Do you think Moatoob will be purified by the end of FB?

[Jakosifer]

Alot of people are saying that Parum is the planet that wont get any Purification points. But if any planet doesn't get purified, Im starting to believe it is Moatoob. Most forget the fact that once the two new missions for Parum come out, that everyone will come straight from Neudaiz to go do that and spam it to their hearts content. Leaving Moatoob to remain infected until the end of the event. So what do you guys think?



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[Eliash]

From Neudaiz to Moatoob and back again in 7 days! I hope ><

[WaveofBabies]

i don't see how parum isn't getting points if everyone is spamming sea of flames A for money.

on that note, weren't we supposed to get a mission worth 28K a run today?

[Kinako78]

Well, right now, Parum is still at 0%, so I'll probably play there when I get on again.

[Sylpheed]

On 2007-06-01 08:57, WaveofBabies wrote:
i don't see how parum isn't getting points if everyone is spamming sea of flames A for money.

on that note, weren't we supposed to get a mission worth 28K a run today?



That's next weeks update.

[Eleina]

Hopefully when neudaiz is done ppl will stop playing there and get moatoob done!

[Golto]

I'd say 2% chance Moatoob will reach 100%. People just don't like it especially 360 people.

[Jakosifer]

Neudaiz is at 94% right now, since the last time I checked. Moatoob is at 14-15% and Parum of course is at 0%. But if we get the new missions next week, noones going to worry about Moatoob in the slightest. By the end of this event Im thinking Moatoob will have at the most...35% Purification. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

(Also is it just me or is it annoying to see lvl 15 characters with lvl 5 Advance classes running around? >_>)



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[JAFO22000]

On 2007-06-01 09:07, Golto wrote:
I'd say 2% chance Moatoob will reach 100%. People just don't like it especially 360 people.



I like it....

[Kinako78]

Tell ya what. Once Moatoob has the lowest percentage, I'll go there instead of Parum.

[akratic]

On 2007-06-01 09:10, Kinako78 wrote:
Tell ya what. Once Moatoob has the lowest percentage, I'll go there instead of Parum.

What you miss is that Parum will shortly be getting missions that attract the population. So there is a prime lull, between the purification of Neudaiz and the new missions, to focus on Moatoob.

[CelestialBlade]

I've been soloing on Moatoob for this very reason, I have no doubt that Parum will get purified. I just hope I don't end up as the only one there once the new Parum missions come out....

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-06-01 09:07, Jakomay_07 wrote:
Neudaiz is at 94% right now, since the last time I checked. Moatoob is at 14-15% and Parum of course is at 0%. But if we get the new missions next week, noones going to worry about Moatoob in the slightest.

Collectively we cleared Neu in about 1 week, right?

Supposing Mot gets about the same amount of attention once Neu is at 100%, I think we'll see it clear or close to it before the Parum super-missions come along.

[Eleina]

On 2007-06-01 09:35, panzer_unit wrote:

On 2007-06-01 09:07, Jakomay_07 wrote:
Neudaiz is at 94% right now, since the last time I checked. Moatoob is at 14-15% and Parum of course is at 0%. But if we get the new missions next week, noones going to worry about Moatoob in the slightest.

Collectively we cleared Neu in about 1 week, right?

Supposing Mot gets about the same amount of attention once Neu is at 100%, I think we'll see it clear or close to it before the Parum super-missions come along.



Not to mention that moatoob has already had 15% done!!

[Zorafim]

Moatoob will get a few of my favorite S rank weapons, so you'll see me there. As to whether or not I get any of them, iunno.

[akratic]

On 2007-06-01 09:50, Zorafim wrote:
Moatoob will get a few of my favorite S rank weapons, so you'll see me there. As to whether or not I get any of them, iunno.

Huh?

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-06-01 09:50, Zorafim wrote:
Moatoob will get a few of my favorite S rank weapons, so you'll see me there. As to whether or not I get any of them, iunno.



? I was unaware that Moatoob was getting any S ranks for the Firebreak event...I though only Parum will have the drops when the two new missions are added.

[Zorafim]

There's not much to explain. Moatoob will get lv100+ monsters, said monsters will drop S rank weapons. I want those S ranks, so I'll be on Moatoob.

[Golto]

Not for Fire Break Zorafim. Only Parum will get lvl 100 monsters in Fire Break missions. Some of the monsters will be native to Moatoob but on Parum.

[Kinako78]

On 2007-06-01 09:17, akratic wrote:

On 2007-06-01 09:10, Kinako78 wrote:
Tell ya what. Once Moatoob has the lowest percentage, I'll go there instead of Parum.

What you miss is that Parum will shortly be getting missions that attract the population. So there is a prime lull, between the purification of Neudaiz and the new missions, to focus on Moatoob.



uh, no, I didn't miss that. That's why I said I'd start going to Moatoob.

[Kylie]

Neudaiz will be done soon, and people are going to be grinding the hell out of Parum once the three new s-rank weapons are available as drops. *nod* Moatoob worries me because it has just one mission, and that mission can be pretty difficult (especially the end with the twelve or more vears). But we have a good while before the event is over, so I think we can do it. As long as people aren't selfish and still do Parum and Neudaiz after they've been purified for the prizes, which I can actually see happening...

[Kinako78]

Maybe we should join up on Moatoob, Kylie? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Kylie]

I'm one of those people that will be doing Parum and Neudaiz after they're done...

...joking. xd Though, I did feel guilty last night for doing the HIVE and De Ragnus for experience, but you have to understand that I haven't gotten good experience in like a month. ;-; I guess we can meet up and play, Kinako; PM me. =D

[AtomicHunter]

HI everyone I love Moatoob its my fav firebreak mission, If any of you guys wont to join me and purify Moatoob look for AJAX on the 360 and im sure once neudaiz is finished ppl will jump onto Moatoob I dont think 360 ppl intentionaly avoid moatoob but its tricky to S rank it with 4 guardians who are strong enough to get the job done, again if you are up to the challenge look for AJAX and well nail it. MY average kill count with random parties is between 147-161.
AJAX Fortegunner lvl 80
All PAs at 30
Proud owner of Meteor cannon Degahnna cannon and Stormline Armor

[Kinako78]

I'm on PS2, Hunter, sorry. Otherwise, I'd gladly join you.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-06-01 11:28, Kinako78 wrote:

On 2007-06-01 09:17, akratic wrote:

On 2007-06-01 09:10, Kinako78 wrote:
Tell ya what. Once Moatoob has the lowest percentage, I'll go there instead of Parum.

What you miss is that Parum will shortly be getting missions that attract the population. So there is a prime lull, between the purification of Neudaiz and the new missions, to focus on Moatoob.



uh, no, I didn't miss that. That's why I said I'd start going to Moatoob.



See akratic, what you miss is that Kinako can purify Moatoob all by himself.

[Kinako78]

*rolls eyes* First off, I'm a SHE. Second, I'm aware I can't do it by myself, but every little bit helps, right?

[pikachief]

THIS FIRE BREAK MOATOOB IS MY FAVORITE MISSION! and i usually hate everything that has to do with maotoob!

im gonna be there non-stop now that theres gonna be people to join! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

oh and im gonna be sad when they take this mission out http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Sasamichan]

On 2007-06-01 08:59, Sylpheed wrote:

On 2007-06-01 08:57, WaveofBabies wrote:
i don't see how parum isn't getting points if everyone is spamming sea of flames A for money.

on that note, weren't we supposed to get a mission worth 28K a run today?



That's next weeks update.



Huh? What? I don't remember them announcing those missions will be added.

[Jakosifer]

x_x Neudaiz is 7million points over purification. Moatoob is at 35% and Friday nears... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Eleina]

On 2007-06-06 06:24, Jakomay_07 wrote:
x_x Neudaiz is 7million points over purification. Moatoob is at 25% and Friday nears... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



Fixed...only 25%

[Jakosifer]

>_< *my hope for Moatoob = gone* >>

[pikachief]

i say we all get into parties of 2 and do the C rank version of moatoob! we can get everything done really fast that way AND its not that hard to find a party!(cuz no one cares about this event on the 360 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif )

[chibiLegolas]

Depends. Moatoob might still have hope depending how fast Parum reaches 100%.
If ppl go crazy on Parum and reach 100% within a week, ppl might migrate to Moatoob and get back to work on that.

[VanHalen]

On 2007-06-06 13:36, chibiLegolas wrote:
Depends. Moatoob might still have hope depending how fast Parum reaches 100%.
If ppl go crazy on Parum and reach 100% within a week, ppl might migrate to Moatoob and get back to work on that.


I hope your right. *prays she's right*

No wait I forgot about my sig. I'm at a firm possibly.

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[pikachief]

On 2007-06-06 13:36, chibiLegolas wrote:
Depends. Moatoob might still have hope depending how fast Parum reaches 100%.
If ppl go crazy on Parum and reach 100% within a week, ppl might migrate to Moatoob and get back to work on that.



if people dont leave our missions for our current rewards wat makes u think they'll leave for the new missions rewards!?

i need to change my sig to "if Moatoob reaches %100, I'll host a big giveaway/party at the oasis that day"

[Golto]

We know it won't hit 100% because the 360 players don't play it nearly as much as needed. Pc/ps2 players are earning nearly the same amount of points for Moatoob daily since Neudiaz hit 100% as the 360 players have eventhough pc/ps2 has 1/4th the population.

[akratic]

On 2007-06-06 14:14, Golto wrote:
We know it won't hit 100% because the 360 players don't play it nearly as much as needed. Pc/ps2 players are earning nearly the same amount of points for Moatoob daily since Neudiaz hit 100% as the 360 players have eventhough pc/ps2 has 1/4th the population.

Hey golto, how many srank weapons do you have and what was your max meseta?

[pikachief]

On 2007-06-06 14:14, Golto wrote:
We know it won't hit 100% because the 360 players don't play it nearly as much as needed. Pc/ps2 players are earning nearly the same amount of points for Moatoob daily since Neudiaz hit 100% as the 360 players have eventhough pc/ps2 has 1/4th the population.



lol i wad on universe 1 last night and i was like im gonna do a moatoob mission!

i get there and there are 4 people there! and 2 were AFK >.> i think tehre was like 4-5 missions going on! and yes the universe was full. This is my favorite mission in the game and i was hoping now that nudaiz is doen people would finally start doing it but they dont http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[A2K]

On 2007-06-06 14:14, Golto wrote:
We know it won't hit 100% because the 360 players don't play it nearly as much as needed. Pc/ps2 players are earning nearly the same amount of points for Moatoob daily since Neudiaz hit 100% as the 360 players have eventhough pc/ps2 has 1/4th the population.

We are all working towards the same goals here, regardless of platform. If the roles had been reversed and the larger bulk of the population was on PC/PS2, things would not likely be different from now in the least.

Singling out Xbox 360 players, especially the ones on this forum who've been actually working on Moatoob diligently, will only foster further mistrust between them, much less change the situation in-game.

[Garnet_Moon]

On 2007-06-06 13:36, chibiLegolas wrote:
Depends. Moatoob might still have hope depending how fast Parum reaches 100%.
If ppl go crazy on Parum and reach 100% within a week, ppl might migrate to Moatoob and get back to work on that.


Uh, no. Burning Rangers theme + getting as many new S-Ranks as you can + Parum = Nobody but a few will go back to Moatoob once the new FB missions are out.

I, for one, ain't leaving Parum until the event is over. And even then, i'll crawl right back to CBS2 and MBS2(soon, 20k tnl 75)

[Golto]

On 2007-06-06 14:21, akratic wrote:

On 2007-06-06 14:14, Golto wrote:
We know it won't hit 100% because the 360 players don't play it nearly as much as needed. Pc/ps2 players are earning nearly the same amount of points for Moatoob daily since Neudiaz hit 100% as the 360 players have eventhough pc/ps2 has 1/4th the population.

Hey golto, how many srank weapons do you have and what was your max meseta?



Just 1 srank weapon and 1 srank armor which I got to drop just before the Fire Break event started in MB S2. I'm not sure how much money but in the millions due to shop sales.

I have done over 100 Moatoob Fire Break runs so far. Averging over 350 points a run thats 35000 points. Still thats just one person over a 10 day period. If the bulk of 360 people doing Neudiaz could spare 1 hour a day to doing Moatoob C runs we could reach the goal.

The percentage of pc/ps2 players doing the Moatoob missions is so just much higher than the 360 players. If population roles were reversed we would have add close to 800k more points to Moatoob a day after Neudiaz hit 100%. 360 has picked up just a little this week in doing Moatoob but not enough to reach 100%. During the week 300k-400k points a day to Moatoob some days more half of that from pc/ps2 alone.

Pc/ps2 does have a small problem with people still doing Neudiaz but it is so much smaller than 360. The pc/ps2 population is so small that if even if everyone doing Fire Break missions only did Moatoob we could not reach the 20 million points goal by the time the event ends.

Since Neudiaz hit 100% 360 has earned just under 6 million more points to Neudiaz. Pc/ps2 roughly 1.2 million. That's a 5:1 ratio, before Neudiaz hit 100% the ratio was 3.2~3.3:1 in 360's favor. See the pattern here? 360 players stayed at Neudiaz while a lot of pc/ps2 players moved on.

Now lets look at the number for Moatoob.
360 earned just under 1 million since Neudiaz hit 100%. Pc/ps2 has earned 870k for Moatoob in the same period of time with 1/4th the population. If the populations were reversed 250k for 360, 3.48 million for pc/ps2. 1.87 million versus 3.98 million.

People can take this anyway they want but the numbers do not lie. Nearly 4 times as many pc/ps2 players population percentage-wise are doing Moatoob when compared to 360 players.

So if you are on 360 please ask your friends to do some Moatoob runs inctead of Neudiaz runs.

[JAFO22000]

Where are these numbers coming from? If all of our point scores are added together, how can you differentiate between the two servers? Is there a page on the FB website I didn't see?

[Garnet_Moon]

On 2007-06-06 15:59, JAFO22000 wrote:
Where are these numbers coming from? If all of our point scores are added together, how can you differentiate between the two servers? Is there a page on the FB website I didn't see?




I think someone is hacking the website and getting exact numbers from the source code as it updates. I think. Maybe hacking isn't the right word.

[Garanz-Baranz]

This is annoying.

I dout we'll get to the final goal... even with the Frying Pan as a goal Item...

With Neudaiz still raging over the population, and Parum's 'Burning Guarden A' giving around 130 MP in only 5-7 minutes, it's gona be Moatoob's end...

[Kinako78]

On 2007-06-06 16:17, Garanz-Baranz wrote:
This is annoying.

I dout we'll get to the final goal... even with the Frying Pan as a goal Item...

With Neudaiz still raging over the population, and Parum's 'Burning Guarden A' giving around 130 MP in only 5-7 minutes, it's gona be Moatoob's end...



Except nobody's going to Parum! I can vouch for this!

[Helly]

I've had an easier time finding a Moatoob team than a Parum one this whole event. Of course I love helping out Moatoob but for variety sake I wanna do the original Parum FB missions more then a whopping 3 times... >_<

[Golto]

On 2007-06-06 16:01, Garnet_Moon wrote:

On 2007-06-06 15:59, JAFO22000 wrote:
Where are these numbers coming from? If all of our point scores are added together, how can you differentiate between the two servers? Is there a page on the FB website I didn't see?




I think someone is hacking the website and getting exact numbers from the source code as it updates. I think. Maybe hacking isn't the right word.



I like the term 'peaking' at the FB point database by 'modifing' the swf file. This is not my site.

http://psutopia.com/library/firebreak

When the event ends we very well could get a point breakdown by server in the end report/graphs etc.

[A2K]

Oh, not even. What they've done is simply view the XML files the game servers themselves generate. No database diving required.

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/event/fire2007_jp/us-x360-fire-erosion-sweep-2007.xml

http://phantasystaruniverse.jp/event/fire2007_jp/us-pcps2-fire-erosion-sweep-2007.xml

[Golto]

Sweet A2K now all the doubters can see the totals for themselves. I saw some of that in the html but I thought it was a java call or something.

[hana77]

Ahhhahh, its out.

I guess I can tell.
From what dream explained to me, they do grep calls to the xml data, at regular intervals.
I think he was planning on making a chart of some sort.

Also I don't believe its a java call GolGol.
If you debug the flash file, you can find out the relative location of xml files its calling.

Well at least people will stop doubting.

[Sekani]

Moatoob will not get 100%, because the people that want to see it happen are complete and total failures at convincing other people that their goal is a worthwhile one.

You have no idea how much Golto's comments (among others) are hurting your cause.

[Midicronica]

Nope.

[A2K]

On 2007-06-06 15:43, Golto wrote:
The percentage of pc/ps2 players doing the Moatoob missions is so just much higher than the 360 players. If population roles were reversed we would have add close to 800k more points to Moatoob a day after Neudiaz hit 100%.

That can't be said with any real certainty. If the population roles were reversed, another likely result would be that the same or equivalent subset of players still spamming Neudaiz on 360 would simply be on the PC/PS2 servers doing... guess what? Still spamming Neudaiz.

Player attitudes and intentions are not platform-dependent. The individual platform numbers are interesting, but on no more than an anecdotal level. When it's all said and done, the only number that truly matters is the total.

As has been stated about two or three times previous, continuing to assail the 360 base about this will only serve to alienate them--which, of course, doesn't help anyone.

[Eeyore]

Those numbers don't show the percentage of high levels and low levels that make up the servers. I don't what it is like but if 360 was made up by higher percentage low levels, that's probably why they aren't doing as good with Moatoob.

[pikachief]

On 2007-06-06 23:13, Eeyore wrote:
Those numbers don't show the percentage of high levels and low levels that make up the servers. I don't what it is like but if 360 was made up by higher percentage low levels, that's probably why they aren't doing as good with Moatoob.






it could be that there is like 10 missions in the moatoob mission counters ON BOTH UNIVERSES TOGETHER! wow, theres alot more low levels on nudaiz than parum cuz people are getting mission points for their alts.

i went to the moatoob lobby last night on uni. 1 and there was 4 people there!

[Golto]

On 2007-06-06 19:54, Sekani wrote:
Moatoob will not get 100%, because the people that want to see it happen are complete and total failures at convincing other people that their goal is a worthwhile one.

You have no idea how much Golto's comments (among others) are hurting your cause.



Yes its all my fault that 360 players are still spamming Lab S2 and are so worried about earning their precious MP doing the neudiaz FB mission.

First 360 players here give the excuse of the majority of 360 players not doing Moatoob as most don't visit msgbs to know to move on. So whatever I type won't reach the greedy players and insult their senstitive egos to make them not move on the Moatoob. Which they had no intention of doing Moatoob FB in the first place anyways.

Second 360 players whine that the Moatoob FB is too hard and the payout isn't worth it. I guess they can't figure out that they could earn a lot of exp doing the Moatoob mission and save the money/mp earning for after the FB event ends?

Third you give the excuse that 360 has a large % of low lvls. a group of lvl 20's can get close to sranking the Moatoob C mission, close to 300 points is good enough. I'm willing to bet a lot of so called low lvls are just people's alts. Why can't the high lvls spamming Lab S2 and MC S go to Moattoob to help all your low lvls do a few Maootb C runs? I frequently have chars at and around lvl 20 in my Moatoob C runs w/ my maxxed char.

This is a limited event why not try and help everyone out by doing a few Moatoob C runs a day? Or will doing 4 less Lab S2 runs or 8 less Mad Creatures S runs a day hurt their wallets too much?

You 360 players have to be honest here, Moatoob failing falls on your shoulders here. You have 4x the population yet have earned only 59% of the total Moatoob points, it should be near 80% like Neudiaz. If 360 players were doing Moatoob at the same rate as pc/ps2 players we would have 4~5 million more points to Moatoob.

[Eleina]

Go go go neudaiz!!!! 28 mil ain't enough neudaiz must get 30 mil before the new parum missions come!!!

[Arika]

Moatoob is DOOMED!
every beast is gonna die~! ><
and Laia will break your arm!! ;_;

[Raven5_1]

On 2007-06-07 05:19, Arika wrote:
Moatoob is DOOMED!
every beast is gonna die~! ><
and Laia will break your arm!! ;_;



but if every beast dies doesnt that include laia? so she wouldnt get to break your arm?

[Shiryuu]

It'd be hilarious if all beasts characters get deleted at the end of the event...

[Arika]

not what I mean is excluding NPC
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Genetic population : selective pressure will lower the relative fitness of beast, and the allele frequncey of Beast in the Hardy-Weinberge equilibrium will be equal to zero <,<

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[Eleina]

On 2007-06-07 05:24, Shiryuu wrote:
It'd be hilarious if all beasts characters get deleted at the end of the event...



And Sega would lose the few customers they still have..

[Shiryuu]

On 2007-06-07 05:47, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-06-07 05:24, Shiryuu wrote:
It'd be hilarious if all beasts characters get deleted at the end of the event...



And Sega would lose the few customers they still have..


Hilarious nonetheless.

[physic]

they should take away all clothes and gear on the burned world, goodbye shotguns fists grnades axes HAHAHAHAHHAAHA to bad you let it burn punks! Also i think some of the next clothes is from moatoob, could be parum i suppose.


Wow neudaiz is like 9 mil over, man what a waste, people are wimpy. nudaiz has to be the most boring and lackluster missions, but yall look like your gonna double more than neudaiz points before moatoob even breaks 30% oh well, be funny if we get a wack item since moatoob burned.
everyone gets saber+10 for the event!


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[Akaimizu]

You probably have all those people who are doing all missions, getting the PA frags, but S-ing the Neudiaz missions. Hopefully tonight, I can get on for some serious Moatoob/Parum firebreak runs.

And don't forget, the addition of the two new Firebreak missions is practically designed to help accellerate the purification on Parum.

[Sekani]

Golto, it's a good thing you're not a politician. Your diplomacy skills would start the next world war.

Of course you're not ruining things on your own, you've had help from other 360-bashers on here and on the official forums, but I'm singling you out in particular because you're the most vocal source of haterade on this forum.

First of all, the facts: YES, 360 players are not collecting points on Moatoob at the same rate people on the PC/PS2 are. Why this is I have no idea. Do you honestly want this to change, or do you want to just bash bash and bash some more? I'm thinking it's the second option. Based on your responses lately (and other posters' as well), I can only assume that none of you are interested in getting Moatoob done, you just want an excuse to hate on 360 players.

What you're probably not aware of is that amongst the 360 players who actively post here, Moatoob actually is the most popular Firebreak mission. You probably haven't even considered that possibly because you're so busy hating. So a lot of the people who are reading your drivel are the ones who are cooperating with you for whatever reason.

And yes, I have tried coaxing others into Moatoob runs as well. But you'd be amazed at how often people decline. Their reasons? Inflammatory comments read on the official forums (and a few on this forum). I wasn't aware that the official forums were that popular on the 360 side, but apparently word gets around.

You will not get our cooperation by killing our spirit.

Now, maybe there'll be a small chance to complete Moatoob at the last minute after Parum is at 100%. However, I'll tell you right now that if the animosity I'm seeing doesn't change, I will actively campaign against all Moatoob efforts just out of spite.

[Golto]

Once the 360 players start gaining at least twice the amount of points for Moatoob a day than pc/ps2 I'll shut up Sekani. You guys have FOUR times our population. Is it really that unreasonable for such a tightknit communtiy like 360 psu to out perform less than 700 active people on pc/ps2 now is it? 700 is being generous too since pc/ps2 doesn't reach 3 full stars during peak time all the time.

I've done more than my part earning points for Moatoob but I can't do 3000+ runs a day. If i didn't want Moatoob to be 100% I could have just used my time to hunt for s ranks instead of doing more than 8 Moatoob c-b runs a day on average.

I've given you the main reasons why 360 players aren't doing their share Sekani but you don't want to address them. Sekani next tme you play during peak hours on 360 take a look at how many parties are doing Mad Creatures S, Lab Recovery S2, and the First Neudiaz Fire break mission. Now go to Moatoob and see the 3 or 4 parties there? Ask someone here that is on pc/ps2 to do the same and compare ratios of parties at those lobbies.

I do honestly thank all the 360 players who do the Moatoob mission but they are in such a minority it paints the 360 players in a bad light.

We all know that tomorrow Moatoob will be deserted and the opportunity to get it to 100% will be gone. But nothing was done after Neduiaz was 100% so I guess that boat already set sail.

Well at least if/when we get the xxxx CUP event it is more about party and single contributions so pc/ps2 doesn't have to rely on 360 players.

[Kinako78]

On 2007-06-07 07:12, Akaimizu wrote:
You probably have all those people who are doing all missions, getting the PA frags, but S-ing the Neudiaz missions. Hopefully tonight, I can get on for some serious Moatoob/Parum firebreak runs.

And don't forget, the addition of the two new Firebreak missions is practically designed to help accellerate the purification on Parum.



Ok, no one answered when I asked in another topic, so maybe someone here will: Where did you hear about new missions for Parum? Cause I've been checking the official site nonstop since I first heard about it and there's no mention of it anywhere.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-06-07 04:59, Golto wrote:
You 360 players have to be honest here, Moatoob failing falls on your shoulders here. You have 4x the population yet have earned only 59% of the total Moatoob points, it should be near 80% like Neudiaz. If 360 players were doing Moatoob at the same rate as pc/ps2 players we would have 4~5 million more points to Moatoob.



If I agree to this, than Neudaiz and Parum being purified AND the 50,000,000 point marked getting reached also falls on our shoulders.

If you are to hold us "responsible" for "failing" Moatoob, then you must also praise us for being "responsible" enough to take care of the other two planets and getting you and all PC/PS2 players your rewards.

Because, lets face it, the PC/PS2 wouldn't be even a third of the way done with Neudaiz were only their numbers counted.

Note: This is aimed at Golto only, as the rest of the PC/PS2 community seems indifferent towards it all. I really don't want to "console war" this thread, but...

[Shiryuu]

On 2007-06-07 08:44, Kinako78 wrote:

On 2007-06-07 07:12, Akaimizu wrote:
You probably have all those people who are doing all missions, getting the PA frags, but S-ing the Neudiaz missions. Hopefully tonight, I can get on for some serious Moatoob/Parum firebreak runs.

And don't forget, the addition of the two new Firebreak missions is practically designed to help accellerate the purification on Parum.



Ok, no one answered when I asked in another topic, so maybe someone here will: Where did you hear about new missions for Parum? Cause I've been checking the official site nonstop since I first heard about it and there's no mention of it anywhere.


US official site usually fails when it comes to update info.
http://xbox360.phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=64

[Kylie]

It doesn't matter, but I think we can clear it by the end of the event if we really try.

[dreamXG]

If the rate keeps up like this, I doubt it.

But there's always hope.

[chibiLegolas]

A few good points where brought up on why so many on Neudiz 360. Low leveled ppl are there farming for photons and MP no doubt. Alt characters or not, perhaps a mid-high leveled FO type could help persuade some of those to go help out on Moatoob. Promises of easy exp. and PA leveling while you stand your ground as a heal bot might persuade some to migrate to Moatoob?
Afterall, ALL low levels still need general exp and PA levels.

2nd, I've heard that some ppl might be loosing $ doing Moatoob FB missions. Is this true? I've never really calculated how much I spend on recharge cube, and my traps. But if this is true, perhaps it's another factor why 360 players are reluctant to play it since $ actually IS important over there?

But still, like I said, it can't really be helped can it? PA leveling still costs $. Well, let's not argue over silly things and have another console war debate. We're all in this TOGETHER.
You're doing your part, and I'm doing mine. All we can do is do our best and help spread the word! Coax players out of Neudiz and other missions by any means and help save Moatoob!

I still believe we can do it! We just gotta stick together (on both platforms) and try our best! In the end, win or loose, that's all I can give and I can live with that.

[Akaimizu]

I do have to admit, I did find myself pooling a bit of money, at times, just to be ready for any losses I incur by maximizing myself for the Parum/Moatoob Firebreak missions. That is, knowing I'll be stocking traps and draining bullets fast on them.

[Raven5_1]

huh? wait a moment.

there are only two recharges in the moatoob mission and the recharge at each point if i drain 3 sabers plus my guns and sword is usually under 200 mesta so i lose 400 mesta but when the mission ends, as long as i get A you get over 1000 mesta back.

people should be making money on moatoob not loosing it!

[A2K]

On 2007-06-07 08:36, Golto wrote:
Once the 360 players start gaining at least twice the amount of points for Moatoob a day than pc/ps2 I'll shut up Sekani.

Silencing yourself would probably be the best way to help your cause, if the direction this thread has gone is any indication.

Encouragement and the rallying of support of your fellow PSU players is one thing, attempting to somehow guilt them into it by continuing down this path of whining and alienation is quite the opposite.


On 2007-06-07 07:35, Sekani wrote:
Now, maybe there'll be a small chance to complete Moatoob at the last minute after Parum is at 100%. However, I'll tell you right now that if the animosity I'm seeing doesn't change, I will actively campaign against all Moatoob efforts just out of spite.

Don't be so easily swayed by such petty nonsense. Ignore it, then make your own choices from there.

This platform nonsense is really getting tiring...

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[Akaimizu]

On 2007-06-07 10:35, Raven5_1 wrote:
huh? wait a moment.

there are only two recharges in the moatoob mission and the recharge at each point if i drain 3 sabers plus my guns and sword is usually under 200 mesta so i lose 400 mesta but when the mission ends, as long as i get A you get over 1000 mesta back.

people should be making money on moatoob not loosing it!



Not for me. If I want to get through it quick I need to stock full of good G-traps, which cost 500 each, by the way. And get to shooting only my best stuff a lot. Just to keep a good required decent damage flowing. With only a 1000 meseta return, there's hardly a chance I'll gain money playing it. Of course, that's A-rank returns. I'm going for S.

I'm prepared to tackle Moatoob, but I totally expect to lose meseta on the exchange. That's why I'm hoping the Parum missions would balance it out, or I'll find myself broke and have to run non-firebreak missions in order to keep the meseta coming in.

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[Kinako78]

On 2007-06-07 09:21, Shiryuu wrote:

On 2007-06-07 08:44, Kinako78 wrote:

On 2007-06-07 07:12, Akaimizu wrote:
You probably have all those people who are doing all missions, getting the PA frags, but S-ing the Neudiaz missions. Hopefully tonight, I can get on for some serious Moatoob/Parum firebreak runs.

And don't forget, the addition of the two new Firebreak missions is practically designed to help accellerate the purification on Parum.



Ok, no one answered when I asked in another topic, so maybe someone here will: Where did you hear about new missions for Parum? Cause I've been checking the official site nonstop since I first heard about it and there's no mention of it anywhere.


US official site usually fails when it comes to update info.
http://xbox360.phantasystaruniverse.jp/news/wis/?mode=view&id=64



Too bad I can't read Japanese or this would probably clear up all my doubts.

Edit: Ok, I got a free translation and I understand now. I hope this is for the US servers, though.

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[akratic]

On 2007-06-07 08:36, Golto wrote:
We all know that tomorrow Moatoob will be deserted and the opportunity to get it to 100% will be gone. But nothing was done after Neduiaz was 100% so I guess that boat already set sail.
You mean you aren't going to stay at Moatoob until it's done?

You say you can't do enough runs by yourself.

Quitter.

[Raven5_1]

On 2007-06-07 10:39, Akaimizu wrote:

On 2007-06-07 10:35, Raven5_1 wrote:
huh? wait a moment.

there are only two recharges in the moatoob mission and the recharge at each point if i drain 3 sabers plus my guns and sword is usually under 200 mesta so i lose 400 mesta but when the mission ends, as long as i get A you get over 1000 mesta back.

people should be making money on moatoob not loosing it!



Not for me. If I want to get through it quick I need to stock full of good G-traps, which cost 500 each, by the way. And get to shooting only my best stuff a lot. Just to keep a good required decent damage flowing. With only a 1000 meseta return, there's hardly a chance I'll gain money playing it. Of course, that's A-rank returns. I'm going for S.

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you soloing or with a team, and are you doing it on C, B, or A?

Because i cant see how doing it on c with a full team could give you so much trouble that you need to stock up on traps.

[Akaimizu]

A full team is only 4 people. That's the Moatoob Limitation. Now if I can guarrantee I can always get the strong Fortetechers to come along, and they consistantly spam the strong stuff, then I'd be more or less riding on their DPS. However, if I'm to contribute similarly, I need to spend the big cash.

Last thing I need is people to think I'm being a space-taker in that 4-person party.

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[Traize]

Its getting bloody silly, I was on yesterday & today & I couldn't find a single person running any rank for the second Parum mission on 360.

Why oh why does no one want to save Parum???

[Kinako78]

If I was on 360, I'd help you, Traize.

[physic]

well i wont say that xbox sucks, or PC rules. NA is weak.

I had high hopes that we could match the jp, believe it or not ST looks at these events when deciding if you guys give a damn about the events. It doesnt look as good when we dont reach our goals, when Sega is going to sponsors trying to say look how much playing we get done here, maybe you should sponsor our events, or tell gaming mags hey promote our game, or this event so as to increase users they look at things like this. Japan can show people look we achieved thsi type of goal this fast. Now its looking like we may not achieve the same.

Now when some one in the sega office is like, why bother with these events, we only look bad, and the playerbase doesnt care, they can point to lackluster participation in this event. They can say, oh NA is more about leveling up or the bottomline than events, its a waste of our energy to put this stuff out, all they need is crimson beast or labs S2. The Na market just isnt about evenets.

I dont look at it as a xbox thing, just that we as NA will not look as good if we dont complete this event. The jp totalled way past this they had moatoob finished by this time. their total points was incredibly high if we cant even hit the bottom of this goal, i dont know if we will be getting future events, or we will get scaled back ones(less prizes/rewards/lower goals). goodbye Famitsu, the user base would rather do labs why bother.

In closing MOATOOB WILL BURN FOREVER LIKE RED HELL goodbye moatoob i will miss you. In the flames of moatoob may lie our future events.

[Golto]

On 2007-06-07 10:42, akratic wrote:

On 2007-06-07 08:36, Golto wrote:
We all know that tomorrow Moatoob will be deserted and the opportunity to get it to 100% will be gone. But nothing was done after Neduiaz was 100% so I guess that boat already set sail.
You mean you aren't going to stay at Moatoob until it's done?

You say you can't do enough runs by yourself.

Quitter.



Lol this coming from someone who has done how many Moatoob runs? Once you've completed over 100, which I have, you can speak. On average if the 20 million point total for Moatoob were to be equally spread out by everyone it would only take 25~30 runs each. So I've already done 3-4 persons' share.
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JAFO22000 Ok i'll give you that 360 has done Neudiaz, to death. Thanks 360 people for Neudiaz and probably Parum. But if the server goals were seperated the total would have to be lowered for pc/ps2 becuase of the low population. 360 has ~80% of the total population. So shouldn't 360 guys earn 80% the points? 360 has about 75% of the total points but only 60% of the points earned for Moatoob. 20% might sound small but you have to consider that increase by a factor of 4. Meaning millions of points.

The goal of the event is to 100% purify all 3 planets not get 2 and forget about the 3rd being Moatoob and see how many extra points we can earn for Neudiaz. The total % is too skewed by the extra points for Neudiaz. Factor out the extra Neudiaz points by 360 and pc/ps2 the % 360 has earned drops to 58%. 58% is a lot lower than 80% isn't it?

If the goal of the event was to earn the most possible points regardless of leaving a planet under 50% then 360 are the winners.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-06-07 11:23, physic wrote:
well i wont say that xbox sucks, or PC rules. NA is weak.

I had high hopes that we could match the jp, believe it or not ST looks at these events when deciding if you guys give a damn about the events. It doesnt look as good when we dont reach our goals, when Sega is going to sponsors trying to say look how much playing we get done here, maybe you should sponsor our events, or tell gaming mags hey promote our game, or this event so as to increase users they look at things like this. Japan can show people look we achieved thsi type of goal this fast. Now its looking like we may not achieve the same.


Um, you don't know much about marketers then. If SoA is indeed looking for a sponsor, they will get one by spinning the "truth" to them.



bother with these events, we only look bad, and the playerbase doesnt care, they can point to lackluster participation in this event. They can say, oh NA is more about leveling up or the bottomline than events, its a waste of our energy to put this stuff out, all they need is crimson beast or labs S2. The Na market just isnt about evenets.


There is not "lackluster participation" in this event. Have you seen our total points? Maybe, just maybe when this event is over they will look at the total and say: "Well, Parum and Neudaiz were popular, but Moatoob was not. Let's find out why this one planet was not as popular and fix it!"



I dont look at it as a xbox thing, just that we as NA will not look as good if we dont complete this event. The jp totalled way past this they had moatoob finished by this time. their total points was incredibly high if we cant even hit the bottom of this goal, i dont know if we will be getting future events, or we will get scaled back ones(less prizes/rewards/lower goals). goodbye Famitsu, the user base would rather do labs why bother.


The JP servers required less points per mission and their userbase is much greater than NA/EU combined.

In closing our participation only bad on one planet. If you had a movie theater with three movies showing and two of them constantly sold out, yet the third had sparse ticket sales would you wreck the whole theater because one screen was not selling well or would you change the movie being played in that theater?

[DAMASCUS]

Is it my imagination or are we getting a little overly agitated given that the event is not even half way over and we have made predictable progress so far. Moatoob is going to suffer for a week while Parum gets spammed BUT once Parum is 100% which should be done by June 19( place bets? ) we will have a week and a half for the final push on Moatoob. Being that it will be closer to the deadline I AM betting that people will be much more focused and determined to see it through. Moatoob will get 100%...at the last possible minute.

[-Tidus_415-]

I have been on both the PC/PS2 server and 360 server.

All I have to say is that the PC/PS2 community is a hell of a lot better than the 360. On the 360 there is wayyyyyyyyyyy too many selfish people. I have yet to find one person that I can fully trust to help me hunt rare boards or units. While I was on the PC/PS2 I had about at least 10-15 trustworthy people.

So my point is. 360 players dont give a shit about firebreak. All they care about is being rich, having 4 alt characters LV80 and maxed out classes.

[Akaimizu]

While I wouldn't say that's 100% true, but you do realize a different economy model completely makes some of this understandable. We're talking about a difference when meseta isn't an object to one that does. That changes so much. A lot care about being rich, but that's in-comparison to servers where they already are rich, and have all kinds of stuff that makes doing Firebreak runs, easier.

You might as well compare Compton to Beverly Hills.

Not to mention, this current timing of the event comes across a few other factors. I don't often see as many of my friends online, and part of that is because of a few big recent releases.

But when things are on an even keel, they tend to act just alike. FFXI being a great proven example.

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[physic]

On 2007-06-07 11:50, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-06-07 11:23, physic wrote:
well i wont say that xbox sucks, or PC rules. NA is weak.

I had high hopes that we could match the jp, believe it or not ST looks at these events when deciding if you guys give a damn about the events. It doesnt look as good when we dont reach our goals, when Sega is going to sponsors trying to say look how much playing we get done here, maybe you should sponsor our events, or tell gaming mags hey promote our game, or this event so as to increase users they look at things like this. Japan can show people look we achieved thsi type of goal this fast. Now its looking like we may not achieve the same.


Um, you don't know much about marketers then. If SoA is indeed looking for a sponsor, they will get one by spinning the "truth" to them.



bother with these events, we only look bad, and the playerbase doesnt care, they can point to lackluster participation in this event. They can say, oh NA is more about leveling up or the bottomline than events, its a waste of our energy to put this stuff out, all they need is crimson beast or labs S2. The Na market just isnt about evenets.


There is not "lackluster participation" in this event. Have you seen our total points? Maybe, just maybe when this event is over they will look at the total and say: "Well, Parum and Neudaiz were popular, but Moatoob was not. Let's find out why this one planet was not as popular and fix it!"



I dont look at it as a xbox thing, just that we as NA will not look as good if we dont complete this event. The jp totalled way past this they had moatoob finished by this time. their total points was incredibly high if we cant even hit the bottom of this goal, i dont know if we will be getting future events, or we will get scaled back ones(less prizes/rewards/lower goals). goodbye Famitsu, the user base would rather do labs why bother.


The JP servers required less points per mission and their userbase is much greater than NA/EU combined.

In closing our participation only bad on one planet. If you had a movie theater with three movies showing and two of them constantly sold out, yet the third had sparse ticket sales would you wreck the whole theater because one screen was not selling well or would you change the movie being played in that theater?



you can try to spin whateveryou want, but people will look at teh event and see its not completed.

lackluster participation? yes there is 300 pt per zone x 6 people 1800, in terms of gameplay these goals are not high, people are simply doing a lot of other stuff. The goal is to purify all planets, they will measure the events success by if the goal was achieved. Which its highly likely it wont be. they will look and see, the NA only want to do things with high rewards, so if an event comes out that doesnt have high rewards, they will question bothering to do it. Its a common thing when deciding whether to spend the money to translate or promote something you look at the interest. They will simply say, this event is will not appeal to NA customers. JP has used this logic many times with why they dont import everything, and they point to events like this for proof. Which even though i say is bull, has supporting evidence.

And yeah jp has more people, but they also got an incredible excess of the points needed for this event. we are at 32% at 2/5 weeks thats 32 % complete, with 40% of the time past. its possible we wont even meet the deadline, yes you can stop patting yourself on the back even with neudaiz points we are still behind.

And the event isnt a group of movies, where they will say this one movie sucked, its one event, so what they will say is uhhh this event didnt get completed.

Basically all the jp importers and the jp branch, and the NA branch heads who like to release different(see none) content will look at this event and say, i told you, those NA guys suck. All they need is crimson beast

[akratic]

On 2007-06-07 11:38, Golto wrote:

On 2007-06-07 10:42, akratic wrote:

On 2007-06-07 08:36, Golto wrote:
We all know that tomorrow Moatoob will be deserted and the opportunity to get it to 100% will be gone. But nothing was done after Neduiaz was 100% so I guess that boat already set sail.
You mean you aren't going to stay at Moatoob until it's done?

You say you can't do enough runs by yourself.

Quitter.



Lol this coming from someone who has done how many Moatoob runs? Once you've completed over 100, which I have, you can speak. On average if the 20 million point total for Moatoob were to be equally spread out by everyone it would only take 25~30 runs each. So I've already done 3-4 persons' share.
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JAFO22000 Ok i'll give you that 360 has done Neudiaz, to death. Thanks 360 people for Neudiaz and probably Parum. But if the server goals were seperated the total would have to be lowered for pc/ps2 becuase of the low population. 360 has ~80% of the total population. So shouldn't 360 guys earn 80% the points? 360 has about 75% of the total points but only 60% of the points earned for Moatoob. 20% might sound small but you have to consider that increase by a factor of 4. Meaning millions of points.

The goal of the event is to 100% purify all 3 planets not get 2 and forget about the 3rd being Moatoob and see how many extra points we can earn for Neudiaz. The total % is too skewed by the extra points for Neudiaz. Factor out the extra Neudiaz points by 360 and pc/ps2 the % 360 has earned drops to 58%. 58% is a lot lower than 80% isn't it?

If the goal of the event was to earn the most possible points regardless of leaving a planet under 50% then 360 are the winners.



Lol.

Quitter.

[Helly]

1.) Less posting, more purifying.

2.) If Moatoob doesn't get to 100% I hope they lock the space port gate to it for a month.

3.) Why do people need to recharged twice on Scorched Valley C? I never have to recharge there at all.

4.) Its not like the PS2/PC community is perfect. Sooooo many people on Moatoob, but many just standing around idling or chatting.

5.) ?? I dunno. I'm gonna take my own advice and go purify Moatoob!

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[chibiLegolas]

On 2007-06-07 12:05, DAMASCUS wrote:
Is it my imagination or are we getting a little overly agitated given that the event is not even half way over and we have made predictable progress so far. Moatoob is going to suffer for a week while Parum gets spammed BUT once Parum is 100% which should be done by June 19( place bets? ) we will have a week and a half for the final push on Moatoob. Being that it will be closer to the deadline I AM betting that people will be much more focused and determined to see it through. Moatoob will get 100%...at the last possible minute.



Here here!
I'm going straight to Parum till it's 95% and hope to get a few rares.
But skrew S rank boards! I never seem to get any with the current drop rates, so why bother? Completing this event is priority to me now compared to rare hunting.

Besides, IF I do get some rare board, and end up breaking it with my mag, I don't wanna regret wasting all that time on parum when I could of been contributing to Moatoob.
Burning Rangers GO!