Can't decide on armor

[imtehlueser]

Beast fortefighter, and I'm trying to decide what armor will ultimately be best for me. I think I have it narrowed down to sori-senba and yamata-senba. I can't figure out if I should sacrifice that little bit of defense for an extra slot (probably the healing unit), or if I should go for yamata for the increased defense.
I'm also open to other suggestions, but I pretty much like these. I want defense mostly, definitely an arm and body slot, and a head slot so I can increase mst. Sori and yamata seem to fit that best.

[DelDevi]

If you have only B-rank slot items you should go for the npc sold B-rank armors - they are cheap, have decent % and mostly 3 slots(since pre-expansion DEF isn't really worth it IMO and decent % armor + Mega / Rainbow protects much better).
But if you got HPC, SPS or Cati/Power and really NEED A-rank armor to equip them I'd go with the Yamatas since Sori is ice element only.



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[CelestialBlade]

Yamata-senbas are widely available in Player Shops, with all kinds of elements on them. Good all-around armor for maximum DFP, Head/Arm/Body slot. Plug in a Mega/Rainbow and you're good to go.

A little bit of DFP isn't going to matter at all, but as long as you can equip 9* armor then go for it. You actually will notice a jump of ~50 DFP.



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[drizzle]

You're still going to have to look carefully to notice a difference of 50 DFP (which is 12.5 damage per hit). It doesn't really matter if that buffed level 100 Go Vahra does 950 damage or 937. A high % electric armor would cut it in half; even if it's a C or B rank armor.

DFP is not a defensive stat. Element % is.

[pikachief]

so whats the best A rank armor? i want an armor that has all 4 slots for my beast cuz shes gonna use shadoogs in the expansion and needs the TP from a sori tech charge http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

is it yamata senba? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif if so how much do u think a high percent one would cost?

[CelestialBlade]

Yamata-senba gives you three of the four, and you don't really need an Extra slot. Sori-senba indeed carries all four slots but it's Ice-only.

If you shop around, you can find 22-26% Yamata-senbas for 800k-1mil. Just be prepared to make multiple Player Shop sweeps. I managed to get a Yamata-senba of each element, at no less than 22% each, for no more than 1.2mil per.

If you don't have that kind of money yet, buy some high-% store-bought B-rank armors for now, they're cheap. But A-rank units are sexy, so save up for an eventual upgrade.

[pikachief]

ohhh.... the only reason i wanted the A rank armor was for my puyoment aura and soon to be rappy mode XD

i like to collect rare items and use them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

is there any knwon A rank armor that has all 4 slots and isnt ice only? XD (or if its just head arm extra, but i dont think that exists....)

[Neoptolemus]

Yeah, the Rabol Rappy has all 4 slots, but that is Light only. It is a great armor, with high evasion. I tend to use mine anytime I am not fighting on Linear Line or HIVE.

[PJ]

On 2007-10-04 06:12, Typheros wrote:
If you shop around, you can find 22-26% Yamata-senbas for 800k-1mil.

Ahh, a great sign of the PC/PS2's economy coming normal.

My photons won't sell even at 2k, and Yamata-senbas are even cheaper than that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Theoderic]

I recommend Crimson Line because of its commonness and usefulness, although there are 2 others to consider that may be better, depending on what you take into consideration. To each his own, but here are comparisons, along with ideas (Beast Fortegunner ideas) for Units.

Crimsonline
Def: 127
Eva: 219
Ment: 168
-Arm
-Body
-Extra

Delette Line
Def: 135
Eva: 203
Ment: 168
End: 2
-Arm
-Body
-Extra

Storm Line
Def: 136
Eva: 240
Ment: 155
-Head
-Arm
-Body
-Extra

From Crimson Line to Delette Line, you lose 16 Eva., and gain 8 Def. and 2 End.. I would take the 2 End. even if I gained no Def. and still kept the hit to Eva.. Having it kind of allows one to emphasize on STA by equipping a STA increasing item, or (for those who have a hard time choosing) allows for one to equip a HP Restore Unit (I think Tero / HP Restore and another one are being released during 1Up Cup).

From Crimson Line to Storm Line, you lose 13 Ment., and gain 9 Def. and 21 Eva.. With the Head Slot added to this armor (and being a non-teching class) you pretty much should fill this with a Unit that boosts Ment.
Sori / Mind boosts Ment. by 75.
Te / Mind S boosts Ment. by 50 and reduces Tech. by 90.
Sta / Mind boosts Ment. by 30.
These will place your Ment. higher than it will be with the other 2 Armors. With Shadoogs coming out, Sori / Tech Charge will be interesting as a Unit, but if TP doesn't increase the damage Shadoogs do too much, a Gi / Magic might be better.

The other slots can be filled with whatever you feel will assist your Fortegunner.

I hope I've been helpful.



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[Rashiid]

On 2007-10-04 06:21, PJ wrote:

On 2007-10-04 06:12, Typheros wrote:
If you shop around, you can find 22-26% Yamata-senbas for 800k-1mil.

Ahh, a great sign of the PC/PS2's economy coming normal.

My photons won't sell even at 2k, and Yamata-senbas are even cheaper than that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



that is armor wise.
i saw a post saying 'i can finally get a halarod under 20mil!!!' - from 1up cup.

still got S ranks to manage, budd http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif
(our average halarod is about 6-7mil)

[pikachief]

thanks theoderic but i'd rather get another armor than delette line http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif i got the board once and sold it for 400k then bought a 18% lightning weld line for 400k right after XD

oh and rashiid y is halarod more than uransara? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif i wan a uransara http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

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[CelestialBlade]

On 2007-10-04 06:21, PJ wrote:

On 2007-10-04 06:12, Typheros wrote:
If you shop around, you can find 22-26% Yamata-senbas for 800k-1mil.

Ahh, a great sign of the PC/PS2's economy coming normal.

My photons won't sell even at 2k, and Yamata-senbas are even cheaper than that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



Well, not quite. What I didn't mention is that most people sell 22% Yamata-senbas for fucking....5-10mil each. Shop around long enough for anything and you should come across something reasonable....unless of course you're shopping for S-ranks. Though hopefully people will stop being retards about them after Cup.

[Theoderic]

If you get any other Delette Line boards, I will buy them for that price. I need to replace these Crimson Lines.

[pikachief]

On 2007-10-04 07:18, Theoderic wrote:
If you get any other Delette Line boards, I will buy them for that price. I need to replace these Crimson Lines.



i would have to just go do plains overlord a few times but no ones ever there http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[drizzle]

On 2007-10-04 07:18, Typheros wrote:
Well, not quite. What I didn't mention is that most people sell 22% Yamata-senbas for fucking....5-10mil each. Shop around long enough for anything and you should come across something reasonable....unless of course you're shopping for S-ranks. Though hopefully people will stop being retards about them after Cup.

Those prices only look retarded until you try to synth them yourself http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Rashiid]

This just in: (360) Halarods - now 5mil http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[desturel]

On 2007-10-04 10:39, drizzle wrote:

On 2007-10-04 07:18, Typheros wrote:
Well, not quite. What I didn't mention is that most people sell 22% Yamata-senbas for fucking....5-10mil each. Shop around long enough for anything and you should come across something reasonable....unless of course you're shopping for S-ranks. Though hopefully people will stop being retards about them after Cup.

Those prices only look retarded until you try to synth them yourself http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



Nothing better than making 2 Cati-senba's out of 4 cati-senba boards. Ortaresin x40 per try. Vulcaline at x35 per try. Only people who don't make armor talk about how overpriced armor is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Of course you guys are talking about "line" armor and Nanoresin is easy to get a hold of. The only problem is the Vulcaline.

[ljkkjlcm9]

as a Beast, I tend to prefer Delette Line or Crimson Line because they have the highest MST of the 9* armors
I'd have delette lines, if all mine didn't fail http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

THE JACKEL

[Rashiid]

ok an 18% 9* armor that only drops from bosses....

i still dont see how its worth 2mil+ - reguardless of how much vulcaline and nano/orta/metaresin is used. im sorry.

greed. greed....

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-10-04 05:02, imtehlueser wrote:
Beast fortefighter, and I'm trying to decide what armor will ultimately be best for me. I think I have it narrowed down to sori-senba and yamata-senba. I can't figure out if I should sacrifice that little bit of defense for an extra slot (probably the healing unit), or if I should go for yamata for the increased defense.
I'm also open to other suggestions, but I pretty much like these. I want defense mostly, definitely an arm and body slot, and a head slot so I can increase mst. Sori and yamata seem to fit that best.

Romulus wears a rabol dadan

+20 ATP

+10 ATA

And now the stuff you don't hear about.

I bought mine for 2.2 mill@ 10% fire, my friends laughed....till they noticed

1. Critical hit ratio went up

2. It spikes attack damage( a full string of higher numbers).

3. It has to be completely overpowered for anything to get through it's defenses.

I actually forgot the rest, spam seabed till u can afford it.

Even neutral it is worth the price... Maybe a bit less. But totally worth it.

I will say it magnifies a beast hunters strenths and slightly adresses its shortcomings

[drizzle]

On 2007-10-04 14:28, Rashiid wrote:
ok an 18% 9* armor that only drops from bosses....

i still dont see how its worth 2mil+ - reguardless of how much vulcaline and nano/orta/metaresin is used. im sorry.

greed. greed....



40 Resin = 300k
35 Vulcaline = 280k
9* armor board = 130k for 3 tries = ~43k per try
15 Photons = let's say you found these yourself.

Total material cost for 1 synth attempt = 623k
On average, one in 3 synths will actually work. We're at 1.8 mil per armor now.
Then if you're lucky, you get maybe a 20%+ armor one in three synths. 2 mil for a 20% 9* armor is a very good deal.

[Turbobrain]

What the guy above said....

Have some of you you ever (tried)to make a Yamato? It is NOT cheap work... 2mil for a 22% Yamato is not too bad in my book.

It took me like 10mil to make a 34% fire, and I thought I was lucky with that.... VERY lucky.



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[Starlet]

yamata-senba, no brainer. Get diff ele for yamata.

[SolomonGrundy]

to confirm armor price correctness

I have been synthing ageha-senba's which have a much higher success rate (70%), and require far fewer materials.

after 50 synth attempts (50!!), I still have not made a 44/50% armor, and I can tell you, I have made plenty of 10/12/14/16 % - which are basically sold at 40% off NPC prices, even with the element.

so yeah, the only thing cheap about synthing armor, is the boards - which can usually be had for a deal, since non armor synther's that the boards are meaningless - it's the mats that kill you.

Esimated cost of each ageha senaba synth attempt 20.7 K
6 ortacarbon: 2.5K each x6 = 15K
Dianaline: basically free
Photons (you go through them quickly): 500 each x 10 = 5K
Board's can be bought in player shops for ~2K

and only 70% of them come out!

This is why buying armor/weapons in player shops is really a steal. They take all the risk, and still have to stay competetive with other shops.



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[panzer_unit]

Cheap: Get low-% Rabol Asted ... EVP's the next best thing to element
Expensive: Get Rabol Dadan, even neutral. EVP again and great secondary boosts.
OMG EXPENSIVE: full set of _any_ armor with 44-50% ele ... of course it'll be vastly less effective after AOI hits.

[SolomonGrundy]

On 2007-10-05 10:36, panzer_unit wrote:
Cheap: Get low-% Rabol Asted ... EVP's the next best thing to element
Expensive: Get Rabol Dadan, even neutral. EVP again and great secondary boosts.
OMG EXPENSIVE: full set of _any_ armor with 44-50% ele ... of course it'll be vastly less effective after AOI hits.



not true. I assume A rank armor with high % will still be horrifying. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[panzer_unit]

One hopes! I heard the effects of high-ele armor were being reduced, so an elemental armor's rank is hopefully going to be more significant.

Then again ST might do something sensible on the surface, like (attack ATP * attack ele) - (your DFP * armor ele)/4 = damage ... in which case even 50% armors are little better than multiplying zeros. I bet that's not the case, but take the time to imagine that possibility anyway.



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