It is pretty much an unbalanced trade when one trades hacked stuff for legit stuff of equal rarerity. I certainly wouldnt trade a hpc i hunted for days for any amount of hacked s-ranks.

[9lotus]

though it didnt wipe out oodles of generated 10* s-rank board and weps, still floating around.

If you hate them so much, trade for them and delete them yourself. But many people do not share your sentiments, they will continue floating around, just accept it. All the moral indignation and complaining in the world won't do a thing.


it does cheapen the efforts of one who has hunted, say a unit, for weeks, only to have it traded for s-ranks that were generated out of nowhere (no matter how the buyer views it - hes still getting robbed).

All that matters is how the buyer views it, not how you view it. If your beliefs were universal, no one would be trading for these items. I think people who pay hundreds of dollars for trading cards are getting robbed, but does my opinion matter? No.


another problem. most people who seemingly dont care just dont realise the value of hacked stuff (things generated out of thin air) compared to proven legitimate stuff (hours of effort). and those who have no idea, and just trade away their hacks like theyre the most valuable things, do deserve to get told off.

So the problem is: people disagree with you. People are being practical. Hacked items/legit items are indistinguishable, Sega admin has already wiped all the items it cares to wipe, why should anyone care? If you spent hours hunting for some item, good for you. But don't expect other people to care how much time you spent.

No, they don't deserve to be told off. If you don't like such trades, don't participate in them. You're just beating a dead horse that not everyone cared about to begin with.


It is pretty much an unbalanced trade when one trades hacked stuff for legit stuff of equal rarerity. I certainly wouldnt trade a hpc i hunted for days for any amount of hacked s-ranks.

I agree, it's unbalanced, but the original buyers of these items didn't think so. And future buyers don't think so. And now these items are integrated into the game economy, just deal with it. I'm not one to presume to tell people what they can and can't buy.

[Yianna]

interressing....

But have you some screenshots of equiped weapons?

[magenta]

If you hate them so much, trade for them and delete them yourself.


well i have managed to persuade a few to dump their hacks XD, and as i said, i wouldnt trade anything other than 10meseta for a hacked s-rank thats all they're worth.



But many people do not share your sentiments, they will continue floating around, just accept it. All the moral indignation and complaining in the world won't do a thing.

I do accept that theyre floating around, but i also know i can do something about it, and will continue to do something about it. If you expect me to just give up just because YOU say no-one cares, sorry but i do know that a lot of people care and support what i do, therefore i wont give up http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.


All that matters is how the buyer views it, not how you view it.


No since I am also a buyer and therefore my views on it matter http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.

Also There are less informed buyers out there who arent aware of what is hacked or not - they would like to stay away from hacks but at the same time try get hold of s-rank weps. And there are very dishonest sellers who lie to them to sell their wares - such as one i recently dealt with who tried to convince me that he got the kohibumiteri (love bow) from a rappy amure, saying the weapon dropped as a WHOLE when jpn wiki clearly stated that rappy amure only drops the board as a rare.

If buyers are made aware of value of hacks compared to legit items in terms of average effort made in order to acquire items then perhaps their opinions/beliefs will change.



I think people who pay hundreds of dollars for trading cards are getting robbed, but does my opinion matter? No.

sorta wrong analogy

well trading cards, like stamps, can genuinely become valuable on age and rarerity and manufacture like some limited edition stamps made in 1920s would fetch some really high prices due to them being perhaps the only 20-30 left in the world. a hax equivalent would be like a cheap attempt at a replica of said rare stamp/card and processed to simulate age to make it less indistinguisable from the real thing.

should the buyer care about whether or not the stamp/card he bought is genuine or replicated. Of course he/she should.


So the problem is: people disagree with you. People are being practical. Hacked items/legit items are indistinguishable, Sega admin has already wiped all the items it cares to wipe, why should anyone care? If you spent hours hunting for some item, good for you. But don't expect other people to care how much time you spent.

There is a true saying that time/effort = money. meaning time/effort is valuable. standard/average time+effort spent on hunting an item, is more valuable then time spent on haxing up a similar item. therefore the hax item has less value than the one that was obtained through time+effort. Value has little to do with convenience (not praticality) in this case.

anyone who disagrees and thinks little of time+effort required to obtain some of the more rare stuff, while at the same time trying to trade off their hax for such stuff is quite frankly out of line.

As for indistinguisable, well one only has to push certain buttons in order to get a better idea of origins of said items from a buyer XD.



No, they don't deserve to be told off. If you don't like such trades, don't participate in them.

of course they do, theyre pretty much passing stuff that was generated (and given out by non-legtis such s kyuubi) and trading for stuff that may taken others lots of time+effort to obtain. its affecting the balance of trade.


I agree, it's unbalanced, but the original buyers of these items didn't think so. And future buyers don't think so.

depending on whether they were aware in the first place. as i mentioned there are dishonest traders out there, who would lie to legit buyers to get their hard earned wares.



just deal with it. I'm not one to presume to tell people what they can and can't buy.


yup im dealing with it my way XD. and of course i cant tell people what to buy or not. But i can make more people aware of what theyre buying, and now again tell off obvious hax traders for a making a dishonest trade.


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[9lotus]

No since I am also a buyer and therefore my views on it matter .

If you're not the one buying said item, your views do not matter. You refuse to trade for any possibly hacked items, therefore your views on what they are worth are irrelevant.


sorta wrong analogy

the point of the analogy was: I do not buy trading cards, therefore my views on what trading cards are worth do not matter in trading card transactions.


As for indistinguisable, well one only has to push certain buttons in order to get a better idea of origins of said items from a buyer XD.

Indistinguishable when used, it's not like such items have a big wavy sign on them that says "HACKED ITEM" when you equip them



There is a true saying that time/effort = money. meaning time/effort is valuable. standard/average time+effort spent on hunting an item, is more valuable then time spent on haxing up a similar item. therefore the hax item has less value than the one that was obtained through time+effort. Value has little to do with convenience (not praticality) in this case.

anyone who disagrees and thinks little of time+effort required to obtain some of the more rare stuff, while at the same time trying to trade off their hax for such stuff is quite frankly out of line.

Value to the seller, perhaps, but that doesn't matter. The value of an item is determined by what buyers are willing to pay for it. I could start a pretzel stand, spend 10 hours on each pretzel, and charge $50 for a pretzel for all the hard work I put into each pretzel. No one's going to buy a $50 pretzel from me. I am selling a product, not a service, so time != money. Same thing with an item, when I buy an item, I am not paying you for the time you spent hunting it, I am not paying you for how you acquired it, I am paying for the item.

Some buyers may perceive an item as having additional value if someone spent hours and hours looking for it, but again, it's a matter of buyer perception. Suppose I want to buy a Serafi Feather. Person A got his when a GM gave it to him for free. Person B spent 10 hours hunting for rare spawns and found one. Person B's Serafi Feather isn't inherently worth more.


But i can make more people aware of what theyre buying, and now again tell off obvious hax traders for a making a dishonest trade.


Cool, that's an admirable cause. I just found Ffuzzy-logik annoying. Harassing someone because his items in a video game piss you off doesn't make you cool.



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[magenta]

If you're not the one buying said item, your views do not matter. You refuse to trade for any possibly hacked items, therefore your views on what they are worth are irrelevant.

they can matter, even though im not directly involved in the trade. why? any buyer can become a seller, and any seller can potentially get hold of a haxed item regardless of reputation, so hacked stuff can go around and may end up with people i have traded with before.

also just because i (justifiably) view most s-rank rucars, halarods, crea doubles, and love bows as being hacked doesnt mean i'd like to (in future) get hold of one and try them out myself.

so yes IF i can get a legitimate one i may try trade for it. thus my asking for proof.



the point of the analogy was: I do not buy trading cards, therefore my views on what trading cards are worth do not matter in trading card transactions.

and why dont they matter? because your views are based on little understanding of trading for cards, or their relative values, and what they depend on?

I mean i dont trade buy stamps/and cards, but i have a understanding (and therefore appreciation) of why they can be so valuable, and an awareness of conditions as to why their prices go high. so i suppose my views are affected by my understanding of these things as such,


Indistinguishable when used, it's not like such items have a big wavy sign on them that says "HACKED ITEM" when you equip them

true, but i and others would still feel robbed, and our efforts cheapened if we trade items/weps that took us lots of time/effort to obtain/synth for ones that we find out are hacked into existence. Hence to avoid such things happening we normally ask for proof.



Value to the seller, perhaps, but that doesn't matter. The value of an item is determined by what buyers are willing to pay for it. I could start a pretzel stand, spend 10 hours on each pretzel, and charge $50 for a pretzel for all the hard work I put into each pretzel. No one's going to buy a $50 pretzel from me. I am selling a product, not a service, so time != money. Same thing with an item, when I buy an item, I am not paying you for the time you spent hunting it, I am not paying you for how you acquired it, I am paying for the item.

well this is a bit wrong simply because anyone knows you cant sell pretzels for $50 each, and i doubt one will spend 10hrs on each one either.

thatd be like saying, in psu terms, it took me 20hrs to find a 2* dagger, therefore it must be equivalent of a unit.

im talking about relatively similar items that nominally are the hardest ones to obtain in the game, effort and timewise. so lets move away from pretzels and into things like handmade shoes, and expensive cars, where time and effort in creating them (from procurement of essential materials to production) matter just as much as the end product itself.



Some buyers may perceive an item as having additional value if someone spent hours and hours looking for it, but again, it's a matter of buyer perception. Suppose I want to buy a Serafi Feather. Person A got his when a GM gave it to him for free. Person B spent 10 hours hunting for rare spawns and found one. Person B's Serafi Feather isn't inherently worth more.

well GMS dont come out everyday handing out serafi feathers, so person A is LUCKY in that sense, as in it can be equaled to finding the serafi feather on his first run to hunt it. it doesnt make his serafi feather any less valuable than one obtained by person B. person A can be just considered lucky to have been given a serafi feather (as i understand GMS were also giving out eastereggs, and other stuff so theres a probability that person A may have not 1) got to see the GM 2)got a serafi feather from GM).

Involvement of GM is a special case that still doesnt guarantee person A getting the serafi feather as much as hax generating it.


Cool, that's an admirable cause. I just found Ffuzzy-logik annoying. Harassing someone because his items in a video game piss you off doesn't make you cool.

well i dont harass people unless they're really asking for it, i.e. parading,showing off their hax, and trying to trade them off making out their legit cos theyre member of a large team (ahem), lying to the core about origin of their item , and trying to trade it off, when its obviously haxed. etc.

[9lotus]

so hacked stuff can go around and may end up with people i have traded with before.

Then that's their business, not yours.


true, but i and others would still feel robbed, and our efforts cheapened if we trade items/weps that took us lots of time/effort to obtain/synth for ones that we find out are hacked into existence. Hence to avoid such things happening we normally ask for proof.

Then continue asking for proof when the trade involves you. But people need to stop trolling trades that they aren't even interested in.


and why dont they matter? because your views are based on little understanding of trading for cards, or their relative values, and what they depend on?


Because I neither sell nor purchase such cards. It has nothing to do with understanding. I don't participate in those transactions, so I don't have any business telling card traders what their things are worth in my opinion, nor does my opinion have any effect on the trading card market.

My point in all this?
people should mind their own business





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[magenta]

Then that's their business, not yours.


not really, again if people i trade with got hold of haxed stuffed then i'd like to know. as i said i dont want my earned stuff traded for worthless generated stuff.



Then continue asking for proof when the trade involves you. But people need to stop trolling trades that they aren't even interested in.

psu trading community is relatively small compared to, say, the real world trading community. things get passed and spread around fairly quickly. I consider it a first level counter measure to discourage others in trading haxed stuff, so that it doesnt end up with people whom i normally trust in trading. and there are less informed people who would like to trade for legit s-ranks, while there are dishonest traders who try and pass of their hax as legit. so i feel justified in what i do thank you.



Because I neither sell nor purchase such cards. It has nothing to do with understanding. I don't participate in those transactions, so I don't have any business telling card traders what their things are worth in my opinion, nor does my opinion have any effect on the trading card market.


my point is its because perhaps you have little understanding of why cards can be so valued, hence its why your views wont matter so much. and perhaps your views would change if you have more understanding and appreciation of their value.



My point in all this?
people should mind their own business


yes you've often said "people dont care", and to "mind your business"

while on the other hand i know that there are people who DO care, and I do feel justified/right in sometimes interfering in what i see as dishonest trading.

as for minding my own business, well IT is MY business being a trader to make sure that a lot of stuff (that can potentially) come my way is of "good" value.


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[SStrikerR]

stop the quote fest, i know it helps you state your case, but it takes forever to scroll.

[9lotus]

(inflammatory comments removed)

Let it be said that I doubt your primary interest is "protecting" people, you just enjoy trolling anything to do with possibly hacked items for some reason.



my point is its because perhaps you have little understanding of why cards can be so valued, hence its why your views wont matter so much. and perhaps your views would change if you have more understanding and appreciation of their value.

Don't try to insult me, I don't care if little dogs bark at me. I know why people consider them valuable, but to me, they're just pieces of cardstock that cost 5 cents to make. I wouldn't pay anymore than 10 cents for a trading card. But my views do not matter because I do not buy trading cards, nor do I sell them. Is it that hard for you to understand?

Likewise, no one cares that you think hacked items are worth 10 meseta, you can stop saying that now.

/yawn



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[T0m]

At this point, I doubt that 9lotus and magenta will ever be able to convince the other of their views. Even explaining the viewpoint seems to be hard.
I understand the trading card analogy, though, and would even say that I agree to it.
However, maybe it's time to drop this, and move on? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[SStrikerR]

i agree with him, because even though you guys both make valid points, you're wasting your time trying to convince the other, and the other is never gonna stop arguing until they win. which doesnt look like thats gonna happen.

[magenta]

On 2007-04-27 19:47, 9lotus wrote:
(inflammatory comments removed)


oh dear lost it have you?



Let it be said that I doubt your primary interest is "protecting" people, you just enjoy trolling anything to do with possibly hacked items for some reason.

oh really.. what do you know about me? zilcho period.


Don't try to insult me, I don't care if little dogs bark at me. I know why people consider them valuable, but to me, they're just pieces of cardstock that cost 5 cents to make. I wouldn't pay anymore than 10 cents for a trading card.


well likewise i consider hax stuff only worth 10 meseta. But i also understand that psu has a closed and much smaller economy and trading community. your income can easily avoid being "tainted" by the affects of trading in "rare" (but worthless to you) cards. while i try make sure me and mine dont come across any non legit stuff that in trades.



But my views do not matter because I do not buy trading cards, nor do I sell them. Is it that hard for you to understand?


only because you chose for it not to matter?.. wha? why i dont really trade in cards myself but i can express my views on them. shall we go to trading card message board and try that out XD



Likewise, no one cares that you think hacked items are worth 10 meseta, you can stop saying that now.

/yawn


oh dear.. if that were true there wouldnt be people positively appreciating me and what ive done and continue doing.

i guess youre wrong and im right.

but lets put all this aside, as it is actually not meant for this thread. ill go out and try find more questionable items to take pics of.


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[9lotus]

oh really.. what do you know about me? zilcho period.

I can't read your mind, you could be completely insane, and I wouldn't know it.

I'm just going by:
1.) your record of pointless trolling
2.) your obsession with "legit"
3.) this thread's continued existence, which, btw, I think is really just your attempt at a power trip


well likewise i consider hax stuff only worth 10 meseta. But i also understand that psu has a closed and much smaller economy and trading community. your income can easily avoid being "tainted" by the affects of trading in "rare" (but worthless to you) cards. while i try make sure me and mine dont come across any non legit stuff that in trades.

Glad you caught the reference. Yes, surely I do not want to be tainted by pieces of paper. I salute you for protecting others from those fearsome hacked items, put into PSU by Satan and his minions, LEST THEY CORRUPT THY SOUL.


oh dear.. if that were true there wouldnt be people positively appreciating me and what ive done and continue doing.

i guess youre wrong and im right.

Then let them applaud you. Meanwhile, those that actually buy/sell those items don't really care what you think.

Anyway, as T0m says, I am dropping this.



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[SStrikerR]

your dropping it in the same post a an argument because you think it makes yo win? if so, YOU PHAIL!

[magenta]

I can't read your mind, you could be completely insane, and I wouldn't know it.

I'm just going by:
1.) your record of pointless trolling
2.) your obsession with "legit"
3.) this thread's continued existence, which, btw, I think is really just your attempt at a power trip


1. being "informative" in what i see as dishonest trades, honestly i.e. a person who says theyre trading love bow, but says they found it as a whole drop deserves to be told off for lying on the matter. good for traders too who are interested in it, but not interested in trading in whats most likely haxed up.

2. obsession with legit? well when it comes to (continually) questionable items such as the ones i pictured (love bow, rucar, ragnus okarod- all haxed up before their release and item patching). otherwise im fairly cool with 9* weps and halp serafi and perhaps even crea doubles.

3. I was willing to let this thread go after it was first deleted (after a member of large team got caught) - but i was asked to restart it again (minus flaming) by *gasp* people who do care about the thread (not you i guess)..

so regardless of what you think of me, and this thread, there are people who think otherwise hence why its continued existence.


Glad you caught the reference. Yes, surely I do not want to be tainted by pieces of paper. I salute you for protecting others from those fearsome hacked items, put into PSU by Satan and his minions, LEST THEY CORRUPT THY SOUL.

XD what are you about again? you said your views dont matter only because really you cant be bothered about it.

whereas my i chose to make my views matter and since psu is also much smaller community where haxed items can affect balance of trading if not watched.



Then let them applaud you. Meanwhile, those that actually buy/sell those items don't really care what you think.

well thankyou. and there are people who care about what i think, and thats what matters dont you think? (i guess i shouldnt ask that of you.



Anyway, as T0m says, I am dropping this.


well good for you.


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[/quote]

[SStrikerR]

you both said you would drop it, and if theres another peep from ANYBODY, i want this locked, because this is NOT the right place, if you must start this in another forum.

in fact, i think you like arguing with each other. 0.0

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[T0m]

On 2007-04-29 08:58, Ryan113 wrote:
you both said you would drop it, and if theres another peep from ANYBODY, i want this locked, [...]


You want it locked?
Maybe someone shouldn't do his best to fan the flames in this topic, and should exhibit some patience to let this topic move back on topic, before telling others how to act.
Don't worry, I'm not going to point fingers here. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[magenta]

agree im willing to move on, do some patroling, and taking pics (after some more hpc runs) im particularly interested in those who got pumpkin rods http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif and uransuras (10* wand stuff)

[SStrikerR]

considering you quoted me, thats pointing fingerz enough, its not hard to figure it out.

[SStrikerR]

On 2007-04-16 08:14, HUnewearl_Meira wrote:

On 2007-04-16 04:56, Ryan113 wrote:
would you consider it pain if someone gave you all the S-ranks you wanted?



If someone offered you two pounds of cocaine, would you be jumping up and down to get it?

maybe.......

[SStrikerR]

next post here is gonna be my 3rd post in a row! and, even better, i have pics of a guy with 2 creadoubles comin, possible, yes, but still....2?

[T0m]

Please refrain from double or triple posting.

Use the edit button of your previous post, instead.: http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/edit.gif

[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-02 04:44, Ryan113 wrote:

On 2007-04-16 08:14, HUnewearl_Meira wrote:

On 2007-04-16 04:56, Ryan113 wrote:
would you consider it pain if someone gave you all the S-ranks you wanted?



If someone offered you two pounds of cocaine, would you be jumping up and down to get it?

maybe.......



I laughed really hard on that.

[SStrikerR]

thank you.
*bows*



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[AL1ST0R]

WOW ryan you complain so much dude, im so glad i black listed you. Your jealous and just envy people who have more then you. So what the person had 2 crea dubz, they have been duped so much that every body has em now a days. I would understand if he had like SWEET DEATH or anything that we know is not out as of yet .

But right now your making yourself look like a fool by moaning and complain why someone has 2 crea dubz, GET OVER IT and play your game dude. There so much to do in game besides looking at what everyone has. Just stop it already and im not going to respond to your comment because your nothing but a whining isolent child.

[SStrikerR]

On 2007-05-06 00:38, AL1ST0R wrote:
WOW ryan you complain so much dude, im so glad i black listed you. Your jealous and just envy people who have more then you. So what the person had 2 crea dubz, they have been duped so much that every body has em now a days. I would understand if he had like SWEET DEATH or anything that we know is not out as of yet .

But right now your making yourself look like a fool by moaning and complain why someone has 2 crea dubz, GET OVER IT and play your game dude. There so much to do in game besides looking at what everyone has. Just stop it already and im not going to respond to your comment because your nothing but a whining isolent child.

well, i was just saying, that they are most likely duped, im not complaining idiot, plus, if you dont care leave and stop being an idiot.

[DikkyRay]

more PSU drama?
XD

[AL1ST0R]

Sounds like complaining to me, you just want attention why don't you just stop being a
whiner and move on with your in game life ... I really don't understand why you go around complaining about what people have? there's no logic in your thinking at all http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif only person i understand doing it is magenta and belive me ryan you are far from magenta. you are what we call a lil child who complains because someone has something that he/she wants very badly but can not obtain it. A.K.A HATER.

grow up already so what if he/she had 2 crea dubz ? ever think they might have been from a trade or a friend who quit psu and passed his crea to him/her ? no what's the 1st thing you think of OMFG H4X ! ! that's what children think, now this is why i like magenta so much because A. he/she provides proof of the hacked weapons and mainly take pics of weaps that are not relased as of yet. grow up already or GTFO of this topic because obiviously you are out of place here.



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[DikkyRay]

as much as i hate to say it.... AL1STOR has very good points about the 2 crea dubs
My good friend has 3 rucars. No not hax. Why? We gave them to him!
So if you see him with 3 rucars, will you call him a hacker?
Oh he has 2 serafi daggers (the uh single handed) as well

[magenta]

My good friend has 3 rucars. No not hax. Why? We gave them to him!
So if you see him with 3 rucars, will you call him a hacker?



well ill hold my horses with the 3 rucars.
im not saying that people with them should be called haxors, but its a different matter when it comes to the item themselves

rucars were also haxduped a lot prior to their release and the major item patch (which didnt wipe existing ones out - but prevents anymore from being non-legitimately made - hopefully)

add to that the rarerity of finding the ingredients (2 carriguine blades) and the board, as well as the fact that not really many people hunted for it (as blackheart can be found on c-rank as well)

then youll start to see why i even doubt a single legit rucar exists - theres also very little proof of a rucar board having dropped (pics and/or reliable sources)- just odd vague story here in there (particularly about a board being on sale in the xbox 360 version).

same thing with kohibumiteri - only rarer since its a valentines thing.

as for taking pictures of people with 2 crea doubles,
well they were dupehaxored to death, but even so id take pictures of that IF it werent for the fact that crea doubles can be relatively (compared to rucar and kohibumiteri - and even halarod) easier to find - i.e. s - s2 level runs at linear line quests, dropping from (i think) almost any creature there. And ive also known legit people who found their crea doubles board.

ive also been reminded of major dupehaxing of 9* weapons (specifically ones with high% - or mass board duping to obtain high %), but this is a more difficult case than with crea doubles as many people got high %s legitimately (processing boards in bundles at a time - add many people doing that - result in at least few with high %s).


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[magenta]

while shopping i came across this conversation

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8541/psu20070511085716004hf7.jpg

using mod chips to hack psu pc http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif?
i wonder if theres any truth to this.

[VanHalen]

This topic scares me in a way. How do you find these conversations? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[magenta]

i give my PM soiled sailor moon pants, and then it sniffs them out?

[DikkyRay]

mod chip eh?
hmmm souds like a worthy investment...
/sarcasm

[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-10 19:02, magenta wrote:
i give my PM soiled sailor moon pants, and then it sniffs them out?



I gotta try that.

[aya07]

wow, U really have absolutely no life. No one would believe me if I told u that the love bow board actually dropped, so I dont try to convince people. It really looks to me like magenta is just plain jealous that she doesnt have anything http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif well sorry maybe you should get to hunting, so that someone without a life just like you can take a screenshot of you S-rank and report you to ST so that you can get harassing E-mails for no reason.

btw nice screenshot http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif ill put it on myspace http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[DikkyRay]

you are putting a PSU pic on myspace and you are saying Magenta has no life?
Lets read the topic label Oh smart one!
"Gallery of Equipped Items of QUESTIONABLE LEGITIMACY"
Magenta was not sure that it was legit, so she(he?) took a pic of it incase it wasnt. That way we would know said player with equipment was a hacker.
As it turns out, the player is not a hacker, but is actually a jerk that has no life.

[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-30 15:14, DikkyRay wrote:
you are putting a PSU pic on myspace and you are saying Magenta has no life?


[small]Both my PSU character and I are on my myspace ._. . It's an advertisment for this game.

[Kion]

On 2007-05-10 18:10, magenta wrote:

using mod chips to hack psu pc http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif?
i wonder if theres any truth to this.



if it's for ps2, modchips would be very difficult. The sony has the DNAS that checks what hardware you're using before it lets you connect. I tried getting psu onto my ps2 hardrive to eliminate lag with no luck. (guess i'll have to go ps3 or pc)

I'm not so worried about hackers. The fun of psu is hunting, and having the ability to have as many weapons and do what you want; the game will get old quickly. I just wish they wouldn't spread fake items/ meseta around. if they contributed stats/pics to the item data base it'd be good for everyone so we know what's in store for us.


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[Nedeti]

its over no more hackers

[VanHalen]

On 2007-06-23 00:28, Nedeti wrote:
its over no more hackers




We can never be too sure.
*Pulls out a Raygun^

[fgfdsas]

On 2007-05-29 13:10, aya07 wrote:
WOW U RILLY HAEV ABSOLUTALEY NO LIEF!!!11!1!1 OMG LOL NO ONE WUD BLEIV3 MA IF I 2LD U TAHT TEH LUV BOW BOARD ACTUALY DROPED SO I DONT TRY 2 CONVINCE PEOPLE!1!1! OMG LOL IT RILLY LOKS 2 ME LIEK MAEGNTA SI JUST PLANE JAALOS TAHT SHA DOESNT HAEV ANYTHNG WEL SORY MAYB U SHUD GAT 2 HUNTNG SO TAHT SOMEONE WITHOUT A LIEF JUST LIEK U CAN TAEK A SCRENSHOT OF U S-RANK AND REPORT U 2 ST SO TAHT U CAN GET HARASNG A-MALES FOR NO REASON!!!!1! LOL

BTW NIEC SCRENSHOT IL PUT IT ON MYSPAEC



lol, i can't understand a thing you said.

[ljkkjlcm9]

first of all, I know there are hackers out there. Secondly I know what they can do at this point. Third, after sitting in lobbies, viewing trade lists etc. I have a pretty clear picture of a few hackers. Now I have no hard proof, and the way it works at this point, there is no way to actually tell. But I strongly believe it about a few people.

For all those that think PSU is hack free, you must be seriously kidding yourselves.

THE JACKEL

[DikkyRay]

On 2007-06-23 00:28, Nedeti wrote:
its over no more hackers

You niave little boy

[magenta]

On 2007-05-29 13:10, aya07 wrote:
wow, U really have absolutely no life. No one would believe me if I told u that the love bow board actually dropped, so I dont try to convince people. It really looks to me like magenta is just plain jealous that she doesnt have anything http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif well sorry maybe you should get to hunting, so that someone without a life just like you can take a screenshot of you S-rank and report you to ST so that you can get harassing E-mails for no reason.

btw nice screenshot http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif ill put it on myspace http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



sheer idiocy
what do I - being a fortefighter - need a bow for?
and read the thread title carefully, plus my justification as to why i still think this love bow is still a questionable item.

[Reginaldo]

oh noes i have two hpc's

[XenithFlare]

The only thing that bothers me is when people will not trade for anything unless you have signed and hardcopied proof that an item you have is legit. Do you all honestly expect everyone to screencap every single time you get a rare? What about those on PS2 who have no way to screencap anything?

This is the main reason I couldn't care less about item legitimacy; I have no way to prove anything, so I won't ask it of others. It's a pointless venture.

[DikkyRay]

On 2007-06-23 05:11, fgfdsas wrote:

On 2007-05-29 13:10, aya07 wrote:
WOW U RILLY HAEV ABSOLUTALEY NO LIEF!!!11!1!1 OMG LOL NO ONE WUD BLEIV3 MA IF I 2LD U TAHT TEH LUV BOW BOARD ACTUALY DROPED SO I DONT TRY 2 CONVINCE PEOPLE!1!1! OMG LOL IT RILLY LOKS 2 ME LIEK MAEGNTA SI JUST PLANE JAALOS TAHT SHA DOESNT HAEV ANYTHNG WEL SORY MAYB U SHUD GAT 2 HUNTNG SO TAHT SOMEONE WITHOUT A LIEF JUST LIEK U CAN TAEK A SCRENSHOT OF U S-RANK AND REPORT U 2 ST SO TAHT U CAN GET HARASNG A-MALES FOR NO REASON!!!!1! LOL

BTW NIEC SCRENSHOT IL PUT IT ON MYSPAEC



lol, i can't understand a thing you said.


XD win.



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[SStrikerR]

wow, this topic is dumb, theres no more pics, just people arguing.

[magenta]

hmm bumpy
i wonder if this needs to be updated with the recent ongoings lol

*edits title to something more appropriate*

[imfanboy]

You're looking askance at those guys with some of the uber-rares too? That one party where the one guy has a Psycho Wand, and another has the Agito Repca?

...Yeah. I know for a FACT that if they had cheated weapons and just left those weapons in their PM until they were released, no problem at all in pulling them out.

On the other hand, someone I know got FOUR of the 10* bow boards before he gave up on Grove of Fanatics. It is not outside the realm of probability that those weapons are legit...

....Sigh. There's no way to tell, and no way to accuse without more sure proof. That's why I never posted shots of those people with all 50% 9* weapons, because even though that's how I would have cheated (the smart way) by making 9* weapons for free until I got plenty of 50%s, they could have been legit too.

[magenta]

On 2007-09-04 11:25, imfanboy wrote:
You're looking askance at those guys with some of the uber-rares too? That one party where the one guy has a Psycho Wand, and another has the Agito Repca?

...Yeah. I know for a FACT that if they had cheated weapons and just left those weapons in their PM until they were released, no problem at all in pulling them out.

On the other hand, someone I know got FOUR of the 10* bow boards before he gave up on Grove of Fanatics. It is not outside the realm of probability that those weapons are legit...

....Sigh. There's no way to tell, and no way to accuse without more sure proof. That's why I never posted shots of those people with all 50% 9* weapons, because even though that's how I would have cheated (the smart way) by making 9* weapons for free until I got plenty of 50%s, they could have been legit too.



It will always be hard to tell
but just wanted to bring attention to the current situation with people showing off their wares in a rather foolish manner and bringing too much undue attention to themselves.
otherwise really, with the amount of s-ranks already available this thread is practically obselete.
(though im still fairly certain that love bows have never been availabe to us)



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[Ryna]

At this point, most of the S-Ranks have been released. There is no real way of distinguishing cheaters from legitimate finds. Also, since this is a several week old bump, I'm going to lock this thread.