Girl vs Guy

[Ranmaru]

sHi there. Lately I saw some heated arguments about the female playerbase and their skill. I wanted to give my piece on this. I am here to seriously give an opinion. If preferred, I can make a quick topic and anyone who would like to discuss further (if the topic is locked) can discuss further there.

I encourage females and males to give their opinions.

"Are girls as interested in videogames as us?"

Sure, but I have only seen a few. I'll give examples:

Super Smash bro's melee. Casually (at home) there were a few that played. Some were newish to it, were meh. One was strictly a roy player, which was interesting. I'd say it was mostly casual. Now, competitive. I have seen a few compete. Let's see. One in Pittsburgh, was new to it. To me, that seemed like a girl going in 'hard' (I think) because she knows she is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to experience/skill, and melee there is a ton. Only two I know that play well competitively, one that I had a 1-2 bout and lost. ;-; The other pwn me. (I'm sure there are a few that people may know by name and scores alone) Now, my girlfriend has played it, and competed. But mostly due to the social environment, not due to winning. She is a good lowbie though. I'm sure there are more girls that play Brawl, I don't know much of them tho. I'm sure there may be some high level brawl girl players. I have played with a few girls on LoL as well, and some had done well. I don't have any high level 'examples' because I don't think I'm even near a middle level yet. I still am in the 'practicing' mode, and I haven't played LoL since PSO2. xD

Skill Level

Most girls I have seen, have sadly been at the casual level. For me, it would be interesting to play with a girl at a higher level than that, but not to date. The problem... that occurs is when that girl BEATS us. WHOOOOOOO WEEE. Embarrassment. Yes, I'm being honest. Although, I'll take that loss. I'll just lose a little pride. ^^; Well I don't really have a problem with losing. You know why? Because I lost for a reason. Because that girl, outplayed me. Same as when I lose to a guy that outplays me. Would I stop playing with that girl or all who witnessed that? No. I'd just recognize that she can outplay me (and maybe consistently depending on how close the match was). Plus, I'd strive to improve in my own way. Some guys may just get really mad and try to create excuses as to why he lost to a girl. If you have done that, shame on you. The reason I want to play a girl with a higher level than casual, is to experience near 'losing' to her. Why? Because it would be fun to be at the same skill level with a girl. It would be fun to be at the same level, because then we can TALK about game theory, deep game theory. You can't do that with a girl who is entry level or is just playing casually.

Interest

Now some reasons for why girls play 'casually' may be because they aren't as interested in 'winning' and may just want to have fun regardless of skill. Or would rather spend time playing RPG's, something that just takes time instead of skill. I tried to get my girlfriend to play LoL, she was interested in at at all. My friend tried to get his girlfriend to play Starcraft, same reaction. My girlfriend MIGHT play PSO2. She doesn't like grinding though so... :/ There you go.

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So. I do think girls have the ability to be good at videogames. It's just that I don't think we notice because female players are a minority. How many times have I been beated by a girl at a game? I'll say uniquely, two, three times? Yes, I have lost to my girlfriend in melee. I consistently beat her tho, but she has improved. (Doc vs Icies) I don't play much fighting games, not good at them. Other games, I can't really recall at the top of my head. Pokemon? Yes, actually. I don't do well with pokemon though. (I haven't spent that much time)

Also, when I see "Yeah all girls suck at games anyways" I kind of see it as a whiny retort to noticing that not may girls play at the level we'd like, from my POV. More like, a justification for why men dominate *coughareronerycough* the game.

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Another thing. Girls, if you know you are a good player, just show us by example. Either giving records of your good scores, or playing with us males in any game you'd like, or we'd like. I don't play much of the new games tho. 8-)

Anyways, if this gets locked, or you would rather speak else where, PM me and we could discuss privately, or in quick topic. : D (Quick topic, everyone can go there that has been given the link, no one else can see it since it's private ;o )

[NoiseHERO]

Both have boobs.

one has a vagina, the other has a...beard.

[BIG OLAF]

Are girls as interested in video games as guys?

On a general scale, no.

On a more personal scale, however, I know (and have been/am still friends with) a large number of female gamers.

Am I embarrassed when they're "better" than me at a video game? Yeah, sure am. But! I'm embarrassed when anyone beats me at a game, especially one I 'think' I'm good at. I'm not sexist in that regard (thinking women are unable to do things as good as men, since everyone has individual skill sets and experiences).

[Ranmaru]

OHHH another example. ITG. And yes I have been beaten by a girl in that as well, more than one. I need to practice that ALOT more.

Also keep in mind that I don't play as many recent games as other 'young'ins' do. I'm more interested in games like Rainbow Six Las Vegas 2, Blur, Lumines, Smash Bros, Naruto Clash of Ninja, etc. ANd of course ITG/DDR. I will try out fighting games tho.

[Leviathan]

Girls have the same ability to be as good and even better at things than guys in anything.

I can bet that girls would be more interested in video games if they weren't questioned about their knowledge. (Keeping records for games, really?) It's basically the same with comic books too. Guys can come into any hobby and be seen as merely interested in that hobby, but when a woman comes into a typically male-dominated hobby she is seen as a woman first and anything that entails within that hobby as second or third.

I stopped telling guys I play video games because they got all huffy and holier-than-thou when I'm not 'up to par' with what ever they play (Me: I like MGS series. Guy: That's not a real game. Real games are CoD, CoD, CoDDy CoD, CoD.) or going to stores and the clerk asking if I'm buying Bioshock for my boyfriend. :disapprove:

[Nitro Vordex]

So this isn't talking about a locked thread? Okay then.

I don't care either way what gender you are when you play, you can still suck. You can also be good. You can also be an asshat. Team Fortress 2 for example, I've heard girl gamers on there, but most of the guys there are all like "eh". We play the game as we were before and not be suckups. It's only like the one kid who doesn't even know how to voice chat that tries to get the girl to be friends with him and play games with him.

It's embarrassing, really.

[blace]

Females get a lot of grief over it, but can that be helped considering what predetermines a girls taste when they're generalized with Barbie, ponies, rainbows and other such things?

The game I play on PC, aside from PSO 2, has a large number of females in its userbase, each one doing drastically well and seem to be more proficient than myself and other males.

The girls I know only play casual games. Otherwise, some of the best players I've met have all been online and are reasonable older than myself though. The younger girls tend to drop the game after a few match ups, due to frustration of the games design and control scheme.

[NoiseHERO]

Men suck at games all they do is play COD.
Women suck at games all they do is play Tetris.

VIDEOGAMES ARE FOR KIDULTS! AND WHATEVER A "REAL GAMER" IS!

[Akaimizu]

I also have a number of female friends on Xbox Live. Real gamers as well. That is, just like me, they often use gaming as a thing to wind down with. Some which are also dungeon-hacker fiends.

I absolutely don't get embarrased if a girl bests me at a videogame. To me, it's an expected and normal competition just like the next person. The motto is, there's always people better than you, and any human (or inhuman with the right digits) can destroy your score.

Heck, I already know a girl who could destroy Left 4 Dead (Xbox Live) on the hardest level, because that's how she rolls. And she wasn't even 10 years old yet. I still consider her the Left 4 Dead master. I'd partner with her anytime if I have to ever face the undead.

Still, society is always slow to change, and in the past it seemed that most girls were disuaded from the videogames. 'Cept for the ones that said "screw you" to peer pressure or other pressures, this is fun. As time goes on, I see the discrepancy becoming a distant memory.

[Ghost Inside]

Ugh... Great. Yet another one of these sort of topics. <_<

So let me get this straight, if you don't play competitivey with other people you're a 'casual' player? Isn't that a nice way to divide it? <.<

I've mostly played console games through the years and those were, you know, not online. You had it in your living room and that was it. For me that meant mostly playing on my own.

There have been some games on PC, mostly MMOs, don't have a lot to say about those I do run into a lot of other girls/women though.

Aside from that I've mostly played Brood War, Diablo II, WarCraft3... Games where you don't seem to socialise much and don't have a character per se (for the former and latter anyway and Diablo II is well... Diablo II). So it was always best to pick something neutral for names and keep quiet or you'd have a whole bunch of creeps and idiots bothering you before you knew it!
And then people wonder why you don't see many girls at events when the people that do show up are that same community. Yes, gee I wonder why!

[.Rusty.]

let me drop some stats on yo ass. With a lil help from the guys and gals who brought you E3.

47% of gamers are female

http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_EF_2012.pdf

and back in 2010 42% of online players women.

http://www.theesa.com/facts/pdfs/ESA_Essential_Facts_2010.PDF

This was made from surveys and account data so not 100% accurate. But thats still a pretty big slice of the pie.:wacko:

You just wont find that many women who are open about it online because there are a lot of assholes and desperate creeps running around online. Especially in the fighting game community.

[Xefi]

Ugh... Great. Yet another one of these sort of topics. <_<

So let me get this straight, if you don't play competitivey with other people you're a 'casual' player? Isn't that a nice way to divide it? <.<

I've mostly played console games through the years and those were, you know, not online. You had it in your living room and that was it. For me that meant mostly playing on my own.

There have been some games on PC, mostly MMOs, don't have a lot to say about those I do run into a lot of other girls/women though.

Aside from that I've mostly played Brood War, Diablo II, WarCraft3... Games where you don't seem to socialise much and don't have a character per se (for the former and latter anyway and Diablo II is well... Diablo II). So it was always best to pick something neutral for names and keep quiet or you'd have a whole bunch of creeps and idiots bothering you before you knew it!
And then people wonder why you don't see many girls at events when the people that do show up are that same community. Yes, gee I wonder why!

pretty much like me. i usually play games offline by myself mostly. unless they're like a coop games.
i like cooping with others, but when it comes down to competition or PVP games, i'm shy away.
maybe cause i dont like to deal with asshats and annoying brats giving me STUPID messages.

i've play with a few guys and girls every now and then from the old days with PSU. i dont really
care about the genders and stuffs. i see everyone as just another players online. unless that
person annoys me to no end whether you're a guy or girl, i'll ignore them and move on. plain and simple.

i've seen a guy begs for my items, i've seen girl begs for my items. if you're polite, i'll just give them
to you anyways. there is no need for begging from me.

when i was in High School, there was this tomboy girl that can best everyone in "Counter-Strike".
i was like "jesus christ!" nobody was able to best her at all. she was just killing everyone left to
right...lol. so whatever, all in all, when it comes down to it, we're all the SAME; a guy can be
good at games, a girl can be good at games. WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTERS WHO'S BETTER?! we are ALL gamers!

NEXT big thing i'll start seeing is: "OMG, my grandma is playing games now?!" :cat:

[Polly]

I want to strangle people through the internet.

But I guess I'd better get a big strong man to do it for me cause of my dainty little hands and lack of strength TEEHEE SILLY BOYS, fuck yourself.

[amtalx]

The split between male and female gamers is pretty even, but the bulk of the female percentage comes from facebook and social gaming. Some ‘core’ gamers don’t like to consider them within the gamut of gaming, but it’s there.

Skill is just a combination of practice, innate talent, and luck. The ol’ twig and berries don’t really help with those. That said, a majority of highly skilled players for high profile games (Battlefield, CoD, Halo, etc.) are male simply because the player base is predominately male as well. Those games aren’t marketed toward women, nor are they designed to be attractive to them either. They are intended to exploit the 18-35 year old male demographic and all the disposable income they supposedly have.

[Ranmaru]

I want to strangle people through the internet.

Ok, if you don't have anything to 'input', leave the thread. Thank you.


Ugh... Great. Yet another one of these sort of topics. <_<

So let me get this straight, if you don't play competitivey with other people you're a 'casual' player? Isn't that a nice way to divide it? <.<

I've mostly played console games through the years and those were, you know, not online. You had it in your living room and that was it. For me that meant mostly playing on my own.

There have been some games on PC, mostly MMOs, don't have a lot to say about those I do run into a lot of other girls/women though.

Aside from that I've mostly played Brood War, Diablo II, WarCraft3... Games where you don't seem to socialise much and don't have a character per se (for the former and latter anyway and Diablo II is well... Diablo II). So it was always best to pick something neutral for names and keep quiet or you'd have a whole bunch of creeps and idiots bothering you before you knew it!
And then people wonder why you don't see many girls at events when the people that do show up are that same community. Yes, gee I wonder why!

When I say casual, I just mean when it comes to that particular game. Maybe they are pretty good or even competive at some other game. But when it came to me saying "sadly, the girls I have played with mostly" were casual. (with the games I played them in) Not because they didn't play competitively, but because they weren't as invested, or weren't as good as me in that specific game. (In my opinion) And yes, there were a few that were as good, or better than me. So no ">_>" from you.

If it seemed like I implied casual = not competitive, I am sorry. I mean for casual to say 'playing a game for fun' instead of winning, and not really advancing in skill. If you think that I'm still wrong, please present categories that are more accurate then what I stated. : D

And yes, I'm usually in the mindset of winning, while having fun.

Also keep in mind that I don't run into 'alot' of girls. Only a few. So if you are getting upset... I'm sorry, but I'm giving my pov.

[Polly]

Ok, if you don't have anything to 'input', leave the thread. Thank you.

Contributing trash to a trash thread. Gonna make myself at home and ain't even care. Thank you!

[Ark22]

Not gonna lie, but girls are Gods at those Facebook Social games. Keep getting notifications saying "HEY, (insert name) WANTS YOU TO JOIN, FARMVILLE"

[Ranmaru]

The split between male and female gamers is pretty even, but the bulk of the female percentage comes from facebook and social gaming. Some ‘core’ gamers don’t like to consider them within the gamut of gaming, but it’s there.

Skill is just a combination of practice, innate talent, and luck. The ol’ twig and berries don’t really help with those. That said, a majority of highly skilled players for high profile games (Battlefield, CoD, Halo, etc.) are male simply because the player base is predominately male as well. Those games aren’t marketed toward women, nor are they designed to be attractive to them either. They are intended to exploit the 18-35 year old male demographic and all the disposable income they supposedly have.

Ah ok, and I can see why a girl may not be as interested due to how a game is made or marketing. Another point I want to give is that when I usually try to compete for SSBM, it's usually a sausage fest lol, bar a few girls. (And a fraction of them just support their boyfriend, which is understandable) So what I'm trying to share is that, I can't KNOW much about the female players if they are quiet, or hiding. I am already seeing friction in this thread (just a little), and don't understand why. :-? I can understand if someone gets upset if I used a wrong term, or just applied it wrong. But don't get mad at me for stating MY POV. (Of what I have seen) I do understand why a female would hide, and i'm not saying they should reveal themselves. I'm saying try to understand me. ^^ (And in return, I'll try to understand you)

Also forgot to mention, that I would see a bit more girls in games like DDR/ITG. (ITG and Melee were the only things I ever competed with money wise)

I just don't get the "not this topic again". Also keep in mind I don't check the forums as much as you guys do, so please shed the light.

[NoiseHERO]

Oh god...

Howd you guys turn this into arguing about guy gamer vs girl gamer... AND competitive gamer vs casual gamer + arguing over their definitions?! D:

WH- No...

Forget it...

*Get's the popcorn*

[Halcyote]

I want to strangle people through the internet.

But I guess I'd better get a big strong man to do it for me cause of my dainty little hands and lack of strength TEEHEE SILLY BOYS, fuck yourself.
don't forget to ask said big strong man how to turn on your computer

because no girls on internet amirite

[BIG OLAF]

TEEHEE SILLY BOYS, fuck yourself.

B-b-but!

:cry:

[Xefi]

I just don't get the "not this topic again". Also keep in mind I don't check the forums as much as you guys do, so please shed the light.

Hi Ranmaru, there was a topic of such a little while back and it didnt go well. might or might not
have anything in common, but it did got some people ANGRY.

here you go: http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198813

maybe that sort of spark a FIRE and that fire kind of gotten carry over here as well.


But anyways, in the great words of Angelo: "I don't see this thread ending well..." :cat:

[Zeota]

Not gonna lie, but girls are Gods at those Facebook Social games. Keep getting notifications saying "HEY, (insert name) WANTS YOU TO JOIN, FARMVILLE"

LOL I have an aunt who does this quite a bit. For that reasons I have invites blocked for all those games.

Veering more on topic, I think that one's environment has a lot to do with interest. Did the girl grow up in a gaming household with gamer siblings (or even parents)? Did they grow up in an overly competitive environment? Quite a few internal/external factors come into play. As others have pointed out, the industry doesn't really market to its female audience that well.

[CelestialBlade]

There's nothing special about being a female gamer, the only reason it ever got a term is because of male gamers with a "no gurlz allowd" mentality stemming from a deep inferiority complex. I'm tired of being singled out, I'm just a gamer. Get over it.

[Polly]

There's nothing special about being a female gamer, the only reason it ever got a term is because of male gamers with a "no gurlz allowd" mentality stemming from a deep inferiority complex. I'm tired of being singled out, I'm just a gamer. Get over it.

x16,423,812,996.8

[.Rusty.]

AI am already seeing friction in this thread (just a little), and don't understand why. :-? I can understand if someone gets upset if I used a wrong term, or just applied it wrong.

You are seeing "friction" from the women on the forum because you made a thread that is pretty much misogyny bait.

Also dont use rape as a adjective if you want women to value your opinion ya idiot.

[amtalx]

As long as we maintain respect for each other, there is no reason for misogyny to enter the picture. Things tend to escalate quickly on the internet, but it doesn't have to be that way.

There has actually been a pretty interesting dialog concerning gender roles in games lately. With the release of Lollipop Chainsaw, the Tomb Raider controversy, and the Sarkeesian flame war, there are a lot of interesting editorials out there.

[Sidney]

Men get to be seen as individuals; there are plenty of awful, low-skilled male gamers out there, but they are oft forgotten and labelled as "n00bs" when men ramble on about how skilled they are (as a gender) at games. When a male player runs into a male player with a poor skill level, it doesn't cause their perception of male players to be smeared, because (white, straight) men get to be seen as individuals. People of color and women don't get that opportunity; we are always our gender and/or our race first, and gamers second. Our individual interactions with a majority group often bear the weight of leaving the impression of how that member of the dominant group thinks of all members of our group. Have a bad match? Prepare for that member to think that all women gamers have low skill level. Are you, as a woman, very bubbly and outspoken in teamchat? Prepare for that member to assume that most women gamers are. This is not a burden that male players bear.

Even though woman gamers are more common than ever before, many of us keep our gender under wraps, and for good reason; male gamers don't interact with open female gamers very often, and so they have to base their impression of a large group of gamers off of a very small number of assumed interactions (whether positive or negative), which they then broadly paint a whole population with.

I look forward to the day where I can be a gamer first, and a woman second. This is likely my only contribution to this thread, because I can see the defensive, sexist, derailing replies coming in already, and I'm not going to waste my energy engaging in that.

[AsuravonD]

This is as dumb as the "there are no girls on the internet" argument. >,>

[Nitro Vordex]

This thread is slightly more respectful.

Slightly.

Everyone sucks at video games: The Movie: The Game: The novel: Based on a true story*

*Heresay

[.Rusty.]

Everyone sucks at video games: The Movie: The Game: The novel: Based on a true story*

I can't wait for the animated series :wacko:

[Ranmaru]

Hi Ranmaru, there was a topic of such a little while back and it didnt go well. might or might not
have anything in common, but it did got some people ANGRY.

here you go: http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198813

maybe that sort of spark a FIRE and that fire kind of gotten carry over here as well.


But anyways, in the great words of Angelo: "I don't see this thread ending well..." :cat:

Ok thank you very much, Xefi. that clears up some things.



You are seeing "friction" from the women on the forum because you made a thread that is pretty much misogyny bait.

Also dont use rape as a adjective if you want women to value your opinion ya idiot.

Hrmmm that was a habit. Edited. One of the gaming communities have noticed that and other words to be a problem for their maturity, and I'm sorry for that.


Men get to be seen as individuals; there are plenty of awful, low-skilled male gamers out there, but they are oft forgotten and labelled as "n00bs" when men ramble on about how skilled they are (as a gender) at games. When a male player runs into a male player with a poor skill level, it doesn't cause their perception of male players to be smeared, because (white, straight) men get to be seen as individuals. People of color and women don't get that opportunity; we are always our gender and/or our race first, and gamers second. Our individual interactions with a majority group often bear the weight of leaving the impression of how that member of the dominant group thinks of all members of our group. Have a bad match? Prepare for that member to think that all women gamers have low skill level. Are you, as a woman, very bubbly and outspoken in teamchat? Prepare for that member to assume that most women gamers are. This is not a burden that male players bear.

Even though woman gamers are more common than ever before, many of us keep our gender under wraps, and for good reason; male gamers don't interact with open female gamers very often, and so they have to base their impression of a large group of gamers off of a very small number of assumed interactions (whether positive or negative), which they then broadly paint a whole population with.

I look forward to the day where I can be a gamer first, and a woman second. This is likely my only contribution to this thread, because I can see the defensive, sexist, derailing replies coming in already, and I'm not going to waste my energy engaging in that.

Well, I think I can recognize that there can be good gamers that are female, when I see that one or more actually beat me. But I can't say females aren't viewed as individuals or not. ^^; I mean when it comes to your point that:

A. When a girl that loses to a man, the whole female population is assumed to be bad or just as bad as that girl 'when' she played that match.

I think if we do just assume that without looking at how the others play, it just means we were too quick to judge. I will stand null on this point, because I just can't remember if I have had that mindset before being beat by a girl. I mean, if I could tell that the girl that lost, was playing closely to the other dude, then I wouldn't think she was bad, I'd think she would have been closely skilled to the opponent. (I know saying 'before being beat by a girl' may sound dumb, but it's true I haven't played that many in person ^^ Especially while I was younger ) Also, when I think of 'first time seeing a girl play videogames' I think of their foundation. When you see a guy lose for the first time... I don't even remember the first time I have seen a person besides me lose that was a guy... it was just not something I thought about. (All I thought about was getting to the next level) But after that void of 'not remembering', I can know that I have seen some men out play others, alot, so I know their foundation. If I see a girl playing a videogame for the first time (my first time), I wouldn't know what to assume about the rest. But now I have seen (Or heard, which I have) that some work very hard to achieve skill and success in a game, I can tell that the female population can vary in how it does. But it is only because of those few that I saw play well, or beat me (or that I heard may have done well) So if that confirms your point about females not being viewed as individuals, I'm sorry. :-?

And I think the first time being beat by a girl may have been... in college? (And this same girl is the one that I was talking about who still kicks my ass) [Keep in mind I was a loner when I was smaller so this may be why I haven't been beaten by a girl before, let alone played one or much other friends (besides my sis and cuz)] I think there was a girl that played with my group of friends in highschool, and at that time, she was the top second player (in melee) and at that time, I was a newbie. :-D (After the summer that followed, I went to college, got pwnt in melee) I do think part of the problem here is that males, get excited to see a female because... we do get attracted to them. And since we don't interact with much, that female may get viewed as female before her gamer label, only due to human nature. Although I do think I try to think gamer before girl, as I do with girls that are friends, considering them friends before girls.

Also, thank you very much for contributing to this thread, I appreciate it. If anything I said seems like nonsense, then I'm sorry and thank you for listening.

[note, I have played more girls online than in person, I'm sharing my view from in person mostly, not that I have played alot of girls online, it's just a bit more common online then in person]


This thread is slightly more respectful.

Slightly.

Everyone sucks at video games: The Movie: The Game: The novel: Based on a true story*

*Heresay

Coming to stores near you!

[Outrider]

Do you want to know what is special about girl gamers? That they put up with idiotic comments about how weird it is that girls try to be gamers.

Being a woman does not make you worse at games. Being a man does not make you better at games. Yes, certain genres are more popular within certain genders. That does not make them any less relevant. Farmville matters just as much as Call of Duty, if not more.

If you'd like to have a real discussion about gender politics in games, then go right ahead. Saying stuff like "girls have no skills" or "girls can't compete" makes you look like a fool and isn't acceptable.

Cool?

Cool.

[.Rusty.]

Well if you wanna know why you are not seeing women at fighting game tournaments read this.
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/when-passions-flare-lines-are-crossed-updated/4006/

It happens to a lesser extent in other competitive communities and it does explan why women who play online use a gender neutral name and no mic. Yes trash talk can be fun but if its about personal stuff and not the game you just up end up pushing players away.

[Muna]

"Are girls as interested in videogames as us?"

Oh man... another IDIOTIC topic... ><

There is no "we" (even as males) that are all interested in a given thing (being it football, videogames or anything else). Just like males are having different hobbies, the girls also do. You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out. :-o



Skill Level

That paragraph is too stupid to comment it.



Interest

Now some reasons for why girls play 'casually' may be because they aren't as interested in 'winning' and may just want to have fun regardless of skill. Or would rather spend time playing RPG's, something that just takes time instead of skill. I tried to get my girlfriend to play LoL, she was interested in at at all. My friend tried to get his girlfriend to play Starcraft, same reaction. My girlfriend MIGHT play PSO2. She doesn't like grinding though so... :/ There you go.


I love grinding. I love pvp. I'm spending hours playing. But seriously, I have many more hobbies on hand than just to spend it playing. Mind it, I was once a no-lifer.

The girls wants to have fun in game. Doesn't mind if the "wining" is in pvp, pve (boss) or they just wanna roam with friends somewhere.

Playing RPG takes time and skill.

From what I see you and your friend were forcing them into play something they weren't interested. I've been playing videogames (well, rather computergames) since my childhood (also fighting games with my male friends) and ATARI time... and I'm just not interested in LoL (tried to play it, not my style) nor Starcraft (I'm not a big fan of space/sf games).

There were quite a lot of ladies at TGS last time. Also, the foreign ladies. Is it bad that some of them played "casual" games? People has various interests, after all. And games are to cater to them, just like the films, books, manga, etc.



Another thing. Girls, if you know you are a good player, just show us by example. Either giving records of your good scores, or playing with us males in any game you'd like, or we'd like. I don't play much of the new games tho. 8-)

Why should the girls actually prove anything? Do you ask the guys to show you his scores, etc? Nah, it's just the girls who are expected to prove they're girls, they are good at something, etc.

Why don't you prove you're as good as you claim? Nah, I'm not interested in playing an arrogant guy, just show me the scores, achievement, etc. Just make it some of the MMO, as for years I haven't been playing anything else.



There's nothing special about being a female gamer, the only reason it ever got a term is because of male gamers with a "no gurlz allowd" mentality stemming from a deep inferiority complex. I'm tired of being singled out, I'm just a gamer. Get over it.

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Men get to be seen as individuals; there are plenty of awful, low-skilled male gamers out there, but they are oft forgotten and labelled as "n00bs" when men ramble on about how skilled they are (as a gender) at games. When a male player runs into a male player with a poor skill level, it doesn't cause their perception of male players to be smeared, because (white, straight) men get to be seen as individuals. People of color and women don't get that opportunity; we are always our gender and/or our race first, and gamers second. Our individual interactions with a majority group often bear the weight of leaving the impression of how that member of the dominant group thinks of all members of our group. Have a bad match? Prepare for that member to think that all women gamers have low skill level. Are you, as a woman, very bubbly and outspoken in teamchat? Prepare for that member to assume that most women gamers are. This is not a burden that male players bear.

Even though woman gamers are more common than ever before, many of us keep our gender under wraps, and for good reason; male gamers don't interact with open female gamers very often, and so they have to base their impression of a large group of gamers off of a very small number of assumed interactions (whether positive or negative), which they then broadly paint a whole population with.

I look forward to the day where I can be a gamer first, and a woman second. This is likely my only contribution to this thread, because I can see the defensive, sexist, derailing replies coming in already, and I'm not going to waste my energy engaging in that.


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But now I have seen (Or heard, which I have) that some work very hard to achieve skill and success in a game, I can tell that the female population can vary in how it does. But it is only because of those few that I saw play well, or beat me (or that I heard may have done well) So if that confirms your point about females not being viewed as individuals, I'm sorry. :-?

Wow, give him a Nobel Prize for realising the obvious that female players ALSO varies in skill.

[quote] Although I do think I try to think gamer before girl, as I do with girls that are friends, considering them friends before girls. [/quote[

No, you don't.

[BIG OLAF]

Although I do think I try to think gamer before girl, as I do with girls that are friends, considering them friends before girls.

No, you don't.

Well, at least we know you're psychic.

[DragonForce]

This topic is just banbait for the mods here. Lock this shit already.

[Ranmaru]

There is no "we" (even as males) that are all interested in a given thing (being it football, videogames or anything else). Just like males are having different hobbies, the girls also do. You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out. :-o

Of course. I think I stated I know that much girls don't take interest in videogames as much as we do. Unless I misunderstood you.


I love grinding. I love pvp. I'm spending hours playing. But seriously, I have many more hobbies on hand than just to spend it playing. Mind it, I was once a no-lifer.

I have... no I don't. I don't have many other hobbies. Heh. Just games/tv/ddr/music. Maybe gimp stuff.


The girls wants to have fun in game. Doesn't mind if the "wining" is in pvp, pve (boss) or they just wanna roam with friends somewhere.

Ok then.


Playing RPG takes time and skill.

Usually it is single player. I'll watch a girl play an RPG, sure. And then she can watch me play that. That's about it tho. Unless it's an MMO. YAY. (I don't know about any rpg's with multiplayer tho)


From what I see you and your friend were forcing them into play something they weren't interested. I've been playing videogames (well, rather computergames) since my childhood (also fighting games with my male friends) and ATARI time... and I'm just not interested in LoL (tried to play it, not my style) nor Starcraft (I'm not a big fan of space/sf games).

Not at all. We asked them to try something, and they said they weren't interested. We left it at that, and tried to find other things to do together. Not stick to it. I don't see how you see it as 'force'. It was a recommendation, and I'd also try what ever my gf would recommend to me, and do like some of the things she does.


There were quite a lot of ladies at TGS last time. Also, the foreign ladies. Is it bad that some of them played "casual" games? People has various interests, after all. And games are to cater to them, just like the films, books, manga, etc.

No it isn't bad. My point was that I would have liked to play with a girl as interested as I am. Simple as that. I don't mind playing casually myself. I would just prefer a more hardcore approach. That is all.


Why should the girls actually prove anything? Do you ask the guys to show you his scores, etc? Nah, it's just the girls who are expected to prove they're girls, they are good at something, etc.

Because at times proof can be better than words, and males can't say anything to that, amirite? Do I have good scores? Not really no. Keep in mind I have been beaten by girls, yet you haven't said anything about that.


Why don't you prove you're as good as you claim? Nah, I'm not interested in playing an arrogant guy, just show me the scores, achievement, etc. Just make it some of the MMO, as for years I haven't been playing anything else.

When I say good, I just mean ok-ish. Consider that skill level bars can be static, for example Super smash bros melee. Have i won tournament? No. I have been going for 2 damn years, as Doc. The whole time. Sometimes I can get at best, win win > lose forever., around those places. I'm not arrogant, I'm real talk. When I say ok'ish I mean I haven't made bracket, yet I'm just medicore.



Although I do think I try to think gamer before girl, as I do with girls that are friends, considering them friends before girls. [/quote[

No, you don't.

I do try to, but I think this is you just judging from the get go.

[Ranmaru]

Alright, it can be locked.

[Retehi]

http://apocalypse-tribe.com/rdfox/Noboys.jpg

This topic was wrong from the start anyway.

[Sinue_v2]

I look forward to the day where I can be a gamer first, and a woman second. This is likely my only contribution to this thread, because I can see the defensive, sexist, derailing replies coming in already, and I'm not going to waste my energy engaging in that.

From my experience, girls gamers of that ilk tend to be more or less transparent. They don't talk much (probably to keep from starting a "get back in the kitchen/go out wif me" shitstorm), play competently, and leave when the game is over... just like any other gamer out there. The ones which are most visible seem to me to be the "lobby queens" and socialites who exploit their gender to get attention and freebies. Those are the ones which tend to be lower skilled, or simply don't try very hard in order to garner even more attention from males who think they need to be "protected"... or are afraid to show off their skill lest they be derided and spurred by the guys who's asses they are kicking.

This makes for a bit of a catch-22, since it only reinforces the stereotype and makes it harder for women to be seen as competent gamers. At least, that seems to the case from my perspective as someone who avoids joining cliques or clans as a way to reduce bullshit drama which inevitably ensues. Most of the time, I'm not even aware I'm running with female gamers until the "GG, Thx for the Party" at the end.

Personally, I don't really care about skill level so long as it's apparent that the player is trying their best... and at worst, when an unskilled player engages in a mission which demands high levels of skill in order to accomplish the goal (Like Challenge mode) without warning the other players that they are not very good and in need of help. I'm also secure enough that I don't take it personally when I find out a female is better at me than something.

[AC9breaker]

I think I have a gif that is relevant to this topic...


Not really relevant but I laughed.
http://www.apocalypse-tribe.com/ac9breaker/Netgank/attn.gif

[Retehi]

God damn I haven't seen that shit in so long lmao.

[watashiwa]

I was actually thrown off by that GIF too. Hella years old, mang!

[NoiseHERO]

STFU n00bs!

[Outrider]

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