HD DVD loses Warner Bros.

[Sexy_Raine]

As confirmed by this article:

http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13512_1-9841056-23.html

Confirmed from CES 2008. Starting June 2008, Warner Bros. will no longer support HD DVD, and all of it's movies will be made in Blue-Ray only.

It seems both formats are paying to gain exclusive rights to certain companies. Consumers will suffer, and may be forced to buy both formats.

Any thoughts on this?

[Jife_Jifremok]

Looks like Blu-Ray's gonna win the war. I just hope it becomes affordable by the time DVD sits next to VHS in the retirement home.

[SubstanceD]

On 2008-01-10 00:55, Sexy_Raine wrote:
As confirmed by this article:

http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13512_1-9841056-23.html

Confirmed from CES 2008. Starting June 2008, Warner Bros. will no longer support HD DVD, and all of it's movies will be made in Blue-Ray only.

It seems both formats are paying to gain exclusive rights to certain companies. Consumers will suffer, and may be forced to buy both formats.

Any thoughts on this?



It was inevitable that Sony's Blue-ray would eventually surpass Toshiba's HD DVD. The PS3 was always supposed to be a trojan horse for Sony's Blue-Ray format. PS3 sales were under-whelming up untill recently but now that the 40 GB PS3 is now available more and more people are going to be buying a PS3 in the near future. These people will be alot more likely to chose Blue-ray over HD DVD as next gen dvd format.

[Eihwaz]

For the longest while, I thought (somewhat naively, in retrospect) that HD-DVD would overpower Blu-Ray, but I recently did some research that confirmed that not only was Blu-Ray technically superior to HD-DVD, but was also outselling HD-DVD two to one.

This seems to correspond with my own findings. I'm extremely reluctant to jump into the HD realm until the format war is more settled that is is currently, if not solved overall. I'd rather not buy a bunch of expensive equipment for a specific format, only to have it become the next Betamax. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[amtalx]

Don't give technological superiority too much weight. There are many more factors. After all, Betamax was technologically superior to VHS, but VHS won. The war isn't quite over yet. Both HD formats have such little penetration that I'm not ready to call it. However, if Toshiba doesn't do something fast, they are going to have a format with no studios attached to it.

[Eihwaz]

I am aware that Betamax is technologically superior to VHS. My point was that I don't want to buy into either format (regardless of whether or not it is technically superior) when either could lose major support.

[ShinMaruku]

On 2008-01-10 00:55, Sexy_Raine wrote:
As confirmed by this article:

http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13512_1-9841056-23.html

Confirmed from CES 2008. Starting June 2008, Warner Bros. will no longer support HD DVD, and all of it's movies will be made in Blue-Ray only.

It seems both formats are paying to gain exclusive rights to certain companies. Consumers will suffer, and may be forced to buy both formats.

Any thoughts on this?


As long as this war continues the consumer will suffer but this is good because it made another company look at a clause to make them follow WB incase WB decided to jump on that horse. If that happens the war is well done and over.
Blu-ray had the thing iof it had much bigger support than HD-DVD had from the beginning, the sales just point to that.

[Getintothegame]

Heh, I'm already saving up to get a PS3, if only for the Blu-Ray player itself.

I'm super pumped.

[Firocket1690]

I'm still not into HD. In my room, I have a hitachi tv that's older than me, playing an N64 from eleven years ago. And it's pretty damned awesome. As for the .. modern consumer, who this will affect, I still hope HDDVD will win. It's historically impossible for Sony's obscurity to come out top.

[ShinMaruku]

People though PS and PS2 were shit. Please.
You do know that the industry uses Betamax?
Then agaiun you still got N64 runnin.. Your loss.

Got a Bravia 46 inch all in 1080p baby! All that Blu-ray shit works!

[Wyndham]

I don't really need either.
I'm using a regular 27 inch tv for my 360, Wii, PS2, Genesis, and N64. If I had to choose, I'd ratherr have HDDVD win, but It will probably lose.

[ShinMaruku]

I bet if Sony was not behind it you lot would be for Blu-ray.. All companies are just like those gits...

[Wyndham]

well, I don't like sony because almost all my sony machines have died on me within 2 or 3 years. do you see why I don't like Sony?

[Getintothegame]

On 2008-01-10 11:42, Firocket1690 wrote:
I'm still not into HD. In my room, I have a hitachi tv that's older than me, playing an N64 from eleven years ago. And it's pretty damned awesome. As for the .. modern consumer, who this will affect, I still hope HDDVD will win. It's historically impossible for Sony's obscurity to come out top.



Well, the thing is that Blu-Ray have some DRM issues... let's try to explain this in a way that makes sense. Remember when Sony had added rootkits to CDs to prevent ripping on computers? Well, apparently, Blu-Ray has features to check to make sure the player is not tampered with, and if it is, can disable the player.

--> Better (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Digital_rights_management_.28DRM.29) <--

[Sinue_v2]

The thing with the Betamax vs VHS war, was that what really pushed VHS was the porn industry who adopted it as their standard. Pornography in the home was a new thing, and everybody was jumping on the bandwagon. As more and more people bought VHS players, the studios backed it. Also, it had a longer recording time in early models, which made it easier to put a 2-hour movie (or more) on a single VHS.

This time around it's different. The porn industry, even if they back HD-DVD, are not going to be the heavyweight they once were due to the rampant availability of free porno online. It used to be that you couldn't find a videostore without a 18+ back room... but now, the biggest retail rental chain is BlockBuster who doesn't even carry a porno selection. There's no need. Further, Blu-Ray has the edge on space. While they're currently more expensive than HD-DVD to produce, that price will be coming down.

And to a digree, I think you have to thank the stupids of the world as well. You'd be surprised how many people will see the "HD-DVD" label and pass it off as an "incremental" upgrade - whereas thinking that Blu-Ray is some new next-generation leap. Even after seeing the two side by side.

The sad thing is, by the time the "war" is settled - we'll have a new commercially viable disk media like Holographic Vercitile Disks which are capable of storing information somewhere in the range of 3.9 terabytes. Whether or not those will make an impact outside of the PC market is yet to be seen - since currently both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are capable of pushing current HD technology to it's limits. We're just now starting to switch to an HD standard, and the next improvement in television quality which could show off these new media formats isn't likely to come before the end of their viability.

[ShinMaruku]

On 2008-01-10 12:04, Wyndham wrote:
well, I don't like sony because almost all my sony machines have died on me within 2 or 3 years. do you see why I don't like Sony?



How about those guys I know who lost 3-7 360 in a year? :E
PS3 don't break unlike the other two did (Mine are fine and others are fine) But that PS3 is a goddamn tank I'd dare say more sturdy than Nintendo's shit (Which is practiacally indestructible
:E

[Wyndham]

my 360 has given me cno troubles. I guess I'm lucky in that regard.

[Getintothegame]

You are. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif Between my play 360 and psowcam 360, I've gone through 5. It's a little much. :/

I was thinking about your post, Sinue. I think that if there was a clear 'winner' in the format war, it could help bring back video rental stores. If I recall correctly, it was the price that drove people away from actually buying the VHS or DVD - instead they would have to rent them. Even now, both Blu-Ray and HD DVD are quite expensive when compared to DVD releases now days.

The only problem for the rental stores (well, heck, I guess this applies to anyone who has invested in one format over the other) is that if they spend x amount of money on one format over the other, and that format fails, they have just suffered a sizable loss...

Just a thought.

[Kylie]

It feels like DVD had a short run, but whatever. I guess I'll go whatever's convenient.

[DizzyDi]

Jesus everything is being called a war these day, huh?

[Kylie]

On 2008-01-10 13:10, DizzyDi wrote:
Jesus everything is being called a war these day, huh?


Yeah, people are dramatic and need extremes.

[UnderscoreX]

The Five Stages of the Grief
Grief can occur as the result of a number of different events – someone we know dies, a relationship ends, we lose a pet, we have to give up a long held goal in our life, or any other number of situations. But there is one common denominator in all of these events, and that is loss. Grief is a process of physical, emotional, social, and cognitive reactions to loss. The grieving process is often a hard one to work through. It requires patience with ourselves and with others. Although responses to loss are as diverse as the people experiencing it, patterns or stages that are commonly experienced have emerged. These stages were identified and named by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross. Knowing these five stages can sometimes help in coping with the process of grief and recognizing that there is light at the end of the tunnel. It should be noted that although most people experience all of the following stages, they do not experience them with the same duration, or in the same order, or with the same intensity. It is a very unique process.

Denial
Denial is generally the first stage in the grief process. It can be experienced as numbness or avoidance or isolation or direct denial. It is a stage in which we just cannot believe that the loss is true. We may tell ourselves that it did not really happen. It does not seem real.

Anger
Another stage of grief is anger. At this point, we have gotten past some or all of the denial, but now we are angry about the loss. We may want to take it out on something or someone, or we may just express our anger in ways that are familiar to us.

Bargaining
In the bargaining stage, we are trying to come up with ways to get back what we lost or just find someone or something to blame. Common thoughts include "If only I had just …." or "I wish we could have…." or "Maybe if I do this…." In the case of a lost relationship, we might actually bargain with the person we lost in an effort to get them back. "If I change my behavior, will you come back?"

Depression
The depression stage is just as it sounds, a time of sadness. It generally follows denial, anger, and bargaining when we feel helpless and hopeless to stop the loss. It may include crying, withdrawal, or any other way that expresses sadness.

Acceptance
The final stage is acceptance. Most often we have gone through all of the above stages and in many cases cycled through the above stages more than once before getting to acceptance. At this stage, we have (to some extent) reorganized ourselves and our thinking to incorporate the loss. This does not mean that we no longer get sad about the loss from time to time, but the sadness is now a part of us and does not keep us from functioning normally most of the time. Over time, the intensity of the sadness generally diminishes, but may never entirely go away.

Armed with the knowledge of these five stages, we can now better understand ourselves and others who are going through the grief process.

[Getintothegame]

On 2008-01-10 13:32, Lorelei wrote:

On 2008-01-10 13:10, DizzyDi wrote:
Jesus everything is being called a war these day, huh?


Yeah, people are dramatic and need extremes.



I know what you mean. I just go with what other people call it, I guess. Think 'The War on Drugs', 'War on Terror', etc.

[ShinMaruku]

On 2008-01-10 13:10, DizzyDi wrote:
Jesus everything is being called a war these day, huh?


Ignore them captain, let not their ideas lead others to ruin.
They know not what they do.

[amtalx]

On 2008-01-10 13:10, DizzyDi wrote:
Jesus everything is being called a war these day, huh?



Don't you know the W in PSOW stands for war?


On 2008-01-10 11:46, ShinMaruku wrote:
People though PS and PS2 were shit. Please.
You do know that the industry uses Betamax?
Then agaiun you still got N64 runnin.. Your loss.

Got a Bravia 46 inch all in 1080p baby! All that Blu-ray shit works!



The PS was one of the best planned and executed console releases ever.
People still back shit up to tape drives...whats your point?
N64 sucked http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I have a buddy with a Sony XBR. That thing eats babies to power itself.

[Monochrome]

If Blu-Ray wins and HDDVD goes away, I just hope they STOP making the dvd boxes blue. *Hoping against hope*

I dunno why, the color just bothers me.

[amtalx]

Blak-ray?

[Blitzkommando]

DRM is bad for the consumer. Thus Blu-Ray is the worse choice for the informed consumer. Regional coding is a retarded concept as well.

[Sharkyland]

Since there won't be a competitor for Blu Ray Discs, would the price of Blu Ray Discs get higher if HD DVD is taken out of the picture before the next gen form of entertainment comes? I might be thinking too far ahead, though as how Moore's Law goes... hmm. I say it's going to be short lived.

[Sord]

All I care for is a price decrease on either side. If they have to stay competitive for that to happen, then by all means I hope it doesn't end soon. If one becoming the dominant media will drop the price, then I want them to hurry the hell up and do it. Like Eihwaz, I really don't want to buy into either right now. I don't NEED it, I can live without until price drops and/or there's a dominant format.

[SubstanceD]

On 2008-01-10 19:37, Sharkyland wrote:
Since there won't be a competitor for Blu Ray Discs, would the price of Blu Ray Discs get higher if HD DVD is taken out of the picture before the next gen form of entertainment comes? I might be thinking too far ahead, though as how Moore's Law goes... hmm. I say it's going to be short lived.



Even if Blue-ray defeated HD DVD it still has to compete with DVD's. Upgarding to high def isn't cheap. First you need a player, then you need a high def tv, then you need high def discs. Alot of people havn't jumped on the High Def bandwagon because they don't kow who to back, HD DVD or Blue Ray. The rest of us are waiting for prices to fall. HD DVD discs and Blue-ray discs cost signifficantly more than thier DVD counterparts. I don't know about you guys but for the moment, normal DVD discs suit all my needs. I won't to go high def because I am technology whore but I don't really need to go high def at all.