Beware shop owners!

[Innominate]

All my rare decos were stolen from my shop room a bit ago. last person to visit was named Greed ID# 38210. I've closed my shop and locked all my rooms due to this. I guess this is what I get for being nice in PSU.



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[Retehi]

I'll bring them back later.

[Almighty_Envy]

Its against the TOS to say names >_>

[Gryffin]

Wasn't it already stated that if someone stole your deco's they don't appear in the visitor log....?

Because they technically 'steal' your ID to appear as the owner of the room so that they can take items?

Or do you mean that they took them DIRECTLY out of your shop? In which case it MIGHT be a friend with your password >.> Or someone else with your password http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

Either way, start by changing your password.

[Cz]

wow, that sucks for you Kai. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif
I dont understand how anyone can just steal things from others. Bad people! heh...

[Gryffin]

I know someone who stole from a few peoples rooms out of revenge >.>

He got banned http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[HFlowen]

Alex still owes me a Jao...>.>

[-Ryuki-]

My 2 WD Lovers and 1 BT Lovers were stolen from my room.
The 8 Easter Eggs that were left, were still there though..

[HFlowen]

Is this all recent stuff? I recall Alex saying he tipped off TMG about his methods. Maybe we have some new guys running around.

[Innominate]

Just happened maybe 30-60 minutes ago.

[Cz]

i thought this sorta gliched was fixed...>_> Now my room and your room wont be safe anymore...Sega! Please protect us from these thieves! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[HFlowen]

It wasn't really fixed because most methods are incredibly easy to trace. Thus, no one really tries it.

[Cz]

dont steal my pets!

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_pengy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pandatummy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamlet.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_turtle.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cheepcheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif

[Almighty_Envy]

They only have roughly a 30 second window of your account ID #.

They could have gone into your room and changed ID in there, which would leave a name.

OR

They could have changed into your ID before they entered your room so youd think it was the other person.

[Almighty_Envy]

On 2007-07-08 18:18, BunnyGirl wrote:
dont steal my pets!

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pandatummy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamlet.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_turtle.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cheepcheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif



Fine >_>

[Cz]

lol...i meant the thieves. I have a lot of Easter Eggs and animals in my room...lol.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-08 18:18, BunnyGirl wrote:
dont steal my pets!

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_pengy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pandatummy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamlet.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_turtle.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cheepcheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif



*eyes cheepcheep*

[Almighty_Envy]

I have nothing expensive in my room.

500 Meseta Cherry Blossoms >_>

[Subestimado]

and thats why my main dosent have a shop...only the alt with newbie stuff does(since shops are open for everyones pleasure)I just give him the things my main wants to sell to him....

ofcourse theres a flaw in the system since they can still hit you and take the things you are selling(they gotta be mad fast tho), but things like your special decos and items for yourself are safe on your main...

also dont give your card to everyone you see, only to people you trust and make sure you lock your room(then again if you already gave your card to a hacker the lock wont do you any good...since they change their ID# to yours!)

as for the hack...it is a those boards we cant speak of...but when the user realise and reports the attack! they get banned (sega is finally using the logs)



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[Cz]

On 2007-07-08 18:21, Almighty_Envy wrote:
I have nothing expensive in my room.

500 Meseta Cherry Blossoms >_>



that will discourage them from coming in your room again...lol. I doubt the thieves would want to steal junky stuffs. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[HFlowen]

I put my rare decos away and locked up for now. My shop is sold out right now anyway. May as well play it safe if some moron is on a "spree".

[NeoMatrix]

well, you guys can add me to the list of victims by (since it was already mentioned) the character name mentioned in the first post. just happened about an hour ago too. I was talking with one of my friends in my main chars room (which has a shop) and, out of the corner of my eye, I saw my shop/room door open and that guy removing the last of 3 rare decos I had up, and left. I reported him to Sega, and now that I've seen this thread, I'm guessing Kaiaphas did as well. I'm just annoyed really... its stuff like this that adds hastle to what should otherwise be fun... Guess I'm starting to rant. sorry.

[Gryffin]

I'm just sitting in my room idling, like I always do when I idle..

Can't they not do it if your in there?

[ljk54167]

Hey, good thing I saw this.

Yes, this punk stole 3 decorations of mine as well (same name and number). He stole my Sonic decoration, my Parum Unity Decoration, and for some reason the Airboard decoration (LOL why?). Funny thing was I got a glimpse of him as I was returning to my room and caught him in the act. Anyways, he has been reported. I don't really expect to get the items back as it is just stuff but it would be nice if ST busts this wanker.

El/Ma

[Innominate]

My shop is closed and all my rooms are locked now. I also almost never give out my card to anyone because I don't trust people so easily. I had one suspicious person in my shop asking for 2 million meseta hours before the decos were stolen.

[HFlowen]

Gryffin, The poster above you said he saw the person in question in the act.



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[HFlowen]

Damn, wrong button.



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[HFlowen]

This is gonna prove annoying if it catches on... But this seems to be an iscolated incident. This guy will probably get caught very quickly at this rate.

[MrPOW]

This is all on the PC/PS2 version, right?

[ShadowDragon28]

lovely... here we go again... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Rashiid]

dont worry. its all ok; Trust me =]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjqdDblfX6s

[Raven5_1]

crap i better check my main. i remember someone coming into my alts room a couple days ago. all i had was a sunflower and linear line gave me an off feeling so i locked my room when they left but i forgot to check my main

[PMB960]

I was talking in my friends room when that guy ran in. He took 3 decos,De Ragan, Rappy, and um something else. His name appeared in the visitor log so my friend got his ID#. His name had Japanese symbols in it. I am going to laugh so hard when this guy gets banned over a couple room decos lol.

[Cz]

On 2007-07-08 18:45, MrPOW wrote:
This is all on the PC/PS2 version, right?



Kai is on the PC, so yes this is on the PC version. I dont know if the xbox360 ver. have the same problem either, so I cant say anything about it.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

I just got report that he stole 99 million from my friend's inbox.

So far it shows that hes only capable of stealing when you're also in the room. So... Don't afk in your room while it's unlocked.

[MrPOW]

Okay. Even though I'm on 360 I still hope they fix this.

[Gryffin]

*leaves room and locks it *>.>

Also, guys, you might just wanna take your Sonics up for now XD

[HFlowen]

This is sounding like a damned rampage.

[Raven5_1]

checked my main, luckily everything is still there. i took up my best decos and placed them in my pm and locked my room phew!

[Cz]

I am just afraid that he is only using that character to steal everyone stuffs, then distribute to his real account or to his buddies. I dont think he cares if that character of his is gonna be ban. Everyone lock your room now!!!

[Niloklives]

christ...I'm not looking to find out exactly how it's done, but do they HAVE to have your card to do this at all?

[Dj_SkyEpic]

http://phantasystaruniverse.com/support_contact.php

If everyone takes time to report him, its highly possible that everything will be returned to you.

Take the precaution of locking your room, not afking in your room, and storing your valuables else where.

[Innominate]

Kinda glad I stated this thread now. I was idling in my room but didn't witness the crime unfortunately as others have. Have all the other occurences happened in rooms with shops as mine did.

[gundam0079]

yah a few of my friends got this same problem. im startin to worry now. T.T

[Siertes]

On 2007-07-08 18:59, Dj_SkyEpic wrote:
I just got report that he stole 99 million from my friend's inbox.

So far it shows that hes only capable of stealing when you're also in the room. So... Don't afk in your room while it's unlocked.



So he took all that ill money from PM storage or the common box?

[HFlowen]

I'm gonna guess common box.

If it was PM storage...I'd be impressed. O.o

[Siertes]

On 2007-07-08 19:28, HFlowen wrote:
I'm gonna guess common box.

If it was PM storage...I'd be impressed. O.o



You're probably right. If it were PM storage, he'd probably take much more than some dinky meseta. I never keep anything important in my C. Box anyway.

[Endykins]

My Meseta was taken out of my common box.

Edit: He left my 44-50% Muktrands completely alone that were sitting there. Just only took Meseta.


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[Dublio]

Wow, your friend had 99mil. Yum...

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[-Ryuki-]

Well, if that's the case, I'm fine. The only thing that's in danger are my decos.

[MSAksion]

OH DEAR GOD not this **** again!

There's nothing that can be done to stop this one guy? Lock my room and pray that he doesn't hit me? and he and I have to be in my room at the same time for him to steal? That sucks.

What if i'm synthing something and this jerk comes up says "GIVE 2 million or loose everything" and then what? Get Hacked? Or do I log out? He and I have to be both in the room - if i see him i record his ID Number, then quickly log out? Would that work?

[Niloklives]

I think he needs to have your card...

[Endykins]

My guess is hes using the "reccomended shops" function to find rooms with occupied players. I don't believe he has my card. I may be wrong however.

[Cz]

he doesnt need to have your card. And "recommended shops" function is what he is using probably. I know cause i tried out that function before, and it just leave me to a shop with a person inside as well.



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[Kinako78]

On 2007-07-08 18:37, Kaiaphas wrote:
My shop is closed and all my rooms are locked now. I also almost never give out my card to anyone because I don't trust people so easily. I had one suspicious person in my shop asking for 2 million meseta hours before the decos were stolen.



Yeah, I remember him.

As for this thief, I just saw him in my room about 15-20 minutes ago. Oddly, he took nothing from my room and I had nothing rare in my shop. Also, his player name showed up in my visitor log.



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[Calibur]

AFAIK...they can do it even if you are not in the room

[PMB960]

I just reported him too. He didn't hit me but I did watch him steal stuff from NeoMatrix's room.

[Mayu]

hmmm... ouch http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

I rarely afk in my room now o.0

~Huggles her Haxeta MINE

Guass I'll never open my shops ;p hehe <.<

[ShadowDragon28]

I've taken precautionary actions and so forth.

[Almighty_Envy]

DAM!

You do know hes smart enough to read these forums and hijack ne one who posts here right?

No no, its not me.

Names in my sig man ;]

OO or ima get my loli and sit in my mains room as jail bait!

[HFlowen]

^xD

[Sexy_Raine]

Thankfully my stuff is safe. I locked my room after one of my friends sent me a mail about this.

[Niloklives]

that's if he knows who were are...

[Almighty_Envy]

I just went to random peoples rooms and yelled

"H4xs! Lock joor room mang!!!1"

No seriously i did.

[Niloklives]

I'm gonna take a cue from rena and say "go to your room"

[Cz]

On 2007-07-08 20:16, Almighty_Envy wrote:
DAM!

You do know hes smart enough to read these forums and hijack ne one who posts here right?

No no, its not me.

Names in my sig man ;]

OO or ima get my loli and sit in my mains room as jail bait!



we are all victims here. Oh noes! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

my pets are in danger! Must save them!
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_pengy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pandatummy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamlet.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_turtle.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cheepcheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif

[ljkkjlcm9]

more than likely, he's just hitting random people

does anyone here actually have any knowledge of what he can do? Cause it doesn't seem like any of you have any concept of what he can actually do. But most of you are going about the correct way to prevent it.

THE JACKEL

[Siertes]

Good god, somebody just kill these damn pets. Please -_-

[Mayu]

Your pets are mine bunny girl http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

~Steals them except the turtle thing you can have it

[Cz]

i am sorry Rena, but you cant have any of them. >_>

Well anyways, the thieve is still on the loose and stealing all your goodies still. I wish Sega would take an immediate action to prevent any further damage.

i take my pets with me wherever i go. ~Bunny~
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_pengy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pandatummy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamlet.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_turtle.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cheepcheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif



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[GunnerGoddess]

Code Red! Code Red! Lock down is in effect XD that really sucks that you guys lost your decos but anyone who actually gets caught that easily should get banned just as easily

[ljkkjlcm9]

it seems quite obvious he plans on getting caught and doesn't care. The ID number is new, so basically payed 10 bucks to steal stuff and give it to his/her normal account.

There are tons of hackers still playing this game, that you don't even know are doing anything from day to day.

THE JACKEL

[Sha Sha]

I took everything down and locked my mains room i also mailed everyone i knew online and told them to lock there rooms as well

[Cz]

the guy is really brave. I have to give him credit for that. I mean, how can you just simply go stealing when the owner is like right there in front of you? lol. That is like you sneak into a person's house and stealing their stuffs right in front of them. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif




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[Niloklives]

is that some passive admission of guilt to something completely unrelated to the the topic?

also I have no idea how he's doing it because I've devoted 0 time is figuring out anything about how the game is coded or what security is in place. Only things I give a second thought to is how to make my 900s turn to 950s

[ljkkjlcm9]

On 2007-07-08 21:12, BunnyGirl wrote:
the guy is really brave. I have to give him credit for that. I mean, how can you just simply go stealing when the owner is like right there in front of you? lol. That is like you sneak into a person's house and stealing their stuffs right in front of them. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


well, the only way to steal meseta from the common box is if the person is in their room. That's basically why he needs an account he expects to get banned

THE JACKEL

[Cz]

i know it is only online. If you take things from others that isnt yours, you still commit the same crime. So yeah...it is sorta like having guilts if he has any. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Cz]

On 2007-07-08 21:17, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:

On 2007-07-08 21:12, BunnyGirl wrote:
the guy is really brave. I have to give him credit for that. I mean, how can you just simply go stealing when the owner is like right there in front of you? lol. That is like you sneak into a person's house and stealing their stuffs right in front of them. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


well, the only way to steal meseta from the common box is if the person is in their room. That's basically why he needs an account he expects to get banned

THE JACKEL



i got your points...lol. He dont care if people were to spot him because his intentions were just stealing stuffs. He will just give away his stolen goods to his alternate account on another computer or distribute to his buddies. It is sad that he is doing this and scare the public at the same time because nobody wants their belonging to be taken away. That is why i hope that Sega take this matters immediately and stop the dude from doing anymore harm to us when we paid the game and it is their responsibilities to protect our stuffs from being stolen. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[beatrixkiddo]

It's their responsibility to fix glaring security flaws that allow for this sort of shit to happen in the first place.

[GunnerGoddess]

On 2007-07-08 21:26, beatrixkiddo wrote:
It's their responsibility to fix glaring security flaws that allow for this sort of shit to happen in the first place.

of course but most the time they never find these flaws til someone has used them to do something like this

[beatrixkiddo]

This is hardly the first time people have been able to access room decos and common box items from others' rooms.

[Garnet_Moon]

Only my alt has a shop and no room decos or items in the common box. Sucks for whoever walks into her shop expecting to steal my Grine Bete S or my Dulk Fakis.

[Ryoki]

Ok, guys, few things.
I believe blacklisting him would boot him from your room. I can't confirm this, though. If you see him in front of you, might as well try.
Second. People can do crazy crap~ without your card.
The leader of TMG once sent me a mail during the time when hackers were around, telling me to lay off a certain member of PSOW I accused of hacking.

Obviously, this person didn't have my card.

Not sending your card to people won't help anything, trust me.

[Maverynthia]

So can shop items get stolen, because the only thing in my common box might be starter android parts and a few monomates... I'll take up my room decorations though...

[FUFME]

I dunno why Sega dont fix this fucking bullshit. I would SPAM and flood Sega with 50 Billion Emails a day demanding my stuff back

[Niloklives]

On 2007-07-08 21:58, Ryoki wrote:
Ok, guys, few things.
I believe blacklisting him would boot him from your room. I can't confirm this, though. If you see him in front of you, might as well try.
Second. People can do crazy crap~ without your card.
The leader of TMG once sent me a mail during the time when hackers were around, telling me to lay off a certain member of PSOW I accused of hacking.

Obviously, this person didn't have my card.

Not sending your card to people won't help anything, trust me.



blacklisting someone DOES kick them from your room.

[FUFME]

This is fucking bullshit, they can fix the money and board dupe but NO, not fix this ongoing issues.

I miss hacked money.

[Kietrinia]

I was just NOW visited by this guy!

I've a screenshot of what he looks like, AND his player ID in my visitor logs! I'll post them ASAP.

He just took one of my decors and and left. I had nothing in the common box of interest apparently.

[Squall179]

please do confirm this, that all effected have a shop thats open correct?

[Niloklives]

wait...what exactly can he do?

[Almighty_Envy]

Whoever doing this is obviously 60 year old virgin who lives in their parents basement and sits in the corner singing i feel pretty while rocking back and forth and thinking that everything is gonna be okay tomorrow because i think i can make a difference in the world by trying to be 1337 and pretending like me living is actually a significance in the world.

[Innominate]

Jeez, he's still robbing people. He got me in the timeframe of 7:30-8:30pm EST and he's still going now.

[Niered]

Hmm...this does sound different from the incidents of room hacking that occurred late last year. As I recall, the original room hack could actually get into your stuff even if you werent there. This sounds like a new problem. I wouldnt go around calling Sonic team a buncha losers for this just YET, Im sure theyll get it fixed soon if its a legitimate problem.

[Almighty_Envy]

All shops are open, person has to be in the room.

Not a very good hacker =/

[Squall179]

On 2007-07-08 23:05, Almighty_Envy wrote:
All shops are open, person has to be in the room.

Not a very good hacker =/



Thank you

It sounds to me...like if you dont need your shop, it would be best to close it

[Almighty_Envy]

That hacker isnt good.

GameGuard did a surprisingly good job.

As far as i know, you can only steal decos and stuff out of the common box.

[ljkkjlcm9]

lol

what can he do?
PM bomb, wipe things from stores, steal decos
if you're in your room, he can steal meseta

that's just what he can do to rooms. He can do plenty of other things, but Sega got pretty good at covering how you can affect other people

THE JACKEL

[Shou]

lol what i dont get is if you can hack into another person's accout and have the room act as theirs. y dont they just hack in the things they want? ....Oh wait, maybe they are just bored and lonely.

[Kietrinia]

Here's the screenshots I promised:

http://kietrinia.gryvon.net/Misc/PSU-Greed1.jpg
I spotted a visitor, went to greet them as I always do whenever someone comes to visit my shop. I saw his name, and I remembered reading about him in this topic. I tried to get more screenshots, but he just ran in, stole my BR Burning Poster decoration, checked my common storage and then my PM (as you can see here) for anything rare and took off. Thankfully I keep most of my rare stuff in the PM storage of alts (who don't have shops) or on me.

http://kietrinia.gryvon.net/Misc/PSU-Greed2.jpg
He leaves a trail. If this ID matches the ID of the same Greed that has raided other shops, hopefully we can help Sega track this jerk down. >:(


He was FAST though! He was in and out in less than 10 seconds. I think the moment he saw me in my room, he moved fast. I'm just afraid of what might have happenned if he had more time. All my decorations might have been stolen and he may have had time to dismantle my shop. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif


I submitted a ticket to Sega support. Hopefully I can get my poster back. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



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[Serephim]

Wow we still have these lifeless virgins doing this shit?

Hello PSU population drop

[ljkkjlcm9]

uhm people, if you didn't see him, or see the pics Alura posted in the monthly screenshots, it's Ryuk again

THE JACKEL

[Squall179]

Ryuk? Whose that?

[Almighty_Envy]

Heheh so it was him, He came up to me and said got you Envy. But he didnt http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway if hes reading this then he knows I have useless stuff in my room.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I just can't help but laugh at all these people on here complaining, but then so many 50% bear claws for trade. Seems like people only hate hacks/glitches that they themselves can't do

THE JACKEL

[beatrixkiddo]

I just saw him Zero someone's PM. :/ The person whose room it was blacklisted me after blacklisting him though. o_O I went in to warn them :/

[Almighty_Envy]

Nah, I personally still dotn care because my room hasn't been sbroken into yet.

Hacks like that height hack are actually funny,hacks when people lose stuff isnt.

[Wallin]

This guy came in to my room as well according to the log, and I'm pretty sure I saw him when he did because I remember someone coming into my room while I was changing clothes and the shop door opened. Unfortunately I didn't think anything of it, having a customer in the room, so I didn't bother to check. He wiped me clean of meseta, which was all the money I had. Now I'm REALLY depressed and regretting that I came back to this game because it's unlikely I will ever get any of that back. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Squall179]

meh if he wipes me of messetta I'll just make a lvl 1 and streetbeg. workd liek a charm back in the day

[beatrixkiddo]

He's on 4f Clyez Uni2 right now, for anyone who wants to blacklist him to avoid this nonsense.

[Almighty_Envy]

Tell ST to give you your meseta back or youl leave.

They might gib you a cookie ;]

Really, i hardly play PSU any more. If he did anything to my account i would just quit.

Meh, not a big problem for me.

[Squall179]

I got rid of my shop, never made a profit from it anyway, think that would keep him out?

[Nemhy]

On 2007-07-08 23:20, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
uhm people, if you didn't see him, or see the pics Alura posted in the monthly screenshots, it's Ryuk again

THE JACKEL




Who is Ryuk?

[Wallin]

Do you think this is something they would rollback for? Not that I'm in the mood to play right now anyway...

[Kietrinia]

..as if that weren't bad enough, now I come back to find my PM ZERO'd!

Greed must have come back..and he made it look like an honest customer had done it. I just sent a ticket after the wrong person. >.<

>.< Not a good night for me



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[Nemhy]

Now I see why the pops so low >_>.

[beatrixkiddo]

:/

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/beatrix_kiddo/psu20070709_152439_004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/beatrix_kiddo/psu20070709_152446_006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/beatrix_kiddo/psu20070709_152449_008.jpg

[ljkkjlcm9]

no they won't rollback for it lol
and it's not like this is a common occurrence, nothing like this has happened in a long time

THE JACKEL



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[Mayu]

ooo OUCH <.<

[Ayami]

hay guyz i herd if you pres alt-backspace u can go into other ppls rums and taek thingx, is diz tru?

[Shou]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif how mean http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[Nemhy]

O_o i doubt its that simple

[Kietrinia]

I guess Greed has an alt he uses. My PM was fully intact when I was talking to some members of this very compassionate community (<3 you guys, thank you!), and then I come back to find my poor Trini reset to zero with that one name in my visitor log... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Scion]

HOLY SHIT! ><

[beatrixkiddo]

It's possible he re-visited your room and then Belen came in after. I've played with Belen and they don't seem to be this kind of person.

[Squall179]

makes me glad I never bothered to PM level, oy

holy shit though.....so THATS PM Zero'ing....

May the Holy Light guide us....

[Wallin]

I don't even want to log back onto my alt to check if he's decided to wipe my armor PM... if he does I just quit, not worth paying for this.

[Da_trader]

wats funny is that some of the old psu players here arnt that suprised at what happen because it has happened before many times

[Squall179]

meh, I figure if he hits me, its just a challange to keep going and fight. Ya know? Like...not letting a smallminded fool ruin a good time?

[beatrixkiddo]

I meant if he did it before Belen came in. :/ I dunno, though.

[Kietrinia]

On 2007-07-09 00:01, beatrixkiddo wrote:
It's possible he re-visited your room and then Belen came in after. I've played with Belen and they don't seem to be this kind of person.


Wouldn't he be higher on my recent visitors list if he had come back? Greed's last appearance was when he robbed me.

Edit: The visitor log doesn't update. it was Greed.


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[Nemhy]

This is awful D: Someone running around and eraseing months of work in 30 secs http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Is this the first time its been this bad?

[Squall179]

no, ther was a time long ago, when things were bad.

Its just all condensed into the Blitz here is all, and in the form of a scriptkiddie style attack...thats what it looks like here

[Da_trader]

no this aint the first time hackers been doin this for a while since like the first month this is the first time one has actually gone on a rampage though

[Squall179]

like I said, probably a kid with a new code toy who doesnt know about The Purge and decided to go all out...that or a disgruntled player who decided he had enough stuopid and movd to finish his accoutn off with a bang

[Wallin]

So nothing is going to happen? He possibly gets a ban, no one gets anything back, and we all have to start from square one? What is this, the new Die Hard movie?

[Kietrinia]

On 2007-07-09 00:05, beatrixkiddo wrote:
I meant if he did it before Belen came in. :/ I dunno, though.Visitor log showed Greed, then two other people who I watched come and leave. My PM was intact during that time. I left to buy some materials, came back less than a minute later to find my PM Zero'd.

Edit: The visitor log doesn't update. Greed Zero'd the PM, and left Belen to take the blame. I feel terrible for sending that trouble ticket. >.<



Edit: They just cost me a Howrod synthesis and all the ingredients as well. That's at least 50k gone that I'll never see again, with or without the help of Sega support. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

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[Nemhy]

And sega hasnt fixed it if its been going on since the first month? >_>

[February]

Wait, Kit. Belen was a beast female right? Wasn't she the one that bought the bow from you?

[Da_trader]

earlier he was yelling he was tired of high prices and was erasing anythin over priced in shops he was saying he got tired of everyone wanting the precious meseta that hackers made for them.....man i dont know

[Squall179]

the purge that occured merely dealt with known and reported hackers...others who were smart whent into hiding most likely.


And yeah..its kinda like Die Hard, makes me glad I remembered to bring my shoes with me for when my main goes into Nakatomi Plaza

[Kinako78]

On 2007-07-09 00:04, Squall179 wrote:
meh, I figure if he hits me, its just a challange to keep going and fight. Ya know? Like...not letting a smallminded fool ruin a good time?



Well said, Squall.

[Wallin]

* rant mode enabled * GAHHHH, I'm having a hard enough time getting my Fortetecher past the 30 hurdle and now all I have left to work with is 15k and my B-grade equipment >_< * rant mode off * Sorry, I have to vent this somewhere. Sighhhh...

[Kietrinia]

On 2007-07-09 00:12, February wrote:
Wait, Kit. Belen was a beast female right? Wasn't she the one that bought the bow from you?

...oh no...

...ohmigosh..


I completely forgot! >.<!!! In all this panic, I pointed a finger..I...

I...I need to fix this. I just accused an honest customer..one that I was nice to...

..the visitor log doesn't update..that's just..terrible...

I'm going to go curl up now.

[Squall179]

Thank you Kinako

Kietrina, just remember that there is a lot of confusion going around for everyone right now

Things happen, if your cusotomer gets angry just appologize and hope for the best

[Wallin]

Oooh, he left my Garment Aura and all of my swimsuits! Maybe he's not so bad after all...

[Wallin]

On 2007-07-09 00:16, Kietrinia wrote:

On 2007-07-09 00:12, February wrote:
Wait, Kit. *** was a beast female right? Wasn't she the one that bought the bow from you?

...oh no...

...ohmigosh..


I completely forgot! >.<!!! In all this panic, I pointed a finger..I...

I...I need to fix this. I just accused an honest customer..one that I was nice to...

..the visitor log doesn't update..that's just..terrible...

I'm going to go curl up now.



Hurry up and edit all of your messages. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



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[Kietrinia]

On 2007-07-09 00:18, Squall179 wrote:
Thank you Kinako

Kietrina, just remember that there is a lot of confusion going around for everyone right now

Things happen, if your cusotomer gets angry just appologize and hope for the best

I just edited all my posts pointing the finger at her. I'm so sorry, and I'm gonna undo the damage I did with Sega support.

[Squall179]

probably just doesnt see any real value in them. Room Decos are odd, but some like the Sonics, can potentially go for a HELL of a lot

I was offered an obscene amount for mine even, but anyway, and Meseta is always useable, so its things like that with an immediately noticable value that are snagged probably

[Cz]

jeez...this siuation of stealing is getting serious by the minutes. >_>;

[ljkkjlcm9]

On 2007-07-09 00:07, Nemhy wrote:
This is awful D: Someone running around and eraseing months of work in 30 secs http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Is this the first time its been this bad?


been this bad? This is nothing compared to what they use to be able to do.

It's not a script kiddie with a new CE or whatever. It's Ryuk and anyone who was here back before the server wipes of illegal items, probably remembers him. Seriously people, Sega didn't get rid of hackers, they just got rid of accounts. The difference was they stopped doing things publicly. There are a number of hackers still playing, and I'm sure Ryuk has been playing for awhile on another account. He just decided to make a throw away account for some reason, prolly because he's sick of half the people and their crap. It's understandable really, it's hardly a nice community. Just sucks when the nice ones get screwed over.

THE JACKEL

[Nemhy]

who is ryuk? nice sig btw jackal

[Squall179]

indeed who is this Ryuk?

[Squall179]

thank you, explains why I didnt remember him

[ljkkjlcm9]

http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=134068&forum=4

thread from back in January, when people were trying to get him banned for making S rank weps and distributing them
He got blamed for a lot of hacking, and he was one of the more well known hackers around

THE JACKEL

[XDeviousX]

Got my PM bombed in the middle of synthing a crea dagger... Hope it still works, and hope Sega will press charges on him!!!

[Squall179]

press charges?

how can they do that if they dont even know who he is, where he is or whatnot?

for all any of us know, he could be using someone elses credit card info even for this

[Mayu]

ah an ancient hacker http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif ( Not really ancient) but meh


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w147/Ryuugu-Rena/Uhhuh.png

[ShawnLeeGuku]

Is there any chance that something like this is on the 360 servers? Or am I safe, somewhat?

[Squall179]

Its ironic and comletely unrelated, but this happens, on the day I decide to pkay with the Sort Priority option on my cardlist

[Kietrinia]

On 2007-07-09 00:37, ShawnLeeGuku wrote:
Is there any chance that something like this is on the 360 servers? Or am I safe, somewhat?I think you're okay. I've never heard any reports of someone hacking on the XBox servers. o.O

[ShawnLeeGuku]

On 2007-07-09 00:40, Kietrinia wrote:

On 2007-07-09 00:37, ShawnLeeGuku wrote:
Is there any chance that something like this is on the 360 servers? Or am I safe, somewhat?I think you're okay. I've never heard any reports of someone hacking on the XBox servers. o.O


Well, I've heard some rumors once or twice, and some threats by people. But I never actually heard a story of someone being hacked. I'm just making sure, though. But to be on the safe side, I blacklist anyone who threatens it.

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2007-07-09 00:37, ShawnLeeGuku wrote:
Is there any chance that something like this is on the 360 servers? Or am I safe, somewhat?



I think your safe FOR NOW, But it's just a matter of time till someone can get their mod chip mods past gamegaurd or whatever the hell 360 has.



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[Hatemachine]

There IS one thing I recall but it's a glitch that RARELY happens but can and has on one occasion I know of for fact on the 360 servers. Is more than likely fixed by now as this happened last FEB.

Me and some of my friends were hanging out in one of my friends rooms when someone popped in and said wtf this isnt my room ran up to the mag to buy something anyway and ended up being able to access her mag and items freeley as if HE were the rooms occupant.

A buddy of mine had heard about this and said boot NOW!! she did I dont know HOW he knew but he did know she lost a relic edge and some kerseline.

My friend said that that can only happen while your on and IN your room it just glitches out when you go to your room you end up in someone elses room and acts like it's your room.

As I said im sure the problem has been fixed since i've only seen it ONCE so it's incredibly rare so no worries (were talking win the lotto rare btw)

[Syl]

So yeah, it turns out Crono114 is in on it too and Ryuk is in the 4th floor (both using the same char). Turns out its because of our overpricing of stuff =/

[Niloklives]

not much to be done about it, I guess...reporting them likely won't do too much good

[Wallin]

I'm pissed off that he stole from me when all I was selling in my shop was regular and Im-Photons, but I had all my money in the common box. >_<

[Niloklives]

what did you have them priced at?

[landman]

I think I've heard about that because a friend of mine enters sometimes in my room when I'm in it and he is trying to go to his room. I asked him one time if he was able to take out decos or access my PM but he was not

Moded xbox were banned more than a month ago (just before the halo 3 beta to be exact), they have no access to xbox live, but looks like the game has enough glitches to be a problem without hacks -.-

[Gryffin]

If Saji get's zero'd I expect donations to get her back, being as I am poor ;-;

[Mayu]

<.< I think hes banned now ;p

but a new account awaits him once more! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Gryffin]

Well, after he left/banned/whatever...

Me, among a few others... witnessed someone, walk through the walls AROUND The club. Not the DOOR in it, like we had, using the glitch, but the WALLS around it.... Lol.

It was awesome XD

[Alpha-Hunter]

Just checked my shop and everythign was gone! took my rare decos and everything in my shop! including a bear claw board!!! damn thief. Why steal when he knew he would get banned?!

[Gryffin]

^Ouch.


Sorry to hear that... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Jakosifer]

I closed my shop and locked my door the moment I heard a room hacker was on...But a certain SOMEONE had to prank me and scare the hell out of me. -_-;

[Mystil]

On 2007-07-08 18:14, HFlowen wrote:
It wasn't really fixed because most methods are incredibly easy to trace. Thus, no one really tries it.



Actually it was fixed. The revision is bypassed by a few hackers though. Most people at <youknowhere> don't know how to bypass cause the certain hackers are keeping it secret.



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[Kietrinia]

I'm glad he's gone. I can reopen my shop again. I kept thinking back to what he could have done to my shop, and I even think all that worry leaked into my dreams. >.<

I just hope Sega support has mercy and restores my PM for me. I'm not as hurt about my BR Burning Poster as I am that he killed Trini. T-T



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[Kinako78]

So he's really gone now? For sure? It's really safe to open my shop again?

[Raven5_1]

he'll be back http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[RachaelH]

My sonic was stolen! Not best pleased about the lack of security in the game - the fact that guild wars is free and hasn't had any problems like this!

[Para]

<.< I think hes banned now ;p

but a new account awaits him once more! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

It's confirmed that he's banned? I wonder if he came online to hack out of boredom or revenge? Or perhaps both.

[Kinako78]

On 2007-07-09 06:47, Raven5_1 wrote:
he'll be back http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



But he's gone for now, right?

[Mayu]

He can just remake an account and repeat what he did http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

and maybe the Server scanned the hacks! ( no not really be nice)

[DarkRM7]

There goes my idea of opening a shop now!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[CelestialBlade]

I was pretty skeptical at first but then a good friend of mine got nailed by all this (Kietrinia) and now I'm a bit concerned. Hope my shop's alright, had a few DF cores in there that I'd rather not lose but for the most part my rares should be safe. Nor have I been in my room for a while.

Good to hear he's gone, for now anyway. I'm still curious as to what exactly the exploit is.

[Da_trader]

the exploit is a hack

[Eligaz]

Shesh, there'll always be people out to destroy and mess things up. Just throw those shops up and get on with your lives as soon as the fuss is over. If you feel its necessary, then hold on to the really rare stuff until you think you're sure it's "safe" again.

Being careful is good but constant worrying won't help you. Cheaters could strike again at any time, so if you're out to be 100% safe you should never put a shop up again. Drawback is that you'll not be able to sell your items, hence not making any profit at all. I'd rather take the risk :P Life is one huge gamble anyway.



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[Honeypot]

On 2007-07-09 07:58, Eligaz wrote:
Being careful is good but constant worrying won't help you. Cheaters could strike again at any time, so if you're out to be 100% safe you should never put a shop up again. Drawback is that you'll not be able to sell your items, hence not making any profit at all. I'd rather take the risk http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Life is one huge gamble anyway.


I agree. Just put your shop up like normal and go about your business. If you want to sell something really rare then save it on an alt with no shop and post in the trade forum.

[Almighty_Envy]

hehe i had nothing over priced in my shop http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

But if i find out he zero'd Hope ima be pissed.

[Para]

On 2007-07-09 08:13, Almighty_Envy wrote:
hehe i had nothing over priced in my shop http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

But if i find out he zero'd Hope ima be pissed.

Just stick your shop on a crappy alt and lock up your mains. And don't put anything in the common box.

[ljkkjlcm9]

the only thing he can steal from you guys is decos and meseta
he can only steal meseta if you're in your room.

When things dissapear from your Store, or from your PM synths, he's not taking them, he's just erasing them

THE JACKEL

[Kietrinia]

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has come into my store to wish me well. I wasn't even hit the hardest, but so many people from this community have come to my room sending their best wishes. I even had a nice guy named Siertes drop by and leave me a new BR Burning Poster!

This is why this community doesn't deserve what this hacker's done to it. There's so many nice people in this game that care about each other, and will come to the aid of total strangers. I'm just moved to tears by all this. Th-thank you all so much. I don't deserve it, but thank you! *alt+f2 bow*

[Hexadecimal]

Jackel, you're incorrect. As is the perception that you cannot see who does it. The person either A has to know you to obtain your ID or have seen you somewhere, or B, needs to get into your room to view your room ID.

When they do this, they BECOME the owner. Thusly, since the owner can take items from his or her shop, so can he.

Before ye all throw stones at me or something for knowing this much, I used to know someone who did it once and got banned for it.

[Maverynthia]

So th guy is gone, but has SEGA patched the exploit that allowed for him to do this in the first place?

[Siertes]

On 2007-07-09 09:52, Maverynthia wrote:
So th guy is gone, but has SEGA patched the exploit that allowed for him to do this in the first place?



According to a site mod on the official board, SEGA will be patching this during the July 13th maintenance/update.

[BanF]

Too bad such measures only keep them at bay for a time. They are always prodding at the game, looking for ways in.



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[beatrixkiddo]

I wonder if SEGA of America realizes that more enforcement to protect its users from this sort of thing would result in more customers? It would involve spending money though, which is something SEGA really seems to dislike.

[ljkkjlcm9]

they'll try and patch it, maybe do so temporarily, but then something new will come by to get around it. I'm sorry, but any game I've played with gameguard, has been the most hacked game I've ever played. Gunz: The Duel for example

THE JACKEL

[beatrixkiddo]

Well I meant hiring more employees, GMs around the clock (or ever, really), etcetera. If we had GMs on, I can guarantee you this guy would have hit maybe five rooms maximum.

[Para]

The fact that SEGA announced there will be a patch for it is more shocking XD

[Reipard]

Well I meant hiring more employees, GMs around the clock (or ever, really), etcetera. If we had GMs on, I can guarantee you this guy would have hit maybe five rooms maximum.

Even if we had more GMs on, they'd be more likely to patrol the lobbies than they would be to bop into the logs for random rooms just in case something might be happening. That's almost futile and consequently why the support form is there in the first place.

I am not saying more GMs aren't necessary, as it would be nice is more were around even if only for the psychological effect. But I do not think that it would have solved this problem in particular. Well, unless they had an in-game support form. Which is good design by default to have (when are people most likely to report issues? WHEN THEY HAPPEN. Not when they're done and have to surf to your web site). Why it was not included is beyond me.

One thing that I think would have been ideal is to make the ID used client-side only for display. Anything that needs to be validated against that ID should retrieve it from the server again, whether or not it's available. There is no excuse to leave such an obvious hole client-side.

[Freshellent]

On 2007-07-09 10:05, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
they'll try and patch it, maybe do so temporarily, but then something new will come by to get around it. I'm sorry, but any game I've played with gameguard, has been the most hacked game I've ever played. Gunz: The Duel for example

THE JACKEL



Yeah,GUNZ is really bad. Fools shooting a steady stream of grenades from their chest.Or infinite Massive Strikes,etc. Biggest difference with that game and this is we pay for this one because we have to. To play anyway. I'm starting to wonder if GameGuard actually helps at all anymore.

[Cz]

Go Sega Team! If anyone can start fix this mess...I think you can! maybe... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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[chibiLegolas]

On 2007-07-09 09:57, Siertes wrote:

On 2007-07-09 09:52, Maverynthia wrote:
So th guy is gone, but has SEGA patched the exploit that allowed for him to do this in the first place?



According to a site mod on the official board, SEGA will be patching this during the July 13th maintenance/update.



What the hell?!
When I was in limbo cause of Segaplay's LOOOONG waiting list to correct my guardian liscense, I LOST 1 full week of FireBreak events. (though Segaplay IS a different department than Support, I'd assume).

Now there's a hacker being reported and all of a sudden Sega Support jumps on it within a day or 2?!
I'm just surprised you got some answer from Sega so quickly!

[Crono114A]

Okay well, Me and Ryuk/Greed. Have been banned. Good luck everyone ;D

[HFlowen]

Yes! Of course! It's seags fault!

Not the hackers, that would only make sense.

[Kietrinia]

On 2007-07-09 11:02, Crono114A wrote:
Okay well, Me and Ryuk/Greed. Have been banned. Good luck everyone ;D

I still wonder...why?

[Cz]

Banning wont solve a thing. >_>
i was hoping that Sega Team would take this type of siuation more serious. Like hire another hacker to track down that hacker, then sue that hacker for the damage he/she causes to the community and their company. Even better yet, have those hackers put to jail. I would prefer it to be that serious to discourage hacking. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Jet1337]

Oooh, sucks for the ps2/pc players. The 360 doesn't have that problem...

[Crono114A]

360 is easy to hack also. I just hate xbox is all, or I'd be on there. But I don't do damage, or at least I try not to.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, there are plenty of hackers out there just not doing anything publicly.

THE JACKEL

[-Tidus_415-]

I would love for something to happen to those who put S-Ranks priced at 99mil just because they like to show off. Oh how funny it would be.

[Midicronica]

On 2007-07-09 11:54, -Tidus_415- wrote:
I would love for something to happen to those who put S-Ranks priced at 99mil just because they like to show off. Oh how funny it would be.



It's so wrong, but so great. I couldn't agree more. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Niloklives]

x.X don't encourage this guys, please...

[Serephim]

Why cant you all just be like the other hackers and not bother any fucking body. Hackers are cool when they ARNT being dickless faggots, bombing people's hard work and shit. Its not cool, you arnt proving anything but how much of a pussy you are, and if you really want to expose a game full of bugs (Which every game on this planet has an ABUNDANCE of, may I add) then go get a job doing it instead of wasting your useless life pissing everyone else off about it.

Their like terrorists. Fucking with people for no reason at all. (Either that or a royally asinine one.)

Im sure sega has the money to prosecute hackers. I sure as hell would put the damaging hackers in jail for ruining profits, they obviously have nothing else to do with their life.

I mean, i have absolutely no problem with the normal hackers, ive done it on plenty of other MMO's, but hacking just to fuck up everyone else is just a waste of time. It shows a personality trait that angers me about people. I dont usually tell people that they have no life since i play videogames alot too, but JESUS making an account just to fuck with people is a sign of some fucked up life situations.

[Crono114A]

Aww someone's pissed.

[Dragwind]

I feel your anger, but sadly corporations don't care until they start seeing a drastic change in their dolla bills

[Ryoki]

Hackers don't bother me unless they hurt people or do unfair things in battle. Since we don't have PVP or any battles (Like Ep. 3 had.), I've learned that I don't really care if someone hacks S ranks, floats in a lobby, ect. If it doesn't harm me, why should I care?

A lot of people who don't hack are way worse than hackers.

I've heard of people scamming during trades, entering S/S2 parties, and dying on purpose.

The only thing that bothered me slightly was when Crea Doubles were duped. My Ice doubles had a lot more value before then.

Now they aren't worth a whole lot, but I hardly care anymore: They are useful to the point where I wouldn't trade them.

I've learned that I don't hate hackers in any way, really. I hate people who like to harm others gaming experience.


In fact, during the time when there were many people making unreleased S ranks, It helped our database immensely, and showed us what we could expect to be released in the future.


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[Almighty_Envy]

On 2007-07-09 08:48, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
the only thing he can steal from you guys is decos and meseta
he can only steal meseta if you're in your room.

When things dissapear from your Store, or from your PM synths, he's not taking them, he's just erasing them

THE JACKEL



Howd you find out about item deleting?....

And im sorry Hexadecimal, but Jackel is right.

[CelestialBlade]

We oughtta be thankful that Sega has learned to listen to us in recent months. Remember all the suggestions we made to Sega about the AoI beta, and we actually got in-depth responses on them? I think Sega's support division has been learning a lot as of late and I'm glad to see a prompt response from them on this matter. They really are beginning to listen to us more than they used to.

Let's be thankful that they're at least learning.

[omegapirate2k]

A shame.

[natewifi]

To sell things, just hustle outside of your shop (aka sell in public).

[Helly]

On 2007-07-09 11:54, -Tidus_415- wrote:
I would love for something to happen to those who put S-Ranks priced at 99mil just because they like to show off. Oh how funny it would be.

On 2007-07-09 11:57, Shadow_Moses wrote:
It's so wrong, but so great. I couldn't agree more. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

On 2007-07-09 12:43, Ryoki wrote:
Hackers don't bother me unless they hurt people or do unfair things in battle. Since we don't have PVP or any battles (Like Ep. 3 had.), I've learned that I don't really care if someone hacks S ranks, floats in a lobby, ect. If it doesn't harm me, why should I care?
All part of the problem.

[Vashyron]

Got this too late......

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w195/Xtreme_Starfox/PSU/psu20070710_053140_000.jpg

Also other bad things happened to me like stolen stuff...



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[Johnny_Future]

Shadow Moses likes to buy up cheap mats and sell them at a higher price.

Johnny Future likes to punch people in the neck until they crap their pants.

People in glass houses should wear clothes, is all JF's saying.

ps: Sorry to those who lost legitimate stuff. Ridiculous <-- even spelling it correctly, because it's heartfelt.

[Sekani]

On 2007-07-09 14:32, Helly wrote:

All part of the problem.


The true problem is that you're all still willing to pay $9.99 a month for the privilege of constantly getting fucked over by hackers and script kiddies. That's something I will never understand, and it makes it difficult for me to sympathize with your plight.

[ljkkjlcm9]

no actually, the problem is people that care too much about the game. Honestly if nobody cared about what they did and stuff, and they didn't get a large crowd like Ryuk did yesterday, they prolly wouldn't do it.

THE JACKEL

[Sekani]

It takes a special person to not care about their room being violated. That's a potentially huge virtual investment being wiped out in a few seconds. But if you don't care about it, what reason do you have to continue playing PSU? And if you do care, what drives you to start over again, knowing you could lose it all once again in the future?

Call it the hackers winning all you want to. I call it Sonic Team losing my business for failing miserably to prevent scenarios like this from happening. It's their responsibility to prevent hackers and exploiters from ruining the game for other people, not ours.

[Almighty_Envy]

Exactly.

If we stop caring, they stop hacking http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[HFlowen]

What? No memory card corruption? These hacks are laaaammmeeee.

(Just playing aorund, don't flame me >.>)

[Almighty_Envy]

I think we all can agree that theres only one thing that can save us:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1139/psu20070621085916000vg1.jpg

Jail bait loli

[Reipard]

I don't think 'not caring' is the correct phrase. I think 'stop giving them attention' is a bit better. Of course you care about your room being hacked. That is why you report it and get pissed off about it. But making large numbers of topics about the hacker and hacking is exactly what they want you to do. They want to see the drama, the whining and the overreacting because A: It makes them feel big and B: It amuses them.

Boredom is the root of all evil. Unfortunately, people will use that boredom as an excuse to do all sorts of crap. However, people who use boredom as an excuse to infringe upon the rights of others or harm them physically/mentally deserve whatever they get coming to them.



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[ljkkjlcm9]

On 2007-07-09 16:07, Sekani wrote:
It takes a special person to not care about their room being violated. That's a potentially huge virtual investment being wiped out in a few seconds. But if you don't care about it, what reason do you have to continue playing PSU? And if you do care, what drives you to start over again, knowing you could lose it all once again in the future?

Call it the hackers winning all you want to. I call it Sonic Team losing my business for failing miserably to prevent scenarios like this from happening. It's their responsibility to prevent hackers and exploiters from ruining the game for other people, not ours.


except the things is, most hackers do nothing to affect other people. It's when other people start making the game unenjoyable with booting people for no good reason, ridiculous prices, making fun of other players etc, that these hackers decided to screw with people. It's just sad that some decent people are hit in the crossfire, but it happens in both directions.

THE JACKEL

[Sekani]

I'm obviously not concerned with hackers that do "nothing", it's the ones that directly ruin my experience that I'm talking about. PM resetting and room decoration theft definitely fall into the latter category.

Still, the mindset most people seem to have is messed up. Instead of "If we stop giving hackers attention then maybe they'll leave us alone," I should be reading "If Sonic Team doesn't do something to secure the game from these hackers, I won't be reactivating my account." Remember, it's Sonic Team's responsibility to stop hacking, not ours. Besides, reading threads like this is sort of a guilty pleasure.

[Reipard]

Still, the mindset most people seem to have is messed up. Instead of "If we stop giving hackers attention then maybe they'll leave us alone," I should be reading "If Sonic Team doesn't do something to secure the game from these hackers, I won't be reactivating my account." Remember, it's Sonic Team's responsibility to stop hacking, not ours. Besides, reading threads like this is sort of a guilty pleasure.

Nobody denied that it is Sonic Team's responsibility to stop this crap. But there is absolutely nothing we can do to help the matter along but report the incidents as they come. And quit, I suppose. But quitting doesn't really help. Quitting only makes ST care even less, because lower income = lower priority.

I am not saying that this is fair, but it IS the case.

[Sekani]

Quitting doesn't help because no one actually quits. They just whine on forums and then go back to the grind.

So you get fucked over by hackers, you get ignored by Sonic Team, and you get to pay for the privilege. I guess that makes some people happy.

[PMB960]

William,

Sorry for the loss of your friend’s items. We take security very seriously and are working to resolve the problem. The user who broke into your friend’s room has been removed.

If your friend would like to send us a complete list of stolen items, it would help. We can not do anything immediately but are tracking the damages done by this hacker.

Thanks,

Jacob Holub

Game Master – Phantasy Star Universe


That was the e-mail I recieved earlier today. So anyone with stolen items should send a list to ST since it will help them determine which were stolen faster. I assume that within the next 2-3 weeks the stolen items will be returned after they sort everything out.

[Nemhy]

On 2007-07-09 10:05, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
they'll try and patch it, maybe do so temporarily, but then something new will come by to get around it. I'm sorry, but any game I've played with gameguard, has been the most hacked game I've ever played. Gunz: The Duel for example

THE JACKEL




Don't forget maple story XD

[Almighty_Envy]

On 2007-07-09 17:03, PMB960 wrote:


William,

Sorry for the loss of your friend’s items. We take security very seriously and are working to resolve the problem. The user who broke into your friend’s room has been removed.

If your friend would like to send us a complete list of stolen items, it would help. We can not do anything immediately but are tracking the damages done by this hacker.

Thanks,

Jacob Holub

Game Master – Phantasy Star Universe


That was the e-mail I recieved earlier today. So anyone with stolen items should send a list to ST since it will help them determine which were stolen faster. I assume that within the next 2-3 weeks the stolen items will be returned after they sort everything out.



Are they gonna scan each user who sends them a list of the item's data o make sure they didnt lie?

Because you know I did lose my Black Heart and Rucar last night...

[Reipard]

Quitting doesn't help because no one actually quits. They just whine on forums and then go back to the grind.

So you get fucked over by hackers, you get ignored by Sonic Team, and you get to pay for the privilege. I guess that makes some people happy.

And what exactly is posting that going to help? Nothing. You can't change Sonic Team's minds nor can you make what people post here help the matter.

What, exactly, does flaming Sonic Team accomplish? About as much as whining and threatening to quit: Nothing.

What is your goal supposed to be?

[Almighty_Envy]

I was kidding.



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[Sekani]

On 2007-07-09 17:11, Reipard wrote:
And what exactly is posting that going to help? Nothing. You can't change Sonic Team's minds nor can you make what people post here help the matter.

What, exactly, does flaming Sonic Team accomplish? About as much as whining and threatening to quit: Nothing.

What is your goal supposed to be?


This is my goal. (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=147188&forum=20&start=220&240#236) Sonic Team taking care of business like they should have done months ago.

You're paying to play this game. You deserve a better experience, you should expect a better experience, you should DEMAND a better experience, or you take your money elsewhere. I was genuinely curious as to why some people don't feel that it's necessary to demand better security in their game, choosing instead to ignore hackers in the hopes that they'll just fade away.

[Serephim]

On 2007-07-09 12:34, Crono114A wrote:
Aww someone's pissed.



They diddnt touch me. Im being pissed for everyone who got raped.

[Serephim]

On 2007-07-09 17:32, Sekani wrote:

On 2007-07-09 17:11, Reipard wrote:
And what exactly is posting that going to help? Nothing. You can't change Sonic Team's minds nor can you make what people post here help the matter.

What, exactly, does flaming Sonic Team accomplish? About as much as whining and threatening to quit: Nothing.

What is your goal supposed to be?


This is my goal. (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=147188&forum=20&start=220&240#236) Sonic Team taking care of business like they should have done months ago.

You're paying to play this game. You deserve a better experience, you should expect a better experience, you should DEMAND a better experience, or you take your money elsewhere. I was genuinely curious as to why some people don't feel that it's necessary to demand better security in their game, choosing instead to ignore hackers in the hopes that they'll just fade away.



Oh yeah, you.

Your arguement means a shitload of nothingness. Every game on this PLANET is subjectable to hacking, and there is no Online game out now that does not have hackers. World of Warcraft included.

That said, there is absolutely no way Sonic Team can act on patching this security hole within a day or two of notice. Your not wanting Hack Protection, your wanting the fucking government to act on Hack-patrol for you.

Sega is a Buisness, they arnt stupid, they are going to fix the problem. Suprisingly they already are getting a fix for it now. You saying "OMFG THIS GUY HACKED ME ITS NOT HIS FAULT ITS SEGA'S" just because they run the game is just stupid. Is it america's fault Katrina hit New Orleans? Is it the Airline's fault for those two planes raping the Twin Towers?

You could say yes, but then again you can't. Security exists because there is always something trying to comprimise it. Let's say the Twin Towers had some kind of Plasma sheild to ward off the Airplanes. Would you all blame the fucking security if someone blew it up with a underground missile or something? Would you complain about us not having "Subterraninan Security"?

Dont blame Sonic Team for teenage virgins with too much time on their hands. We're you put in this position you would be able to handle it no differently, if not worse. Sure, Sega has their horrible faults, they DO try.

That said, your paying to "play their game". You are paying for a certian experience, but when some faggot comes up and destroys your experience, they ARE required to deliver for it. Im not saying they arnt ENTIRELY responsible for the hack attacks, im saying your anger directed at them instead of the people entirely resposible is mis-directed anger. The problems wouldnt exist if people diddnt cause them.

And @ whoever was talking about Sonic-Team Listining to us for AoI, they were only listening to the Japanese players. :





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[Alpha-Hunter]

how do you report your stolen items?

[Wallin]

On 2007-07-09 18:20, Serephim wrote:
You could say yes, but then again you can't. Security exists because there is always something trying to comprimise it. Let's say the Twin Towers had some kind of Plasma sheild to ward off the Airplanes. Would you all blame the fucking security if someone blew it up with a underground missile or something? Would you complain about us not having "Subterraninan Security"?

The difference here is the way Sega generally handles the problem. At least with 9-11 security immediately went up and the government showed concern (I'm sure that's more of an opinion than anything, but anyway...).

When PSU is hacked, what does Sega, and even the community do? Nothing. Yes, they're fixing it with a patch (that won't be implemented until Thursday? I don't quite get that...), I'll grant them that. But like most other times, Sega says nothing to the public, and according to most of the comments, they don't even try to return the lost items. The community doesn't even care anymore - "Oh yeah, ANOTHER hacker, big deal, just go back to leveling and get over it." I don't fault the community for their attitude, but it's just depressing when players are numb to 'injustice' because the people in charge don't seem to care. On a real life scale this is the equivalent of someone robbing your house, emptying your bank account, and brainwashing your child, and no one cares? At least with 9-11 we don't have people saying, "Oh yeah, yet another terrorist act... whatever, just make sure you get to work on time and bring home something nice for dinner."

But at least Sega seems to be listening this time, so hopefully their service will continue to improve and the expansion will be amazing.

[Reipard]

This is my goal. Sonic Team taking care of business like they should have done months ago.

You're paying to play this game. You deserve a better experience, you should expect a better experience, you should DEMAND a better experience, or you take your money elsewhere. I was genuinely curious as to why some people don't feel that it's necessary to demand better security in their game, choosing instead to ignore hackers in the hopes that they'll just fade away.

You have a valid point. But your valid point is completely deluded because you're preaching the right things at the wrong people for the wrong reasons at the wrong time.

Serephim pretty much summed it up. Every game is subject to hacking. It's not like Sonic Team can prevent any attempt at hacking before they begin. But they have announced that they are working on the issue and only a day after the incident. They have not abandoned us over this incident.

So in this light, your point is completely moot and irrelevant. So, I ask again. What are you trying to prove?

[Sekani]

Wallin understands what I'm saying. I agree that in light of recent events my criticism seems misplaced, but I do remember what happened the last time script kiddies ran rampant with PM bombs and room deco theft. The script kiddies made people miserable for over a week before Sonic Team did anything, and I definitely don't recall any GMs making attempts to get people their items back. Their response to this current incident was unexpected in light of their dismal history in dealing with hacks and exploits, but it is what they should have done, so props to them. Perhaps they are learning.

And I'm not trying to "prove" anything, why do you keep asking me that?

[Vashyron]

These hacker people even have there own site/forum with 2000 members, the person/people that hacked us all is there. >.>



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[SStrikerR]

know what makes me laugh?

hackers do this just to get better stuff than others in a videogame that'll be dead in another 5-10 years. then they get banned, pissed, and flame sega cuz the hacker is an ass to hack and thinks, why should i get banned?

cuz ur a hacker chief. >_>

aka cheater

aka no life

aka loser

[Crono114A]

I don't do it to get better stuff... nor do I get pissed when sega bans me. I was stupid enough to get caught, I laugh. lol I just hack because it's fun to play around like that. Some are pissed at hackers because they do damages, I know that sucks. I try not to, really. I just do it for myself/fun as said. But, some other people are just jealous. I'm not saying all.. but I know some are. No use in hiding it.