ult. mode-in need of a little more help

[raikomaru40]

does anyone know a good level to be at to go into the various areas in ultimate mode? keep in mind i need level suggestions for ver.2!

[Saffran]

Look, it's mostly NOT a level problem.
For instance, if you can find a good Red Handgun in the Forest, with, say, 40% to AB or M, it will be much easier to clear the subsequent areas. You will just need enough HP to survive the attacks of the ennemies.
That said, the levels I had for my chars were:
Ult Forest started around level 50
Ult Caves started around level 65
Ult Mines started around level 75
Ult Ruins started at level 94 (I only got there with one character on Ver2, then life happened, then BB came around...)
I cleared Ult for the first time at level 112? but had an imperial pick with like 20% hit and 45% dark which made the trip quite easy. DF got all my scapedolls (I had about 12).

[sCI]

How did you get into Ult at lvl 50 on DC?! That is amazing! Ult mines at lvl 75, that is ridiculous, how do you survive?

[raikomaru40]

that doesn't seem possible...i'm lvl 85 and i can barely go through the forest w/out stat techs. are you sure it's ver.2 , not ver.3?

[DC_PLAYER]

depends on the char and the % in these.
ultimate mines seemed impossible either i was lvl 120 or lvl 200, % red handgun made things done.
also, if techs do damage, then any difficulty can be done at any level, like using 100000 rafoies to beat ultimate mines.

do forest, since you will be doing it quite often, % good weapons can be found, if not, repeat.
also.... http://www.ragol.co.uk/guides/EEyuuVVFZpFwGlTGuf.shtml



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: DC_PLAYER on 2008-01-15 07:09 ]</font>

[sCI]

Weapons are great and all, but if you don't have the stats or health to do it, than it is useless... not to mention, oh sure, maybe he did clear "Ult for the first time at level 112" on his DC, but it must have taken him, oh, I dont know, 6 hours to get through ULt ruins ALONE. You have to fight a Boss to beat the game right?, well, there is no way virtually possible that he could get passed Dark Falz just because at that level, you don't have enough health or ATA or ATP to be able to take or give any sort of "high level" damage, so if by chance he did somehow get to Falz, he most likely would have died way too many times, and the fight itself would take an hour. So i have my doubts about his story, even with high percentage weapons.


Oh, and about lvls, In my opinion, i would say in order to easily go through caves, about lvl 120(all of these suggestions are made by a person who plays a HUmar by the way), for mines, at least lvl 130-130, depending on weapon, and as for ruins, well, my Bro is at lvl 126(how many times have i said this???), and i have no clue why or how he got to ruins, but he did, but it must not have been for necesity, rather that pure will and achievenemt factor, so even though you may be able to get in ruins at lvl 120 or so, i wouldn't try to succesfully get throughnit until lvl 138-143, remember, the gran scorcerers alone to around or over 1000 damage from their Grants, that is what kept my Bro's char out until he had just enough health, to where grants would leave him about 3 health, enough to survive, good luck!!!


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[raikomaru40]

exactly! oh, and yea, i'm a humar too.




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: raikomaru40 on 2008-01-15 09:32 ]</font>

[Saffran]

SCI, you are correct assuming it took me a very long time to get through ruins, but I really did this.
Note that these are the levels I started the dungeons with - I needed to get over 700HP (or was it 770?) to clear Vol Opt, because at the time I didn't know how to evade the green light attack.
I cleared mines very often but just never could get to beating the boss for a long time because of low HP.
I remember doing VH "from the depths" and just eating HP mats (unlimited mats in V2) and whatnots.

I have a note where I used to compile the infos on the game as I progressed.
Here an extract:
"Ult run 330k exp 7h? without DF
Humar lv 112
HP 824 Att 728(889) Men 454(611) ATA 154(161)
TP 565 Def 350(454) Eva 532(587) Luc 50(100)"

Further from my Exp charts:
(highlighted) lv 121 345xxx <- HP 944 so DF no prob (no scapes)

Also I have a livejournal entry about it (in german) but I didn't note down my level in it, only the equips and how it went.

As of how I played, I used magic when my weapons didn't do any useful damage. Which involved like 33 uses of Grants per Gilchic or so...
Apparently, my Fonewearl is level 105 and she can go to DF but not survive it. I have Razonde lv30 on her.
I should hook up my DC again...

[Saffran]

I hooked up my DC and my chars are all a bit higher now - I guess I must have played on and off between rounds of Ikaruga back then.
Something puzzles me though, the imperial pick has a requisite of like 960ATP on DC, so actually back then my Humar could not have equiped it, right?
The LJ entry does mention the Pick so I must have used it though. It also mentions that the chop one-hit-killed me, so I must have cleared it before lv 121.
As I can't see any stats written down in between, I assume I noted the lv 112 stats down because I cleared Ult at that level.
EDIT:
Here it is: (taken straight out the note)
Humar cleared
Normal lv22
Hard lv 43
Very Hard lv54
Ult lv116
naked 872/583/778/392/468/155/570/72
MAG +270ATP!!!!
(equip breakdown)
194h59min lol

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Saffran on 2008-01-15 16:39 ]</font>

[raikomaru40]

wow. okay then.

[DC_PLAYER]

nice, i beated normal at 29, hard at 50 maybe, vhard at 70 maybe and ultimate at lvl 135 (the only time i found a decent % weapon)

and grants being used 33 times just to kill 1 enemy, i loled, my first mines enemy was defeated after wasting my entire tp on a lvl 15 megid cast, killed 1 after 3 or 4 casts, after that i didn't kill any......no matter how many times i would cast it

[raikomaru40]

i beat them all at about the same lvl as DC_PLAYER (excluding ult)

[sCI]

well, seems like a few of you are a bit ahaed of me, ha, my beatings are the same except for VH, which is now 88, and as for ULT, well, we'll find out, but ....