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Subliminalgroove

Mar 5, 2003, 11:07 PM

On 2003-03-05 20:05, Rotis wrote:
Heh. So much for a serious thread, Pixel. I assume you were aiming for something less tangible...

I'd be quite interested to see the serious responses to this. Anyone?

heh. me too. C'mon, guys, what makes you men. And I don't mean leaving the seat up. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Subliminalgroove on 2003-03-05 20:08 ]

sharkie-do

Mar 5, 2003, 11:16 PM

Being a man means gaining and showing off hard to obtain possessions( ie; jobs,girlfriends,and hardware). The more possessions and respect you have, the bigger man you see yourself to be. Get it ladies?

P.S. vote me for PSOWs man whore!

BlackRose

Mar 5, 2003, 11:22 PM

While I was reading about building a forge, I saw and heard a lot of what people call the "thag nerve" which connects the man's brain directly to his balls, and tells him things like "bigger is better" and "You should be in charge" (describing it definetely as a bad thing) I only specify the fact that I was looking into blacksmithing because it's definetely a male-dominant practice... I noticed very few people trying to assert themselves over anyone else, bragging about the size of their new whatever-it-is.

I suppose the point of this is that in general, I've noticed that if men are talking anywhere where women are involved, conversation always heads for the crotch. It happens a lot less elsewhere.

-BK-

Mar 5, 2003, 11:25 PM

I view a man as guy that takes initiative, stands up for his beliefs, shows respect to everyone (without regard), knows when to stop and when to keep going, and does all of this with everything that he is. Sometimes I live up to this, sometimes I fail. This is my struggle; and I will not ask a woman to put faith in me until she KNOWS that if she ever can't find work, that I will be able to support her.

sharkie-do

Mar 5, 2003, 11:28 PM

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?!?!

Brundidge

Mar 5, 2003, 11:29 PM

LOL the serious-ness went down the drain. Shame on you all!

I've always been a gentleman to women and when I go out on dates. Fun personality and strikes and smites with smooth words in conversations. Being able to treat women right and make sure they feel confortable is just a factor I think. I remember one time my ex told me that "you're the kind of person that can make something of themself" cuz I was in hip hop crew and stuff and pulled high grades during highschool.

... and yes I have a penis and cut muscle *flexes and grunts with the baby oil* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I took a crack. You took out the physical part but that's what most boys would talk about the most.

Guntz348

Mar 5, 2003, 11:35 PM

Well whats a man supposed to? If we look at the animal kingdom and break it down to the more basic levels of just insticts, men are the hunter/gatherers. They mark and protect there territory and keep and protect there woman, which in a very basic level is there property. So do I try to help and provide for my family? Sure, as much as a son can do for his parents, since I'm not married yet. While I wouldn't consider a girlfreind property if we were out and I a dangerous situation arose, yes I would feel that its my job to protect her.

So if your difineing a man as the hunter/gatherer/protector then yes I geuss I'd have to say I'm a man. You really have to define what YOU consider to be a man and see if you fall into that catagory.

Do I think that I'm the only one who should have a say in anything? No, I value everyones opinions. Hmmmm I think thats more a shovenist(I didn't spell that right http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ). Hows that for serious? It's about the best my sleep deprived brain can come up with right now.

sharkie-do

Mar 5, 2003, 11:36 PM

Dood! Youre a dude? Get rid of that friggin avatar and title now !!!

sharkie-do

Mar 5, 2003, 11:38 PM

By the way, im talking to brundidge, my old nemesis.

Brundidge

Mar 5, 2003, 11:39 PM

Just be happy we have a penis and don't have to go through child pregnancy Guntz http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
Plus I ain't a man in my mind. I go to community college full time with a part time job and livin' at home to cut the money cost and play PSO.

Brundidge

Mar 5, 2003, 11:41 PM

Hey Sharkie I love women http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
no hate man http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
I love RAmarls! And yes I have a broken heart. I honestly think men get hurt more than women in super serious and close relationships but that's how I felt about my most recent one.

[ This Message was edited by: Brundidge on 2003-03-05 20:47 ]

ABDUR101

Mar 5, 2003, 11:48 PM

Taking responsibility for my actions, taking the initiative to correct those actions if they were wrong. To know when I am wrong and to acknowledge it if someone points out my faults to me.

Thats what I think anyway.

...big tools(...) and so on aren't exactly my cup of tea. I'm not exactly the type to go and buy a big hulking peice of metal machinary and brag about how expensive it was/fast it goes/powerful it is.

This reminds me of the "What makes you a hero" thread, it's subjective.

What makes someone a man could be associated with their physique, their attitude, even the way others think of them.

I'm not sure having the most girl friends, the nicest cars and all the respect in the world will ever make you a man. Infact, from my perspective, it makes you the polar opposite. A child trying to prove something the wrong way.

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:03 AM

Hrm.... hunter/gatherer/protector . . . Sounds alot like me, guys. I'm not buying it. Those are traits that any person can have.

What else can you offer me... other than wedding tackle.

Brundidge

Mar 6, 2003, 12:09 AM

I can offer you Disco 70s Saturdays and breakfast at Denny's at least twice a week. I can clean and cook. Gots a good paying part time job and working on a good education for the future.

Now let's talk about kids http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Gartywood

Mar 6, 2003, 12:10 AM

here is the defining piece of my manhood.

being able to do things by myself. I cant stand all these tools who are like ohhhh my water pump is broken and the garage wants $$$$ to fix it i cant do it myself. I mean seriously you go out and you buy the parts, tools, and a repair manual and you fix it for 1/3 of the garage price (or less) than if you paid someone else to do it. Paying someone to do something for you is a waste of money...I always have like 3 projects going on at once. Right now i have Boat and Bathroom remodel so its a slow week...maybe i can get a little extra pso in

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:17 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:09, Brundidge wrote:
I can offer you Disco 70s Saturdays and breakfast at Denny's at least twice a week. I can clean and cook. Gots a good paying part time job and working on a good education for the future.

Now let's talk about kids http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

COOK??? AND clean!?!

You got me... I'm yours. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

hhehehe

Brundidge

Mar 6, 2003, 12:22 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:17, Subliminalgroove wrote:
COOK??? AND clean!?!

You got me... I'm yours. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

hhehehe

Score! Yes!
I always wanted to learn how to cook cuz I knew in the future women would dig a man. With time and patience the learning paid off http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
Cleaning self explainitory and a personal preferance. I can only get messy to a point and clothes gotta be clean you know. I'm a semi neat freak too. Might as well learn the essential needs: if man wants food man gotta cook food. If man need clothes man should of thought of cleaning clothes.

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:25 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:22, Brundidge wrote:
Might as well learn the essential needs: if man wants food man gotta cook food. If man need clothes man should of thought of cleaning clothes.

exactly. I am no stuck in the kitchen or laundry room woman. I like a man with the guts and independence to figure it out for himself.

Wolfos

Mar 6, 2003, 12:27 AM

What makes a man a man, you cant answer that question. Becouse what makes a man is nothing but looks, thats all. In the past you could of said the mind aswell but lots of guys nowadays have more feministic traits, and to be honest. who cares what makes a man. i think what makes a man is that they have the guts to stand up and say they are a man when someone says otherwise. its as simple as that

Abaddon

Mar 6, 2003, 12:28 AM

This topic is very controversial - for the very reason that different societies and cultures find certain traits or abilities more 'manly' than others.
I know that most of us here arent indigenous, but back then the most highly sought for traits in a man were like what subliminal said earlier: hunters/gatherers/protectors etc. These basic traits and abilities have been encoded into our genes and reflects in our day to day life.

Nowadays, the need to hunt, gather and protect has diminished. In a sense, males have lost a big part of their role in today's society. Our hunting/gathering takes place in the supermarkets, and our protecting to some point is done in the unbiased court of law. Never again do we need to fend for our wives against Wooly Mammoth's or giant bears, the only ones we need to fear are the taxmen and the terrorists.
I don't really beleive that our way of life is predetermined by our gender (save for the physicalities mind you). I.e. boys can bitch behind others backs and girls can hit others.

Anyway as for me, i beleive that being a responsible male means just that. being responsible for your own actions, knowing when to take a stand or when to let things be. Being morally just and fair to everyone no matter their sex, race or creed. And by being a moral and ethical support for those who need it.
Not everyone can follow their beleifs or their ethics all the times, but I do try to follow them as best as I can. People around me have found me to be a good listener and a great support, and while I sometimes can be selfish or arrogant, it's what i try to live for.

And that is my two cents.

Gartywood

Mar 6, 2003, 12:30 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:17, Subliminalgroove wrote:

On 2003-03-05 21:09, Brundidge wrote:
I can offer you Disco 70s Saturdays and breakfast at Denny's at least twice a week. I can clean and cook. Gots a good paying part time job and working on a good education for the future.

Now let's talk about kids http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

COOK??? AND clean!?!

You got me... I'm yours. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

hhehehe

Well on top of my project obsession I'll do all the housework in exchange for your supporting me. let me know so i can drop out of college ASAP

BTW I'm an excellent cook and all my projects will save you lots of money.

[ This Message was edited by: Gartywood on 2003-03-05 21:34 ]

sharkie-do

Mar 6, 2003, 12:34 AM

This married by america show that im watching is ghey! Oh and its like people are saying the same thing over and over again. Whats the deal homesnakes?

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 12:35 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:03, Subliminalgroove wrote:
Hrm.... hunter/gatherer/protector . . . Sounds alot like me, guys. I'm not buying it. Those are traits that any person can have.

What else can you offer me... other than wedding tackle.

They are traits that anyone can have, but I'd prefer them to be in me so that whoever my wife ends up being won't have to be that herself. I don't want a weak wife, but I don't want to be a weak husband. If my wife has there traits too, then cool for us, but I don't want to be relient on a woman anymore than a woman should be relient on a guy. I can cook and clean, change diapers, and most anything else that isn't typically expected of a guy. I guess that it's not so much traits; but also the attitude behind them, or what drives the guy. There is no clear cut way to describe a guy and say, "A woman can't be like this." instead the woman needs to decide what she wants in a guy just like guys should decide what they want in a woman.

Guntz348

Mar 6, 2003, 12:41 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:03, Subliminalgroove wrote:
Hrm.... hunter/gatherer/protector . . . Sounds alot like me, guys. I'm not buying it. Those are traits that any person can have.

What else can you offer me... other than wedding tackle.

The most exilerating 14 seconds of you life! And I'll even make toast in the morning http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:44 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:41, Guntz348 wrote:

The most exilerating 14 seconds of you life! And I'll even make toast in the morning http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

hehehe

Oh my. 14 seconds... Guntz, I . . . ummmm. I don't know what to say. And TOAST. wow. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Brundidge

Mar 6, 2003, 12:45 AM

I got her first guys!

Plus I'll offer to tell you the story of Stella and we'll reinact of how she got her groove back http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

sharkie-do

Mar 6, 2003, 12:45 AM

sadly, i wish i was part of this conversation.

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 12:46 AM

Good lord, this has turned into a dating thread.

*shakes head as he walks away*

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:51 AM

I didn't mean it. Really... It was a joke. Sorry, pixelate. I ruined your thread.

And Brundidge, "You can't hold no groove if you ain't got no pocket!"

So how big is your pocket. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 12:52 AM

*slaps Subliminal*

Next time it comes at you Ninjitsu style. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:55 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:52, hagakura wrote:
*slaps Subliminal*

Next time it comes at you Ninjitsu style. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I'm sorry... truly I am. Just a bit tired. I utterly ruined this thread. And I was legitamatly interested in the answers.

Seriously, guys. Despite my behavior. Lets get back on topic.

Gartywood

Mar 6, 2003, 12:57 AM

I think we need a new thread without all the off topicness

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 12:58 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:57, Gartywood wrote:
I think we need a new thread without all the off topicness

Might be a good idea.

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 01:01 AM

I'll try to state my thoughts clearer.

Different guys will think differently about what makes a man a man. Same with women's view of what a man should be like. A man should decide for himself what standard he will hold himself to, and a woman should decide on a standard to hold a man to. I have my heroes in life, not all of them are men though. You just can't cut it clear enough about "this is a man and this is a woman" when it comes to attitudes and personalities.

pardon my tpyo's, I "cheat" when righting poetry and use spellcheck

and I'm off to bed. someone send me a reminder to come back to this thread, else i'll be stuck with trying to remember on my own

[ This Message was edited by: hagakura on 2003-03-05 22:04 ]

Guntz348

Mar 6, 2003, 01:07 AM

On 2003-03-05 21:44, Subliminalgroove wrote:

On 2003-03-05 21:41, Guntz348 wrote:

The most exilerating 14 seconds of you life! And I'll even make toast in the morning http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

hehehe

Oh my. 14 seconds... Guntz, I . . . ummmm. I don't know what to say. And TOAST. wow. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Oh yeah I'm that kinda man, for your birthday I may even be able to manage 15 seconds! Let's see someone beat that!

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 01:10 AM

On 2003-03-05 22:07, Guntz348 wrote:

Oh yeah I'm that kinda man, for your birthday I may even be able to manage 15 seconds! Let's see someone beat that!

<sigh> Guntzy Guntzy Guntzy. I'm flattered, really. But we are trying to get back on topic.

Hagakura: you are making some sense there. Everyone needs to be who they can be comparing against their own requirements.

Guntz348

Mar 6, 2003, 01:15 AM

ok ok ok, I'm sorry I'll go back to being serious. I don't what makes a man ohhh hows that song go, 'how many roads must a man walk down/before you can all him a man'? It's something like that I think, what I said before was about the best I can come up with on the lack of sleep I've had.
On an off topic note though, (sorry must be the ADD kicking in) you taste in music rocks!

pixelate

Mar 6, 2003, 01:17 AM

I brought this up, because the other day I was talking with the owner of a place I worked at. He told me a story about his maternal parents, and he got sidetracked on a specific part about his step-father and his mother. His mother had five kids already and one on the way. Her husband at the time had left her to deal with the kids on her own. Then she met a new guy. This new guy took care of her and the kids. Everything he had been doing up to that point was put on hold. He found a job and worked to support the six kids. They had a pretty tough time making home life livable up until all the kids eventually left the house. But for all those years, he was willing to put his wife and her kids before himself. He worked humiliating jobs. He swallowed enormous amounts of pride. And 36 years later, he's still with his wife and still holding a job, eventhough he could retire.

To me, that's a man: selfless. (Yes, it can be applied to women as well.)

Subliminalgroove

Mar 6, 2003, 01:25 AM

On 2003-03-05 22:17, pixelate wrote:
I brought this up, because the other day I was talking with the owner of a place I worked at. He told me a story about his maternal parents, and he got sidetracked on a specific part about his step-father and his mother. His mother had five kids already and one on the way. Her husband at the time had left her to deal with the kids on her own. Then she met a new guy. This new guy took care of her and the kids. Everything he had been doing up to that point was put on hold. He found a job and worked to support the six kids. They had a pretty tough time making home life livable up until all the kids eventually left the house. But for all those years, he was willing to put his wife and her kids before himself. He worked humiliating jobs. He swallowed enormous amounts of pride. And 36 years later, he's still with his wife and still holding a job, eventhough he could retire.

To me, that's a man: selfless. (Yes, it can be applied to women as well.)

Wow. That is amazing. You don't find alot of people truly willing to do something like that, man or woman. I am impressed.

Brundidge

Mar 6, 2003, 01:39 AM

I apologize for going off topic guys.

On 2003-03-05 22:01, hagakura wrote:
I'll try to state my thoughts clearer.

Different guys will think differently about what makes a man a man. Same with women's view of what a man should be like. A man should decide for himself what standard he will hold himself to, and a woman should decide on a standard to hold a man to. I have my heroes in life, not all of them are men though. You just can't cut it clear enough about "this is a man and this is a woman" when it comes to attitudes and personalities.

This is how I think about this topic and on a daily basis. I don't know what women want in a "man" but at the same time I'm a little ambitious of what I want in a "woman." But then again I don't like relationships unless I'm really found the woman I want to share my life with. Everyone has their own beliefs and standards. I'm a man because I can take care of myself and contribute help to friends, family, community, etc. As long as I'm living life I want it with no problems and with a smile I'm coo with the fact I achieved this by myself and/or with help of friends.

As of a relationship stand point that's a little deep and I ain't good with relationships. I tell myself once you say your wedding vows to your bride you can't back out. You stick with it till death like how you and your bride dreamed.

RedFox

Mar 6, 2003, 06:07 AM

what makes a man a man?

the inability to think with his brain, but to instead be led by his "puppy"

what makes a woman a woman?

the tight leash on that "puppy"

Phobos-X

Mar 6, 2003, 11:36 AM

in response to pixelate, that dude is a REAL man. not only did he take care of the womans kid...he took care of SIX of those lil mufuggas! in pixelates example i wouldnt be considered a man cuz i aint takin care of no one elses kids...of course these days i wont have much of a choice as all the females where i live at are pregnant with either their 2nd or 3rd child

amoralist

Mar 6, 2003, 11:46 AM

I don't know how else to define man. There shouldn't be any gender roles. If you must put me under one, then I'm more of an androgynous loser.

Gartywood

Mar 6, 2003, 11:54 AM

On 2003-03-05 22:17, pixelate wrote:
I brought this up, because the other day I was talking with the owner of a place I worked at. He told me a story about his maternal parents, and he got sidetracked on a specific part about his step-father and his mother. His mother had five kids already and one on the way. Her husband at the time had left her to deal with the kids on her own. Then she met a new guy. This new guy took care of her and the kids. Everything he had been doing up to that point was put on hold. He found a job and worked to support the six kids. They had a pretty tough time making home life livable up until all the kids eventually left the house. But for all those years, he was willing to put his wife and her kids before himself. He worked humiliating jobs. He swallowed enormous amounts of pride. And 36 years later, he's still with his wife and still holding a job, eventhough he could retire.

To me, that's a man: selfless. (Yes, it can be applied to women as well.)

Um yeah but it seems that it takes most young women a shitty marriage and a divorce before they realize thats what they are looking for. Quite honestly most of the girls I know would rather have a hot guy that treats them like shit that an average guy that would treat them well.

Now let me tell you a story. There are this guy and girl going out for around 3 years. The guy treats her extremely well...come to find out a few months later that she has been cheating on him virtually the whole time and why

SURVEY SAYS

She wanted someone hotter..and she's a whore

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 12:14 PM

On 2003-03-05 22:17, pixelate wrote:
I brought this up, because the other day I was talking with the owner of a place I worked at. He told me a story about his maternal parents, and he got sidetracked on a specific part about his step-father and his mother. His mother had five kids already and one on the way. Her husband at the time had left her to deal with the kids on her own. Then she met a new guy. This new guy took care of her and the kids. Everything he had been doing up to that point was put on hold. He found a job and worked to support the six kids. They had a pretty tough time making home life livable up until all the kids eventually left the house. But for all those years, he was willing to put his wife and her kids before himself. He worked humiliating jobs. He swallowed enormous amounts of pride. And 36 years later, he's still with his wife and still holding a job, eventhough he could retire.

To me, that's a man: selfless. (Yes, it can be applied to women as well.)

That's a great example of what a man should be like. Not sure I could ever do anything like that; but if I was put into a situation simular, I'd at least try.

RedFox

Mar 6, 2003, 12:24 PM

On 2003-03-06 09:14, hagakura wrote:

That's a great example of what a man should be like. Not sure I could ever do anything like that; but if I was put into a situation simular, I'd at least try.

you'd be surprised what you can do under that sort of pressure... when parenting is involved there is no room for the word "try", you either manage or you dont.

its as simple as that

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 12:30 PM

On 2003-03-06 09:24, RedFox wrote:

On 2003-03-06 09:14, hagakura wrote:

That's a great example of what a man should be like. Not sure I could ever do anything like that; but if I was put into a situation simular, I'd at least try.

you'd be surprised what you can do under that sort of pressure... when parenting is involved there is no room for the word "try", you either manage or you dont.

its as simple as that

Luckely, at the age of 22, I've yet to experiance parenthood. I'm just not ready for it yet; having trouble finding work and finishing college, not to mention being single agian lately. I'm sure if I was put under that kind of pressure that I would be more active in finding a new job, and that I would stop caring what exactly the job was as long as it served it's purpose.

Tseng

Mar 6, 2003, 12:56 PM

Well, it's actually kind of hard to explain what exactly I feel a man is supposed to be, so let me post this poem (sorry for taking the space >_<) I keep in my room that has lead me to my perceptions of what I should be.

"If" by Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Fanatic72802

Mar 6, 2003, 01:15 PM

Tseng pretty much summed it up. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I'm in Boy Scouts, and they have 12 things to say about what a man should be.

The Scout Law: "A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent."

I try to live as closely by those 12 points as I can most of the time.

And I also love cooking... You'll love my Rotini ala Parmesan. ^_^;

[ This Message was edited by: Fanatic72802 on 2003-03-06 10:23 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Fanatic72802 on 2003-03-06 10:25 ]

Kemon

Mar 6, 2003, 05:19 PM

mine sticks out the front and i can play with it!
and it gets hard and sometimes people like it like that.

ShieldDragon

Mar 6, 2003, 05:42 PM

Being a man. I don't care about being called a "true man" because everyone has their different opinions on what that should be. "True Man" is only a title anyway. Are you looking for a title?

All I know is what I want to do with my life. Get educated, get a job, be able to support my family.

geewj

Mar 6, 2003, 05:52 PM

Heh, here is a story pertaining to the physical aspect of being a man.

It was christmas time and I was cutting weight for a wrestling tournament the following weekend. My brother, 6'3 and just out of boot camp, was saying he would be able to beat me easy, even if he wernt just out of boot camp. I was 5'5 and 103 at the time and i took him up on the challange. So we go out into an open area and start wrestling. Within 10 seconds I have him on the ground and unable to move. He trys as hard as he can to get out, but he cant so much as lift an arm. After a 5 minuets of trying to escape he admits defeat and i let him go so he can go sit next to his fiance who was watching the whole thing.

Hehehe, oh man do i hang that over his head.

But as long as you can honorably support yourself and family, you're a man. Tseng's poem says what the epitomy of a man is.

A great man once said "We can only be who we are. Nothing more, nothing less".

[ This Message was edited by: Prof_Frink on 2003-03-06 15:00 ]

Atari

Mar 6, 2003, 06:21 PM

yea but pixelate, just because someone puts others before them doesnt make them a man, what your saying more applies to a hero or something along the lines of that, just because someone is caring and selfless doesnt make them a man, or a woman for that matter, lets say their was a wolf pack, and then their was a leader, and he met another wolf with cubs, and he gave up his spot as wolf pack leader so he can help out the other wolf, doesnt make him a man

everything someone has said besides physical traits can be any sex, so the only thing that makes a man a man is the thing between his legs

also what if a total stranger pushed that same woman out of the way of a moving car or something, does that make them a man, no, maybe a hero, that person was just being a hero in a different way

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Ness

Mar 6, 2003, 06:29 PM

I consider a man someone that can stand up for himself, his friends and what he believes in. Also a man must a the male parts.

Vantamiath

Mar 6, 2003, 06:29 PM

Dunno...ask Dr. Phil.

-BK-

Mar 6, 2003, 06:31 PM

On 2003-03-06 15:21, Atari wrote:
everything someone has said besides physical traits can be any sex, so the only thing that makes a man a man is the thing between his legs

A woman can have that surgically added, would it make her a man? No, just a woman with a man part. Any idiot can have kids, it takes a man to be a real father.

Atari

Mar 6, 2003, 06:41 PM

not really
if a woman has a sex change, they are considered a man, thats what a sex change is for, no, caring for your kids is a father not a man, if someone a dad who treated them like shit and then they were adopted and that person treated them like gold, that person would be a father, not a man, caring for children has nothing to do with being a man

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geewj

Mar 6, 2003, 06:45 PM

On 2003-03-06 15:41, Atari wrote:
not really
if a woman has a sex change, they are considered a man, thats what a sex change is for, no caring fo your kids is a father not a man, if someone a dad who treated them like shit and then they were adopted and that person treated them like giold, that person would be a father, not a man, caring for children has nothing to do with being a man

Your taking the word man to literally. The topic isnt about what gender you are, its about the qualities in a male that make him a man. Qualities, not physical characteristics.

[Edit: I know physical characteristics are qualities too, but you know what i mean -_-]

[ This Message was edited by: Prof_Frink on 2003-03-06 15:47 ]