way to win at casino

[JenJen902]

Ok this isnt a quick way but it works.. Wait until black or red has 5 in a row ( It happens a lot for me) Then bet on opposite color with all your coins, The maximum streak for a color is 5 so just have patience and so far its been true.. Wasted my coins before i figured this out but it seems like it is completely true. It has happened 3 times and has not failed.. I think this is how you will be able to get up into golds.. I know that i want to get showtime moatoob papagayo and maybe a kings chair ^_^ So if you find any flaws tell me before i get up to 10 gold bet it all then lose it all ^_^[

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[Aka]

It's flawed. I've seen up to 9 same color streaks so far.

[Wallin]

Ooh, sorry to burst your bubble, but no. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

The maximum streak I've witnessed is 8, and it's happened two or three times. Even six and seven can happen fairly often. I asked yesterday and one person said he'd even seen it go up to 9. So please don't rely on this. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Jao]

i just spam 7 coins all together a hope it lands in my area!!

[JenJen902]

Thats weird.. ive only witnessed 5 3 times and wished i had my coins >.< wouldve been to 6 (Never been over 1 silver... Always try to bet like 10 copper at a time but it never works) Well at least i know

[Jao]

just bet 1 copper if you win thats 36

[Wallin]

Here's an idea though, maybe the roulette maxes out at 9 of one color, so if you saw it hit one color 5 to 7 times, you could bet on the opposite color and just keep doubling your bet until you win. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Sinue_v2]

The Roulette Wheel tends to hit a number in a section either just a short bit off from where it landed last time, or on the opposite side of the wheel. Get two silver coins and bet on a number spread. Imagine a clock that represents the Roulette wheel. If the last spin landed in the 2:30 position, bet between 3-5 and 9-12. Both of these. You'll lose some of your coins, but so long as you only bet two, you'll get at least 3 back on your investment. This doesn't ALWAYS work, but most of the time it seems it does. I got some silver hitting the Rappy King jackpots and played roulette doing this until I had 30 silver. Then I had to go and put all my coins on Green. I lost. But if you keep going with this system, it should pay off.

[AlphaMinotaux]

Although Percentages say its impossible for its to be the same color again. Luck is always the determining factor in gambling because for the next spin always has a 50% chance to be either color minus the green (0) slot.

[ChaosAngel92]

Im not going to try it, but its true, sometimes the damn thing gets jammed and keep throwing the same color over and over

[ZOError]

Im no expert on this, but I would say I was doing pretty well with my betting pattern..

I would put 20 on 10 through 20
and put another 20 on 1 through 10

your covering 3/4 of the board by this..

after that i would bet 20 on 10 through 20
and 20 on 20 through 30

and just keep switching back and fourth.
i never bet on 20 through 30 and 1 through 10 b/c "0-green" seperates the two.

I also keep a eye on how many times it hits black or red in a row.. if is hits the same color 5 times in a row, ill bet 20 on the opposite color, and if it fials, ill bet higher the next time..


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[cloud805]

ive seen 10 reds in a row O.o

[Zorafim]

The best way to win at the casino is to not play at all. But, barring that, your method is correct, and incomplete.

As pointed out in another thread, there is a certain probability of the roulette being red or black. In the next turn, there's a 50% chance of it being black. There's a 25% chance of the one after being black. Then a 12.5% chance of the next being black, and a 6.25% chance for the next to be black, and so forth. Of course, I mean being consecutively black. Using this, you have a 50% chance of red being chosen the first time, a 75% chance of it being chosen the second, a 87.5% chance of it being chosen the third, a 95.75% chance of it being chosen the fourth, etc. if the roulette is consecutively black.

The reason why it "Always" changed colors was because it was highly probably for the color to change. The fifth time in a row would have a 3.125% chance of happening (96.875% chance of color changing), so the same color being chosen six times in a row would be... Well, one half of 3.125, whatever it is. Considering this, it's a nearly safe bet that the 6th roll will change colors, so it's a relatively safe bet to bet against it happening.

That being said, I just saw seven blacks in a row. That has less than a 1% chance of happening. Nothing is guaranteed.

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[TheTofuShop]

Havent been in there yet but if its like a real roulette wheel then there are...

18/38 Red Numbers ~47.4%

18/38 Black Numbers ~47.4%

2/38 Green Numbers ~5.3%

The Probability that It will hit Red after it hit a Red number is still ~47.4%. It does not change because each event is an independent event. It is still Theoretically possible for it to go Red 30 times in a row. Unlikely, yes, but possible, definetly. All the percentages say is that in the long run, over time, the frequencies will even out to 47 and 5. The board in Vegas probably makes more money for the casino than many games out there.

As for 5 rolls in a row, On my last trip to vegas, I had a board that had hit 5 Red numbers in a row, so I threw 200 on black. Hit red 2 more times before hitting a Green 00. Roulette odds are some of the worst in vegas.

That being said, Roulette is one of my favorite games in vegas to play because its exciting and if you hit a number big, 35-1 is very nice.

Also, some would say betting the 2-1 odds is a good way to make money, as you can cover a lot of numbers, but the odds arent so good. (i.e. 1st 12 and 3rd 12)

[Syl]

I've seen 15 consecutive blacks... so this theory is moot lol.

[Alamar]

nope sorry I have sat there since I can't do runs because of all the problems. And watched 60 games I seen red 6 times and following that black 10 times then it mixed up. I have not seen a pattern I wrote it down to try and see a pattern I can't find one. If there is one I don't see it.

[Teh_pozzum]

On 2007-11-27 01:52, TheTofuShop wrote:
Havent been in there yet but if its like a real roulette wheel then there are...

18/38 Red Numbers ~47.4%

18/38 Black Numbers ~47.4%

2/38 Green Numbers ~5.3%

The Probability that It will hit Red after it hit a Red number is still ~47.4%. It does not change because each event is an independent event. It is still Theoretically possible for it to go Red 30 times in a row. Unlikely, yes, but possible, definetly. All the percentages say is that in the long run, over time, the frequencies will even out to 47 and 5. The board in Vegas probably makes more money for the casino than many games out there.

As for 5 rolls in a row, On my last trip to vegas, I had a board that had hit 5 Red numbers in a row, so I threw 200 on black. Hit red 2 more times before hitting a Green 00. Roulette odds are some of the worst in vegas.

That being said, Roulette is one of my favorite games in vegas to play because its exciting and if you hit a number big, 35-1 is very nice.

Also, some would say betting the 2-1 odds is a good way to make money, as you can cover a lot of numbers, but the odds arent so good. (i.e. 1st 12 and 3rd 12)



That percentage is based on a double 0 board we have only one 0.

[PsNiBe]

On 2007-11-27 01:52, TheTofuShop wrote:
Havent been in there yet but if its like a real roulette wheel then there are...

18/38 Red Numbers ~47.4%

18/38 Black Numbers ~47.4%

2/38 Green Numbers ~5.3%

The Probability that It will hit Red after it hit a Red number is still ~47.4%. It does not change because each event is an independent event. It is still Theoretically possible for it to go Red 30 times in a row. Unlikely, yes, but possible, definetly. All the percentages say is that in the long run, over time, the frequencies will even out to 47 and 5. The board in Vegas probably makes more money for the casino than many games out there.

As for 5 rolls in a row, On my last trip to vegas, I had a board that had hit 5 Red numbers in a row, so I threw 200 on black. Hit red 2 more times before hitting a Green 00. Roulette odds are some of the worst in vegas.

That being said, Roulette is one of my favorite games in vegas to play because its exciting and if you hit a number big, 35-1 is very nice.

Also, some would say betting the 2-1 odds is a good way to make money, as you can cover a lot of numbers, but the odds arent so good. (i.e. 1st 12 and 3rd 12)



only one green zero.

18/37 = 48.65%
1/37 = 2.709%

[PsNiBe]

On 2007-11-27 01:56, SylviaEspada wrote:
I've seen 15 consecutive blacks... so this theory is moot lol.



holy crap! that's like 5 more than anyone else has seen. sh!t this kinda blows a hole in my guide but whatever. maybe you were just really lucky/unlucky to get a wheel that threw you 15 blacks.

[CelestialBlade]

On 2007-11-27 04:28, PsNiBe wrote:

On 2007-11-27 01:56, SylviaEspada wrote:
I've seen 15 consecutive blacks... so this theory is moot lol.



holy crap! that's like 5 more than anyone else has seen. sh!t this kinda blows a hole in my guide but whatever. maybe you were just really lucky/unlucky to get a wheel that threw you 15 blacks.


Seems to happen a lot in my experience. That ticker runs a solid color fairly frequently.

[Zorak000]

I have also heard a rumor that there is some sort of set pattern / equation to the spefic number... but I have yet to see any proof.

then again, it is likely just another hair-brained scheme made up by scammers to get your money...

[Dragon_Knight]

Meh....one guy in my party that happened to end up in the casino was telling me to bet a certain amount of coins on one color or the other. Out of the seven spins I stayed for....only one of his guesses failed. Its hard to play the numbers in a wheel so I think there is something to it. Of course I asked how to guess it ahead of time but he skirted the issue, same with most of the others who seem to know how to do it.

[zandra117]

There is a pattern, I use it every time I play roulette and I have taught it to others as well. The spinning wheel works in sequences of 3 spins for the colors, red or black, and 5 spins for the sections, orange, blue, or yellow. This strategy has been 80% accurate when used in the more populated universes.

Color:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.

Sections:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
4th spin appears to be completely random.
5th spin appears to be completely random.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.
The spinner seems to only have the chance to land on zero if it has the chance to land in the orange or blue section.


Every once in a while this strategy will become desynchronised with the spinner, if this happens take a break from betting, watch the spinner and resynchronise with the pattern.

The best time to place your bet using this strategy is after the 20 second warning.

[ne1first]

^ what a load of BS lol

[zandra117]

On 2007-11-27 07:27, ne1first wrote:
^ what a load of BS lol


You didn't even try it did you?



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[_truth_]

wow..lol. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT A COLOR WILL HIT JUST BCUZ A CERTAIN COLOR HIT A FEW TIMES IN A ROW. Every spin of the wheel is the same odds as every other spin. There is a theory tho, but u need money to back it up. For example, you bet 1 on red, if it doesnt hit, you bet 2 on red, if it doesnt hit, you bet 4 on red and so on, once you win, rinse and repeat. True, Black might hit 20 times in a row, but sooner or later, your gonna end up hitting red, and as long as you double your bet everytime, you will start winning. ;D You can thank me later;p On another note, we need video poker or a poker table to sit down with other players so i could take all your moneyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz;p



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[pikachief]

i have a very very good stratigy and if it works i'll tell u tomarow! it takes a whole day to even test out so.... yea i was gonna do it this morning but fell asleep and missed my oportunity >.<

so if i get a "trick" i'll tell u tomarrow

[ErtaiClou]

I've seen it go one color straight across the scroll, so 15 is plausible. If I see a streak going on I bet smaller amounts WITH that color until it ends. The temptation to bet against it is overwhelming. I see people lose their days' earnings trying to bet against streaks.

[3nascar3fan3]

On 2007-11-26 23:50, Zorafim wrote:
The best way to win at the casino is to not play at all. But, barring that, your method is correct, and incomplete.

As pointed out in another thread, there is a certain probability of the roulette being red or black. In the next turn, there's a 50% chance of it being black. There's a 25% chance of the one after being black. Then a 12.5% chance of the next being black, and a 6.25% chance for the next to be black, and so forth. Of course, I mean being consecutively black. Using this, you have a 50% chance of red being chosen the first time, a 75% chance of it being chosen the second, a 87.5% chance of it being chosen the third, a 95.75% chance of it being chosen the fourth, etc. if the roulette is consecutively black.

The reason why it "Always" changed colors was because it was highly probably for the color to change. The fifth time in a row would have a 3.125% chance of happening (96.875% chance of color changing), so the same color being chosen six times in a row would be... Well, one half of 3.125, whatever it is. Considering this, it's a nearly safe bet that the 6th roll will change colors, so it's a relatively safe bet to bet against it happening.

That being said, I just saw seven blacks in a row. That has less than a 1% chance of happening. Nothing is guaranteed.

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i just want to point out that your percentages are of the whole sequence happening like it rolling 5 black out of 5 rolls

but what you said is different than that you said it has a 95%+ of it hitting red after landing on black which is NOT true it has a 50%(not counting zero) chance for that spin

you have to realize that past spins have nothing to do with future spins they dont increase your chances at winning or loseing

statistically in a perfect world you would have a better chance if you bet the opposite color but that doesent happen it is compleatlly random each time

basicly you must start to treat every spin as a single event and to stop stringing togeather the spins into a larger event

personally i like to bet uni 15 (xbox360) because the wheel seems to like to stay near the higher numbers (13-36) and so i bet on that set of numbers and i have helped one person get ascention gift and another the parrot(moatoob papagayo) and the only reason i havent reached that far is because i wouldent quit when i was ahead and continued to waste all of my coins on the slot machines

sorry if i seem to be picking on you i was just trying to show every one that stratagies dont work and it is compleatlly based on luck and your post was the perfect example

futhermore the only way to gaurentee winning in the long run is to double your bet every time you lose granted you have enough coins to do so

EDIT

I did some testing with the double bet plan and it plays as follows

Bet number~|1|2|3|~4|~5|~6|~7|~8~|~9~|~10~|
bet amount~|1|2|4|~8|16|32|~64|128|256|~512|
total spent~|1|3|7|15|31|63|127|255|511|1023|
winnings~~~|2|4|8|16|32|64|128|256|512|1024|

the ~ is white space used to help space the table better

Note this is starting with a one coin bet the numbers are higher depending on how many you start with but to find those values just multiply the table by your starting bet

also with this stratagy i suggest finding a universe that the wheel tends to change color ever other spin or close to

the main drawback with this stratagy is that you will only win your original bet back so if you go with 1 coin you only win 1 coin profit but raising your initial bet will allow you to win more per cycle but you must be careful and have enough money to continue the streak (bet 10 for initial at four losses will have spent 1.5 silver)

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[Wallin]

On 2007-11-27 05:53, zandra117 wrote:
There is a pattern, I use it every time I play roulette and I have taught it to others as well. The spinning wheel works in sequences of 3 spins for the colors, red or black, and 5 spins for the sections, orange, blue, or yellow. This strategy has been 80% accurate when used in the more populated universes.

Color:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.

Sections:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
4th spin appears to be completely random.
5th spin appears to be completely random.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.
The spinner seems to only have the chance to land on zero if it has the chance to land in the orange or blue section.


Every once in a while this strategy will become desynchronised with the spinner, if this happens take a break from betting, watch the spinner and resynchronise with the pattern.

The best time to place your bet using this strategy is after the 20 second warning.



But how do you know where or how many players have bet on which spaces? Just because a space has a silver on it doesn't mean anything - I just saw a roulette spin where all the color and dozen spaces had a single silver on them, so how am I supposed to form any sort of pattern from this?

And if you teach and spread this pattern, then you're only defeating yourself because the technique is based on minorities and majorities. Even if this does work, once it catches on, people will be screwing up the systemby making a minority the majority. I don't follow this method at all.

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[Maxson]

The "double your bet" system is a very old one; it's called the Martingale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)). Read the link if you want to see why it eventually fails.

The idea that you can read a streak is the Gambler's fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy). The theories behind why people see streaks in gambling are interesting, but none of them make the streaks actually true. It's not like Sega has a reason to rig the games, anyway- decent random number generators are easy to come up with these days.

In the end, bet for fun, not for profit. I've made a modest silver or so by betting (using the 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9... method), but I know that it'll run dry on me sooner or later.

[MELGRIN]

wow i guess i am going to have to kill another " magical winning on a randomized game theory"

its random stop trying to come up with little math theories. 50% chance on the black and red. end of story.

[MELGRIN]

wow i guess i am going to have to kill another " magical winning on a randomized theory"

its random stop trying to come up with little math theories. 50% chance on the black and red. end of story.

[Hyper_Rappy]

I just bet on the color with the most bets that round. but really i just dont bet, i just get my 1 free silver coin each day and wait till i have enugh to get what i want.

[Wallin]

3 fever modes on slots in 7 minutes, and I have just one thing to say:

Bells SUCK.

[Syl]

On 2007-11-27 05:53, zandra117 wrote:
There is a pattern, I use it every time I play roulette and I have taught it to others as well. The spinning wheel works in sequences of 3 spins for the colors, red or black, and 5 spins for the sections, orange, blue, or yellow. This strategy has been 80% accurate when used in the more populated universes.

Color:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.

Sections:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
4th spin appears to be completely random.
5th spin appears to be completely random.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.
The spinner seems to only have the chance to land on zero if it has the chance to land in the orange or blue section.


Every once in a while this strategy will become desynchronised with the spinner, if this happens take a break from betting, watch the spinner and resynchronise with the pattern.

The best time to place your bet using this strategy is after the 20 second warning.



Sorry, but that's as theoretical as feng shui. Just saw 3 0's in a row... lol.

It's random, end of story. Good luck trying to figure out the algorithm.

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-27 17:03, SylviaEspada wrote:
Sorry, but that's as theoretical as feng shui. Just saw 3 0's in a row... lol.

It's random, end of story. Good luck trying to figure out the algorithm.



Actually I looked at it again - it's just plain nonsense.

"1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win."

1. A majority, or three or less? Again, how do you know how many people bet, especially 'three or less'?
2. "Working against the majority" is the same thing as saying minority...
3. If this is a populated casino, you can't go by the "no one wins" rule, so you're going with the minority again...

So, one more time, let me get this straight...
1. Majority or minority wins, a.k.a. completely random.
2. Minority wins.
3. Minority wins.
4. Completely random.
5. Completely random.
Oh, and I almost forgot...
"Every once in a while this strategy will become desynchronised with the spinner, if this happens take a break..."
So, possibly 6, 7, 8, etc. Completely random.

So either it's completely random or when it's not completely random, bet on the minority. ROFL!

[Hyper_Rappy]

Its random! End of story!

[BFGfreak]

Well, actually, it does kinda make sense, I saw some high roller constently winning, but when other people started copying his moves, he started to lose. So yeah, I do buy that this thing is programed to have the majority lose. (example, lets say a majority bets on black, the computer will then say, this turn, I will not land on black)

[Syl]

On 2007-11-27 19:51, BFGfreak wrote:
Well, actually, it does kinda make sense, I saw some high roller constently winning, but when other people started copying his moves, he started to lose. So yeah, I do buy that this thing is programed to have the majority lose. (example, lets say a majority bets on black, the computer will then say, this turn, I will not land on black)



Well, like almost every time I make a huge bet, I lose...

Does that constitute anything? No, not really. Lady Luck tends to favor and hate certain people lol.

[Wallin]

I just realized, if they were going to change the name of the casino from the Japanese version, they could've changed the names posted all over the walls and floors. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Carlo210]

On 2007-11-26 20:43, Jao wrote:
just bet 1 copper if you win thats 36


I hate when people do that. You waste 7 bronze to win 36, meaning you win 29 profit.
But did you know there's a thing such as the 1/3rd areas? It has the same odds as spamming bronze coins in an area. Yeesh.

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-27 20:16, Carlo210 wrote:

On 2007-11-26 20:43, Jao wrote:
just bet 1 copper if you win thats 36


I hate when people do that. You waste 7 bronze to win 36, meaning you win 29 profit.
But did you know there's a thing such as the 1/3rd areas? It has the same odds as spamming bronze coins in an area. Yeesh.



I'm so confused, where the heck did 7 come from? 1 copper on 36 means your profit is 35... which has nothing to do with spamming the 1/3rd area because that's betting on 12 spaces for a 3x profit... still don't know where 7 fits in, LOL.

[Wallin]

Okay, I know people are going to bring up the "OMGz there's no pattern" spiel for this, but am I the only one who notices set patterns a lot? Where it frequently lands on spaces with the same ones digit?

http://www.chibiknights.com/images/pso/PSU/roulette.jpg
3 different roulette shots, the fourth line is an extension of the 3rd.

I don't think it's very reliable, but I still see it quite often.

[Carlo210]

What kind of patterns might that be? >.-

[Wallin]

What, did I lapse into another language? It frequently lands on spaces with the same ones digit, as shown in the screenshot...

[jcm5]

um.... ya this wouldnt happen if they put cards in the casino go poker!!!

[Wallin]

I don't know how wild I would be about playing poker solo, that's kind of the fun of the roulette...

(And in case you're wondering why you'd be playing solo, two things - I'm not about to waste my 1 silver a day at a table with 5-7 other people where only one person can win, including the house, and the other is that you could potentially trade money to other players by betting large and folding)

[ANIMEniac]

well not that it is exactly on topic... but if u wanna win coins play slots right after i have run out of coins... 3 times i have stoped playing for the day (usualy ends with slots) and as im leaving some1 hits the jackpot. yea it pisses me off but as thay say, better to be pissed of than pissed on >.>

[Wallin]

I hate the slots... it's fun, but it sucks.

"One more!!!... oh, shoot, you got a bell instead..." $#%$#^#$^...

"One more!!!... lucky!!! *Bells... bells... bells... bells... PM... bells... bells... bells... bells... bells...* oops, fever mode ended!" #$%#$@%#$%!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said before, I got 3 fever modes in 7 minutes, I've probably gotten over 8 of them in the little time I've spent in the casino. No jackpot, just a crapload of bells!!

[tailz]

i saw black hit 13 times in a row yesterday.... needless to say, i lost all my coins lol

[Wallin]

Ha! I can lose my coins in 8 turns! * queue Name That Tune music *

[_truth_]

On 2007-11-27 16:22, Maxson wrote:
The "double your bet" system is a very old one; it's called the Martingale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)). Read the link if you want to see why it eventually fails.




On 2007-11-27 08:32, _truth_ wrote:
There is a theory tho, but u need money to back it up.

[amtalx]

As most people know, random number generators are NOT random, but this is ridiculous. There is no discernable pattern from this data.

[Tomeeboy]

I think that one way to *possibly* make a lot of money is to take that 1 silver they give you every day and let it ride on red or black for a set number of spins, say 2 or 3. It doubles each time you win, so if you do it three times you could potentially turn one free silver coin into 8 silver coins in a matter of 3 spins (or 4 silver if you stop at 2 spins). If you win, pocket the money and get out of there, then do the same thing with your free silver the next day (and only the 1 free silver). If you continue to pocket your winnings and do not bet them, you're bound to accumulate some coins eventually. Of course, you could just keep the free silver every day, but that's not quite as fun (although it's far less risky http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif).

I'm going to try this method myself for a little while. The idea behind it is that by doubling your free silver two or three times, you can try to win enough money to counter the odds of the game (which are not in your favor), and absorb the losses that you will undoubtedly have on other days. You could very well end up with less money than if you just kept the free silver each day, but at least there is some possibility of coming out way ahead if you happen to have a little luck. I've seen colors hit 2 or 3 times in a row quite often.

[Maxson]

On 2007-11-28 06:26, _truth_ wrote:

On 2007-11-27 16:22, Maxson wrote:
The "double your bet" system is a very old one; it's called the Martingale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)). Read the link if you want to see why it eventually fails.




On 2007-11-27 08:32, _truth_ wrote:
There is a theory tho, but u need money to back it up.





You need a LOT of money to back up a tiny win. Most of the people here are relying on winning within 5 or 6 turns, and as Wallin's post shows, it's not hard to see 5 or 6 of a color come up one after the other (I've seen 8, others here have seen more). Doubling up only 8 times is 1+2+4+8+16+32+64+128... if you started by betting 1 bronze, you'd need 2 silver and 55 bronze to break even. Two more losses requires a staggering 1 gold 23 bronze to break even- all starting from one bronze!

If you discipline yourself and are happy with winning one or two bronze all the time, that's fine... but people are betting silvers when they've only got 10 of them, and that's asking for trouble. Even if you forget about the statistics, it's not so much that you can't regularly win at roulette- it's that you can't win big, and everyone wants to win big.

[stukasa]

On 2007-11-28 09:38, Maxson wrote:

On 2007-11-28 06:26, _truth_ wrote:

On 2007-11-27 16:22, Maxson wrote:
The "double your bet" system is a very old one; it's called the Martingale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)). Read the link if you want to see why it eventually fails.




On 2007-11-27 08:32, _truth_ wrote:
There is a theory tho, but u need money to back it up.





You need a LOT of money to back up a tiny win. Most of the people here are relying on winning within 5 or 6 turns, and as Wallin's post shows, it's not hard to see 5 or 6 of a color come up one after the other (I've seen 8, others here have seen more). Doubling up only 8 times is 1+2+4+8+16+32+64+128... if you started by betting 1 bronze, you'd need 2 silver and 55 bronze to break even. Two more losses requires a staggering 1 gold 23 bronze to break even- all starting from one bronze!

If you discipline yourself and are happy with winning one or two bronze all the time, that's fine... but people are betting silvers when they've only got 10 of them, and that's asking for trouble. Even if you forget about the statistics, it's not so much that you can't regularly win at roulette- it's that you can't win big, and everyone wants to win big.


What if you waited until you already saw a run of 5 before betting on the other color? You see 5 reds in a row, then you start betting on black. That way the streak is already at #6 when you start betting and the chances of the streak ending are higher. I know, I know--it's the gambler's fallacy to believe that past events will influence future ones. Yet it remains true that the longest streak most people have seen is 10-11. I think Rashiid's the only one who saw a run of 15, and that's extremely rare. Does waiting until the 6th round guarantee you'll come out ahead? No, but it increases the chances of it. Don't you think? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[_truth_]

On 2007-11-28 09:38, Maxson wrote:

On 2007-11-28 06:26, _truth_ wrote:

On 2007-11-27 16:22, Maxson wrote:
The "double your bet" system is a very old one; it's called the Martingale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_(betting_system)). Read the link if you want to see why it eventually fails.




On 2007-11-27 08:32, _truth_ wrote:
There is a theory tho, but u need money to back it up.





You need a LOT of money to back up a tiny win. Most of the people here are relying on winning within 5 or 6 turns, and as Wallin's post shows, it's not hard to see 5 or 6 of a color come up one after the other (I've seen 8, others here have seen more). Doubling up only 8 times is 1+2+4+8+16+32+64+128... if you started by betting 1 bronze, you'd need 2 silver and 55 bronze to break even. Two more losses requires a staggering 1 gold 23 bronze to break even- all starting from one bronze!

If you discipline yourself and are happy with winning one or two bronze all the time, that's fine... but people are betting silvers when they've only got 10 of them, and that's asking for trouble. Even if you forget about the statistics, it's not so much that you can't regularly win at roulette- it's that you can't win big, and everyone wants to win big.



True, of course the system is flawed, but its called "gambling" for a reason, and this is probably the only "edge" your going to get in a complete random game. Another note is your not always going to have those big gaps in between your wins, such as not hitting your color 5-10 times in a row, sometimes your color will be the one hitting 5-10 times in a row. All in all, it comes down to luck, but out of all the "theories" listed here, i can guarantee this is the most "sound" one.

Also, if your betting 1 bronze a time, then just give up now. ;p

[JinxoOrougeOo]

On 2007-11-26 23:50, Zorafim wrote:
The best way to win at the casino is to not play at all. But, barring that, your method is correct, and incomplete.

As pointed out in another thread, there is a certain probability of the roulette being red or black. In the next turn, there's a 50% chance of it being black. There's a 25% chance of the one after being black. Then a 12.5% chance of the next being black, and a 6.25% chance for the next to be black, and so forth. Of course, I mean being consecutively black. Using this, you have a 50% chance of red being chosen the first time, a 75% chance of it being chosen the second, a 87.5% chance of it being chosen the third, a 95.75% chance of it being chosen the fourth, etc. if the roulette is consecutively black.

The reason why it "Always" changed colors was because it was highly probably for the color to change. The fifth time in a row would have a 3.125% chance of happening (96.875% chance of color changing), so the same color being chosen six times in a row would be... Well, one half of 3.125, whatever it is. Considering this, it's a nearly safe bet that the 6th roll will change colors, so it's a relatively safe bet to bet against it happening.

That being said, I just saw seven blacks in a row. That has less than a 1% chance of happening. Nothing is guaranteed.

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ur high school math teacher would be pissed what you are talking about is the probability of 7 blacks being spun in a row the fact that it is less then a 1 in 100 shot is true however saying that on the 5th black in a row the chance for another black is 3 and 1/8 percent is false every spin excluding green is a 50/50

[_truth_]

On 2007-11-28 10:40, JinxoOrougeOo wrote:

every spin excluding green is a 50/50



This is what so many people fail to realize.






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[WhiteKnight01]

what i do is i bet everything on one 50/50, if i win i bet 1 silver again, if i win again i bet 1 silver, if i lose i stop, worst comes to worst i come out with 1 silver a day, most of the time more, thats what i do and im not too botherd about it, after all its just a game inside a game

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-11-28 10:24, stukasa wrote:
You see 5 reds in a row, then you start betting on black. That way the streak is already at #6 when you start betting and the chances of the streak ending are higher. I know, I know--it's the gambler's fallacy to believe that past events will influence future ones. Yet it remains true that the longest streak most people have seen is 10-11.

Please don't gamble real money. Since arguing against gambler's folly doesn't seem to work on some people, maybe this will...

In General:
Streak of 6 reds... chance is 1/64
Streak of 10 reds... chance is 1/1024

When You've Already Seen 5 Reds Come Up:
Streak of 6 reds... chance is 1/2
Streak of 10 reds... chance is 1/32

[Maxson]

By waiting for the fifth color in a row before betting, or using Martingale, or using any of the more popular methods, you're basically using a smart way to accept X number of losses before ending up broke. What I'm worried about is how people think X can be 5... at first, it can be, and you'll get some dazzling wins, but when X = 6 you'll suddenly be broke.

In the end, there is no way to "win at casino"- there's a way to have fun playing, and to be smart while playing, which is true for all games (including PSU, which we're all playing, right?). I play roulette in between missions and have a lot of fun doing it. These systems help people have fun and play smart, but let's not take that last step and claim they will make you win, because that system just doesn't exist.

[3nascar3fan3]

On 2007-11-27 20:23, Wallin wrote:
Okay, I know people are going to bring up the "OMGz there's no pattern" spiel for this, but am I the only one who notices set patterns a lot? Where it frequently lands on spaces with the same ones digit?

http://www.chibiknights.com/images/pso/PSU/roulette.jpg
3 different roulette shots, the fourth line is an extension of the 3rd.

I don't think it's very reliable, but I still see it quite often.


I have also seen this happen and it happened on the crazy day that i was guessing everything right

as soon as i logged in my friend sent me a private chat (xbox360) and asked me to pick a number and i chose 22 and he bet on it and won! it was crazy he then told me to pick colors and i got the next 3 right then i stoped guessing and started using a stratagy where you bet on 13-36 (if anyone want to know i can explain later) and started winning myself and i then noticed a similarity of the results all of the numbers had either a 2 or 3 or both except for one that was 19 not only that but there was also 2 22 that poped up again in that sequence the wheel was crazy

then my friend did it to me yesterday but in grinding instead i had 3* luck so i went to go grind my newlly acquired phantom the dropped in the mission and i had only 3 A grinders and he kept saying that it was going to break on the second grind and it did! the little f!@# lol

[stukasa]

On 2007-11-28 11:09, panzer_unit wrote:
Please don't gamble real money. Since arguing against gambler's folly doesn't seem to work on some people, maybe this will...

In General:
Streak of 6 reds... chance is 1/64
Streak of 10 reds... chance is 1/1024

When You've Already Seen 5 Reds Come Up:
Streak of 6 reds... chance is 1/2
Streak of 10 reds... chance is 1/32


I don't gamble with real money. I don't even gamble with virtual money (yet). I'm just trying to work out in my head what constitutes an "acceptable risk." http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

People always say, "You can't look at past results. The odds of the current bet are always 50/50." I realize that, but to quote myself: "Yet it remains true that the longest streak most people have seen is 10-11. I think Rashiid's the only one who saw a run of 15, and that's extremely rare."

The current odds are 50/50. That's a fact. Logic will tell you that you have the same odds this time that you did last time. As crazy as it sounds, sometimes you have to throw logic out the window and just look at what's actually happened. No one I know of has recorded a streak longer than 15 (and again, that was only once). If you've seen 5 reds come up, history says there will be *at most* 10 more reds before it comes up black. Is it possible to have a streak last longer than 15? Sure. But has it happened, despite the 50/50 odds associated with each spin? Not to my knowledge.

Given a decent amount of money and a bit of luck, I think my idea does constitute an "acceptable risk" (but I haven't tried it yet http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

[Maxson]

Well, it sounds fun enough. Just make sure you have enough to cover the potential losses by doubling each time. If you assume a maximum of 10, and 5 have already passed, make sure you have 31 times (1+2+4+8+16) the initial bet before starting.

[Carlo210]

(Note: I use the term 50/50 and 50% loosely. I really mean a 47/48%-ish chance)

There's a lower chance of getting 7 reds in a row than getting one red. This is fact. Yes, there's a 50/50 chance to get a red or black, and it's true that all turns are independent, but the sequences aren't independent, and this is what we are talking about. Not individual results, but pooled results.
It's true that betting on red once after a 20 red streak will give you a 50% chance at winning, but betting that red will have a 20 streak is extremely rare.

Yes, getting a red after nine reds is a 50/50 chance, but getting 10 reds in a row overall is a pretty low chance.

Simulation of single bets:
Bet on red. 50% chance. Win!
Ber on red. 50% chance. Win!

Simulation of streak betting:
If you stay and bet on red 10 times in a row, the odds say that you'll win 50% of the time. However, the odds are even lower that you will win 5 times in a ROW.
The sequence of 5 reds and 5 blacks, that that ORDER, is extremely rare, just as a red, black, red, black, red black, etc result is very rare.
This isn't about chances in getting an individual red or black, this is about getting an 'order' of reds or blacks in a row.
The math for this would involve something along the lines of 'permutaion' and 'choose', which is data management, which is the math of gambling, which is why there are gambling experts in this world and why people get kicked out of casinos.

Getting 10 blacks in a row out of 100 total spins of the wheel is very rare. Period.
Some of you are confusing STREAKS with BETTING ONCE OR TWIC DURING A STREAK.
If you bet on black once after a 9black streak, then the chances of you winning may appear to be 50%. However, the chance that a black will show up after 9 blacks is low. Having 10 blacks appear in sequence isn't a 50% chance, while having a black appear PERIOD is a 50% chance. Understand?
If you bet on black 10 times in a row, the odds of you winning all of those 10 bets is very rare. It is NOT a 50% chance that you'll win 10 bets in a row.

Every time there's a turn on the roulette, there's a 47%-ish percent (not 50%) that you'll get red. When you expect red to win the 47% chance once, you're playing smart. However, when you stay and bet on expecting a long streak, the chances are lower.

Playing heads or tails: getting heads once is a fair chance. Getting it again is also a fair chance. However, getting it twice in a row is a lower chance.
Out of 100 turns on a roulette wheel, (approximately) the odds say that 48-ish will be red, 48-ish will be black, and 4 will be green. Getting 48 reds total is a 48-ish% chance. However, getting them all in a row is a much lower chance. This is why independent results (one turn) and pooled results (more than one turn) are different. This is why 10 reds in a row, for example, is rare.
The longer the streak, the more the odds play against you. When guessing a number from one to two, saying you'll guess right 5 times in a row has the same odds as guessing right once is ridiculous. Roulete is the same way (except the odds are never fair, thanks to green 0).

It is NOT a 50/50 chance to get a 20 red streak. It IS a 50/50 chance to get a 1 red streak. Understand? When you stay on red for 20 turns, the odds say there's a 47/48-ish% chance you'll win around 5 times. However, the odds are MUCH lower that you'll win those 5 times in sequence.

In conclusion, there are two different aspects to roulette - single bets and streaks. There is always a 50% chance that a red or black will appear, but there is not a 50% chance that two blacks will appear in a row. As you can tell, this doesn't mean that red, black, red, black results are better than red red red results, because they aren't. This is the beauty of roulette - it's an odd odd's game.
It's different than Texas Hold'Em Poker, where you can calculate the % chance your opponent has a better/worse hand by seeing your cards, the five flipped cards, who folded/raised, and so forth.
In roulette, it's just you and the previous results. The odds aren't good that you'll get a 10 black streak, but they aren't too much better that you'll get a seemingly random black/black/red/black/red/black/red/red sequence either. The truth with roulette is that the casino will always have the better odds as there is never a 1/2, 1/3, or 1/36 chance you'll win anything.
Why? Because of Green 0. It's breaks all of the rules and makes roulette a game that has tried to be calculated and calculated for ages but, in the long run, mister casino has the better chances of taking your monies. However, you can learn how to increase your odds in any casino game by learning the math of gambling - data management.

You can also learn the chances of other interesting things, like the chance you'll pick an apple out of a bag with 5 apples, 8 oranges, and two pears. d(^.^d)



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[Maxson]

BTW, for PC users, the game automatically keeps separate logs of the roulette results in your LOG folder (they're casino_log instead of chat_log). The default in Options is to save logs, so chances are you've got some already.

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-28 12:43, Carlo210 wrote:
In conclusion, there are two different aspects to roulette - single bets and streaks.


On 2007-11-28 11:34, stukasa wrote:
People always say, "You can't look at past results. The odds of the current bet are always 50/50." I realize that, but to quote myself: "Yet it remains true that the longest streak most people have seen is 10-11. I think Rashiid's the only one who saw a run of 15, and that's extremely rare."

Given a decent amount of money and a bit of luck, I think my idea does constitute an "acceptable risk" (but I haven't tried it yet http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

Oh yay, here we go again...

Unless you're saying that the roulette wheel is rigged to only land on a color a certain number of times before it must switch, then streak betting is useless.

If you can't tell me with more than 50% accuracy at any point in a streak of any given length whether or not the next color will be red or black, what is the point of streak betting?

Example:
The roulette wheel lands on red three times... do you wait, or do you bet?
If it happens five times, do you wait, or bet?
Seven times...?
Ten times?

Say the roulette wheel lands on red twenty times... the moment the roulette wheel starts spinning, can you honestly tell me that you are more than 50% confident, that you could get up and grab a soda and come back feeling guaranteed of a win, because you know the wheel will land on black? No, you never know where it's going to land, you're just hoping it will land on the opposite color because it already has so many times before, but since the number of times it landed before have no physical influence on where it will land next, it doesn't matter.

Let's reverse the situation. If you have the confidence to bet against a streak of five red, why are you betting that the chain will break rather than continue? The spins speak for themselves - in the past five spins, it landed on red, so if it landed on red that many times already, what's so extraordinary about it landing on red again? The odds of a chain continuing or breaking isn't dependant on the length of the chain, all that matters is whether or not it lands on red or black in the next spin.

[3nascar3fan3]

On 2007-11-27 05:53, zandra117 wrote:
There is a pattern, I use it every time I play roulette and I have taught it to others as well. The spinning wheel works in sequences of 3 spins for the colors, red or black, and 5 spins for the sections, orange, blue, or yellow. This strategy has been 80% accurate when used in the more populated universes.

Color:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.

Sections:
1st spin will try to make the majority of players betting or three or less players win.
2nd spin will try to work against the majority.
3rd spin will try to make the minority of players or no one win.
4th spin appears to be completely random.
5th spin appears to be completely random.
*repeats*

If the spinner lands on zero during the first or third spin it will repeat the spin then continue.
The spinner seems to only have the chance to land on zero if it has the chance to land in the orange or blue section.


Every once in a while this strategy will become desynchronised with the spinner, if this happens take a break from betting, watch the spinner and resynchronise with the pattern.

The best time to place your bet using this strategy is after the 20 second warning.



the thought that the wheel works against the majority is a load of bulls@#!

Sega has nothing to gain from people loosing they can potentially LOSE players when they lose at the casino

Sega has everything to gain from people winning as they will want to play the game


On 2007-11-28 12:43, Carlo210 wrote:
In conclusion, there are two different aspects to roulette - single bets and streaks.


exactlly

like i said before the only garrenteed way to win is by the doubling your bet (Martingale) system but you must have the money to support it and that is alot of money

[stukasa]

On 2007-11-28 16:13, Wallin wrote:
Oh yay, here we go again...

Unless you're saying that the roulette wheel is rigged to only land on a color a certain number of times before it must switch, then streak betting is useless.

If you can't tell me with more than 50% accuracy at any point in a streak of any given length whether or not the next color will be red or black, what is the point of streak betting?

Example:
The roulette wheel lands on red three times... do you wait, or do you bet?
If it happens five times, do you wait, or bet?
Seven times...?
Ten times?

Say the roulette wheel lands on red twenty times... the moment the roulette wheel starts spinning, can you honestly tell me that you are more than 50% confident, that you could get up and grab a soda and come back feeling guaranteed of a win, because you know the wheel will land on black? No, you never know where it's going to land, you're just hoping it will land on the opposite color because it already has so many times before, but since the number of times it landed before have no physical influence on where it will land next, it doesn't matter.

Let's reverse the situation. If you have the confidence to bet against a streak of five red, why are you betting that the chain will break rather than continue? The spins speak for themselves - in the past five spins, it landed on red, so if it landed on red that many times already, what's so extraordinary about it landing on red again? The odds of a chain continuing or breaking isn't dependant on the length of the chain, all that matters is whether or not it lands on red or black in the next spin.


I'm not betting that the next one will be black, I'm betting that *at least one in the next 6 spins* will be black. There's a big difference. All I need is for it to land on black once to come out ahead. Each spin is a 50% chance but the odds of getting at least one black in the next 6 spins are much better than 50%.

I think people get too hung up on the "it's always 50%" thing. Disregard that for a moment and look at what's actually happening on the roulette wheel. It doesn't matter if the odds for each individual spin are 50% because in reality a streak usually doesn't last more than 5-10 spins. Rashiid's 15 in a row is the longest I've ever heard of. Therefore, based on actual results and ignoring the statistics, I can say that if it's been red 5 spins in a row, there is a very good chance it will land on black again soon. Is it a guaranteed strategy? Of course not. There's no magic way to win, it's all about predictions. This is only a way to help predict the outcome. And as I said before, I only need to be right ONCE in the next 6-7 spins to come out ahead. That's not so far-fetched, is it? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-28 16:42, stukasa wrote:
That's not so far-fetched, is it? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Eh, don't mind me, I'm just jaded after being screwed by the roulette wheel so many times, LOL

Tried everything under the sun, I'm about ready to bet on 35 spaces every time. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[KyEmo]

On 2007-11-28 11:07, WhiteKnight01 wrote:
what i do is i bet everything on one 50/50, if i win i bet 1 silver again, if i win again i bet 1 silver, if i lose i stop, worst comes to worst i come out with 1 silver a day, most of the time more, thats what i do and im not too botherd about it, after all its just a game inside a game



Yea, I dont like anything at the casino so I always bet 1 silver on black every day. If I win I do the same, bet 1 silver until I lose.

[Dragwind]

Sorry, there's no trick. It is really random. All you can do is round out your bets to be as safe as possible.

[Carlo210]

On 2007-11-28 16:13, Wallin wrote:

On 2007-11-28 12:43, Carlo210 wrote:
In conclusion, there are two different aspects to roulette - single bets and streaks.


On 2007-11-28 11:34, stukasa wrote:
People always say, "You can't look at past results. The odds of the current bet are always 50/50." I realize that, but to quote myself: "Yet it remains true that the longest streak most people have seen is 10-11. I think Rashiid's the only one who saw a run of 15, and that's extremely rare."

Given a decent amount of money and a bit of luck, I think my idea does constitute an "acceptable risk" (but I haven't tried it yet http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif).

Oh yay, here we go again...

Unless you're saying that the roulette wheel is rigged to only land on a color a certain number of times before it must switch, then streak betting is useless.

If you can't tell me with more than 50% accuracy at any point in a streak of any given length whether or not the next color will be red or black, what is the point of streak betting?

Example:
The roulette wheel lands on red three times... do you wait, or do you bet?
If it happens five times, do you wait, or bet?
Seven times...?
Ten times?

Say the roulette wheel lands on red twenty times... the moment the roulette wheel starts spinning, can you honestly tell me that you are more than 50% confident, that you could get up and grab a soda and come back feeling guaranteed of a win, because you know the wheel will land on black? No, you never know where it's going to land, you're just hoping it will land on the opposite color because it already has so many times before, but since the number of times it landed before have no physical influence on where it will land next, it doesn't matter.

Let's reverse the situation. If you have the confidence to bet against a streak of five red, why are you betting that the chain will break rather than continue? The spins speak for themselves - in the past five spins, it landed on red, so if it landed on red that many times already, what's so extraordinary about it landing on red again? The odds of a chain continuing or breaking isn't dependant on the length of the chain, all that matters is whether or not it lands on red or black in the next spin.


You aren't taking into account the fact that the chance of 50 reds in a row is less than 1 red in a row. This means that 2 reds in a row, 3 reds in a row, and 4 reds in a row are all less likely to occur compared to 1 red in a row.
Betting may appear to be 50/50, but there are, like I said, two aspects to gambling in any game.

In poker, there maybe a good chance that your opponent has a pair of Aces, but he just had a pair of Aces the previous hand, so the chance he has that hand two times in a row is less likely. It sounds weird, but that's how it works. Technically, he has the same chance to have a pair of aces if the deck is aptly shuffled and so forth, but the scenario of having the same random result twice in a row is LESS.

In roulette, the chances of having a red or black streak are higher than getting a streak in poker simply because there are 3 colors, 2 of which are highly likely (black and red, of course).
But no matter how more LIKELY streaks are in roulette compared to poker, the truth is that streaks still have a lower chance of happening the longer the streak is, just like any other game (or thing) in the world. Betting on a 10 red streak has a lower % chance of being successful than a 2 red streak. Period.

However, betting once during that streak has a 50% chance of success. If nine blacks have just been rolled, and you're betting on a black, understand that, while there's a 50% chance black will be rolled, there is NOT a 50% chance that you'll win if you're betting on 10 blacks in a row. There is a 50% chance for 5 blacks to be rolled out of 10 rolls and the chance of having ten blacks in a row isn't as likely. The chance of a streak of 10 blacks is remarkably lower than betting on black once after 9 have been rolled in a row. They aren't the same scenario, even though they may apepar to be. The reason why they seem the same is because you aren't taking total winnings and total % of success into account.

As I said, you also have to take into account that other apparent orders - such as black, red, black, red - or black black black red black black black red - are also unlikely. This is why betting based on streaks is more complicated than you make it out to be. A streak of blacks is the same as a streak of subsequent blacks and reds, or some other sort of visually apparent pattern. This is where math comes in but, in roulette, using math has very little payoff as the % differences on color patterns are all so close together.

If you want to do the math of results and so forth, then go ahead. Otherwise, you should bet while not taking the streak into account because there is never a 50% chance you will win if you try to complete some sort of pattern, sequence, or streak for more than one turn. It's not that convenient.

If you bet on black more than once because they've been winning many turns lately, you're wasting you're time not because black has a lower chance of rolling, but because your fancy and rare pattern, streak, or order has a lower chance of existing.
You will lose much more money when betting for a streak of ten blacks, because it's less probable. However, if you simply bet on red or black, you're chances of winning will be 50%. If there are 9 reds that just rolled and you're betting on red once, then you still have a 50% chance of winning. You aren't betting on 10 reds in a row, but only on red ONCE in a row. Your winnings will be, according to the total odds, higher if you're lucky (This IS gambling, after all. lol).

The chance of being in a situation of 9 reds in a row is less than other situations, but my point is that you didn't bet money on it happening.
You're only betting money on a red or black popping up. You aren't betting on a cluster of results. If you stay on black for more than 10 turns, there's a 50% chance you'll win only 5 times.
Betting on that black appearing 5 times in a row will mean that there's a 50% chance you'll wil 2-3, not all of those 5 times. Understand? There is not a 50% you'll get 5 in a row. Never. If you make 10 bets on one color, there is NOT a 50% chance you'll win all of those 10 bets. When you try to bet on streaks, patterns, or orders, you need math to play in your odds and a huge amount of luck to make incremental changes in % chances worthwhile.

Which is why I condone betting randomly or doing whatever the heck you want, because you cannot increase or decrease your odds with roulette based on a blind assumption that black will have a streak, or black's streak will end after 5. You can determine the most probable result, but the differences in chances are so minute that there's not much of a point.
Also, betting once during a streak is fine, but betting on an ENTIRE STREAK will, 50% of the time, leave you half as successful as you wanted to be. Trying to bet based on streaks needs math and so forth to slightly increase the odds that you'll get a payout, but it's largely a load of crap. Poker is a much more effective game to play when you study it and know the %chances inside and out.


NOTE: Of course, when I say 50%, I mean 47%-ish due to Green 0.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2007-11-28 18:18 ]</font>