Little sister.

[Tessu]

This is a bit of a rant/concern/what can I do? type of thing.

Okay. I have an 11 year old sister. She's in the fifth grade right now. I'll call her Ali...

tl;dr: My little sister is very unrestrained and undisciplined. I worry about her. I don't know what I can do or if there is anything to do. Halp?

She used to be a really nice young girl. She would never hurt peoples' feelings and she was really understanding an rational. We never really got along because our interests clashed, but she used to be manageable. But now...

She's grown up... and kinda been raised by the media. She has very, very few restrictions. Let's see, where do I start?

Movies. My dad will buy her any movie she asks for. It could be rated R, it could be rated NC-17, it could be unrated, it doesn't matter. She'll ask him for it, she'll BEG him for it, and he buys it for her. He says no to me all the time (not comparing--I'm not going to go into the whole jealousy thing) but whenever it's her asking for something, he just can't say no. One movie he recently rented for her was Good Luck Chuck, for her and her friend to watch. I believe it was the unrated version. When they were buying it, the guy working at the desk said "I'M not even old enough to watch this movie..."
That night she was watching it, whenever I would pass by the living room, it looked like she was watching a porno. : I went in there once and said, "What are you WATCHING?" but she was like, LEAVE IT ON LEAVE IT ON LEAVE IT ON. I kept pushing to shut it off, but she just kept screaming 'no no no' and then I heard my mom groan upstairs and tell us to be quiet because she was sleeping. (it was like 1 AM) I know my sister doesn't give a damn about my mom, so obviously she was gonna keep acting up unless I left the stupid movie on. So I did...

Next, there's internet websites. Well, most specifically--MySpace. Her and all her friends have MySpaces, and they look through it, and etc. And some of the things that I've read on her page... don't sound like she's 11 at all. She always has things about being "gangster" up or something, it's full of explicit language that I myself wouldn't ever use... And my parents very well know. I've gone to my mom several times about what's written on there, and my mom tells her to take it off but she just puts it back up later or replaces it with something worse.

Then, there's the music she listens to. Not only is it terrible in the first place (rap, hip-hop, etc) it has some of the worst lyrics. Like that one song, where the chorus is just like "TOUCH MY BODY ETC ETC". And she'll sing along to them, and dance to them, and shout the lyrics in random public places.

And last but not least, her general behavior. Like I said before, she used to be really sweet and quiet. Now, well...now she's a really big attention whore. She will do anything it takes to get attention. She screams at people, swears at people, flips them off for no reason, shouts at people in a drive-thru, scream really loud, say something really shocking... the list goes on. I usually ignore her because that's the best I can do. But her friends all feed into it. My dad feeds into it (he loses his temper). And my mom scolds her. But doesn't do anything about it. No matter how bratty and embarrassing she acts, my mom will just say "ALI!" but won't go any further than that. And my dad will lose his temper, as I said, and start yelling and take it out on everyone.

Her morals aren't very in-tact, either.

So, I'm kind of worried about her. I'm hoping she'll mellow out a bit when she gets older, maybe. But knowing her generation, I sincerely doubt it. I don't know what else I can do other than ignore her. I don't really have any authority over her at all. I dislike her very much, but I still love her. I still feel a bit of protectiveness for her and I don't want anything bad to happen to her.
But with the road she's going down... :

So. Help?

[AlexCraig]

Reality will set in eventually for her. It'll either shock her or she'll go along with it.

[EphekZ]

she's in 5th grade. Didn't everyone do that?

[Tessu]

On 2008-05-08 17:26, EphekZ wrote:
she's in 5th grade. Didn't everyone do that?

Not... really. I was pretty peppy and energetic and loud like that, but I wasn't rude like she was, and I didn't have such a...er... potty mouth. xD

I know she's still young, and that's why I still have some faith in her. But at this rate, nothing is really stopping her. Her judgmental skills won't develop at all with the kind of people she hangs around and the kind of things she does undisciplined.

[ABDUR101]

Hi, you have a parenting problem.

Know what I got when I'd do something my parents did'nt approve of in public? The first time was a stern look of "If you do that again I'm going to break your ass", followed by my parent telling me "If you do that again I'm going to break your ass", and if I had the balls to have a second outburst, guess what happened?

My parents had a no-bullshit stance with all of their kids; you will act and talk appropriately in public; because you're never too old to have your teeth knocked in.

I continue that with all of my neices and nephews, when they get out of line and their parents aren't around or aren't managing them correctly, I lay the law down and tell them whats up and whats going to happen if they don't straighten the hell up; and then I chew their parent(s) out for letting them act out in such a way that they all look like trash.

[SStrikerR]

On 2008-05-08 17:26, EphekZ wrote:
she's in 5th grade. Didn't everyone do that?

For me, that was two years ago. The answer is no.

[Powder Keg]

Prepare to be a young uncle.

[AlexCraig]

Tessu = female
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[SStrikerR]

On 2008-05-08 18:29, AlexCraig wrote:
Tessu = female
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Ouch

[Nitro Vordex]

On 2008-05-08 17:35, ABDUR101 wrote:
Hi, you have a parenting problem.

Know what I got when I'd do something my parents did'nt approve of in public? The first time was a stern look of "If you do that again I'm going to break your ass", followed by my parent telling me "If you do that again I'm going to break your ass", and if I had the balls to have a second outburst, guess what happened?

My parents had a no-bullshit stance with all of their kids; you will act and talk appropriately in public; because you're never too old to have your teeth knocked in.

I continue that with all of my neices and nephews, when they get out of line and their parents aren't around or aren't managing them correctly, I lay the law down and tell them whats up and whats going to happen if they don't straighten the hell up; and then I chew their parent(s) out for letting them act out in such a way that they all look like trash.

I used to get threatened like that too.
I also got said punishment.

As a result, I'm really a good person.
Of course, I sometimes act the way a parent does sometimes, around younger kids; or more often, idiots my age. >_>

Tessu, your sister needs a good old fashioned GROUNDING. No music, no ipeedPod, no Myspace, no nothing. FOR A MONTH. If that don't straighten her out, then...well, I don't know. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Don't tell your parents directly, however. Allude to her behavior in some manner that suggests where she could be going. Direct will work too, but the alluding will be so much sweeter.

Oh, and your Dad is whipped by the way. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[stukasa]

You're not her parent and it's not your responsibility to raise her. I understand you're concerned for her and hopefully this is just a phase, but constantly fighting with her probably won't help the situation. It might even make the situation worse if she's stubborn about it.

Fifth grade can be a confusing time and her personality is still developing. It's okay to let her know you don't approve of her choices but try to avoid playing the role of "police officer." Even if you two don't always get along, she should know she can turn to you for help if she ever needs it.

[Solstis]

I thought that everyone of that age is an egomaniac.

"I wasn't" replies do not prove otherwise. I'm sure I was self-centered, but in different ways than the sister.

[Raine_Loire]

If your parents don't WANT to be good parents for her, and if she doesn't WANT to use you to be a good example, then there isn't much you can do. If you have a talk with your parents, tell them all your concerns, and nothing happens, and you have a talk with her, and tell her you're worried about her and why, then you've done all you can do, and you just need to distance yourself from it. Make sure she knows how you feel, and that you are always there for her, like Stukasa says.

Abdur is right, it's a parenting problem. She needs her ass beat til her morals improve. But parents who are willing to let a 5th grader watch good luck chuck, aren't interested in being good parents, they're interested in taking the easy way out of the rest of their time as parents of a minor.

It might have been reverse psychology though- that movie is SOOOO SOOOOO bad, maybe they hope it'll scare her off sex?


On 2008-05-08 23:03, Solstis wrote:
I thought that everyone of that age is an egomaniac.



Everyone under 21 is an egomaniac. But that's not what Tessu is describing. Her sister doesn't suffer from egomania. She suffers from having no boundaries set at all for her. You can be absorbed in yourself without being a terrible person.

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[Nitro Vordex]

TV= Auto pilot parenting.

Or so I'm told.

[Zorafim]

It sounds like you need to have a talk with your parents. They really need to discipline her more, if this is really a problem.

[Syl]

On 2008-05-08 23:36, Nitro_Vordex wrote:
TV= Auto pilot parenting.

Or so I'm told.


Unless it's VH1/MTV, which will just end up reversing any parenting http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Tessu]

Okay, well. What I'm getting at is, I can talk with my parents and I can talk with her, but all in all there's nothing I can do.

I've already spoken to my parents about how I'm worried about her. But they respond similarly to some of you-"It's just a phase. She's young. She'll grow out of it." It's worth another try, though.
I'll re-post about how it all goes if I need to.

tanx gais. :B

[Kent]

Welcome to witnessing puberty.

Tell your parents to start turning on the parental controls on all your electronics, just to see what happens.

Most of society generally sees this sort of thing and calls it a parenting problem. On the other hand, if she gets neck-deep in her own problems... She might actually learn her lesson, and without any threats or child abuse.

Then again, that really only works if she has to solve them herself, too... And, of course, there's always the chance she'll actually ruin her life in the process.

On a psychological level, there's sort of a sweet spot that seems to be most effective with raising most children, without being too restrictive or too permissive, but it looks like the case here is that the meter passed "permissive" quite a while ago. Path of failure as it may be, the only way to instill some dignity into this sort of a person, is to create a situation where they realize their mistakes and learn from them... The problem, of course, is convincing an 11-year old girl that she's making mistakes. :/

[MetaZedlen]

On 2008-05-08 17:35, ABDUR101 wrote:
Hi, you have a parenting problem.

Know what I got when I'd do something my parents did'nt approve of in public? The first time was a stern look of "If you do that again I'm going to break your ass", followed by my parent telling me "If you do that again I'm going to break your ass", and if I had the balls to have a second outburst, guess what happened?

My parents had a no-bullshit stance with all of their kids; you will act and talk appropriately in public; because you're never too old to have your teeth knocked in.

I continue that with all of my neices and nephews, when they get out of line and their parents aren't around or aren't managing them correctly, I lay the law down and tell them whats up and whats going to happen if they don't straighten the hell up; and then I chew their parent(s) out for letting them act out in such a way that they all look like trash.

The master has spoken again...

Anyway, my parents were the same as Abdur's, but, I was taught at a very young age what was right and wrong, and that seems to be where your parents have messed up.

Also, I have a sister at 13, so Tessu, "we're no so different, you and I..." I remember years ago when she was a snotty little shit to me all of the time, basically punching and kicking (literally) me and one day I cracked, I shoved her off of a 2-foot high deck in our backyard, she landed with a thud, and just went to my room, and when my mom came in, she was pissed at me, but then I explained what happened, and that anger turned to my sister, and she never did it again.

Now that behavior is coming back again, but neither of my parents are doing shit about it, which in turn pisses me off because if something goes wrong with me, I become the punching-bag, but if something goes wrong with her, then I just get the excuse from my mom: "well I'm not home so I can't do anything about it..."

Sometimes you have to take the law in your own hands, but it may or may not work. Then again, you seem like there is big trouble, so retaliation is a plausible action.

[Seority]

I agree with Raine and Zora stating that you need to talk to your parents about this. She is their's and your's responsiblity, but they are the ones that have the power to disipline her. It sounds like they have given up on her, for some reason, and just let, as Nitro said, the media control her.
If you are really determended to help her, you gotta set things straight with your parents. Tell them, in a concerned way, that they have to start doing something with Ali, otherwise she probably will end up with a terrible life and either move away quickly or be a problem to them till she's 20 or so (From what most people's lives have shown us is true about girls following that culture sadly). If they acctually don't care about her anymore, I'd be more concerned about your parents and start trying to help your sister out yourself. Then again, being in that situation it seems your whole family needs to get counciling.
If you are just concerned that she might not get better then the answer is probably no she will not. Unless she finds someone else who straightens her out, which is very rare, I fear she's not going to like what she becomes.

@Raine:
I know quite a few people who are egomaniacs and over 21 years old. I wouldn't say that everyone younger then you is like that. I'm not and I know I'm not. It's better to just say that most of that comes from the media, who is making those who follow it like that. Whatever age they may be.

[Sgt_Shligger]

Why not be a good sibling and take a swing at your little sister? It's your duty since you're older.

[MetaZedlen]

On 2008-05-11 16:44, Sgt_Shligger wrote:
Why not be a good sibling and take a swing at your little sister? It's your duty since you're older.

...

That sums up what I said, 'cept you made it easy...

[Raine_Loire]

On 2008-05-11 16:13, Seority wrote:

@Raine:
I know quite a few people who are egomaniacs and over 21 years old. I wouldn't say that everyone younger then you is like that. I'm not and I know I'm not. It's better to just say that most of that comes from the media, who is making those who follow it like that. Whatever age they may be.



I disagree- but I misspoke. I don't mean egomaniacs, I mean egocentrics. While I know a LOT of adults who are egomaniacs, after people hit puberty people become egocentric. The age people snap out of it is an individual thing, but it's rarely before 25. Sorry, but you are too. Simple fact. Yeah yeah it bothers all the teenagers out there who, like you, feel they are somehow different from everyone else, but it's not really an insult. Right now, you are the center of your own world. The things that matter the most to you are the things that directly affect you. The people whose opinions matter the most to you are the ones who directly affect you. You won't be able to see it until you aren't the center anymore. Most people don't get replaced as their centers until they have kids. Then they have new centers. Some people stay their own centers even then. The exception would be children who are physically or emotionally abused and are forced to look past themselves as a defense mechanism.

Media cannot be blamed for society's love for themselves. Blame has to fall on the shoulders of the individual, considering without the individual, the media couldn't exist. What would they report? Who would they report it to?

[Seority]

I guessed there was a difference between caring for youself and being selfish, but what do I know? I'm only an adult by law, but not by Raine.
I thought I already knew that this world revolves around a sun and we are all subjects to where this planet takes us and that what we do affects many things, not just ourselves, but that I should do what's best for me in the end. Oh wait, that's not right either is it?
Hmm. Maybe after I've been alive for 9,130 days, then say that is when it'll be true because I won't have the compasity to understand 9,129 days, but 9,130 I sure will!

Clean and simple. You don't know me. You don't know every teenager in the world, therefor you don't know that type of information. According to surveys/studies most teens are very self demanding and selfish. Are ALL? Absolutly not. Mainly because no one can know for sure.
Just because you say/think/believe something, doesn't make it true. Just because I say/think/believe something, doesn't make it true. Unless such statment's are not matters of opinion, and have physical proof.
Most, yes. All, no.

[Kion]

This is why people should beat their kids.

It's not just your parents responsibility, well.. it mostly is. But as her older sibling; you have a lot of control over how she turns out. Being a good influence and having her hang out with you could make a huge difference.

[thunder-ray]

For the record raines statement has some truth for me aleast.

[Leviathan]

Someone just needs to punish her. If my little brother did those kinds of things I would be concerned too.

Adults these days don't know how to raise a proper child at all.

[Leviathan]

Someone just needs to punish her. If my little brother did those kinds of things I would be concerned too.

Adults these days don't know how to raise a proper child at all.

[Nitro Vordex]

Taco'd


90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

>.>

[3---Hit---U]

If she was my sister, the computer wires/laptop battery, tv cord, etc. would all just "happen" to go "missing"

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[Raine_Loire]

On 2008-05-14 11:42, Seority wrote:
I guessed there was a difference between caring for youself and being selfish, but what do I know? I'm only an adult by law, but not by Raine.
I thought I already knew that this world revolves around a sun and we are all subjects to where this planet takes us and that what we do affects many things, not just ourselves, but that I should do what's best for me in the end. Oh wait, that's not right either is it?
Hmm. Maybe after I've been alive for 9,130 days, then say that is when it'll be true because I won't have the compasity to understand 9,129 days, but 9,130 I sure will!

Clean and simple. You don't know me. You don't know every teenager in the world, therefor you don't know that type of information. According to surveys/studies most teens are very self demanding and selfish. Are ALL? Absolutly not. Mainly because no one can know for sure.
Just because you say/think/believe something, doesn't make it true. Just because I say/think/believe something, doesn't make it true. Unless such statment's are not matters of opinion, and have physical proof.
Most, yes. All, no.



When you call yourself an adult, you're talking about an abstract age that our country has decided is being an adult. Other countries have different ages. So saying "Oh, wow, I turned 18 a month ago, I'm an adult NAO" means nothing to someone who has been an adult for ten years and realizes that it's only been 5 since I really matured. You're right, you ARE only an adult in the eyes of the law, and NOT in my eyes- to me, you're a kid like you were 3 months ago, and like you were 3 years ago. You're at the beginning of a very long journey. And even though you're legally an adult, there's still stuff you can't legally do that I can, so obviously the LAW doesn't take your maturity claims that much more serious than I do.

As I said, ego-CENTRIC. Not ego-MANIAC. Self demanding and selfish are not signs of being ego centric. Maybe in a few years, you'll have the "compasity" to understand that, Seority. You know a simple test to see if you're ego centric? If you were ego-centric, you'd say stuff like "you don't know me." It's our ego-centricness that make humans feel like they're all different and special. It's good when you're growing up. Gets annoying to other people when you get older and still think you're special. When you're an adult, you realize that most people go through the same stuff. Families are all different; likes and dislikes, personalities- nearly everyone is different when it comes to these. But deep down inside, people are the same. People take different paths to get there, but we all end up in the same place.

Sure, there are some exceptions to this rule, but you aren't one of them, Seority. Let me ask you this- imagine for a second that you get married and have a baby. Now imagine your child gets hit by a car when she's 6. Running outside, and a car's going too fast and BAM. Do you think you'd get sad for a second, say "Oh, that's terrible, that poor kid" and then go about your business like you do when you hear about tragedy hitting other people's children in the news? No. And likewise, if I came on these boards and posted that my husband died, I'd get a lot of condolences, but I don't think 1 person would break down, cry for years and be inconsolable like I would be. Why? Because people are EGOCENTRIC and the things that directly affect THEM hit harder than the things that don't. It's a necessary part of life, not an insult.

And since you brought up statistics being self demanding and selfish, I'll say- I agree with whatever statistics you are talking about. The majority of teenagers ARE demanding and selfish. Most are being raised without morals and a questionable set of values. Most are making wrong decisions for one reason or another- a lot of their reasons are because they grew up with parents who were afraid to be disliked so the failed to set boundaries. But since I have a 20 year old brother and a 17 1/2 year old brother, and my husband and I have been married since he was a teenager, I know that not ALL teens are like that. If you're trying to paint me as some kind of teen hater, or an adult who "just doesn't get it" you've got the wrong person- but then, to be fair, you know less about me than I do about you. I think there are responsible teens in the world. I just wouldn't put YOU in that category, and that's why you're taking a disproportionate amount of offense at what I posted.

[BlaizeYES]

lol. lately i've been completely drained and havent been able to make a long, dramatic post. as of the past few weeks, the time i get on here, my all-powerful mind is usually been drained from being overly used. but raine_loire, your post just put a big smile on my face. posts like that make me feel ALIVE again

[thunder-ray]

Noooooooo! blaize D: *fills head with power to make long posts*



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[Solstis]

On 2008-05-15 13:33, BlaizeYES wrote:
lol. lately i've been completely drained and havent been able to make a long, dramatic post. as of the past few weeks, the time i get on here, my all-powerful mind is usually been drained from being overly used. but raine_loire, your post just put a big smile on my face. posts like that make me feel ALIVE again



It was an emotional post for me as well.

I'm 21 and still about half-way stuck in narcissism mode. Then again, most people stay that way, so I guess I'm an adult now (haha irony)!

[Raine_Loire]

Blaize, the boards are boring without you ^_^

Solstis, I don't get that vibe off you that much. You're too polite, even in disagreements to be as much of a narcissist as you think.

[Stormsworder]

Yeah, my parents were strict with me, too, which is how I turned out to be the one kid in the family who doesn't curse or listen to such degrading music like that. Granted, I'm now the only one of the three kids who's a Christian. My brother and sister... I'll just say they're going through a lot of problems. My sister's are mainly caused by alcohol...

Anyways, yeah, unless your parents are strict, she'll be doing whatever she wants. Whenever I would try to ask my brother and sister not to curse or turn down a really bad song on the radio, they'd do just the opposite. Just try not to get too frustrated about it and do whatever you can to try and push your sister the right way. The media has a way of turning people from kind and caring into pretty much what you're talking about.

[MayLee]

To sum i all up, you're parents are raising a handfull or to be blunt, your little sister s a spoiled brat.

My family doesn't take kindly to children who act like they have no sense at all, I was tought no meant no and if you keep asking you'll never get anything untill your 20. "You act up in public like that again and I will knock some goddamn sense into you"

Listening to different kinds of music is okay, depending of the maturity level of he person. Your sister may get a reality check one day, I can't say "its just a phase" she's going through but reality may hit her and it may not, just try to be a better older sibling and be behind her.

[Seority]

@Raine
I'm glad I can figure out who I am without your help. I don't really care if I'm an adult in your eyes. I'm not here to preach to people and tell them they have to think what I do, but to put out facts about the topic and my own opinions.
IT'S A FACT: That I believe I am a lot smarter then many kids my age.
IT'S A FACT: That I believe I'm smarter then some adults.
IT'S A FACT: That being 18/21 doesn't make you an adult.
Meaning, you can be younger or older till you really are, but none can be fully proven. Being adult means you're acting mature and think about your actions before you do them.)

I already stated that caring for yourself and being selfish are different, but thanks for restating it in too much detail.

I'm sorry you think people have to be of certain aspects to be what you think they are. If I don't learn anything from ages 21-25, I'm still what I was when I was 21! I'm not instantly an adult. Regaurdless of how you or your husband is, doesn't mean the whole world follows in step with you guys. Humans are versatile and various. We can achieve more then we think we can. Weither you believe it or not, it's possible for a person younger then you to be more intelligent, more wise, more anything then you.

Do I like the thought of a freshmen acctually being smarter then me? Hell no, but I know it's possible so I keep my head open to those facts. I don't simple shut it out just because I don't agree.

BIGGEST THING:
I'm not here to please you. I'm not here to agree with you. I'm here to state facts and my own opinions. You can think I'm still a selfish retartded mut of a teen who thinks they are adult, think it with all your might. That doesn't mean I am one, nor will un-educate myself to be it. You are a hater of those who are younger then you if you think they may pose a threat to all of your "glorious knowledge" being slightly older then me, and having kids what-not. Guess what? I don't want kids till a long ass time from now. I'd like to get my life started in college and settled in a good career before I create life that I must take care of. I don't want to struggle in my own life, but sure as hell don't want a child to suffer with me. Why? Because I care for others lives/feelings. I'm not heartless like you think I am, as I've stated way to much already.
DISCLAIMER: I don't know you, just like you don't know me. If you are having a wonderful life, and giving your kids the same thing, please, by all means, continue to do what you are doing. I can only wish for peoples happiness in life. The way my life is going, I NEED to go to college and focus on my studies and not children to live, what I believe to be, a healthy and happy life. Excuse me if you think that's wrong.

EDIT: I say "you don't know me" because you really don't know me. I'm proud to say I know who I am, that DreXxiN knows who I am, but you absolutly do not. You know my age. Great, but that has little to nothing to who I really am.
I am legally adult, but guess what? I believe I'm smarter then what I was yesterday. I grow everyday. I never said I stay the same way when I was 12-17 then it all just hit me when I became 18.

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[Raine_Loire]

Oh, God, this topic has been dead for days- which makes sense since it has gone from talking about the OPs sister to "Seority's girl-power time." Seriously, no one cares anymore, so let it go.

That said, it's GREAT that you have such self esteem. Really. But go ahead, and save your posts somewhere on your computer to look back at when you're 10 years older. I promise you, you'll laugh at yourself, the way I do. Seriously, you're all offended and huffy now, but when you've matured, you'll get a kick out of what you've said here in this thread.

I've certainly never said you're heartless, not even close to what I think about you. I've actually never told you what I think of you because whether you think it would matter to you or not, it would. Anyone who spends as much time defending themselves against a comment that originally wasn't even directed at them cares WAY TOO MUCH what others think about them. So really you want to let this whole thing go, Seority. You're a crushable person.

Also, I don't base my opinions off you based on myself, my husband, or anything else besides your posts. I don't preach until other people agree with me, but I don't change my opinions just because someone challenges me on them.

It is my OPINION that the topic should be locked, since nothing good has been said in the last 3 pages, nor is likely to come from the next 3, and the OP lost interest weeks ago.



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[thunder-ray]

Wow I though this rant wouldve died a long time ago. Guess it hasent >.>

[Syl]

On 2008-05-21 13:50, thunder-ray wrote:
Wow I though this rant wouldve died a long time ago. Guess it hasent >.>


Women: They hold grudges forever >_>

*prepares to get shot*

[Seority]

Women: They hold grudges forever >_>

*prepares to get shot*

True that. -pats head-




It is my OPINION that the topic should be locked, since nothing good has been said in the last 3 pages, nor is likely to come from the next 3, and the OP lost interest weeks ago.

I'll just take this as a white flag. Glad to talk to you ^^.

[beatrixkiddo]

This thread dissappointed me. I was expecting
http://www.beatrixkiddopsu.com/misc/littlesister.jpg

Yet I get NOTHING :(

Anyway, just slap her around a bit until she straightens out. Or wait until she gets a boyfriend so she'll be bugging him instead of you.