Transformers

[Midicronica]

Just got back from seeing an 8pm feature of the movie. Fucking awesome movie! Not a moment I didn't like!

What'd you think?

[Orange_Coconut]

I actually didn't know much about the Transformers series in general. My friend was the one who really wanted to see it with me. So we got a huge group together and went to see it.

I actually thoroughly enjoyed the movie, I thought it was pretty damn well acted and that the Transformers were well integrated into the movie as well. Though, I guess I wouldn't know anything about the Transformers and how their original personalities/models related to how they were presented in this movie.

[amtalx]

Someone came storming into my office this morning saying how awesome the movie is. I was skeptical since Michael Bay can suck the life from just about any script, but I think i may check it out.

[Nisshoku]

I grew up with the series, and loved it.

I was this movie, and fell in love with it. If you plan to see a movie this summer, THIS IS IT.

[Leviathan]

Haha, best $10 I ever spent.

Fer shure.

Bumblebee is a cool looking Camaro, now I want a Camaro. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Starscream to me has &always will be my favorite character.
I think Michael Bay left out some loose ends to make a sequel. Starscream jets off into space. The Autobots stayed behind.

I enjoyed this movie alot. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Foxix]

Leviatha, well there are more loose ends than that if you look close enough! But zomg that was incredible!

That whole movie was just a blur of screaming robot whoop ass http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ak.gif Most movies have distinguishable action scenes, but this! Holy, it's just a massive robot battlefield.

SPOILERS:
Well, considering that starscream and if I remember right, skorpinok, both live it's likely a sequel will come. Also after megatron merges with the allspark, a tiny little bit of it is left in his chest which optimus takes http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif in addition he calls him brother which is totally new to me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

I predict, megatron's merge with the allspark later forms him into galvatron, and the tiny bit of allspark is more than likely used to tie into energon cube reference. Once starscream rebuilds his troops I'm sure we'll see him get his old personality back and try to take megatron's throne only to get his butt handed to him by galvatron. And then we'll see a bunch of the other transformers come back to meet with prime and starscream. Any way thats what I think will happen in the sequel!

BTW when in the heck did this new firefox version get spell check, holy carp thats helpful!



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[trypticon]

Yep, Foxis is right.

Having Optimus' original voice in there was a great help with the feel of the movie. I would LIKE them to get Starscream's original voice in there, too, because it made him sound so fucking evil. Soundwave's original voice would be great, too, since it was my favorite one out of all the transformers. If they get Soundwave's voice back, they'll get Megatron's since Frank Welker did both of them.

Don't read on if you don't want any spoilers

Both Scorponock and Starscream are alive at the end. Looks like Starscream went back into space to gather more Decepticon forces, and Scorponock stayed on earth to keep track of Autobot progress, or something. I can't remember, but I think Soundwave lived, too, or Frenzy, or Rumble, whomever that little bot was supposed to be. At the end, it seemed to me that the Autobots didn't react correctly to Jazz getting ripped in two. That scene seemed akward to me, not only that it happened midway through the last battle, positioning it a little bit too far back for the oomph they were going for, but also that when it was brought to Optimus' attention, he was all like. "Yeah, we lost a brave comrad. We gained new ones. That's all I have to say about it." in true Forest Gump fashion. I mean, shit, Jazz was incorrectly labeled his second in command at the beginning of the movie, (it was originally Ironhide in the cartoon) and he doesn't seem to give a shit when he dies. Although, I do see Jazz' death as something of a tribute to the original voice of Jazz having passed away in real life.






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[Foxix]

Don't read! Spoilers!
Anyway trypticon I had no idea jazz died irl!? aww jeez that's depressing v_v. But I totally thought of it as a funny cliche seeing as out of all the autobots the only one to die was the black one http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
But I was thinking about it, and I can think of plenty of reasons for the way he acted:
1 he may have thought of using the allspark shard to bring him back
2 he may have been forced to keep his image of a proud hero/leader and didn't feel it would be right to show that kind of weakness. (after all what would ironhide think XD)
3 considering all the comrades he must of lost during the war he may have just decided to look at him rather as a statistic
4 or maybe he was looking at the worst possible situation. Like he said the benefits of the outcome outweighed the negative, hes alive, the decepticons are defeated, they only had 1 casualty and they gained valuable companions.

Man is it just me or is this thread starting to look like some crazy government document?

[trypticon]

Just a little bit, but it's good that it's looking that way. This movie is suprisingly very good, and having spoilers out where everyone who doesn't want to see them may do so by accident would be a shame.

Also: What's the deal with Megatron being stranded on Earth for so long, and frozen, at that. It would have been more believable for fans had Jetfire/Skyfire, or whatever name they have trademarked for him now as found there, so it could have gone along more with the comic/cartoon, and given Starscream some more airtime, and a deeper story to his character.

Maybe that's just in my interest though, eh?



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[PhotonDrop]

MOUNTAIN DEWCEPTICONS AND X-BOTS 360

I love viral marketing. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[DurakkenX]

first...


On May 30, 2007, Dreamworks greenlit two sequels to Transformers, and Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox and Peter Cullen signed on to return. Producer Tom DeSanto has envisioned a storyline introducing the Dinobots, the Constructicons, and Soundwave. Writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman may not return, as "Star Trek... is taking up kind of all of our time." Michael Bay has not signed on, "trying to keep some leverage for the negotiations", but already has ideas, including an aircraft carrier character

secondly...before the movie there is a prequel comic that came out and this is it's plot



Long ago, Optimus Prime and Lord High Protector Megatron ruled Cybertron. Together they were the protectors of the Allspark, an enormous cube of energy that gave life to the Transformers. However, Megatron secretly desired the Allspark's power for himself, and soon he was corrupted. He formed a like-minded army of separatists -- the Decepticons -- with Starscream at his side, and he plunged Cybertron into civil war, killing millions.

During the Battle of Tyger Pax, Autobot Bumblebee leads a team to hold back overwhelming odds whilst Prime attempts to launch the Allspark into space, making a last-ditch attempt to prevent Megatron from claiming it, even at the cost of their civilization. Bumblebee loses his own voice-box in the process, but the Allspark leaves Cybertron. A determined Megatron flies into space to find it, and Bumblebee volunteers to find it before he does.

Megatron, keeping a close psychic bond with the Allspark, soon locates it on Earth. Heating up during entry into the atmosphere, he crashes and sinks under the Arctic ice sheets. The sudden temperature drop and loss of energon forces him into stasis-lock. In 1897, the National Arctic Circle Expedition headed by Captain Archibald Witwicky discovers Megatron, and the human is promptly driven insane by the Transformer. At the Boston Secure Hospital, the government takes great interest in his story and the Sector 7 group begin excavating Megatron, codenamed the "Mega-man". In 1902, the Allspark is discovered to be in the Colorado River, and by 1935, work begins on the Hoover Dam over it with plans to move Megatron there.

In 2003, Bumblebee lands on Mars before landing in Virginia, and takes up the form of a 1977 Chevrolet Camaro. Designated N.B.E - 2, he avoids Sector 7's gaze, forcing Agent Simmons to step up an operation to capture him. Bumblebee begins finding information on Captain Witwicky, and Sector 7 attempt to spring a trap with a replica Allspark. Starscream, Blackout and Barricade follow suit, destroying the Beagle 2 rover in the process, and defeat Sector 7's trap. They let Bumblebee escape as they know he can lead them to the Allspark. Elsewhere, Sam Witwicky is given his ancestor's glasses. A Target Corporation-exclusive follow-up shows Bumblebee tracks down Sam by checking outside Archibald's asylum and looks for his son Clarence to Springfield, Missouri, where he learns of his son Herbert, his six children and starts to look for each, one-by-one. All the while he is being followed by Sector 7 and Barricade



and there is a prequel novel



The story is set in 1969 and details the account of a top secret space ship called "Ghost-1", built by the American organization known as Sector 7. The ship was built by examining and reverse engineering the frozen remains of the Transformer Megatron. Sent into space at the same time as Apollo 11 to hide its trail, the ship is sent to orbit the far side of Jupiter to look for any more alien activity. However, the ship falls into a wormhole and emerges in an unknown part of the galaxy - where it is not alone.

The Ark and the Nemesis arrive, intrigued by the ship's Cybertronian design. Starscream leads the Decepticons on an attack as the humans flee. Bumblebee pursues them, as does Starscream, who hopes to annihilate the ship - and any traces of Megatron with it. Putting Bumblebee to flight, Starscream communicates with Ghost-1, pretending to be benevolent. He learns of the existence of the Allspark and Megatron and decides to string them along by telling them of the war. He hopes to provoke them into firing on the "evil" Autobots, who will destroy them. Optimus Prime arrives, having fought off Blackout's attack in orbit, saving Bumblebee from giant rock-chewing worms. They encounter Starscream and Ghost-1, who fire on them, burying them in the cave with more worms.

The humans, meanwhile, have become suspicious of Starscream's intentions, noting differences in the behaviours of his and Prime's. Starscream betrays them and leaves them for dead. They manage to communicate with Prime and Bumblebee, telling them of Megatron and the Allspark. They eventually free themselves and head back into orbit, where a full-scale assault by the Decepticons is under way. Despite the Autobots' courage, they are outnumbered. Captain Walker of Ghost-1 makes the decision that they cannot flee, leading the Decepticons straight to their homeworld. They fire on Starscream as he and Bonecrusher prepare to finish off Prime. Starscream annihilates them in retaliation and retreats, severely wounded. Prime laments their sacrifice, but realises that they (and probably the Decepticons) will end up on Earth to find the Allspark.

On Earth, a different crisis unfolds. An order has come through to transport the frozen "Ice Man" from the Artic to a place of safe keeping somewhere near the West Coast of the United States, to be studied more concretely. The convoy carrying him is sabotaged and derailed by a Soviet spy, who indicates a KGB assault will take place to recover Megatron. A more immediate problem presents itself when it is revealed that Megatron is thawing out. As the weather worsens and the Russian attack begins, Megatron reanimates. Colonels Nolan and Kinnear, the convoy commanders, manage to stop the disorientated Decepticon leader by first driving a snow truck into him, then freezing him once more with liquid Nitrogen even as he killed them both. The soldiers, having fought off the Russian attack with the aid of a squad of Army Rangers, then resolve to complete Megatron's transportation.



Personally i thought it was a good movie, had funny parts, action, story, but it also seemed a little drawn out at the beginning and squashed at the end. Some of the characters didn't get enough screen time and the way the Autobots were pretty much manhandled in the battle, while reminiscent of the true transformers history, but not part of this one, just was bad. The only "strong" Autobot was Optimus and he got owned by Megatron. The interactions between the 2 sides in my opinion was the worst part of the movie, but beyond that it was good.


As far as them not following the G1 cartoon...well... it works in some ways better because had they they would have had to introduce all the transformers almost all at once, sector 7 would have had to be rewritten, and the entire movie would have changed too much because people would then ask why isn't the bad ass megatron just going and taking the all spark and why is some teenage boy involved...it just makes more sense this way for the movie as any other way would take a small series to do just the intro...

Another thing I did not like is the assumption all machines turned to transformers by the allspark are evil when it is clear that the allspark had been used by both optimus and megatron for millions of years creating good autobots. The decipticons are the exception, not the rule in the movie universe, but they make it seem like they are the rule, not the exception.

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[ShadowDragon28]

I guess I'm the only person in the US that *liked* "The Island" (which was a film by Mr. Bay as well.)

I'm no hardcore purist fanboy, but I did love the "generation 1" toys and cartoon series when I was a kid and still think they are/were pretty cool.
However, I have matured and grown out of fanboy-purist POV's, so I was never having fits of rage and ranting and whining about the new "re-imagined" Autobots and Decepticons for the M.Bay Transformers movie as so many have done.

I think over-all they all look pretty darn awesome, and the movie is IMO an *above average*, fun "popcorn flick". An 8.8 out of 10.

I can usually enjoy fun "popcorn flicks" (with some exceptions), as well as more
thought-provoking films like "Pan's Labyrinth."

But I'm no over-the-top purist fanboy having rant-spasms about the new M.Bay Transformers movie. I try to have an open mind and keep expectations low, I tend to enjoy some movies quite a bit more when I do.

[NPCMook]

I thought Pimp my Transformers was an overall decent movie... sure some bots didn't get the air time they should have, the little robot sneaking off air force one was damn funny >.>

[Sekani]

After watching F4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, I was sure no one would take Dodge's prize for worst product placement.

Transformers proved me wrong. Way to go General Motors and Nokia.

But yeah, awesome movie overall.

[PJ]

Ugh.

Thanks to PSOW, I was expecting the Jesus of movies. Transformers was very blarg; not amazing. It wasn't terrible, but I wouldn't call it good either.

And I was really hoping I wouldn't be the first person to say it :/

I was just waiting for the moment where I'd be all, "OMIGOD FO REALS?! <3<3<3" but it never showed up.

[Jaspaller]

On 2007-07-03 16:06, trypticon wrote:
Having Optimus' original voice in there was a great help with the feel of the movie. I would LIKE them to get Starscream's original voice in there, too, because it made him sound so fucking evil. Soundwave's original voice would be great, too, since it was my favorite one out of all the transformers. If they get Soundwave's voice back, they'll get Megatron's since Frank Welker did both of them.



I heard Frank Welker would be doing the voice for Megatron in the Transformers game. At least they put him into the whole transformers deal somehow. As for Starscream, his original voice actor died quite a long time ago, back in 94... No one got the voice of starscream down quite as good as Chris Latta

[Garnet_Moon]

I cannot fucking believe Blackout died to fucking humans but Barricade wasn't even touched. Fucking lame. Let my favorite one die, and let that retarded one live and not even be in the final fight! Bah! Oh, and Bonecrusher, another of my favs... died like, 10 seconds after spawning. Prime is a fucking spawn camper.

And Starscream was the lone survivor of the Decepticons... well, and the Mountain Dew machine... lol. I can't wait for the second one with Dinobot... wonder how they'll work him into it.



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[trypticon]

Zomg! I didn't realize Chris Latta had passed away, too! That sucks! That guy had a classic voice.

[DonRoyale]

22 (or was it 27?)M in one day, new record that makes the previous record, Pirates Of The Carribean 2: Dead Man's Chest (15M http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif) pathetic in comparison.

I'm not a movie fan, but it seems OK. I might see it, but DAMN IT, Harry Potter tempts me.

Yeah, you heard me. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Sord]

i thought the movie was good, but not really good. Action scenes set aside, there seems to be very little actual story, the main human character seems to be way to attatched to Bumblebee in such a short time and with little interaction other then being driven and saved, as many have said, many transformers did not get near enough screen time. The final battle also ends way to abruptly, and some of the scenes in it looked like they had a hard time choosing the order of them.

the film is good in the action department, except for about a half-hour after the military base attack at the very beginning (least it fealt that long) but aside from that it's really not that great. Lots of graphics and explosions and robot on robot action, but I wouldn't call it great. Worth my money, yes, but not great. I'm voting "It was alrighty."

[DurakkenX]

Bonds form quicker when you are relying on someone to protect your ass...

I think it would be interesting to note that the "adaptation" has a lot of things missing out of it. One thing is the hacker kid isn't there at all and the woman that finds that guy is only in one scene...the scene where she talks to sam on the copter asking why he's there. The cellphone to transformer scene is gone...just alot of it is written in a dif way... i prefer the movie over it because of the comedy and comic looks spliced together and rather badly written.

[Saito S]

WARNING: This post be long!!

That was an AWESOME movie!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif I've actually seen it twice already...my gf couldn't make it when we saw it the first time, so I went back to see it with her. XD Of course, I am a Transformers fan anyway (have been ever since the old cartoon), but still, I thought it was very well done. It seemed like the movie managed to be nostalgic for fans and be respectful to the cartoon, and yet still be a really cool movie on it's own. Of course the effects were amazing, but 2 things I want to mention about them. One: I liked the fact that they weren't afraid to have them Transform often. In the original cartoon they could transform at will, it wasn't like a special ability that had some kind of limit or cost associated with it. So it was nice to see them transforming left and right in the new movie as well. Two: they moved really well, I thought; you could really see the weight involved when they walked or jumped or did anything.

As for the reaction to Jazz's death I personally vote for #2 of Foxix's possible explanations:


2 he may have been forced to keep his image of a proud hero/leader and didn't feel it would be right to show that kind of weakness. (after all what would ironhide think XD)
Of course, the "real" reason may just be cause they were running out of time...wouldn't be the first time an important scene in a movie ended up feeling a little squashed due to that.

On 2007-07-04 00:30, DurakkenX wrote:
and the way the Autobots were pretty much manhandled in the battle, while reminiscent of the true transformers history, but not part of this one, just was bad. The only "strong" Autobot was Optimus
and he got owned by Megatron.

You know, it's funny...after the movie was over, I kinda thought the same thing at first, regarding the big battle. But then, I saw it a second time, and suddenly I had a different impression of what
was going on. Perhaps it was because the initial "Wow" factor wasn't getting in the way of noticing details, but on my second viewing, it just seemed like the battle was much more even between the Autobots and the Decepticons, almost to the point of being an even match that could have ended with no clear victor. The humans were the factor that tipped things in the Autobots favor. I'd give you a detailed breakdown of what I saw that changed my mind, but this post is already getting way too long. O_O

Last thing!

On 2007-07-04 19:20, Garnet_Moon wrote:
I cannot fucking believe Blackout died to fucking humans but Barricade wasn't even touched. Fucking lame. Let my favorite one die, and let that retarded one live and not even be in the final fight! Bah! Oh, and Bonecrusher, another of my favs... died like, 10 seconds after spawning. Prime is a fucking spawn camper.

And Starscream was the lone survivor of the Decepticons... well, and the Mountain Dew machine... lol. I can't wait for the second one with Dinobot... wonder how they'll work him into it.

Actually... I believe Barricade was KO'd. It goes by VERY quickly, but there is a scene not too far into the big city battle...you can see a gray-ish black-ish Decepticon being taken out by fire from Ratchet (who is mostly off-screen, but you can tell it's his arm by the color), with some help from several human soldiers. It's a little difficult to tell cause the scene does go by very quickly, but since A) Barricade is mysteriously absent for the rest of the battle, B) the Transformer being shot up is clearly a Decepticon, since the humans are targeting him, C) the size is right for Barricade, and D) if I'm wrong, that would mean that every Decepticon had a coup de gras scene, except for him (and of course Starscream, but he survived), and that would just be weird.
And, uh...Dinobot? Don't you mean the Dinobots? Maybe you are thinking of the character from Beast Wars...? Unless I'm forgetting about someone... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Roll out! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[DurakkenX]

copy and pasted from wikipedia... dinobot... i can only surmise that he means "Grimlock"

unless he is going to use time travel in which case dinobot could be in there i guess...actually even if they didn't dinobot could be in the next movie because he "died" in prehistoric earth and never went back to the future cybertron which means he could be found inactive or hidden as he was supposed to be revived in transtech transformers series which i think is part of canon, but not sure on that...

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[Daikarin]

It was very good. A lot of good CG animation in there, like I haven't seen in a while, particularly the scene where Starscream flying past the bridge in F-22 form, quickly transforming into a robot.

Lot of good memories too. Good hearing Optimus Prime speak again, it's almost as if he hasn't changed over the years.


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[trypticon]

The character Dinobot was from a different generation of Transformer series. The Dinobots were from the original series. It would be more interesting to see them show up than a single new character.

Also, yeah, Starscream wasn't the only survivor of the Decepticons. Watch the movie again if you didn't catch it the first time. Or you can read this thread again from the beginning

[DurakkenX]

dinobot is from beast wars as far as i know that is the only one called dino bot besides the 5 dinobots...and beast wars as i said ARE part of the G1 transformers.

[PhotonDrop]

No, it couldn't be part of G1, they changed too many things. The biggest being how they took Optimus Prime's "spark"(LOLMATRIXOF LEADERSHIP). Aside from that during the Beast Wars run the Ark had taken serious damage so it couldn't be G1..

[DurakkenX]

It IS G1 and Optimus' as well as Megatron's spark was both returned to them.

[PhotonDrop]

For the longest time it's been nothing but speculation among fans. I've never seen anything that explicitly says it takes place in the same universe so I'm not going to debate it. But while we're on the subject, when were the sparks returned? I must have missed that episode.

[Sekani]

There was some creative license used, but just from seeing the actual G1 transformers in Beast Wars it should be pretty obvious that they were in the same timeline.

[DurakkenX]

Ummm i dunno as it has been so long since i saw them, but Optimus delivers the spark personally, and megatron's spark somehow gets back to the original after he blows up.

The reason for the oddities in Beast wars/machines is because originally the makers had only known scarce amounts of info and they were supposed to be characters from the original, but in new bodies in the present day, but another studio or something got ahold of it and because they had near complete freedom they just did what they wanted which ended up with all new characters from 300(or 4 million...both was quoted) years after the great war that were sent to the prehistory of the earth...Originally they didn't know if they were gonna have the planet as earth, but they had the idea so even though it wasn't quite decided it looks like it was for the first season... But then after that they decided to have it part of the G1 universe and the reason for any other oddities is simply because shows when they are first made often change various things over the course of the show which are important, but are overlooked by the original creators so any series after that corrects these various problems...

You may note that throughout transformers they use the term cycle...1 minute in some cases is 5 cycles and this is distinctly shown in an episode in a later episode Rhinox says there is 3 cycle till the launch of the Axalon but the fighting is more than a minute long.

Another oddity is that the Beast wars transformers don't know anything about earth as far as i can tell...so earth was forgotten after only 300 years even though the autobots and humans made a very strong alliance and regardless they would know where earth is ^.^ It'd make sense if it was a lot longer, like several million years like originally stated...but i think the way it was stated the "autobot/decepticon" war last 4million years and was only solved in the last 300 years which is fully possible, making the date for transformers is 4,002,300AD and humans are either dead or part of the transformers empire so much that they have spread out...but that's not possible since well...in machines megatron completely wiped out all the transformers on cybertron where humans would most likely be... so humans in transformers eventually die out apparently.

There is also another problem of the transformers being in an already altered form of cars and such that wont exist for another several thousand years....

btw...in the movie the form you see in the movie briefly before they choose forms is their protoform that came from beast wars ^.^

[DurakkenX]

btw funny thing about dinobot....he always is saying he is not a team player, but his beast form, the velociraptor is known to be one of the most advanced "team" players in the history of dinosaurs.