5/18 Official Blog

[Mike]

Are you ready for new information?

Yes? Well, you're going to have to wait a bit more. The official blog (http://ameblo.jp/sega-psblog/entry-11253928648.html) was updated today and there's not a lot of new information posted. According to the blog, today was supposed to be the day the closed beta report was posted but they still haven't finished checking all the bugs from the closed beta. The report should be made available early next week though.

There was some info posted on Lillipa, the desert planet. You've likely heard about most of this before but here it is again.


http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27880
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27881
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27882

The poles of light sticking up from the surface of Lillipa are actually large structures left by the civilization that lived there. Like the rain and lightning on Navelius, Lillipa features dynamic weather, a sand storm in this case. Most of the enemies that show up on Lillipa are Darker enemies, including the El Arda enemy that previously only showed up in the emergency mission in the city. The machine enemies will show up during interrupt events. Let's take a look at them.


Gilnas

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27883
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27885
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27884

Here we have the Gilnas. This is similar to PSO's Dubchic in that it will keep coming at you until you destroy it's core.


Signo Gun

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27889
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27888

This is the Signo Gun. Despite looking like a walking tank, the Signo Gun is fairly quick.


Spardan A / Spargun

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27887
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27886

These four legged enemies are the Spardan and Spargun enemies. The one with guns mounted to it's head in the second picture is the Spargun.


Gwanarda (グワナーダ)

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27890
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27891
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27892

This tenticaled anteater is a boss on Lillipa. However, judging by the third screenshot here, it's probably very similar to the Catadoran on Navelius. The third screen shot wants two of these guys dead.


Lillipa

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27893

Finally, we have the Lillipa. Not much is known about the Lillipa by the Arks but they'll play in to story later on. A design sketch for the Lillipa was also posted on the blog.

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27894

[Dark Emerald EXE]

Ewoks?

[bryanbtje]

No open beta date :(

[moorebounce]

Are the Lillipa supposed to be friendly? I'll be very surprised if George Lucas doesn't have an issue with how similar they look to ewoks. I guess by them looking more like rabbits helps. lol


No open beta date :(

Looks like the CBT stumped them a bit. Rather a whole lot of bit.

[Freshellent]

Are those ewok lookin' things from earlier in the series? I'll wait before I talk smack about em'

[Ce'Nedra]

Wonder if said huge pillar building will become a playable area at some point...sorta like PSO's East and West Tower in the CCA.

Would be damn awesome, PW4 PSO2 style anyone?

[Konflyk]

Ewoks = new playable race? Would be 100x better than beasts.

[CelestialBlade]

Are those ewok lookin' things from earlier in the series? I'll wait before I talk smack about em'
Not that I recognize; I guess the closest Classic equivalent (and this is a stretch) would be Gryz' race on Motavia, in the town of Tonoe.

[spoiler-box]http://www.pscave.com/fanart/ps/nak/gryz1.jpg[/spoiler-box]

But yeah! Ewoks! :D

[Silenttank]

Knee Shields, new meta.

[Freshellent]

Not that I recognize; I guess the closest Classic equivalent (and this is a stretch) would be Gryz' race on Motavia, in the town of Tonoe.

[spoiler-box]http://www.pscave.com/fanart/ps/nak/gryz1.jpg[/spoiler-box]

But yeah! Ewoks! :D

HOW ARE YOU AWAKE AT THIS HOUR?!

DON'T ANSWER MY QUESTION WITH A QUESTION!

Okay well I'll say it, those things are kinda whack.

[Macman]

http://www.pso-world.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1923&pictureid=27887

100AC says they are reskinned Dagans with the exact same AI.

[soulpimpwizzurd]

Are you ready for new information?

Yes? Well, you're going to have to wait a bit more.

miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeee :-x

[Ce'Nedra]

100AC says they are reskinned Dagans with the exact same AI.

You are most likely and sadly right on that one.

[Mike]

100AC says they are reskinned Dagans with the exact same AI.
No need to bet. If you go watch the second fan briefing video, you'll find out how these things move.

[CelestialBlade]

HOW ARE YOU AWAKE AT THIS HOUR?!

DON'T ANSWER MY QUESTION WITH A QUESTION!

Okay well I'll say it, those things are kinda whack.
Because I get to work at 6:15am ;_;

If this does turn into a parody of Return of the Jedi though, I'mma laugh. Just picture them tripping robots and such :lol:

[Gardios]

Ewoks = new playable race? Would be 100x better than beasts.

Yes please...!

[PSO Addict]

Ricardo said that the Lillipas were supposed to become the new mascot? What's wrong with rappies?

[CelestialBlade]

Ricardo said that the Lillipas were supposed to become the new mascot? What's wrong with rappies?
At least they'd be less creepy than other attempts at small, cute creatures...

[spoiler-box]http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/RubyEclipse/lapucha.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[Blackheart521]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U0c-6Z7jyAI/TXaN6Vu7kYI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/VYZSm3FRl64/s1600/charlie-brown-baseball-aaugh.jpg

need... new... info

[PSO Addict]

What he said.

[moorebounce]

Ewoks = new playable race? Would be 100x better than beasts.

I would probably try them out because of them being new. They look like the Popori race in Tera Online 2.

[Angelo]

Are those ewok lookin' things from earlier in the series? I'll wait before I talk smack about em'

If you think they look stupid, then say they look stupid.

A design shouldn't get a thumbs up or down based on their 'retro cred'.

[Rauten]

Are you ready for new information?

Yes? Well, you're going to have to wait a bit more.

Dear Mike,

With all the respect and love in the world: you're an ass.

Regards, Rauten.



Ewoks = new playable race? Would be 100x better than beasts.

Oh no. No no no no no no. These things shouldn't even exist let alone be a fsrking playable ANYTHING.

[AC9breaker]

Ewoks = new playable race? Would be 100x better than beasts.

I support this notion 100%

[Crysteon]

Hmm...Ewoks or Rappies? It's a hard pick ;_;

[buri-chan]

I am all sorts of prepared to fight little ewoks that come up to me knee who have more health than the entire party for no apparent reason. Just like fucking gobs in XI.

[Crysteon]

I am all sorts of prepared to fight little ewoks that come up to me knee who have more health than the entire party for no apparent reason. Just like fucking gobs in XI.

For some reason that reminded me to Valkyrie Profile's Hamsters....those little fuckers had tons of HP and could literally hump you to death.

[Gama]

dunno i'f ill be able to kill those guys... too cute. -.-" and they seem to be inteligent.

[Enforcer MKV]

Ewoks = new playable race? Would be 100x better than beasts.

Actually, I'll take beasts.

[ThePendragon]

Ewoks?


Nope. Furlings.

[soulpimpwizzurd]

i'd prefer ewoks to beasts too. lack of non human-like races you can play with in pretty much all pso games. beasts are just humans with funny ears/mouths.

i'd actually roll ewok if it came out soon enough loool

[GeoSword]

Gilnas looks like a fusion between Sinow Beats and Dubchics, the armor and arms of a Beat, and the body structure of the Dubchic. Spardans look like mechanized version of the floating Dark Gunners.

Also, who turned Venus-Jupiter on its side like that?

Or would that be Jupinus or Venupiter Oh that's Lillipa.

[PSO Addict]

What about picking up hitch-hiking alien races?

[NoiseHERO]

poles of light

structures...

I only guessed that in another thread jokingly..

But those giant structures are like almost the same length as the planet. Even PSZ's tower wasn't that ridiculous. @_@

[Gama]

i wouldn't mind seeing a evolved humanoid dell race that opposed dark falz. or whatever they will call him this time.

think about it... ^^ it would probbly be super anime styled but maybe instead of clothes they could have exoskeletons or something. metalic finish "like in beetles" too much imagination must stop wanting something that wont happen...

[Chik'Tikka]

Nope. Furlings.

lolz, Lillipas look nothing like Furlings+^_^+
[spoiler-box]http://i49.tinypic.com/14dzs06.png[/spoiler-box]

[RocSage]

lolz, Lillipas look nothing like Furlings+^_^+
[spoiler-box]http://i49.tinypic.com/14dzs06.png[/spoiler-box]

But those aren't furlings. Those are a joke.

[Chik'Tikka]

But those aren't furlings. Those are a joke.

hey, it's like 1 of the three times Furlings ever got mentioned in Stargate+^_^+ and that was the only time they ever bothered showing what they might look like!!!
(and the other times they were mentioned someone always said "they sound cute"+^_^+)

[Peejay]

I'm not exactly seeing the resemblance there.

[ThePendragon]

I have seen the real furlings. These are them. I KNOW THINGS.

[RocSage]

hey, it's like 1 of the three times Furlings ever got mentioned in Stargate+^_^+ and that was the only time they ever bothered sowing what they might look like!!!
(and the other times they were mentioned someone always said "they sound cute"+^_^+)

Depends on what you mean "mentioned." They were mentioned several times without naming them, but naming them was when the 4 races were named, the utopia planet, and the 200th episode that is in your picture where they were messing with the fans and used all the jokes of them being ewoks. That was never meant to be anything like what they look like. Also it is Jack that always makes the the "cute" statement in he doesn't see how anything but a cute furry creature would be called furling.

I'm currently watching SG-1 again so that's how i know.

[Resanoca]

Hmm...Ewoks or Rappies? It's a hard pick ;_;
I'll go with the abomination that is their love child.

[Reia]

Spardan A.... just when I was hoping that Lazy SEGA learned the lesson of not making reskins of enemies for different stages!

Doesn't the Signo Guns reminds you those Gekko's from MGS 4?

http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/9/9d/Gekko.jpg

[Zorafim]

i'd prefer ewoks to beasts too. lack of non human-like races you can play with in pretty much all pso games. beasts are just humans with funny ears/mouths.

I kind of agree. As it stands, I think humans and newmans could stand to be more diverse. But going strait alien would be fun, too. I'd play as a Draconian.


At least they'd be less creepy than other attempts at small, cute creatures...

[spoiler-box]http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/RubyEclipse/lapucha.jpg[/spoiler-box]

OvO

[NoiseHERO]

Spardan A.... just when I was hoping that Lazy SEGA learned the lesson of not making reskins of enemies for different stages!

Doesn't the Signo Guns reminds you those Gekko's from MGS 4?

http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/9/9d/Gekko.jpg

No, because PSO2 has better graphics.

[blace]

Spardan A.... just when I was hoping that Lazy SEGA learned the lesson of not making reskins of enemies for different stages!

Doesn't the Signo Guns reminds you those Gekko's from MGS 4?

http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/9/9d/Gekko.jpg
That and the shield on its right leg resembles the Armored Core V game in stance when firing.

[Gardios]

You guys were honestly expecting that every single enemy was going to be unique? That's a silly thing to believe.

[NoiseHERO]

You guys were honestly expecting that every single enemy was going to be unique? That's a silly thing to believe.

No one ever SAID that!

Stop trying to start something!! D<

[blace]

You guys were honestly expecting that every single enemy was going to be unique? That's a silly thing to believe.
Just wondering where the originality has gone and wondering why guys like you want to start something.

[Gardios]

Hey, I didn't start anything... I don't even mind them reusing the skeleton!


Just wondering where the originality has gone
Spider robots in and themselves are hardly original (not that there's nothing wrong with that in the first place). Not reusing the skeleton but making a new one from scratch has nothing to do with originality - they're still spider robots.

[NoiseHERO]

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH RECYCLING OBJECTS IN FICTION!

THAT'S LIKE SAYING, WE'RE COPYING SOME SCI-FI BOOK FROM THE 1930's BECAUSE WE HAVE ROBOTS!

BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WANTING ORIGINALITY EITHER, SO STOP MAKING IT COMPLICATED, YOU BOTH KNOW YOU JUST WANNA FIGHT!

[blace]

Spider robots in and themselves are hardly original (not that there's nothing wrong with that in the first place). Not reusing the skeleton but making a new one from scratch has nothing to do with originality - they're still spider robots.
Currently it resembles too much of two games. I know it's difficult to make something original especially in the past 10 years, but something different than a bipedal mini tank would probably suffice.

[NoiseHERO]

DUN IGNORE WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE IT'S IN ALL CAPITALS THEN PROCEED TO HAVE AN E-BATTLE ANYWAY!!

[CelestialBlade]

Clearly we need robots with 900 legs. But two arms.

Hey, apparently someone manufactured a spider robot (wtf spiders have eight legs people) and the competition went "oh god" and decided to put out a better version. Welcome to manufacturing.

[blace]

Not much of a battle or argument, but putting my thoughts on the latest enemy. I missed the Dubchich's from PSO and glad they have some variant, and was hoping for a Baranz or something resembling it coming back.

[NoiseHERO]

Quad legs are too main stream.

But PSU'S robots didn't even have legs... OR SHOULD I SAY DIDN'T EVEN NEED LEGS, SO PSU IS MORE HIGH TECH, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CARRY THEIR WEAPONS AND ITEMS, NANO TRANSER DAT SHIT!

So that means these robots suck either way!

[Peejay]

Quad legs are too main stream.

But PSU'S robots didn't even have legs... OR SHOULD I SAY DIDN'T EVEN NEED LEGS, SO PSU IS MORE HIGH TECH, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CARRY THEIR WEAPONS AND ITEMS, NANO TRANSER DAT SHIT!

So that means these robots suck either way!

I personally dislike PSU anyways, but let's not get into the logic there.

Cat-tracks, Ski legs? Hover, Wheeled (1,2,3,4,5,6,etc), there's endless combinations of locomotion for the robots. But if it's the abandoned wreck of an ancient advanced civilizations,we won't see the ones that didn't work. We'd see the ones that did and are trying to kill us.

[Omega-z]

Rock - PSU only had two type of bot's without leg's the BUG type bot's and the Dilla Griena.
PSO had more legless foe's then PSU had, just saying not fighting anyone.

they would most likely have Lillipain's as a costume like the Rappy Suit and be a Lillipa Suit. lol a Ninja, Guns Blazing, Sage killer Ewok running around would be epic.

[Reia]

Rock - PSU only had two type of bot's without leg's the BUG type bot's and the Dilla Griena.
PSO had more legless foe's then PSU had, just saying not fighting anyone.

they would most likely have Lillipain's as a costume like the Rappy Suit and be a Lillipa Suit. lol a Ninja, Guns Blazing, Sage killer Ewok running around would be epic.

You forgot the hovering big robos, Deghanna and Maghanna.

[NoiseHERO]

Rock - PSU only had two type of bot's without leg's the BUG type bot's and the Dilla Griena.
PSO had more legless foe's then PSU had, just saying not fighting anyone.

they would most likely have Lillipain's as a costume like the Rappy Suit and be a Lillipa Suit. lol a Ninja, Guns Blazing, Sage killer Ewok running around would be epic.

GOOD, THEN PSO IS BETTER THAN PSO2 TOO THEN-

*troll switch clicks*

WHAT DID I JUST SAY???

[GreenArcher]

Damnit Mike, I got so excited :wacko:

[Ce'Nedra]

GOOD, THEN PSO IS BETTER THAN PSO2 TOO THEN-

*troll switch clicks*

WHAT DID I JUST SAY???

Dude stop being funny, i really can't stop laughing at you in this topic

[Crysteon]

GOOD, THEN PSO IS BETTER THAN PSO2 TOO THEN-


That would be quite interesting to hear....how a game with tons of features and upgrades in battle system is still worse than the basic idea. I guess some people prefer that archaic model of being bitchslapped all the time instead of having ways to defend more actively against enemies.

[NoiseHERO]

That would be quite interesting to hear....how a game with tons of features and upgrades in battle system is still worse than the basic idea. I guess some people prefer that archaic model of being bitchslapped all the time instead of having ways to defend more actively against enemies.

Some people actually DO still think PSO is better than PSO2...

As disturbing as that sounds- no IS...

I can't think of any reasons... how some people can force themselves to find a way to think of PSO as this perfect game that magically makes for all of it's own flaws in every way possible when compared to any of it's modernized children. But if it was really that great, they'd just play that instead of nagging for all of the sequels to be more like it... @_@

LIKE SERIOUSLY! WHO ARE THEY KIDDING

That being said *FLICKS TROLL SWITCH BACK ON* PSU > PSO2. <- Seriously I said this once in the lobbies in CBT and everyone FLIPPED on me! It was so delicious. I wonder if it comes from people being gullible, or that there's actually people out there fanboyish enough to think that way... but being PSU it should be obvious, so I'm going with the former.

[goldwing]

Im kinda suprised they even posted anything at all this week. I had my mind set on next week or even the week after that for anything.

[RocSage]

Some people actually DO still think PSO is better than PSO2...

As disturbing as that sounds- no IS...

I can't think of any reasons... how some people can force themselves to find a way to think of PSO as this perfect game that magically makes for all of it's own flaws in every way possible when compared to any of it's modernized children. But if it was really that great, they'd just play that instead of nagging for all of the sequels to be more like it... @_@

LIKE SERIOUSLY! WHO ARE THEY KIDDING

That being said *FLICKS TROLL SWITCH BACK ON* PSU > PSO2. <- Seriously I said this once in the lobbies in CBT and everyone FLIPPED on me! It was so delicious. I wonder if it comes from people being gullible, or that there's actually people out there fanboyish enough to think that way... but being PSU it should be obvious, so I'm going with the former.

It depends on what you mean by "better." PSO is definitely better designed than PSU, but is it better overall? PSO doesn't age well due to what it is. Action based games will always be due to better control designs, interfaces, and ways we can think of to kill others. I'd also say that the level design being more than just lobby and mission maps in PSU is also better, but that depends on what you are looking for and how big the player base is. I would however say that PSO has many more better qualities than PSU. I don't know about PSO2 yet as it's not fully released but it does seem to be better than PSU in most of the aspects that it is better than PSO and takes some of the things that are better from PSO so it at least is 2nd ranked out of the 3.

[Gama]

i can honestly say i had more fun with pso, psu was fun but... someting was missing. and i didnt like the large amount of lobby's, scattered everyone.

psu was better in personalization, chat functions, gfx, but lacked some basic mechanics pso had.

they made things that didnt need to be complicated complicated and simplified the things we did like to be more complex.

i think with pso2 they got this fixed. and by watching the videos i can say pso2 will be better then pso.

[kyuuketsuki]

No, because PSO2 has better graphics.
Admittedly, it's been a while since I played MGS4, but from what I remember I would rate MGS4's graphics higher than PSO2's.

That would be quite interesting to hear....how a game with tons of features and upgrades in battle system is still worse than the basic idea. I guess some people prefer that archaic model of being bitchslapped all the time instead of having ways to defend more actively against enemies.
I don't understand where that line of reasoning comes from. PSO is not a "basic idea", it's a full-fledged game with it's own strengths and weaknesses. It's quite possible, and legitimate, for someone to find it superior to a newer game in the franchise. Newer does not always mean better. In my experience, that's the case more often than not.

Also, "features" like jumping, manual blocking/dodging, etc. are not some sort of inevitable technological progression. They're different, and you can have a preference for one system vs another, but nothing about PSO's combat and mechanics are objectively "outdated". People's memories of that time seem to be fuzzy, but there were in fact games of that era (and games that came well before that era) with all the "features" PSO2 has. It's just as ridiculous as people who claim that first person is the ultimate viewpoint that evolved as a result of some imaginary technological progress in video game cameras, and that viewpoints like overhead or isometric are "antiquated".

Necessary disclaimer: I am not in any way saying PSO2 sucks, or that PSO is an objectively better game to everything that came before or will ever come after. That's not the point.

[NoiseHERO]

Admittedly, it's been a while since I played MGS4, but from what I remember I would rate MGS4's graphics higher than PSO2's.

You can tell just from that picture alone MGS4 has better graphics I was jok-

[kyuuketsuki]

You can tell just from that picture alone MGS4 has better graphics I was jok-
Well, I should have known since it is you, but sometimes I still make the mistake of taking things I read on the Internet at face value despite the source.

[NoiseHERO]

Well, I should have known since it is you, but sometimes I still make the mistake of taking things I read on the Internet at face value despite the source.

The internet is the worst place to do that! D:

[Enforcer MKV]

Spardan A.... just when I was hoping that Lazy SEGA learned the lesson of not making reskins of enemies for different stages!

Doesn't the Signo Guns reminds you those Gekko's from MGS 4?

http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/9/9d/Gekko.jpg

Actually...no, no it doesn't.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say those Gekkos look retarded, while the Signo Guns....don't.

I will say the Spardan A's remind me of the security bot from Metroid Fusion, though. If only slightly.

[Resanoca]

Actually...no, no it doesn't.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say those Gekkos look retarded, while the Signo Guns....don't.

Yeah, but I'd like for our version to make cow noises as well.

[Kazzi]

Haha glad to see I'm not the only one who thought of Metal Gear when I saw those legs.

[youcantcatchtheblue]

but nothing about PSO's combat and mechanics are objectively "outdated". People's memories of that time seem to be fuzzy, but there were in fact games of that era (and games that came well before that era) with all the "features" PSO2 has.


Well, there were OFFLINE games that had similar action mechanics as PSO2, but ONLINE would have been completely impossible at that time, imo... I mean, some people were playing PSO on a 56k modem. Even if they originally intended PSO to have PSO2's battle mechanics it just wouldn't have been physically possible.

I'm still amazed at how much action CAN happen in PSO2 considering it's an MMO. I don't think people realize how much effort it takes to make an online action game that's full-on fast paced with smooth gameplay. Sakai's team have really outdone themselves and it's a great leap in technology for online games as a whole.

[Enforcer MKV]

I'm still amazed at how much action CAN happen in PSO2 considering it's an MMO. I don't think people realize how much effort it takes to make an online action game that's full-on fast paced with smooth gameplay. Sakai's team have really outdone themselves and it's a great leap in technology for online games as a whole.

Quoted for truth.

[SPOILER-BOX]I read an article (sorry if this accidentally derails the thread) about the Elder Scrolls Online, and they said MMO's being what they were, they couldn't do action-esque combat. That made me laugh.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]sorry about the blackened section...I remember a war that went on the last time someone called PSO/U/whateveryoulike that. Not pretty.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Vashyron]

Well, there were OFFLINE games that had similar action mechanics as PSO2, but ONLINE would have been completely impossible at that time, imo... I mean, some people were playing PSO on a 56k modem. Even if they originally intended PSO to have PSO2's battle mechanics it just wouldn't have been physically possible.

I'm still amazed at how much action CAN happen in PSO2 considering it's an MMO. I don't think people realize how much effort it takes to make an online action game that's full-on fast paced with smooth gameplay. Sakai's team have really outdone themselves and it's a great leap in technology for online games as a whole.


....? The combat interactions are largely client side, nothing being done here is a "great leap in technology."

[Blackheart521]

....? The combat interactions are largely client side, nothing being done here is a "great leap in technology."

It isn't a "great leap in technology" from a point of games in general but for MMO games(even though pso isn't technically mmo but whatever) it is very much a useful thing to add into the genre... I've never played an action MMO that compensated for lag by placing everyone's actions on their screen as what they put into the battle, usually games cancel out or wait until everything is synched perfectly to throw the damage on after lag... this makes sure everyone is playing the game as they see it, not a laggy mess that can mess up an action game's battles.

[Enforcer MKV]

....? The combat interactions are largely client side, nothing being done here is a "great leap in technology."

I dunno, when you look at how combat in WoW and such plays out, and since so many companies just copy that, it's not so hard to see the view Blue is coming from. Maybe not from a strictly technological standpoint. But compared to a lot of online games (and I mostly mean MMOs) PSO2's combat really is what I'd call leaps and bounds above. It's just more fun.

EDIT: BLAST YOU BLACKHEART! YOU BE NINJA'IN ME POSTS! *Shakes fist angrily* :-P

[youcantcatchtheblue]

....? The combat interactions are largely client side, nothing being done here is a "great leap in technology."

Ok ok, I'll take your word for it since you've done quite a bit of data mining on the PSO2 client.

It doesn't necessarily need to be the case that they've invented some sort of "new technology" to make advancements in this field. If they've convinced me that every time I shoot a RockBear in the face data gets calculated and comes back to me in the time frame between the actual hit and when the damage counter shows up on my screen then that's all they have to do to impress me. It just means they cheated a little by handling most of the workload client-side, but no one who doesn't hack the game should be able to tell the difference ;)

[Omega-z]

Reia - True PSU has the bosses and so does PSO, I think they were just thinking the minion's only at this point.

It would be cool to see a Heavy Aerial Long-Ranged Combat Fighter like a flying Baranz/Garanz or something along those lines.

[NoiseHERO]

You guys are seriously still talking about that troll comment I made about robot legs/hovering? D:

I drank like 6 redbulls today and people are still taking everything I say seriously. D:

[PSO Addict]

Sounds lke such a "challenge accepted" moment, but I wouldn't.

[Crysteon]

I don't understand where that line of reasoning comes from. PSO is not a "basic idea", it's a full-fledged game with it's own strengths and weaknesses. It's quite possible, and legitimate, for someone to find it superior to a newer game in the franchise. Newer does not always mean better. In my experience, that's the case more often than not.

Perhaps I should have explained myself better on that point. I meant PSO was a basic idea because the concept and core gameplay mechanics keep themselves latent on every successor of the series (mostly its own online game archetype: kill stuff, explore places, earn exp and money, get rares, party with all kinds of people, environmental music composition, dealing with boss monsters, etc, etc, etc), totally excluding the classic series because those are fully offline.

Newer doesn't mean better...I wouldnt agree more with that.

And yeah...I know that jumping, blocking and dodging is nothing new at all, but I think it gives the game itself a twist and more versatility.

[Omega-z]

Well Rock, in a way it's intriguing on how thing are. And the possibilities they could go with this game. That too you can't have Si-Fi without Robot's, They make things more fun.:)

I think they need more Aerial Long-Ranged Combat Fighter's in general since there's like 3 flying type foe's so far. Hmmm did they say at one point there were Canadine/ Canane ; Canabin/ Canune type fighter's in PSO2?

The thing that get's me is why are the robot's only event and the darker's normal? I think it should be the other way around. thoughts?

[Vashyron]

It isn't a "great leap in technology" from a point of games in general but for MMO games(even though pso isn't technically mmo but whatever) it is very much a useful thing to add into the genre... I've never played an action MMO that compensated for lag by placing everyone's actions on their screen as what they put into the battle, usually games cancel out or wait until everything is synched perfectly to throw the damage on after lag... this makes sure everyone is playing the game as they see it, not a laggy mess that can mess up an action game's battles.

It can be a design choice, where one reason could be the person developing another Online Action RPGs rather everyone be in at least near perfect synch for better team play?


I dunno, when you look at how combat in WoW and such plays out, and since so many companies just copy that, it's not so hard to see the view Blue is coming from. Maybe not from a strictly technological standpoint. But compared to a lot of online games (and I mostly mean MMOs) PSO2's combat really is what I'd call leaps and bounds above. It's just more fun.

EDIT: BLAST YOU BLACKHEART! YOU BE NINJA'IN ME POSTS! *Shakes fist angrily* :razz:

Sounds more like qualms with the genre choice of other MMOs such as WoW being "point and click."

So far from PSO to PSU to PSO2 they have sacrificed having total synch with each client to allow smooth gameplay, even without a "fast/stable" connection. Ok. It works well with the small number of players.

Now how about you imagine PSO2 having the same max player in combat count as other typical MMOs, I wouldn't be able to stress on how terrible this would be with the current setup on client synch.
It gets somewhat bad already with the current max of 12 players if the majority are using knockback/grappling weapons.

It can be a acceptable sacrifice with small player numbers I feel. I'd only find it a true technological advancement when we get to the point that we can have "flawless smooth" gameplay with synched clients and "massive" amount of players.


Ok ok, I'll take your word for it since you've done quite a bit of data mining on the PSO2 client.

It doesn't necessarily need to be the case that they've invented some sort of "new technology" to make advancements in this field. If they've convinced me that every time I shoot a RockBear in the face data gets calculated and comes back to me in the time frame between the actual hit and when the damage counter shows up on my screen then that's all they have to do to impress me. It just means they cheated a little by handling most of the workload client-side, but no one who doesn't hack the game should be able to tell the difference ;)

Actually having numbers pop up is serverside, but stuff like interactions with knocking back monsters and them doing the same to you is client side, same goes for their movement and things such as your own PP recharging being client side. If there are a few connection issues this can make it so it's not such a issue as the damage numbers can pop up later. Though downside of all of this makes it very easy to desynch with non boss monsters. (Bosses can't be knocked around so for the most part they are synched with every player correctly.)

This all could be noticed fairly easily when playing the Beta during those instances where the servers were getting hammered. Or in instances if you ever got disconnected with an error message you could see monsters still move and toss you around.

So yes they basically have "cheated" in that regard to keep the gameplay smooth. :>

[Enforcer MKV]

I definitely agree with the sync issue. It was kinda weird not having the locations of the monsters match up. And honestly, no, I don't really have an issue with that (clicking) style of play. People enjoy it, and it's fun for them. I'm not gonna run around calling them retarded for liking that. That's...kinda dumb, in my opinion. I'm just saying, it terms of action games, the gameplay of PSO2 just....flows better. And honestly, it's more fun, if you ask me, then just clicking a button and watching an animation. PSO2's style is just more engaging.

I only made the comparison Between PSO2 and WoW because Blue made the reference to MMOs in their post, so, I went with a well known MMO for comparision. I just kinda wish they'd work on getting that sync fixed up.

[soulpimpwizzurd]

You guys are seriously still talking about that troll comment I made about robot legs/hovering? D:

I drank like 6 redbulls today and people are still taking everything I say seriously. D:

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[Lance813]

I can't believe we're going pretty much the entire month of May with no more information this close to release... I hope this cloud over my head moves on.

[Enforcer MKV]

I can't believe we're going pretty much the entire month of May with no more information this close to release... I hope this cloud over my head moves on.

Well, Mike said that we're probably gonna get more information early 'next week', which I'm assuming means anywhere from the Monday ~ Wednesday frame. We're almost there....

....drought.....almost.....over.......Must.....hol d on....a little.....longer. /Shatner

[moorebounce]

Some people actually DO still think PSO is better than PSO2...

Don't count me in that camp but I do think PSO is better than PSU. Actually they should've took the "S" out of PSU cause it stank.

[NoiseHERO]

I can't believe we're going pretty much the entire month of May with no more information this close to release... I hope this cloud over my head moves on.

Yeeaaahh like MKV said from what Mike and Ric tells up, We were supposed to get all the stats from CBT or something. (I'll find that one pretty interesting to see actually)

Otherwise the only thing we DON'T know about as of right now, is WHEN OBT is going to be released.

Which I'll assume is REALLY SOON, and at that point everyone can shut up about everything, calm their faces, and just go back to being normal non-psycho-edge-withdrawing-fanboys and play the game and nobody will care about anything else anymore until people start reaching level caps.

And I'll be there to troll them.

[Macman]

And I'll be there to troll them.
Trolling must be expensive when you require 6 cans of liquid sugar to do it, though.

[NoiseHERO]

Trolling must be expensive when you require 6 cans of liquid sugar to do it, though.

I was never trolling when I'm sober? D:

You're right I'm too good for trolling.

And I didn't REALLLY have 6 cans of redbulls, it was really one of those powershot thingies that are just as bad.... as 6 redbulls.

STEP YO GAME UP MACMAN

[Lance813]

Yeeaaahh like MKV said from what Mike and Ric tells up, We were supposed to get all the stats from CBT or something. (I'll find that one pretty interesting to see actually)

Otherwise the only thing we DON'T know about as of right now, is WHEN OBT is going to be released.

Which I'll assume is REALLY SOON, and at that point everyone can shut up about everything, calm their faces, and just go back to being normal non-psycho-edge-withdrawing-fanboys and play the game and nobody will care about anything else anymore until people start reaching level caps.

And I'll be there to troll them.

Yeah, We were supposed to get the CBT stats on the 18th but we'll get them early this week.

I seriously think my only post release forum posting will be in trading threads and staying away from shit posting. The force is strong with this one.

[lostinseganet]

Some people actually DO still think PSO is better than PSO2...

As disturbing as that sounds- no IS...

I can't think of any reasons... how some people can force themselves to find a way to think of PSO as this perfect game that magically makes for all of it's own flaws in every way possible when compared to any of it's modernized children. But if it was really that great, they'd just play that instead of nagging for all of the sequels to be more like it... @_@

LIKE SERIOUSLY! WHO ARE THEY KIDDING

That being said *FLICKS TROLL SWITCH BACK ON* PSU > PSO2. <- Seriously I said this once in the lobbies in CBT and everyone FLIPPED on me! It was so delicious. I wonder if it comes from people being gullible, or that there's actually people out there fanboyish enough to think that way... but being PSU it should be obvious, so I'm going with the former.Being able to play with everyone in the world was a BIGGG draw.