PSU-Item: Calculated NPC Prices

[Zoamel_Gustav]

An item's NPC price can be calculated based on the item's selling rate. Note that the price of elemental items, grinded items, and biomaterials can not be calculated in this way.
NPC's cannot recognize elemental percents nor grind status.
Biomaterials have their NPC offers capped at 10.
Casino weapons, pm grolls, and Melton's Frying Pan have their NPC offers capped at 100.
Calculated Kubara weapon prices are half the normal weapon prices.

The Selling Rates of items to NPCs: http://psupedia.info/Meseta#Item_Meseta_values

Calculated NPC Prices for consumable items:

[SPOILER-BOX]6★ Moon Atomizer X 2000
7★ Photon Charge Cosmo 2500[/SPOILER-BOX]

Calculated NPC Prices for lineshields:

[SPOILER-BOX]10★ [b] lineshield 165000
11★ [b] lineshield 200000
12★ [b] lineshield ?

9★ neutral lineshield 520000
10★ neutral lineshield 560000
11★ neutral lineshield 600000
12★ neutral lineshield 640000
13★ neutral lineshield 680000
14★ neutral lineshield 720000
15★ neutral lineshield 760000 [/SPOILER-BOX]

Calculated NPC Prices for weapons:

[SPOILER-BOX]10★ [b] weapon 180000
11★ [b] weapon 210000
12★ [b] weapon 240000
13★ [b] weapon 270000

9★ neutral weapon 250000
10★ neutral weapon 270000
11★ neutral weapon 285000
12★ neutral weapon 300000
13★ neutral weapon 350000
14★ neutral weapon 400000[/SPOILER-BOX]

Calculated NPC Prices for non-biomaterial synthesis materials:

Elemental Photon:

[SPOILER-BOX]4★ Ban Photon 500
4★ Ray Photon 500
4★ Di Photon 500
4★ Zon Photon 500
4★ Gra Photon 500
4★ Megi Photon 500[/SPOILER-BOX]

Chemical:
7★ Omega Acid 3500

Grinder Material:
10★ Grinder base S 2000

Food:

[SPOILER-BOX]1★ Balji Truffle 50
1★ Mad Truffle 50
1★ Moatoob Truffle 50
1★ Poison Truffle 50
1★ Rotten Truffle 50

2★ Bitter Berry 50
2★ Love Berry 50
3★ Stamina Berry 50
3★ Hustle Berry 100[/SPOILER-BOX]

Metal:

[SPOILER-BOX]10★ Cladorian 8000
10★ Petanite 8000
10★ Catilium 8000
10★ Hapotite 8000
10★ Ydral 8000

13★ Barlian ?
13★ Exanite ?
13★ Gachnium ?
13★ Gurtite ?
13★ Paural ?[/SPOILER-BOX]

Ore:

[SPOILER-BOX]10★ Junaline 30000
11★ Merculine 40000
12★ Neptuline 50000
13★ Terseline 55000
14★ Uranseline 60000
15★ Chronoseline 75000[/SPOILER-BOX]

Hard material:

[SPOILER-BOX]11★ Nanopolymer 18000
11★ Ortapolymer 18000
11★ Metapolymer 18000[/SPOILER-BOX]

An alloy of several different metals. Makes thin, strong blades. :

[SPOILER-BOX]7★ Copernia 10000
8★ Silvenia 20000
9★ Armania 30000

10★ Goldania 50000
11★ Mobinia 75000
12★ Titania 100000
13★ Lithnia 120000[/SPOILER-BOX]

A gemstone. :

[SPOILER-BOX]7★ Olpad 10000
8★ Garnad 20000
9★ Rubinad 30000[/SPOILER-BOX]

A gemstone. Durable and works well with Im-photons. :

[SPOILER-BOX]10★ Tormad 50000
11★ Berilad 75000
12★ Saffiad 100000
13★ Recnad 120000[/SPOILER-BOX]

A gemstone. Durable and works well with El-photons. :

[SPOILER-BOX]10★ Citrad 50000
11★ Amethad 75000
12★ Diad 100000
13★ Suffad 120000[/SPOILER-BOX]

Wood:

[SPOILER-BOX]7★ Kubara wood 5000

10★ Par Walna 15000
10★ Neu Walna 15000
10★ Mot Walna 15000

14★ Par Ork ?
14★ Neu Ork ?
14★ Mot Ork ?[/SPOILER-BOX]

There are exceptions for some items:
[SPOILER-BOX]
3★ Rappy Tip 17500 (Priced like a 6★ Kubara)
4★ Sonichi 125000 (Priced like a 9★ Kubara)

5★ Bukra Famitsu 1750
5★ Bukra Bukra Dengeki 2950

9★ DB Line 680000 (Priced like a 13★ lineshield)
9★ Rabol Politan 95000 (Priced like a 6★ lineshield)

6★ Gudda Dengeki 250000 (Priced like a 9★ Non-Kubara)
9★ Dengeki Bow 17500 (Priced like a 6★ Kubara)[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Dhylec]

A nice reference for our current version. ;]
However, AoI is said to have better reselling prices to NPCs. All these would change instantly, rendering this list out-of-date very quickly.

[Zoamel_Gustav]

On 2007-10-09 18:20, Dhylec wrote:
A nice reference for our current version. ;]
However, AoI is said to have better reselling prices to NPCs. All these would change instantly, rendering this list out-of-date very quickly.

The current version has a weapon reselling rate of 15%. AoI has a weapon reselling rate of 20%, I believe. The actual NPC prices do not change, the NPCs are just willing to pay a higher percentage of the NPC price. This list will not be out of date. If NPC prices did not change, then the calculated NPC prices will not change either.

[WildArms2]

this has no merit at all cause the NPC doesn't sell them soo why do you care at what price they would sell them IF they did sell them??? things that cannont be bought have no set value and change with the times based on supply and demand

[Zoamel_Gustav]

On 2007-10-10 19:10, WildArms2 wrote:
this has no merit at all cause the NPC doesn't sell them soo why do you care at what price they would sell them IF they did sell them??? things that cannont be bought have no set value and change with the times based on supply and demand

The short answer is that this is factual in game data. How anyone interprets or uses this data is up to them. Knowledge is never without merit. People do care.

The long answer is this: Items that can not be bought do have set values. The value of an item is the sum of the resources required to obtain that item. These resources are measurable and adjusted for game balance. There is an objective set range of values. These values are the same for everyone at any time.

Everyone starts with the same character creation. The same missions and shops are availible to everyone. The drop rates and npc prices are the same for everyone. This is all calculatable data. For drop rates to be balanced, the intended value of the item must be known. The amount of resources required to obtain the meseta to buy an item form a shop is balance by the amount of resources required to hunt that same item form a drop.

Consider the damage formula. Given stat data (race/type/equip), the game is programed with the most and least damage any attack will do. The actual damage will vary between these numbers due to a random number generator but can never exceed these limits.

Now consider an ecomnomic formula. Given item data (drop rates, synth rates, intended use), the game is programed with the most and least resale cost of an item. The actual resale price will vary due to player demand, but can never exceed these limits. These limits are the NPC sale and buying prices which are price ceilings and price floors.

Almost every item in the game is either made form npc items, scaled from npc items or interacts with npc items. Therefore their value is based on the value of npc items. All items are based the same formulas with the same data. Being sold or not sold in a NPC shop doesn't change this. NPC shops don't prove the value of an item. They mearly reinforce the intended value of an item. An item doesn't need to be sold by npcs to have a set value.

[WildArms2]

AN item does indeed need to be sold at the NPC to have a set value because if its not it is in limited suppy. NPC have infinate supply of items thus making the value of those items where as non NPC items are unique and rare, their prices can range from anywhere between 1 meseta to 99 million.

WHAT if i went out and purchased all the elemental photons in the game and there were none for sale at all...if you wanted to make a weapon or armor you would have to pay the price that i set on those items, or go find the photons yourself in game. NOW sure you can go find 10 photons in an hours maybe 2 but if you wanted to make 100 weapons and would need 10,000 photons there is no way your going to farm for all those phtons as it would take several months maybe even a year to aquire. You are now forced to buy them from others and if the NPC doesnt sell them then you must reley on your fellow player. IF one person own them all, Monopolizes the market then they can sell them for ANY price they want and it is justified becuase the only other alternative is farming for the yourself which takes far too long. You already see this today with photons players buy them up for resale or staorage or usage and the prices steadly rise as more money is brought into the game the prices on them increases over time.

[darthplagis]

the chart above (thanks ZG) is a guide to what the in game price is based on as mentioned in previous posts.

the problem is as you stated wildarms2, is the player shops price items wayyyyy above the intended value. yes when people have great demand for an item (like feathers for the 1up cup) yes increase the price to a limit that people will pay or you will be able to sell it for, but keep in mind the true value of these items in relation to the intended use.

if people priced items in shops fairly (i am not whining, you will see) then we wouldnt see all of these people selling ebon for 8 and 15 K and so on. also if these figures were known to the mass population who sadly DONT KNOW WHERE TO BUY BOARDS OR SYNTH ITEMS!!!!!!!!!! then the player shops would be forced into lowering the crazy high prices alot of them seem to have.

once again thanks for the conversion Zoamel_Gustav, i have been knocking about this same idea with friends this past week and you saved my head some maths hehehe

[XenithFlare]

I don't get how one can honestly think that an item has to be sold BY NPC to have a value, when the NPC will buy most ANYTHING FROM you for a set price. It's all right in front of you, people. Excellent idea, ZG.

[-Asheth-]

Im sure this will change since the search option will help out and price ranges will be known. Then there will be no more over pricing. If one person lowers something greatly then everyone else will have to come down some. There will no longer be a unknown value or a estimation. There really be a set value.