FireFox's new update! Or not so new-

[Volcompat321]

I really like this new update they had!
My new FF theme is this one for now, until I have time to look for one I like more. :D

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk115/Volcompat321/c87063b5.png[/SPOILER-BOX]



[SPOILER]Yes, that is a Ricky Martin song. :wacko:

[Bomber The Cosmonaut]

..She bangs, huh?
On-Topic: I thought the Persona thing was around for a while.. ;x

[Volcompat321]

Really? :o

I did an update a week or so ago, because of all the Java problems I've been having (http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176381), and it wasn't in there.

Now I just feel like a tard.

Hell yes, because Luu's video got me thinking about how much of a crappy singer Ricky Martin was, so I looked it up!

Thanks Luu. :x
:wacko:

[Shattered_weasel]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5649/32296245.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

This is going to be never ending.

[Volcompat321]

Haha, a screenshot of a screenshot? :o

Keep em coming then!


Seriously, this computer is poo still, but it STILL hasn't died all the way. Slowly piece by piece it is though.

Maybe when I updated Firefox a week ago, my computer didn't want it?

[astuarlen]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5649/32296245.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

This is going to be never ending.

I hope that Evony tab is, um, ironic?

[Bomber The Cosmonaut]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/bombahead2k6/PSU%20Stuff/pagewasterrrrr.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

Caaaaan do!

[astuarlen]

C-c-c-combo breaker?
[spoiler-box]http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/henfingers/combofaker.jpg

grumble grumble resizing grumble[/spoiler-box]

[HeartBreak301]

:wacko:
[spoiler-box]http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7721/52521675.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[astuarlen]

Paging PSOW's resident Safari user.

[Shattered_weasel]

I hope that Evony tab is, um, ironic?

Tis' me chat room of choice :)

[Weeaboolits]

[spoiler-box]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Image1.jpg[/spoiler-box]

Also, not sure if mine updated yet, I might have told it I was busy and to try again later.

[AC9breaker]

Old hat, Get with Chrome negus.

[amtalx]

Old hat, Get with Chrome negus.

Seriously. If anyone is having trouble with Java, use Chrome. I know browser preference is personal, but speaking from a strictly technical aspect, Firefox has a lot of ground to cover before it reaches Chrome. Much like IE has a lot of ground to cover to reach FF.

[Volcompat321]

I haven't even thought about switching browswers.
If Chrome has the customization Firefox has, then I'll be happy with it.
I hate getting used to new stuff though, but I'll have to give it a try.

[UnderscoreX]

[spoiler-box]http://i41.tinypic.com/jzfeqo.png[/spoiler-box]

Not being able to see anything in the lower left is gangsta.

[joefro]

I haven't even thought about switching browswers.
If Chrome has the customization Firefox has, then I'll be happy with it.
I hate getting used to new stuff though, but I'll have to give it a try.
Chrome does have themes that are similar to Personas.[spoiler-box]http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9935/screenshot20100403at112.png[/spoiler-box] I personally don't use Chrome(I prefer Firefox) but it is a great browser. Basically any browser out there is better than IE 8. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc.

[Volcompat321]

[spoiler-box]http://i41.tinypic.com/jzfeqo.png[/spoiler-box]



Not being able to see anything in the lower left is gangsta.

My words come out white. :o
Or did you mean just in the screenshot?


Chrome does have themes that are similar to Personas.[spoiler-box]http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9935/screenshot20100403at112.png[/spoiler-box] I personally don't use Chrome(I prefer Firefox) but it is a great browser. Basically any browser out there is better than IE 8. Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc.

I didn't mean that, I meant the little bookmark icons, and whatnot.
I like that I can just click a button to bring me to a site I regularly go to. :D

[UnderscoreX]

My words come out white. :o
Or did you mean just in the screenshot?


I'm talking about where it says "Done" on mine, when ever you mouse over a link you have to squint to actually see where it's taking you.

[Volcompat321]

Oh okay. It looks like it shows up black for you.
Guess it just depends on the theme.
The one on the theme I have now is whit, and it's pretty easy to see in the black.

[Google]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/5/5/2431184/jhgfdjnhbgvc.png[/SPOILER-BOX]
My Firefox is minimalist.

[amtalx]

I haven't even thought about switching browswers.
If Chrome has the customization Firefox has, then I'll be happy with it.
I hate getting used to new stuff though, but I'll have to give it a try.

Chrome will open with thumbnails of your eight most commonly visited sites. It also doesn't chew up 1-1.5GB of memory for absolutely no reason like FF likes to do.

[Google]

Chrome has very few good extensions, but it's faster than Firefox. There's even an extension for Firefox that shows your most visited websites when you start it up. I prefer the one where you press a hot key and a box pops showing them. Firefox only uses 40-200 MB of RAM for me. Chrome uses about the same.

[Volcompat321]

Chrome will open with thumbnails of your eight most commonly visited sites. It also doesn't chew up 1-1.5GB of memory for absolutely no reason like FF likes to do.

It takes that much? :o


Chrome has very few good extensions, but it's faster than Firefox. There's even an extension for Firefox that shows your most visited websites when you start it up. I prefer the one where you press a hot key and a box pops showing them. Firefox only uses 40-200 MB of RAM for me. Chrome uses about the same.

How do you tell how much RAM it takes? :o
I know it uses lots of CPU at times.

I don't really care about extensions, just the little icons where I go all the time, like in the picture I posted in the original post.

[joefro]

@Volcompat

I know what you mean about the bookmarks bar. I can't live without it either, however, Chrome does have it built in, you just need to enable it in the preferences.

[Volcompat321]

Oh okay.
Well it wont hurt to try Chrome.
If anything, it might help! Guess I'll download it now.

EDIT: Well, that was easier than I thought.
Chrome just copied all the settings from Firefox, so I didn't have to change any settings.
Pretty cooool, I can already notice the speed difference. :o

[astuarlen]

Looking at the screenshots in this thread has made me think I might have a small tabs problem. But I'll never change! How do you guys get by with just 2 or 3 tabs? The mind boggles.

[spoiler-box]
Not-so-covert propaganda!
http://firsttube.com/uploads/2008/08/operabrowser.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[amtalx]

There's even an extension for Firefox that shows your most visited websites when you start it up.

This is a stock feature of Chrome.


How do you tell how much RAM it takes? :o
I know it uses lots of CPU at times.

Use task manager. FF doesn't release memory like it should, so if you leave it running for a while it will just keep eating up memory without giving it back to the system.

[Volcompat321]

Got it.

Okay........one complaint about Chrome so far.

The ctrl+ (I, B, U, whatever else) don't work with Chrome. Do I have to change settings for that too?

[Keilyn]

I liked firefox more when it came out....Firefox 0.2b still is a hackers best friend. :) However when there are over 30 versions for a browser in just version 3.X.X alone it makes you wonder.

I still use FireFox, but I.E in many ways has caught up through version 8.0....which has several things I like...and this comes from someone who hasn't used IE as a main browser since the Netscape/I.E days....

I.E has their accelerators and the ability to conform a page to standards with compatability. Their next browser will support and standardise HTML5 and CCS3...which is something that when I code on Firefox, I still get display problems here and there.

The downfall I.E had was that it was part of the windows core itself...usually when you took a hit through IE, you lost Windows as well....as IE was always used to hit your system.

I have to say that for the very first time ever I.E has caught up to FireFox and has surpassed most of the browser (Not all)...One thing IE does is that it will tab in the process list, each opened page, so you know the memory consumption taken on each page...While one page in Firefox can take you tons of memory and you wouldn't know which one to close.

Of course I thank Mozilla and Opera because if they did not exist...IE would still be as crappy as always...but its nice to see I.E actually being decent again.....and the OS coming with both, 32 bit and 64 bit versions.

Firefox still gives you tons of Options that you can just add into your browser...But for the average person who doesn't want to deal with that...all they have to do with the latest version is click on the right arrow of the search field...and add Wikipedia, Google and Newegg on IE8. :)

[BahnKnakyu]

A heads up, if you uninstall the forced Persona extension before you update Firefox, the next update won't try to reinstall the Persona extension.

Smart updater, it is.

(And yes, I turned it off as soon as it got installed).

[Google]

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/53880

I installed this extension for Firefox and now it only uses around 16 MB of RAM.

[Keilyn]

This isn't one of those "Im better than you" or "Let me be an ass" reply. This is a more scientific way at measuring memory consumption.
Try this for an experiment. ^_^

1) Prepare Firefox for testing:
~a) Enable All Features/Extentions and all blockers and maximum security.
~b) Quit out of firefox, making sure tabs and windows are not saved.
2) Set up Task Manager
~a) Go to Processes Tab
~b) Add in "VM Size" + "Peak Memory Usage" columns
~c) Quit out of Task Manager
3) Set up your RAM
~a) Disable any Memory Mappers or scanners if you have any.
~b) Shutdown your Operating System to wipe your RAM clean.

---Restart and login---

4) Open up Firefox.exe with a single blank page.
5) Add up "Peak Memory Usage" + "VM Size." This is how much memory your browser consumes with just a blank page.

Repeat this test with the changes to 1a)

~Do this again with minimalist browser settings
~Do this again under normal settings.

At the end of this test you should know the following information under 1 blank page:

~Minimum Memory needed to operate the browser without loading a webpage under the three settings I mentioned above.

Purpose:

~Verifying, logging and visually identifying the way memory plays a role in minimalist/maximum settings.
~To observe the scalability in performance between such levels.
~To observe and determine whether going bare-bones or max-bloat is worth it.

This should give you a good answer. There are many other tests I do....If you want something deeper.....Just ask. There is a Memory Leakage Test I try on each browser when I download a new version. However we can't measure leakage without the results of this test being known.

^_^

[joefro]

I don't see what's the big deal with Firefox and memory use. Most computers now have enough RAM that it won't even matter. I've had Firefox open, with eight tabs in use, Photoshop open, Illustrator open, InDesign open, iTunes open and MS Word open, and my computer only has 4GB DDR3 RAM. I experienced no lag/slowdown in any of the programs.

Just sayin'.:wacko: I think 4GB is standard on most computers now and you can get 6 or more very cheaply.

[amtalx]

True, 4GB is standard, but FF can take up 25% of that because of all the memory leaks. It's just plain sloppy programming. Maybe it bugs me more than most because I'm a software analyst by trade.

[Volcompat321]

Well, my computer has 4gb of RAM, and it's super fast, but with all the problems I've been having, it's easier to use something that doesn't take up any CPU.

(Photoshop will lag if I have the Zune music up(but not when it's minimized), so I want to use something that takes practically nothing)


Chrome is working quite well, other than a few things I'll have to get used to.

(The CTR I, B, U, and the middle mouse click on things (like PM's visitor page thing, and all that list) wont open in a new tab with a middle click)

[Keilyn]

True, 4GB is standard, but FF can take up 25% of that because of all the memory leaks. It's just plain sloppy programming. Maybe it bugs me more than most because I'm a software analyst by trade.

Im sure you understand memory substructure and algorithmic complexity. Im sure you have fun downloading and analyzing each new source to firefox and wondering why the hell they implemented everything the way they did.

IE is the only browser where you don't have to download and install a new browser each blasted time you make an upgrade. Opera plans its releases every few months, so at least they work on a real update. Mozilla looks like they fix something or get a bright idea...repackage and get everyone to download it again...In fact I had to reprogram their 64 bit version of Namoroka (Firefox 64 bit's name) to get FLASH to work on it.


and my computer only has 4GB DDR3 RAM

Ah yes. The memory with the worse substructure ever created....running as high as 10-10-10-30 timings when DDR-2 got so strong it was able to run at 2-3-2-6 and 3-3-3-9 with no problems on good memory, while DDR1 ran at 2-2-2-5-1T timings.


Well, my computer has 4gb of RAM, and it's super fast, but with all the problems I've been having, it's easier to use something that doesn't take up any CPU.

If you have speed, but still feel your system is unstable....enter your bios and Synchronize your Base Front Side BUS speed with your Base memory speed. If you can make them run at an even Ratio such as 1 : 1...most of those memory problems disappear...

[Retehi]

who cares, web browsers are for porn.

[amtalx]

In fact I had to reprogram their 64 bit version of Namoroka (Firefox 64 bit's name) to get FLASH to work on it.

For what OS?

[Volcompat321]

If you have speed, but still feel your system is unstable....enter your bios and Synchronize your Base Front Side BUS speed with your Base memory speed. If you can make them run at an even Ratio such as 1 : 1...most of those memory problems disappear...

Because I know how to do that....

[joefro]

Im sure you understand memory substructure and algorithmic complexity. Im sure you have fun downloading and analyzing each new source to firefox and wondering why the hell they implemented everything the way they did.

IE is the only browser where you don't have to download and install a new browser each blasted time you make an upgrade. Opera plans its releases every few months, so at least they work on a real update. Mozilla looks like they fix something or get a bright idea...repackage and get everyone to download it again...In fact I had to reprogram their 64 bit version of Namoroka (Firefox 64 bit's name) to get FLASH to work on it.



Ah yes. The memory with the worse substructure ever created....running as high as 10-10-10-30 timings when DDR-2 got so strong it was able to run at 2-3-2-6 and 3-3-3-9 with no problems on good memory, while DDR1 ran at 2-2-2-5-1T timings.



If you have speed, but still feel your system is unstable....enter your bios and Synchronize your Base Front Side BUS speed with your Base memory speed. If you can make them run at an even Ratio such as 1 : 1...most of those memory problems disappear...
Seems like an "I'm better than you" reply. (Your words, not mine) Calm down. All you're doing is showing off and to be honest, I don't care. I don't know that much about computers and software and I really don't care to learn more.

[Outrider]

Seems like an "I'm better than you" reply.

Yeah, pretty much.

I think we can all agree that Firefox isn't perfect and that Keilyn gets off on talking about browser and hardware specifications.

Case closed.

[Volcompat321]

Yea, thread could be closed too.

I kinda got what I was looking for, but not really, but I'll deal with what I have.

There are things I like about FF, and things I don't.
Things I like about Chrome, and things I don't.

I'll never find a perfect browser, and I'm okay with that.

[amtalx]

@Volcompat:
The keyboard shortcuts you are looking for exist in Chrome. However, they have different mappings. Check the help for more info.

[Keilyn]

This is exactly why I keep my mouth shut when it comes to "Real Knowledge." Anyone posts something ridiculous, it gets tons of pages....but any real knowledge gets shafted.

Get of your high horse. Do you have some "Font Analysis" skill that tells you what is going on in my brain? My attitude behind posting and even my motives? You don't....and there is a strong reason why speculation and indirect commentaries are not accepted as formal methods of arguments.

Do you have psychology degrees that grant you a crystal ball? Seriously, get off the crystal meth. I don't need people crying a river each time something flows differently.

If I was asking for your knowledge, I would have flipped you all a Quarter and said 'keep the change" since most of what I've seen from the majority is Dirt. Only reason I post in this forsaken hell-hole is because I believe some of you are nice...but I have no sympathy for people who perceive help as showing off.

People like you are the reason why I went back to GRdB and Amesani when dealing with this game....I must have been severely trashed up the day I signed on to these forums thinking I should risk damnation for the little bit of kindness that exists here.

[Sayara]

As per OP request,
also let us remember any problems you have with any one person should be confronted through private matters, and if its really bad let someone on the staff know.