IS THIS REAL???

[Vantamiath]

ok, I dont know if I live a sheltered life or not...but what I have seen has scarred me for life. I dont know if this stuff is "acted" or how this is done...but it's been eating away at me mentally for some time.

After an Incubus concert my brothers friend came across a website that I would never think legal. (I know their is alot of illegal sites) I think the link was (...) or (...) but there was a skit they said I was to young to see...I wanted to see it...

Somewhere on this site(s) is the most revolting thing I've seen in my life. It shows two english guys in black suits put a guys' head on a rock..he's laying down...

The skit is maybe 10 secs long, but it shows the two guys put a jack knife in his neck and literally decapitate him. I dont know WHY i wanted to watch this clip...perhaps I felt like a man...I dont know. I decided to watch it again...just to see if i could find a way to call it fake...

IS THERE MORE CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE INTERENT??? (porn is childs play to this crap)
I'm seriously with that preacher now...
"The Internet is the Devo!"

My bro says it has footage of people falling from the WTC hitting the ground. (Is there a way to tell someone to shut this site down?)

Im gonna go throw up now...again. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_barf.gif

[Don't link to what you're referring to.]

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[Raist]

On 2003-01-09 19:03, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
IS THERE MORE CRAP LIKE THIS ON THE INTERENT??? (porn is childs play to this crap)
I'm seriously with that preacher now...
"The Internet is the Devo!"

Its not the internet it is the sick shit that people put on it that gives it a bad name. I went to rotten.com once, saw one picture, i will never go back...

[Dangerous55]

Ive seen crap like that before, I really doubt its true. I know what you mean about watching them, I wanted to look at the stuff over and over but didnt want to.

[_xX_Frosty_Xx_]

On (...), I've seen a man eating a baby. It was so horrible......



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[Vantamiath]

I mean we watched it like 8 times...we thought his hair color was different when they "fast forwarded" (obviously it would take awhile to saw through the bone) but other then that I couldnt see a difference if it was real/fake.

I mean it SHOWS the knife go in his throat...I dont know how you fake that.

[Kent]

You'd be surprised what kinds of things people can and will do with computers.

I've seen the video in question, and if it's fake, somebody was really good with editing that thing frame-by-frame, and spent a long time doing it.

If it's real, I believe that kind of thing is illegal in America... snuff films I believe they're called...

[Mazarin]

Dammit.

I remember seeing the video in question(if it's the one I'm thinking of, was it in black and white?) in my fledgling years of being on the internet 5 or 6 years ago, and it forever huanted me. The sounds, the way it looked, it all just creeped me out. I haven't thought about it for a while, but now thanks to you, I'm disturbed once again(for real this time) Reguardless if it's real or not, it's truly sick.

[Abaddon]

Yeah snuff films are the nickname for it (i learnt that from Hellsing)

im curious to see what it really is, but ive learned from the past that curiousity is not always rewarded so i will ignore it.

[Vantamiath]

I'm sure it's still at the link I put up...I watched it at my bros (broadband) so I havent gone to that site since.

If you got balls...go for it.

[gunome]

i saw a film might be the same one, a soldier with a boot on his head on a rock and they dont decapitate him tho, his throat is ripped out by a huge knife and theres this gurgling noise. it looks real to me, and it disturbed for awhile. theres alot of stuff like that on (...) and (...) .

[Don't link to this type of material.]

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[Ness]

There is alot of horrible stuff on the internet, but I don't think that sites should be taken down just because they have something that YOU think is offensive. The internet should not be run by subjective opinions. If people want to show movies of people blowing themselves up then we shouldn't be able to stop no matter how much we hate it.

Don't get me wrong the stuff you are descibing is some pretty sick shit and I hope that me, you, or anyone else here never see anthing like that again.

[Vantamiath]

Ness--the people who watch crap like that (and like to) are some of the people who go crazy and commit crimes/murders.

Have you seen some of the shit on these?

[SorceressofTime]

oh ive heard about those f*cked up movies as well, and been on (...) (well, not me but my brother's; i happened to be there at the time).

it traumatized my best friend's friend by watching a guy being interrogated by terrorists and one of the terrorists shot him in the head. leaving his head bouncing off the table and blood spraying everywhere - i was told about this. O.O

[Don't give out the sites.]

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[Ness]

On 2003-01-10 16:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Ness--the people who watch crap like that (and like to) are some of the people who go crazy and commit crimes/murders.

Have you seen some of the shit on these?



Yes I have and like I said, I didn't like it, but we can't spoil it for the ones that do.

[Blenjar]

On 2003-01-09 19:13, _xX_Frosty_Xx_ wrote:
On (...), I've seen a man eating a baby. It was so horrible......


That crap man..shit.

I was thinking of going to(...) but nah, I don't want to eat my self. I already have a problems.



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[Raist]

On 2003-01-11 16:06, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-10 16:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Ness--the people who watch crap like that (and like to) are some of the people who go crazy and commit crimes/murders.

Have you seen some of the shit on these?



Yes I have and like I said, I didn't like it, but we can't spoil it for the ones that do.


In everything you have to draw a line somewhere, broadcasting murder on the internet shouldn't be covered by free speech IMO. But then comes the part about who draws the line, which sucks cause no one could agree on that.

[Ashram]

Watch faces of death.

[Zellius]

Okay, reading this thread, i'm utterly disgusted. When someone talked about rotton' it brought back an old memory. a couple years ago i was checking around the internet for final fantasy stuff (hey, it owns http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif) but i came across 'rotton' on this faulty link (who would set a link to something nasty entitled with final fantasy news?). And it was a picture of a mutilated child's head sitting next to a railroad track... a couple feet away from the child's body. This freaked me out so much. i never saw anything like this anywhere and i couldnt believe what i saw. Now, hearing about a video of a person getting his head cut off scares the living shit out of me. Who the hell are these sick people?

[Blenjar]

YAy dare devil coming out feb 11 or something!!! let's celebrate!

[Vantamiath]

On 2003-01-10 15:33, gunome wrote:
i saw a film might be the same one, a soldier with a boot on his head on a rock and they dont decapitate him tho, his throat is ripped out by a huge knife and theres this gurgling noise. it looks real to me, and it disturbed for awhile.
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That's the one. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_barf.gif

[BizzaBizza]

on splinter cell, nickolaze was going to broadcast the excecution of american soldiers in an undisclosed location. i, sam fisher, stopped it from happening

[Vantamiath]

That's good to hear!

[deathsshadow]

wow im happy ive never seen this shit... wow when i read some of your posts i got that funky feeling in my gut.... ughhhhhhh
wow some people have really big problems...

[Ness]

On 2003-01-11 17:38, Raist wrote:


On 2003-01-11 16:06, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-10 16:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Ness--the people who watch crap like that (and like to) are some of the people who go crazy and commit crimes/murders.

Have you seen some of the shit on these?



Yes I have and like I said, I didn't like it, but we can't spoil it for the ones that do.


In everything you have to draw a line somewhere, broadcasting murder on the internet shouldn't be covered by free speech IMO. But then comes the part about who draws the line, which sucks cause no one could agree on that.



Then why try to draw the line at all? Why not just let it be?

[Raist]

On 2003-01-14 03:37, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-11 17:38, Raist wrote:


On 2003-01-11 16:06, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-10 16:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Ness--the people who watch crap like that (and like to) are some of the people who go crazy and commit crimes/murders.

Have you seen some of the shit on these?



Yes I have and like I said, I didn't like it, but we can't spoil it for the ones that do.


In everything you have to draw a line somewhere, broadcasting murder on the internet shouldn't be covered by free speech IMO. But then comes the part about who draws the line, which sucks cause no one could agree on that.



Then why try to draw the line at all? Why not just let it be?


kids see that shit, get desensitezed, and we end up with lil' kids like you who advocate the shit. The line has obviously been crossed when you look online and sadly nothing will be done about it, so more power to ya.

[Kent]

On 2003-01-14 08:22, Raist wrote:


On 2003-01-14 03:37, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-11 17:38, Raist wrote:


On 2003-01-11 16:06, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-10 16:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Ness--the people who watch crap like that (and like to) are some of the people who go crazy and commit crimes/murders.

Have you seen some of the shit on these?



Yes I have and like I said, I didn't like it, but we can't spoil it for the ones that do.


In everything you have to draw a line somewhere, broadcasting murder on the internet shouldn't be covered by free speech IMO. But then comes the part about who draws the line, which sucks cause no one could agree on that.



Then why try to draw the line at all? Why not just let it be?


kids see that shit, get desensitezed, and we end up with lil' kids like you who advocate the shit. The line has obviously been crossed when you look online and sadly nothing will be done about it, so more power to ya.



Right, the fragile, developing mind of a child can be not only emotionally scarred by seeing something like this, but can also have their actions later in life be influenced by it.

If every one out of every three people in America was exposed to things like this during their childhood and didn't have the willpower to hold himself against it, America's population could be drastically reduced, and those people that weren't exposed to this kind of thing would most likely fall victim first, meaning even less intelligent, productive adults in our world (not to mention it would throw our economy in the crapper). And nary does a wise parent want their child(ren) to be a cold-blooded killer in the future. This kind of thing is kept illegal to prevent that and maintain relative good in society.

The owners of sites that have this kind of realistic material, fake or not, should NOT be protected by the Freedom of Information, Concept, Speech, etc. Acts, and should be arrested themselves for having it available freely (not in a monetary way) to anyone who finds it and have the site removed immediately.

And to anyone bringing up a game/movie-based arguement: No game or (Theatrical) movie would have graphic blood and gore on this level, and the ESRB and MPAA rating systems are there to tell parents/guardians what kind of content to expect in the game.

[Ashram]

You guys crack me up.

[Vantamiath]

Well arent authoritys aware about these sites? I mean these sites; like it or not, are actually pretty popular, and it boggles me that they havent done something about these--fake or not.

I mean the CIA shut down the RATM forums because a kid's username was "kill Bush dead"...and to me thats veeery mild compared to the garbage on these...

[TedEdFred]

I've seen this movie. Snapple seemed to think it was real. But I think it's fake, I don't think you could kill someone and cut their head off so easily.

[Vantamiath]

Well if you notice they "fast forward."

The guys eyes are rolled back and his hair is pure red...it's hard to tell if the decapitated head is real...

[BlackRose]

it's wierd how stuff like this freaks the s**t out of people, but then they keep watching it over and over.

I guess that's why those "reality TV" shows are so popular...

[TedEdFred]

From what I remember, the guy kind of "bursts open" which is unrealistic. But it's been awhile since I saw it.

[Vantamiath]

If by bursts open you mean he gets a jack-knife through the throat, then yeah, bursts open is a good analogy. O_o

[Guntz348]

Half of that stuff is fake guys. Well really more then half of it is fake. I can make a video of me blowing a guys brains out and it will look real. All I need is a starters pistol, some corn syrup, hamburg meat, a bag, some gun powder and a wig. Shoot it at the right angles with the right lighting and it looks totally real. But I do have to say this much dont try to make squibs unless you know what your doing. I've used body squibs but I don't wanna do the head shot simply because I don't wanna really hurt my "victim". But really 90% of its fake as hell or taken outta cheasy B-Movies that only me and probably 20 other people saw because they are just that bad of movies.

[Vantamiath]

Here it is ness...just thought I would bring it back.

[Eden]

I think I've seen this video. (...) has sick videos like that

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[Guile]

Human nature is sick..its just people putting it on camera, then on a computer...

[Vantamiath]

On 2003-01-23 19:20, Guile wrote:
Human nature is sick..its just people putting it on camera, then on a computer...



I guess you got a point. But I dont know whats worse, them filming actual events, or creating them just because they're twisted.

[SorceressofTime]

On 2003-01-23 20:02, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:


On 2003-01-23 19:20, Guile wrote:
Human nature is sick..its just people putting it on camera, then on a computer...



I guess you got a point. But I dont know whats worse, them filming actual events, or creating them just because they're twisted.



i think that people even thinking about those kind of stuff is sickening.

[Mike]

Have you guys seen the one with the kittens?
People are one thing, really, cause we kill ourselves all the time, stupidly or not, but kittens... All they can do is mew, look cute and use the bathroom. Not really fair.

[KaevarkAran]

ba! god, not again! why did i read this.....

o well, may as well tell you one of the few i saw when i was posesed by Satan.

news station. guy. guy with lunch bag. guy pulls gun out of lunch bag. puts gun in mouth. pulls trigger.

yeah, it was true, it was on a local news station :-.

[Vantamiath]

You mean you saw it LIVE on the news?

[Ness]

kids see that shit, get desensitezed, and we end up with lil' kids like you who advocate the shit. The line has obviously been crossed when you look online and sadly nothing will be done about it, so more power to ya.



I don't advocate it. You are right little kids that see violence can be affected by it, but not always in a negative way. When I was 5 or 6 I saw a movie with a lady getting her eyes poked out and that changed me for life. From that day on I decided to never hurt anyone with a weapon.

As for the older children that have developed more to where TV doesn't affect them that much, it is justed used as a scapegoat. Some kids are just messed up from the momment they are born, or it's bad parenting that made them the way they are.

[Ness]

On 2003-01-14 15:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Well arent authoritys aware about these sites? I mean these sites; like it or not, are actually pretty popular, and it boggles me that they havent done something about these--fake or not.

I mean the CIA shut down the RATM forums because a kid's username was "kill Bush dead"...and to me thats veeery mild compared to the garbage on these...



I doubt the CIA really did that. Not only would that interfere with the rights of free speech, but would also effect tons of innocient bystanders.

[Raist]

On 2003-01-26 08:03, Ness wrote:



kids see that shit, get desensitezed, and we end up with lil' kids like you who advocate the shit. The line has obviously been crossed when you look online and sadly nothing will be done about it, so more power to ya.



I don't advocate it. You are right little kids that see violence can be affected by it, but not always in a negative way. When I was 5 or 6 I saw a movie with a lady getting her eyes poked out and that changed me for life. From that day on I decided to never hurt anyone with a weapon.

As for the older children that have developed more to where TV doesn't affect them that much, it is justed used as a scapegoat. Some kids are just messed up from the momment they are born, or it's bad parenting that made them the way they are.


Advocate it, defend it, whatever, you said nothing should be done about it, whatever verb you would like to use is fine. More often then not the effect is negative on a sub-concious(sp?) or concious(sp?) level. I agree, violence on TV is too often used as a scape goat, but we're not talking about the little kiddy stuff than can be televised, we're talking about the horrible things that can be seen at places like rotten and ogerish, that type of shit should never be seen by anyone.

[Ness]

On 2003-01-26 08:45, Raist wrote:



Advocate it, defend it, whatever, you said nothing should be done about it, whatever verb you would like to use is fine. More often then not the effect is negative on a sub-concious(sp?) or concious(sp?) level. I agree, violence on TV is too often used as a scape goat, but we're not talking about the little kiddy stuff than can be televised, we're talking about the horrible things that can be seen at places like rotten and ogerish, that type of shit should never be seen by anyone.



I agree that there is some horrible shit out there; Rotten.com being some of the worst stuff I've seen, but to say that it shouldn't be seen by anyoneis a subjective statement. There are people out there that like looking at other people getting mauled and shit, but to ban all those site just because a few people like you and me get their feeling hurt would enfringe on our rights. For this reason I doubt laws will be passed, but if they will allow international lawsuits and let people goto jail because someone thought their site was offensive, then anything is possible.

[RedFox]

hmm... reminds me of the film "8mm"

i dont think that sort of snuff is genuine... i mean its not like people kill each other simply to get a kick out of posting it on the net...

think about it... posting the evidence of a murder that you've just commited on the internet has to be THE stupidest idea in the world!

but then then there are some sad sick people on this planet which need beating about the head with blunt objects...

[Vantamiath]

it baffles me authorities havent closed sites down like this...

[Alisha]

my first time checking offtopic in months and i see this O_o

[Vantamiath]

On 2003-01-27 20:37, Alisha wrote:
my first time checking offtopic in months and i see this O_o



Imagine how I felt when I actually SAW this after an Incubus concert.

[angelzeero]

tnx a lot to pixel and others for editing the URLs.
don't visit these sites guys, even out of curiosity...

its a simple law of supply and demand.
more visits, more crap...

[Eden]

Why would the authorities close it down? It's not really illegal in any way...well of course murder is illegal, but people hosting the videos didn't commit those murders....or did they o_O

pixelate : sorry you had to edit that link, I wasn't sure if it was allowed or not

[pixelate]

No biggie with the URL's. Need to keep things PG-13.

[Eden]

What about the URL in my sig? (Click on iteven if you did already, click on it again because i changed it)

Do you think someone could get mad over it? Or is it cool



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[Raist]

On 2003-01-26 12:35, Ness wrote:


On 2003-01-26 08:45, Raist wrote:



Advocate it, defend it, whatever, you said nothing should be done about it, whatever verb you would like to use is fine. More often then not the effect is negative on a sub-concious(sp?) or concious(sp?) level. I agree, violence on TV is too often used as a scape goat, but we're not talking about the little kiddy stuff than can be televised, we're talking about the horrible things that can be seen at places like rotten and ogerish, that type of shit should never be seen by anyone.



I agree that there is some horrible shit out there; Rotten.com being some of the worst stuff I've seen, but to say that it shouldn't be seen by anyoneis a subjective statement. There are people out there that like looking at other people getting mauled and shit, but to ban all those site just because a few people like you and me get their feeling hurt would enfringe on our rights. For this reason I doubt laws will be passed, but if they will allow international lawsuits and let people goto jail because someone thought their site was offensive, then anything is possible.


Meh, I wont feel any pitty for someone who gets off on seeing a baby get eatin' or watching people fall from the World Trade Center. If there beloved sites got taken away maybe they'd find a more acceptable interest.

[Vantamiath]

Agreed. I mean what GOOD do these do for ANYONE?