The really hard/epic games thread

[Darkly]

So i recently bought CoD4, i got it for the multiplayer, but obviously wanted to play the single player too, looking at the achievements i saw you got most for completing levels on veteran so foolishly i hopped straight into veteran mode.

wow. this game is tough, it's carnage the fights are epic, bullets and screaming constantly. Veteran mode puts halo 3 legendary to shame. The thing is enemies have a habit of respawning forever, so you got to shoot qquickly and move forward which is very,very hard to do.

So I decided to make this thread so people can post the hardest games they have played, games that had you screaming at the television throwing a tantrum only to sulk for a while before giving it another shot.

[DizzyDi]

NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN.

[mizukage]

Hard games = games that you can barely avoid a gameover after 2-3 minutes of gameplay
Epic games = games that come either in episodes or a series

Hard games =/= Epic Games

[Weeaboolits]

http://pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/images/thumb/2/2c/Th10_cover.jpg/610px-Th10_cover.jpg[/spoiler-box]I can't beat it on easy yet. ;_;

[spoiler-box]http://pooshlmer.com/touhouwiki/images/thumb/5/52/Th07cover.jpg/607px-Th07cover.jpg[/spoiler-box]That one I can beat on easy, but not without continuing. ._.

[spoiler]I've been playing Touhou a lot recently. >_>;

[Darkly]

At first i was hesitant to put epic in there aswell. Yet they do actually fit - what i meant was those games that were so hard that they felt epic once you completed them. Epic the word is thrown around too much yet i want people to tell me those games they HATED for its difficulty yet felt AWESOME once you actually complete them

[mizukage]

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http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/xenosaga/images/thumb/6/6b/Xenosaga1box.jpg/185px-Xenosaga1box.jpghttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/xenosaga/images/thumb/8/88/Xenosaga2box.jpg/185px-Xenosaga2box.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/84/Xeno3boxart.jpg/256px-Xeno3boxart.jpg
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EPIC!!!

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Hard mode!!!

[Saner]

Halo 3 is almost impossible if you turn ALL of the skulls on, the purpose of the skulls is to offer a challenge beyond Legendary, like a secret customizable difficulty in itself.

I have yet to see anyone beat Halo 3 completely without turning any of the skulls off.



as for epic, Xenosaga trilogy is the most epic to me, well especially storywise. Xenogears is extremely epic too, and first time through it felt longer than Xenosaga 1-3 combined. but it's tough to compare cause both stories have their own great characters, stories, and plot.

But I feel Xenogears has the advantage cause it didn't need a sequel to tell it's whole story (well the story that's self contained), it didn't leave so many plot holes and secrets like Xenosaga episode 1. it didn't end abuptly. it was like Star Wars episode 1-6 in a single game. and even more so than that since I think I clocked over 80 hours on that game.

Xenogears is freaking epic. It makes Chrono Trigger seem like a brief time traveling tour. it makes Final Fantasy 7 seem like a story for pre-schoolers.

Oblivion is pretty epic too since its virtually endless and lots of things to do.


I know Mass Effect will be really epic also.


I think some of the hardest games around are teh Ghost and Goblins games, I hate those games, I never bother trying to finish them.


but back to Xeno, yeah, Xenogears and Xenosaga are the best of the best as far as epic but alas I just can't get enough of it. now if their worlds were only as huge, always true-to-scale, and massive like FF11 and even more so. but meh something can always be done better. they still rock.

[Weeaboolits]

[spoiler-box]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/seihou4.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/seihou5.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/seihoudeathwave.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/seihoudeathspiral.png
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Screencaps/seihou8.png[/spoiler-box]Epic.[spoiler-box]If you wanna' try that game (Seihou: Banhiryuu), you can DL the demo from the official site.

http://ss-do.hp.infoseek.co.jp/saku/saku_bsr.html

It's the bottom link that says "trial-2007-07-17.zip". The game is very fun, not in english, but it's a shooter, so that doesn't matter. I haven't played the full version yet.[/spoiler-box]

[Saner]

the Touhou series has got to be the most insane hardcore shooter ever. I wanna see them come to Xbox Live US. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[TheOneHero]

On 2007-11-13 15:57, DizzyDi wrote:
NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN.



I hope you're talking about the original NES ones.

Or else I'm the only one who didn't have a problem with the Xbox Ninja Gaiden.

The only game to ever make me throw a controller:

F-Zero GX.

Cheap deaths. Auto-catch-up. Insane difficulty.

[Scrub]

Viewtiful Joe on ULTRA V-Rated was the most challenging, fun time Ive had with a video game that I can remember.

God I loved that shit.

Edit - Got the difficulty wrong. Stupid fucking names.

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[DizzyDi]

On 2007-11-13 16:48, TheOneHero wrote:

On 2007-11-13 15:57, DizzyDi wrote:
NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN.



I hope you're talking about the original NES ones.

Or else I'm the only one who didn't have a problem with the Xbox Ninja Gaiden.

The only game to ever make me throw a controller:

F-Zero GX.

Cheap deaths. Auto-catch-up. Insane difficulty.



TRY PLAYING ON EXPERT MODE LOSER.

[mizukage]

Another one of the hard games would be Martian Gothic. Regardless of the name, it has nothing to do with gothic in any way, it is basically a cheap Biohazard clone. I only played it a few times. When the game begins, there is a long cutscene. When I finally get to move the main character around, I got a gameover under 3 minutes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[McLaughlin]

On 2007-11-13 16:48, TheOneHero wrote:

On 2007-11-13 15:57, DizzyDi wrote:
NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN NINJA GAIDEN.



I hope you're talking about the original NES ones.

Or else I'm the only one who didn't have a problem with the Xbox Ninja Gaiden.

The only game to ever make me throw a controller:

F-Zero GX.

Cheap deaths. Auto-catch-up. Insane difficulty.



I agree on every point. I didn't have much trouble with Ninja Gaiden either.

EDIT: Also, I completed Legendary with all the Skulls on while I was hunting down Terminals. It wasn't THAT bad...

Floodgate turns into a goddamn hellhole though. And The Covenant...so much...plasma...



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[TheOneHero]

On 2007-11-13 17:02, DizzyDi wrote:
TRY PLAYING ON EXPERT MODE LOSER.



I have.

Beaten it on every difficulty, Ninja Gaiden Black style yo'. I still don't think it was hard.

[Moo2u]

Kid...Icarus!! Kid frickin' Icarus!! Augggggg!!!

Hmm...more incredibly hard games...I'll have to think about that...

Also, while I couldn't blink while playing F-Zero GX, I was able to unlock everything on that game, which I found pretty impressive. I hope Sega makes another seizure inducing F-Zero for the Wii.

[TheOneHero]

On 2007-11-13 19:10, Moo2u wrote:
Kid...Icarus!! Kid frickin' Icarus!! Augggggg!!!

Hmm...more incredibly hard games...I'll have to think about that...

Also, while I couldn't blink while playing F-Zero GX, I was able to unlock everything on that game, which I found pretty impressive. I hope Sega makes another seizure inducing F-Zero for the Wii.



Everything?

You know that means character profiles/character movies. Beating every cup on Master, with the original Character's car. Oh yeah, finishing in 1st in every race in that cup.

If what you say is true, and you did it legitly...

You sir, need to come to my house. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[mizukage]

On 2007-11-13 19:10, Moo2u wrote:
Kid...Icarus!! Kid frickin' Icarus!! Augggggg!!!

Hmm...more incredibly hard games...I'll have to think about that...

Also, while I couldn't blink while playing F-Zero GX, I was able to unlock everything on that game, which I found pretty impressive. I hope Sega makes another seizure inducing F-Zero for the Wii.



Icarus..sounds familiar. F-Zero wasn't a hard game, but no idea about F-Zero GX.

[Moo2u]

On 2007-11-13 19:15, TheOneHero wrote:

On 2007-11-13 19:10, Moo2u wrote:
Kid...Icarus!! Kid frickin' Icarus!! Augggggg!!!

Hmm...more incredibly hard games...I'll have to think about that...

Also, while I couldn't blink while playing F-Zero GX, I was able to unlock everything on that game, which I found pretty impressive. I hope Sega makes another seizure inducing F-Zero for the Wii.



Everything?

You know that means character profiles/character movies. Beating every cup on Master, with the original Character's car. Oh yeah, finishing in 1st in every race in that cup.

If what you say is true, and you did it legitly...

You sir, need to come to my house. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



I think my eyes were bleeding by the end of it...

[AC9breaker]

On 2007-11-13 15:55, Darkly wrote:
So i recently bought CoD4, i got it for the multiplayer, but obviously wanted to play the single player too, looking at the achievements i saw you got most for completing levels on veteran so foolishly i hopped straight into veteran mode.

wow. this game is tough, it's carnage the fights are epic, bullets and screaming constantly. Veteran mode puts halo 3 legendary to shame. The thing is enemies have a habit of respawning forever, so you got to shoot qquickly and move forward which is very,very hard to do.

So I decided to make this thread so people can post the hardest games they have played, games that had you screaming at the television throwing a tantrum only to sulk for a while before giving it another shot.



I'm quite sure your talking about the sniper mission when your trying to escape and for 3 minutes you gotta wait for the chopper while literally all of Russia fucking descends on two snipers one being injured. Yeah, thats one of the best missions in any game ever. I came so close to breaking my controller many a times on that one part. In the end I had to take the cowards way out and hid behind the building and sniped from there. The difficulty of the game on Veteran difficulty is comparable to Ninja Gaiden, on Insane and definitely beats Halo on Legendary with all skulls on just because the AI is so much more advanced.

Then on Veteren Difficulty even something simple like taking "the shot" is WAY harder then any other difficulty. You have so much more wind to account for and the I originally beat the game on Hardened but have been going back through it on Veteran because its really such a class game.

Infinity Ward did a fucking amazing job with the whole game and my 2nd Favorite mission is the Marine mission where you start out manning the the gun on the chopper and later on around the end you get this black hawk down (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265086/) esque moment where you gotta go and save the pilot. Then the totally unexpected conclusion for that mission. Really, really, epic.

In fact the whole game feels epic, even though your in the perspective of just the soldier you really feel the gravity of the situation for which your fighting for. This game should be the standard by which all incoming tactical shooters should be graded by.


On 2007-11-13 15:59, mizukage wrote:
Hard games = games that you can barely avoid a gameover after 2-3 minutes of gameplay
Epic games = games that come either in episodes or a series

Hard games =/= Epic Games



You forget that they are both subjective adjectives that depend on your own personal interpretation and experience on the subject. Epic is originally poetic terminology. I'm sure you may be familiar with the term poetic license. There is no exact rule for what word one can use to describe something so long as it conveys the message the writer is trying to articulate.

In this case he's just saying the games is really hard and grand. Or more suitable for the game "Deep and Hard" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif




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[SabZero]

Syste Shock is quite challenging. It's also a reference/cult game. Go on, try it (http://www.strangebedfellows.de/index.php/topic,211.0.html) http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[amtalx]

Rookies.

Try max chaining every chapter of Ikaruga.

[DarthRuin]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/Desuken/Shadow_of_the_Colossus_29109.jpg

[Feelmirath]

On 2007-11-13 16:48, TheOneHero wrote:
The only game to ever make me throw a controller:

F-Zero GX.

Cheap deaths. Auto-catch-up. Insane difficulty.


I was so, so happy when I completed that XD

[amtalx]

SotC is neither epic nor difficult. You can breeze through that game in a day. Brilliant game though.

[Mwabwetumba]

On 2007-11-13 17:34, Obsidian_Knight wrote:


EDIT: Also, I completed Legendary with all the Skulls on while I was hunting down Terminals. It wasn't THAT bad...

Floodgate turns into a goddamn hellhole though. And The Covenant...so much...plasma...




Did you do this WITHOUT a second player in the game, either controlled or just being in there?

[Neith]

On 2007-11-14 09:33, amtalx wrote:
SotC is neither epic nor difficult. You can breeze through that game in a day. Brilliant game though.



I should finish that at some point..I put it down halfway through. Still, amazing game, and some of the Colossus' / Colossi? were tough to figure out to start with (Like that one with the sword in the pic, took me ages to figure out that the only way I could climb him was to

[spoiler-box]make him hit one of the stone parts of the arena to shatter his armguard..)[/spoiler-box]



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[Kion]

I'd say 2D games are the most difficult. 2D shooters and fighting games. Anyone every tried Radiant Silver Gun, or Last Blade 2?

[amtalx]

I have Radiant Silvergun. I still think Ikaruga is a bigger challenge though.

[Schubalts]

Zone of the Enders 2 on Extreme difficulty.

[Mwabwetumba]

To actually add to the discussion, I'd like to throw the old school DOOM series out there.

Even the first DOOM is horrendous on the Nightmare difficulty, DOOM 2 even worse and don't get me started on FINAL DOOM and MASTER LEVELS.

I'll just say "Go 2 It".

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-15 11:30, Mwabwetumba wrote:
To actually add to the discussion, I'd like to throw the old school DOOM series out there.

Even the first DOOM is horrendous on the Nightmare difficulty, DOOM 2 even worse and don't get me started on FINAL DOOM and MASTER LEVELS.

I'll just say "Go 2 It".



DOOM on Nightmare difficulty is only hard if you stick around for the monsters to respawn. Speed is the key.

[Mwabwetumba]

Yeah, I'm aware of that speed is the key to clearing Nightmare, but some levels is clearly not meant to be possible to complete.. not that I complain, just gives me more incentive to try! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

For the record, I have yet to succeed in completing "Go 2 It" even on Ultra Violence.. blergh.

Edit: I should probably add that I never use the "Save" function and that I always start each level fresh with only the pistol. So I'm making it harder than it already is -.-


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[Kylie]

The original Tomb Raider games. The newer ones are easier with hints and stuff, but the old ones...

[Scrub]

On 2007-11-15 11:05, Kion wrote:
Last Blade 2



Man I've never met someone else who played this game that I didn't show it to them. This game is fucking awesome.

It's not hard, I dont think, but it's really fucking awesome. Everyone reading this needs to go play it.
NOW! GO!

[Noblewine]

IMO a really hard/epic game are the overlooked types that is burdened with crappy controls and a terrible camera but has a good storyline. A game I have in mind is Dawn of Mana on Hard or Ultimate mode. The easiest boss fights get mediocre and hard at the same time when the boss cheap shots you with a weak attack. Try fighting Stroud and his darn ice attacks. XD

[Split]

Viewtiful Joe...V-Rated mode omfgevery1dies!!1

[Darkly]

ikaruga, yes i remember that being quite difficult. only 5 levels long but totally worth it.

[Solstis]

Epic: Fallout, Arcanum, Oblivion, Skies of Arcadia, pretty much any 4x game (Civilization, Space Empires, Galactic Civilizations), The Halo series (if taken as a whole), pretty much any of the normal Pokemon games.

Crazy Difficult: Some parts of KOTOR depending on build, Burnout 3 (some of those circuits took 30 minutes+), Psychonauts (control scheme... terrible), Strife

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-15 19:03, Darkly wrote:
ikaruga, yes i remember that being quite difficult. only 5 levels long but totally worth it.



Back when I practiced all the time, I used to be able to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj23K8Ri68E

I use a totally different strategy that requires much less movement, same result though. Thats only chapter 1 though...

[ShinMaruku]

BATTLE TOADS BITCHES!
SHINOBI BITCHES!
NIGHTMARE 3 DMD BITCHES
This is a recording

[Nidarrock]

On 2007-11-16 08:12, ShinMaruku wrote:
BATTLE TOADS BITCHES!
SHINOBI BITCHES!


Absolutely.

Adding to the Ninja Gaiden debate, the current versions of them are hard, but they pale in comparision to the NES games.

[Saner]

trying to unlock the Geese fight in Art of Fighting 2, and winning.
now that's hard. I think you had to win every single round.

[Katrina]

While I like strategy games, Nobunaga's Ambition was a freakin nightmare.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1133/256pxnobunagasambitionglh3.jpg

[BlaizeYES]

On 2007-11-16 12:43, Pixiesugar wrote:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1133/256pxnobunagasambitionglh3.jpg





when i first looked at it, i thought that was a samurai riding a motorcycle. if that would be the case, i would have immediately bought that game as a kid.


and you're right, battle toads was a game you just can't beat. theres only so far you can go in it, i've never seen the ending.

but theres a major difference between difficult games and just plain frustratingly hard. "difficult" is when a game is hard, but if you find a system or method that works, you can manage to hold your own and beat it. for example, ninja gaiden for the xbox everyone says is so difficult. it was more about blocking, moving around while still blocking, and waiting for an opening to hit them with a combo and take it over. people will overlook how important blocking is when you're not attacking, or knowing a bad guy's attack patterns, and get overwhelmed. i too was one of the view that loved ninja gaiden and thought the difficulty was just right. well, everything was blockable except for those damn GHOST FISH near the last level. you couldn't avoid them.

now GHOST FISH is the definition of frustratingly hard. theres no real tactic to prevent yourself from getting hit. all you can do is get the nunchucks and pray that your swinging doesnt get interrupted so you can continue to attack. thats not even good tactical fighting, thats just pushing X repeatedly

[DarthFomar]

On 2007-11-13 15:55, Darkly wrote:
So i recently bought CoD4, i got it for the multiplayer, but obviously wanted to play the single player too, looking at the achievements i saw you got most for completing levels on veteran so foolishly i hopped straight into veteran mode.

wow. this game is tough, it's carnage the fights are epic, bullets and screaming constantly. Veteran mode puts halo 3 legendary to shame. The thing is enemies have a habit of respawning forever, so you got to shoot qquickly and move forward which is very,very hard to do.

So I decided to make this thread so people can post the hardest games they have played, games that had you screaming at the television throwing a tantrum only to sulk for a while before giving it another shot.


I hear it's a bit like CoD2's Veteran mode, most of the time. Which is good, because there was only a few times that I wanted to throw my controller during that game anyway. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

But yeah, I'm gonna have to say that Ninja Gaiden is probably the hardest game I've ever played. I still haven't finished it yet. But that's due to the fact that my "old" original Xbox broke, back in the day, and I never got back to my original game save, which was on level 12.

[DLShAdOw]

On 2007-11-14 09:12, DarthRuin wrote:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff56/Desuken/Shadow_of_the_Colossus_29109.jpg



I'm glad you brought this up! In my honest opinion I think this is actually one of the best games of all time. In the history of forever. I did EVERYTHING in FF7 and I still think this game is better! It's only competitors are The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, and maybe Phantasy Star Online.

I LOVE THIS GAME!!!

It's not really that hard though :/

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[Tigerram]

On 2007-11-13 16:39, Saner wrote:
I think some of the hardest games around are teh Ghost and Goblins games, I hate those games, I never bother trying to finish them.


Super Ghouls and Ghosts for SNES.....ARRRGGHHH!

To go through the game 1st hand was easy...on NOVICE! lol.

Then to go back through this horrid game with the Goddess Bracelet in hand on what seemed like Professional Mode...Capcom proved to me they have a major sense of humor.

[Eihwaz]

Shadow of the Colossus is the most epic game I have ever played, bar none.