% > ATP ?

[Kadajenova]

Using Psu tool calculator damage, i compared some 9* to 12*

And all 9* with high % (like 46-50%) does more dmg that 12* (30-40%), on opposite ele. But this lack of dmg is compensate by higher PP/Acc for 12*.

So do u think 9* 50% is more efficient than 12* 30-40% ?

[Arika]

First point, I will say about damage.
Depend on how much ATPbase u have and weapon type,
if you say about twin daggers. lol. the 12* has a little bit ATP more than 9* ,so yes . % help more damage.
But if it is Agito repca 30-40% good grind, it can out damage 50% Kan YU easily.

Second point, don't forget PP and ATA factor too, those factors are really depend on situation. so I won't mention them.

Last point, Master classes can't use A rank

[Kadajenova]

Well, with the damage calculator, my caliburn 50% dark does more dmg on light mobs than a agito repca with mid %, ur right about grinded agito is better, but its rly better at 6+/10, which is very hard to grind it.

[Arika]

oh well, the Agito grind to 6 has only 1000 atp while the actual 10 one is 1500(that is 5* different of the atp)
So, I wouldn't say that is Agito true strong yet to consider.
your calculation will be correct only if you using lv 130/20 FF as base ATP. that is why I said it is depend on base ATP u calculation. If they are PT, they rather use lower % of S rank.
But, anyway, that is why people make high % S rank so high price, and very low price on low %.
Also, it is much use to compare between A-S ranks, because A rank won't have anymore use when I go masterclass.

[Hrith]

As a rule, ATP matters more, but not by a lot.

Bear in mind 50% to an element does not equate to 50% more damage.

A weapon with 30% will deal a lot more damage than one with 0%, but not much less than one with 50%.

[Kadajenova]

Ok let's make an example.

I take human FI lv130 ATP base for dmg calculation.

1)Swords

Caliburn 50% VS De Ragan Slayer

1478 atp base + 730 (caliburn atp) = 2208 atp total -> 601 dmg (normal attack)

1478 atp base + 900 (ragan slayer atp) = 2378 atp total -> 475 dmg (normal attack)

Now, lets try with ragan slayer 25% -> 569 dmg (normal attack)
ragan slayer 35% -> 601 dmg (normal attack)

OK so caliburn 50% is equal to ragan slayer 35% for dmg.

2)Handguns

B'duki Maganac 10/10 (Bullets lv10) VS Python 10/10 (Bullets lv30)

1478 atp base + 448 (b'duki mag. atp) with dark hit Lv10 (5% ele) -> 513 dmg

1478 atp base + 323 (python atp) with dark hit Lv30 (19% ele) -> 688 dmg

i know dark hit 30 has 40% more power but its compensated by the 125 atp diff between the 2 guns, see the big diff between 5% and 19%.

3)TECHNICS

Halarod VS Psycho Wand

Lets say 1000 TP base to make things easier.

1000 tp base + 673 (halarod tp) with diga lv40 -> 1579 dmg

1000 tp base + 958 (pwand tp) with diga lv20 -> 1495 dmg

well TECHs dont have 0% ele to their weap but it show that TECHS Lv is very important for techers, not to count that a halarod 10/10 will make almost as many dmg as a psycho wand for same TECHs lv.

[Libram]

Just a note, a higher TECH level will also mean a higher ele% for that TECH. Lv 20 Diga has 30% ground while Lv 40 has 50%.

[Kadajenova]

lv40 techs get 50% ? so it show that im right about % > ATP/TP ^^

[Arika]

well, I already state before, it is depend on your base -_- and how much ATP is that.
so when Agito has ATP value large enough to comprehend the % lose. now you change to Deraganslayer lol.

but hey, #1 FI can't use S rank sword
#2 what is the point to compare gun and tech? you can use it link to your any weapon.
#3 it is depend on how much % you are saying, and how much ATP you are saying. So your topic about %>ATP can't really comparable

Let's say, if you compare 20% vs 1000 atp, I choose 1000 atp
if you compare 50% vs 300 atp, I choose 50%

you can't say % vs ATP without saying how much lol
so. what is the point in this topic? each people can use different kind of S rank and they also have different base ATP, you can't just make 1 single solution for everybody.

What will you say if I make a new char lv 20, will I use my B rank sword 50% or use A sword rank 30%?

[Zorafim]

It's pretty easy to figure out which one is better, assuming I still know how elements work. If the elemental boost to the weapon is higher than the boost in atp you'd get from getting a better weapon, then the elements will do more damage. A 15% light Katsuno-zashi will do more damage than a serafi on a dark mob, for instance, because a serafi's atp is less than 15% higher than a katsuno's.
So, on average, a low level high elemental weapon would do more damage than a high level low elemental weapon, assuming their atp is close enough together.

[Arika]

It's pretty easy to figure out which one is better, assuming I still know how elements work. If the elemental boost to the weapon is higher than the boost in atp you'd get from getting a better weapon, then the elements will do more damage. A 15% light Katsuno-zashi will do more damage than a serafi on a dark mob, for instance, because a serafi's atp is less than 15% higher than a katsuno's.
So, on average, a low level high elemental weapon would do more damage than a high level low elemental weapon, assuming their atp is close enough together.
yes, that is nice conclusion. I would like to add that you can alway calculate Elemental % into ATP amount.
since you only care ATP, just convert that element % value (gain) to ATP(gain from element) compare to ATP value (lose from weapon) : check gain vs lose = your own case.
Consider that elemental % is depend on who you are. So ,it is so pointless here to say which one is better.