New wiki for pso2 (Something people were speaking of)

[Lostbob117]

Hey, so for awhile I notice people saying "I want to edit the info on Cirnopedia" "We could just make a new wiki". Since my hobby is playing with whatever coding. I decided to try out one that was free and already had a layout pretty much.

Here is a lot of info on the coding used: http://www.wikidot.com/doc:wiki-syntax

Here is the actual wiki, I just started today so a lot of things are blank and there is still more I need to put up: http://rappypedia.wikidot.com/start


I need a favicon to put up and an 150x150 image for the top left corned. So if you have an idea for one, toss it to me, or if you can make one go ahead!

This wiki will enable people to edit it theirselves.


Things that will not happen on this wiki:

*Your own userpages
*Random Pictures that won't be useful


Anyone who wants to do like Templates(I don't want to bother doing those and figuring that out) let me know and show what can be done. Try to make a weapon page design, unit, costume, etc.

What do you guys think of it?

Here's some of what the wiki coding will look like mostly:
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[[<]]
[!-- Heading --]
[]
[] [] Hunter [] [] Ranger [] [] Force [] [] Fighter [] [] Gunner [] [] Techer [] [] Braver [] [] All Classes [] []


[] [] [[[Swords]]] [] [] [[[Assault Rifles]]] [] [] [[[Rods]]] [] [] [[[Twin Daggers]]] [] [] [[[Twin Machineguns]]] [] [] [[[Wands]]]
[] [] [[[Katanas]]] [] [] [[[Gunslashes]]] [] []


[] [] [[[Partizans]]] [] [] [[[Launchers]]] [] [] [[[Talises]]] [] [] [[[Double Sabers]]] [] [] [[[Assault Rifles]]] [] [] [[[Talises]]] [] [] [[[Bullet Bows]]] [] [] [] []


[] [] [[[Wired Lances]]] [] [] [] [] [] [] [[[Knuckle| Knuckles]]] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] []

[]
[[/<]]

[/spoiler-box]

The coding is actually really easy once you get the hang of it.

[Coatl]

Alternatively, you could pay a visit to the JP wiki.

[Lostbob117]

Alternatively, you could pay a visit to the JP wiki.

This is very true.

[keywen]

Alternatively, you could pay a visit to the JP wiki.

While JP wikis are almost always a better source for pertinent information, it's a relatively large barrier to entry. There's something that feels secure about a non-foreign source of information.

Let's be real, JP wiki is pretty bleh when it comes to formatting and for us non-japanese speakers, Google Translate does a less than amazing job at translating some of the more intricate parts of the wiki.

I think an editable wiki is a great idea for the NA community as a whole.

[Shinamori]

So does this use the MediaWiki engine?

[Gama]

If someone plants on building one , lemme know. i like to make pso graphics.

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[Shinamori]

I think I can work with this.



{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | Rarity
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" class="unsortable" | Icon
! scope="col" style="width: 140pt" | Name
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | Base
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | +10
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | Req
! scope="col" style="width: 64pt" | Potential/Pre-Affix
! scope="col" style="width: 160pt" | Information
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 1★ || [[File:sword_00.png]] || Sword <br />ソード || 94|| 140 || 1 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 1★ || [[File:sword_01.png]] || Gigush <br />ギガッシュ || 120|| 180 || 57 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 1★ || [[File:sword_02.png]] || Breaker <br />ブレイカー || 146|| 219 || 124 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 2★ || [[File:sword_03.png]] || Alva Sword <br />アルソード || 172 ||258 || 191 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 2★ || [[File:sword_04.png]] || Alva Gigush <br />アルギガッシュ || 198 ||297 || 256 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 2★ || [[File:sword_05.png]] || Alva Breaker <br />アルブレイカー || 225 ||337 || 326 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 3★ || [[File:sword_06.png]] || Vita Sword <br />ヴィタソード ||251 || 376 || 393 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 3★ || [[File:sword_07.png]] || Vita Gigush <br />ヴィタギガッシュ || 257 || 385 || 460 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 3★ || [[File:sword_08.png]] || Vita Breaker <br />ヴィタブレイカー || 273 ||409 || 528 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 4★ || [[File:sword_09.png]] || Claymore <br />クレイモア || 251|| 281 || 155 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 4★ || [[File:sword_10.png]] || Calibur <br />キャリバー || 211|| 337 || 237 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 5★ || [[File:sword_11.png]] || Alva Claymore <br />アルバクレイモア || 246|| 393 || 320 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 5★ || [[File:sword_12.png]] || Alva Calibur <br />アルバキャリバー || 280|| 448 || 403 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 6★ || [[File:sword_13.png]] || Vita Claymore <br />ヴィタクレイモア || 246|| 467 || 485 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 6★ || [[File:sword_14.png]] || Vita Calibur <br />ヴィタキャリバー || 308|| 492|| 568 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|}


Here's some of my code from my wiki. Firstly, we need a skin.... I'll upload the images icons I have, we will need someone to upload any new and recent icons that has been uploaded yet. It seems only admins can upload images. It only has 300 MB of storage. Hmmm...

If we work actively on this site, we might be able to get a free upgrade.
http://www.wikidot.com/faq:community-sites

[Lostbob117]

I think I can work with this.



{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | Rarity
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" class="unsortable" | Icon
! scope="col" style="width: 140pt" | Name
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | Base
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | +10
! scope="col" style="width: 32pt" | Req
! scope="col" style="width: 64pt" | Potential/Pre-Affix
! scope="col" style="width: 160pt" | Information
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 1★ || [[File:sword_00.png]] || Sword <br />ソード || 94|| 140 || 1 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 1★ || [[File:sword_01.png]] || Gigush <br />ギガッシュ || 120|| 180 || 57 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 1★ || [[File:sword_02.png]] || Breaker <br />ブレイカー || 146|| 219 || 124 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 2★ || [[File:sword_03.png]] || Alva Sword <br />アルソード || 172 ||258 || 191 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 2★ || [[File:sword_04.png]] || Alva Gigush <br />アルギガッシュ || 198 ||297 || 256 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 2★ || [[File:sword_05.png]] || Alva Breaker <br />アルブレイカー || 225 ||337 || 326 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 3★ || [[File:sword_06.png]] || Vita Sword <br />ヴィタソード ||251 || 376 || 393 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 3★ || [[File:sword_07.png]] || Vita Gigush <br />ヴィタギガッシュ || 257 || 385 || 460 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 3★ || [[File:sword_08.png]] || Vita Breaker <br />ヴィタブレイカー || 273 ||409 || 528 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 4★ || [[File:sword_09.png]] || Claymore <br />クレイモア || 251|| 281 || 155 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 4★ || [[File:sword_10.png]] || Calibur <br />キャリバー || 211|| 337 || 237 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 5★ || [[File:sword_11.png]] || Alva Claymore <br />アルバクレイモア || 246|| 393 || 320 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 5★ || [[File:sword_12.png]] || Alva Calibur <br />アルバキャリバー || 280|| 448 || 403 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 6★ || [[File:sword_13.png]] || Vita Claymore <br />ヴィタクレイモア || 246|| 467 || 485 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|-align="center" style="height: 60px;"
| 6★ || [[File:sword_14.png]] || Vita Calibur <br />ヴィタキャリバー || 308|| 492|| 568 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|}


Here's some of my code from my wiki. Firstly, we need a skin.... I'll upload the images icons I have, we will need someone to upload any new and recent icons that has been uploaded yet. It seems only admins can upload images. It only has 300 MB of storage. Hmmm...

If we work actively on this site, we might be able to get a free upgrade.
http://www.wikidot.com/faq:community-sites

That coding won't work on it, already tried, it uses something called wiki Syntax, or something like that. I linked it on the op.

[Gama]

i think some degree of control should work fine, have user submissions that need to be approved or something.

[Lostbob117]

i think some degree of control should work fine, have user submissions that need to be approved or something.

I think I saw something like that.

[Lostbob117]

All right, changed it where you have to apply to join to avoid spambots.

[Shinamori]

It's similar to Mediawiki's coding, it's a simple alteration.

[Aslani]

this actually seems like a really great idea! i'm looking forward to seeing how this comes along.

and seeing about making color themes once it's done...

[Shinamori]

Lost, would you mind allowing me to edit pages? My name should be "Sodisna".
Also, I converted my code.




|| 1★ || [[File:sword_00.png]] || Sword <br />ソード || 94|| 140 || 1 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 1★ || [[File:sword_01.png]] || Gigush <br />ギガッシュ || 120|| 180 || 57 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 1★ || [[File:sword_02.png]] || Breaker <br />ブレイカー || 146|| 219 || 124 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 2★ || [[File:sword_03.png]] || Alva Sword <br />アルソード || 172 ||258 || 191 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 2★ || [[File:sword_04.png]] || Alva Gigush <br />アルギガッシュ || 198 ||297 || 256 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 2★ || [[File:sword_05.png]] || Alva Breaker <br />アルブレイカー || 225 ||337 || 326 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 3★ || [[File:sword_06.png]] || Vita Sword <br />ヴィタソード ||251 || 376 || 393 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 3★ || [[File:sword_07.png]] || Vita Gigush <br />ヴィタギガッシュ || 257 || 385 || 460 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 3★ || [[File:sword_08.png]] || Vita Breaker <br />ヴィタブレイカー || 273 ||409 || 528 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 4★ || [[File:sword_09.png]] || Claymore <br />クレイモア || 251|| 281 || 155 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 4★ || [[File:sword_10.png]] || Calibur <br />キャリバー || 211|| 337 || 237 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 5★ || [[File:sword_11.png]] || Alva Claymore <br />アルバクレイモア || 246|| 393 || 320 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 5★ || [[File:sword_12.png]] || Alva Calibur <br />アルバキャリバー || 280|| 448 || 403 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 6★ || [[File:sword_13.png]] || Vita Claymore <br />ヴィタクレイモア || 246|| 467 || 485 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 6★ || [[File:sword_14.png]] || Vita Calibur <br />ヴィタキャリバー || 308|| 492|| 568 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop


Also, I suggest we find someone with a big enough space for a image yard. The wikidot free users only have 300M of space and that's only gonna hold for a while.

[Lostbob117]

Lost, would you mind allowing me to edit pages? My name should be "Sodisna".
Also, I converted my code.




|| 1★ || [[File:sword_00.png]] || Sword <br />ソード || 94|| 140 || 1 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 1★ || [[File:sword_01.png]] || Gigush <br />ギガッシュ || 120|| 180 || 57 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 1★ || [[File:sword_02.png]] || Breaker <br />ブレイカー || 146|| 219 || 124 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 2★ || [[File:sword_03.png]] || Alva Sword <br />アルソード || 172 ||258 || 191 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 2★ || [[File:sword_04.png]] || Alva Gigush <br />アルギガッシュ || 198 ||297 || 256 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 2★ || [[File:sword_05.png]] || Alva Breaker <br />アルブレイカー || 225 ||337 || 326 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 3★ || [[File:sword_06.png]] || Vita Sword <br />ヴィタソード ||251 || 376 || 393 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 3★ || [[File:sword_07.png]] || Vita Gigush <br />ヴィタギガッシュ || 257 || 385 || 460 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 3★ || [[File:sword_08.png]] || Vita Breaker <br />ヴィタブレイカー || 273 ||409 || 528 <br />S-ATK || N/A || Common Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 4★ || [[File:sword_09.png]] || Claymore <br />クレイモア || 251|| 281 || 155 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 4★ || [[File:sword_10.png]] || Calibur <br />キャリバー || 211|| 337 || 237 || N/A || Unommon Normal <br />Hunter Drop
|| 5★ || [[File:sword_11.png]] || Alva Claymore <br />アルバクレイモア || 246|| 393 || 320 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 5★ || [[File:sword_12.png]] || Alva Calibur <br />アルバキャリバー || 280|| 448 || 403 || N/A || Unommon Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 6★ || [[File:sword_13.png]] || Vita Claymore <br />ヴィタクレイモア || 246|| 467 || 485 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop
|| 6★ || [[File:sword_14.png]] || Vita Calibur <br />ヴィタキャリバー || 308|| 492|| 568 || N/A || Unommon Very Hard <br />Hunter Drop


Also, I suggest we find someone with a big enough space for a image yard. The wikidot free users only have 300M of space and that's only gonna hold for a while.

I have a different style for the weapon pages in mind.

[Shinamori]

Ah, I see what you mean, but that syntax looks a bit confusing. Although, you should probably center that text in the cell.

[Lostbob117]

Ah, I see what you mean, but that syntax looks a bit confusing. Although, you should probably center that text in the cell.

It's really easy when you figure it out. Go ahead and make a sandbox and play with it.

[Shinamori]

Yea, I tried making mt own test wiki. Didn't know about the sandbox, but I can for the life of me figure out how to center the text in the table.

[Lostbob117]

Yea, I tried making mt own test wiki. Didn't know about the sandbox, but I can for the life of me figure out how to center the text in the table.

For mine? go with this:

[[=]]
Test in the middle
[[/=]]

[Shinamori]

Yeah, but that will center the whole table, wouldn't it? Also, I tried that and it's a no go.

I tried the code below, but only the header text is centered.


[]

[] [] Rarity [] [] Icon [] [] Item Name [] [] 名前 [] [] S-Atk [] [] R-Atk [] [] T-Atk [] [] Req. [] []

[] [] 1★ [] [] [] [] [[[Sword]]] [] [] ソード [] [] 94 [] [] 0 [] [] 0 [] [] 1 S-ATK [] []

[]

[Lostbob117]

Mmm, no idea, I honestly like the table being left aligned anyways.


Why don't we wait until Cirnopedia is officially announced as dead?

Who said it was really dead? It seems it gets weekly updates.

[Shinamori]

It hasn't been updated in over month or so. Unless the maintain because busy with life or school or something. Usually, he updates at least once a week or so. Even if it's small.

[Lostbob117]

It hasn't been updated in over month or so. Unless the maintain because busy with life or school or something. Usually, he updates at least once a week or so. Even if it's small.

Oh I see, read the 1 as a 2 for some reason.

[doomdragon83]

Five weeks behind is one thing but without even a "hey guys, I'm not dead or anything" post? It shouldn't take much of his/her time to type their reason for not being around and then get back to whatever they are doing...unless something serious happened to him/her.

[Coatl]

[QUOTE=keywen;3095513]Let's be real, JP wiki is pretty bleh when it comes to formatting and for us non-japanese speakers, Google Translate does a less than amazing job at translating some of the more intricate parts of the wiki.
QUOTE]

Yeah, that's my biggest complaint with the JP wiki. It's just an eye-strain and it feels like a hassle finding what I want.

[gigawuts]

People have issues with the JP wiki's appearance? Y'all motherfuckers weren't around when the internet was that cool new thing were you? Every webpage looked like that, even official ones. Shit, I still remember the official Lego website (and how excited we were that it actually existed).

Anyway, Cirno's issues could be resolved if, as I said, he brought on a few other people to maintain it. A wiki isn't something you run and operate completely solo unless your neckbeard is large enough to weave a raft out of to float off of a desert island.

[Z-0]

I personally think the JP Wiki is the easiest thing to find your way around. Everything is ordered into relevant sections and nothing is particularly out of place.

I don't use Google Translate though, maybe the page formatting breaks itself or something when you use it... ?

[DJcooltrainer]

I would be in favor of an English wiki with user generated content. There's a few sites out there, but they're mostly incomplete or out of date. The JP wiki is fine for a lot of things, but most of us aren't native Japanese speakers. I always end up spending a lot of time looking up kanji and words I don't understand, which is great for improving my understanding of the language, but not so great when I need to look something up quickly. And we all know that Google Translate is not the best with Japanese.

[Tenlade]

Has anyone just simply tried contacting the cirnopedia guy and seeing if he would let other people help with it?

[Lostbob117]

Has anyone just simply tried contacting the cirnopedia guy and seeing if he would let other people help with it?

I think he already has a group of people. or maybe two people atm. idk.

[DJcooltrainer]

Even if Cirnopedia does managed to get more people on board and has things up-to-date, I always think it's a good idea to have multiple sources to use for information. It's always nice to be able to cross reference information from different sources, imo.

[gigawuts]

Sure, but since it's all originally in japanese I expect there to be a lot of info borrowing from other wikis.

Which is why it's better to just learn to navigate swiki. It's not even like it's hard. Half of us started playing this game before the english patch existed and figured shit out via context - images, learning to recognize a few (maybe four to ten) japanese characters, and then doing the rest via the basic human ability to remember shit.

You're playing a japanese game on a japanese server with japanese players. I'm not telling you to learn the entire language, I'm telling you to learn how to ask what time it is and where the bathrooms are.

[DJcooltrainer]

Sure, but since it's all originally in japanese I expect there to be a lot of info borrowing from other wikis.

Which is why it's better to just learn to navigate swiki. It's not even like it's hard. Half of us started playing this game before the english patch existed and figured shit out via context - images, learning to recognize a few (maybe four to ten) japanese characters, and then doing the rest via the basic human ability to remember shit.

You're playing a japanese game on a japanese server with japanese players. I'm not telling you to learn the entire language, I'm telling you to learn how to ask what time it is and where the bathrooms are.

I studied 4 years of Japanese in high school as my required language class, and 2 additional years in college. It's not like I'm totally ignorant when it comes to reading Japanese, but there's a lot of kanji, as well as phrase/internet lingo I don't really recognize. That, and I've been out of school for several years and my Japanese is probably pretty rusty.

Yes, we can all visit the JP wiki and figure out mostly anything. But for many it is a time consuming process. I'm all for improving access to information for all people, but that's just me I guess. There are people who are a little more intimidated by playing a game in a different language, and having multiple resources for learning about the game can be very helpful.

[gigawuts]

I've considered looking into making a tamper/greasemonkey script to automatically translate a lot of information (column information, stat terms, item names, etc.), but I cba. I bet someone around here could be, though. Maybe Kion?

[Lostbob117]

Doesn't matter what happens, I find this fun kind of.

[Ordy]

Created an account, can't edit :|

[Lostbob117]

Created an account, can't edit :|

Try now, I gotta go though so I won't be around for an hour or two.

[Ordy]

Try now, I gotta go though so I won't be around for an hour or two.

Nope, "Sorry, you can not edit this page. Only members of this site, site administrators and perhaps selected moderators are allowed to do it."

Fixed: Had to "join" the site (-_-)"

[pkemr4]

its not that fucking hard to navigate the jp wiki with google translate, Jesus.

[DJcooltrainer]

its not that fucking hard to navigate the jp wiki with google translate, Jesus.

No, it's really not that difficult, but why are you so against someone wanting to spend their own time to offer those resources in a different language? You don't have to use it or contribute to it. Improving access to relevant information is always a good thing, imo. :-?

[Ordy]

Don't get what wrong with people here, most of you use or used Cirnopedia right? Most of you use the english translation, but hey, it's not that hard to play the game without it, yet you still use it?

Now if we had an english version of the swiki, don't tell you guys wouldn't use it, come on, be serious. If it's updated faster than Cirnopedia, I'm sure people will use the english wiki.

[gigawuts]

Don't get what wrong with people here, most of you use or used Cirnopedia right? Most of you use the english translation, but hey, it's not that hard to play the game without it, yet you still use it?

Now if we had an english version of the swiki, don't tell you guys wouldn't use it, come on, be serious. If it's updated faster than Cirnopedia, I'm sure people will use the english wiki.

Okay, I won't tell you, but only because you asked me not to.

That concludes this post.

[Inazuma]

If you are having trouble finding something on the JP wiki, try CTRL + F and do a search.

[Lostbob117]

its not that fucking hard to navigate the jp wiki with google translate, Jesus.

Calm your horses.

[UnLucky]

I personally think the JP Wiki is the easiest thing to find your way around. Everything is ordered into relevant sections and nothing is particularly out of place.

I don't use Google Translate though, maybe the page formatting breaks itself or something when you use it... ?

Kind of. Chrome's thing breaks all the navigation stuff really bad, and GT ruins the sorted columns since it likes to translate "10" as "ten"

Other than that, it's a website. With information. Well organized, and tidy. Fast and reliable updates and comments.

Only thing Cirnopedia has over it is English names (which are not always consistent with the in-game patch) and lolis.

[Ordy]

It looks like wikidot engine has no sortable tables by default, so we'd have to use external javascript api to do the job. I came up with this, not sure if everyone can read javascript. I don't think it's the best approach for a user friendly wiki:




<html>
<head>
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.google.com/jsapi"></script>
<script type="text/javascript">
google.load("visualization", "1", {packages:["table"]});
google.setOnLoadCallback(drawTable);
function drawTable() {
var data = new google.visualization.DataTable();

data.addColumn('number', 'Rarity');
data.addColumn('string', 'Icon');
data.addColumn('string', 'Item Name');
data.addColumn('string', '名前');
data.addColumn('number', 'R-ATK');
data.addColumn('number', '+10');
data.addColumn('number', 'Req.');
data.addColumn('string', 'Latent');

data.addRows(2);

data.setCell(0, 0, '1', '1★'); //Rarity
data.setCell(0, 1, '<img src="http://something.com/Rifle.png" alt="image" title="Rifle" height="30" width="30">'); //Icon
data.setCell(0, 2, 'Rifle'); //Item Name
data.setCell(0, 3, 'ライフル'); //JP Name
data.setCell(0, 4, '79 '); //ATK
data.setCell(0, 5, '118 '); //ATK +10
data.setCell(0, 6, '1', '1 R-ATK'); //Req
data.setCell(0, 7, '--'); //Latent

data.setCell(1, 0, '1', '1★'); //Rarity
data.setCell(1, 1, '<img src="http://something.com/Sniper.png" alt="image" title="Sniper" height="30" width="30">'); //Icon
data.setCell(1, 2, 'Sniper'); //Item Name
data.setCell(1, 3, 'スナイパー'); //JP Name
data.setCell(1, 4, '106'); //ATK
data.setCell(1, 5, '159'); //ATK +10
data.setCell(1, 6, '57', '57 R-ATK'); //Req
data.setCell(1, 7, '--'); //Latent

//....

data.sort([{column: 0, desc:false}, {column: 4}]); //sort on rarity by default, then by base ATK
var table = new google.visualization.Table(document.getElementById ('weapontable_div'));

table.draw(data, {allowHtml: true, showRowNumber: false, alternatingRowStyle: true});
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<div id="weapontable_div"></div>
</body>
</html>



Couldn't find a way to create templates like on wikimedia (e_e)"

[Lostbob117]

I'm actually working on this as we speak.

I'll wait and see what happens then.

[Shinamori]

I think it would be nice if we did just have a English community site that's up to date. It's not gonna hurt you guys.

[gigawuts]

No absolutely not, I think it could be great to have a resources with discussions.

I just don't think it's entirely necessary specifically for accessing the plain information. Another site to talk about stuff on, comment on, discuss testing and common questions (how does this skill work with this latent, shit like that). That would be different from Cirno.

[Shinamori]

Yep. That's something I would want to see. Also, Lost, you can add comments to a page.

Use "[[module Comments hide="true"]]" anywhere in your page.

http://test123ert.wikidot.com/start

[Kion]

Has anyone just simply tried contacting the cirnopedia guy and seeing if he would let other people help with it?

I don't know if they're editing everything manually. I could make a page to upload and edit content, but i get the sense that it's likely already in place.


I've considered looking into making a tamper/greasemonkey script to automatically translate a lot of information (column information, stat terms, item names, etc.), but I cba. I bet someone around here could be, though. Maybe Kion?

Aida's on it. Though you'd pretty much be better off making a new wiki in the first place. A javascript extension would simply be: replace "ソード" with "sword", and then do that for every item manually, and do it in a way that doesn't mess up the page. If you have everything stored on the client for the extension, then you'd have to wait for the person managing it to provide an update. So it would more than likely turn into a situation where people are waiting on the person managing it to update it (the same predicament we are in now).

My suggestion would be to go to the Japanese wiki, hit edit, copy everything 1:1 and then use that as a base to start from and then replace, edit and adjust accordingly.

[Lostbob117]

Yep. That's something I would want to see. Also, Lost, you can add comments to a page.

Use "[[module Comments hide="true"]]" anywhere in your page.

http://test123ert.wikidot.com/start

Oh, that is nice, though there is a discussion page.

[Gama]

Ive been Working on a intuitive interface for a wiki, mockup graphics and stuff tho.

when i'm done ill share it...

[Lostbob117]

Ive been Working on a intuitive interface for a wiki, mockup graphics and stuff tho.

when i'm done ill share it...

All right, this means we'll continue it!

[Gama]

i mean even if it dosent fit your liking's i can suply pso2 styled elements live ive done for other projects, to build a site if you guys require it.

id really like to see continuity on all things pso...

i dont do it myself because my html/css skills are terrible. and very outdated.

[Lostbob117]

So with this kind of code we're able to paste image from other sites without using any space up on our storage: http://pso2database.wikidot.com/swords

Using the swiki's icons, but no worries I made sure to credit them.

And the actually weapon page look:

http://pso2database.wikidot.com/sword

[Shinamori]

Oh right. One second.
http://www78.zippyshare.com/v/93772174/file.html
Here's some clean files. Also, it's probably not wise to hotlink off their site.

[Lostbob117]

Oh right. One second.
http://www78.zippyshare.com/v/93772174/file.html
Here's some clean files. Also, it's probably not wise to hotlink off their site.

Probably can put them on my dropbox and then link to save space then.

[Ordy]

We really need sortable tables for weapons and units stats, been mainly using swiki because I couldn't do it on Cirnopedia :(

And I don't think we need R-ATK or T-ATK for swords, but rather base and +10 Attack.

one more thing, can't we just upload all the images?

[Lostbob117]

We really need sortable tables for weapons and units stats, been mainly using swiki because I couldn't do it on Cirnopedia :(

And I don't think we need R-ATK or T-ATK for swords, but rather base and +10 Attack.

one more thing, can't we just upload all the images?

We have limited space on the wiki. So we want to save it for other stuff.

I'll look into sortable tables

[Lostbob117]

Okay, I cannot find out how to add the sortable stuff.

[Ordy]

We have limited space on the wiki. So we want to save it for other stuff.

I'll look into sortable tables

Here is an example of what I've done so far, don't think there is another way to get sortable tables. Best I could do.

http://pso2database.wikidot.com/assault-rifles

[Lostbob117]

Here is an example of what I've done so far, don't think there is another way to get sortable tables. Best I could do.

http://pso2database.wikidot.com/assault-rifles

Interesting, I'm going to play with that if you don't mind.

[Gama]

how much space would a full wiki require?

use a copy server?

[Lostbob117]

how much space would a full wiki require?

use a copy server?

No idea, right now we have 300MB. So for stuff such as icons, we're just going to use my dropbox then link them on the wiki so the image still shows. I'm not sure if the design would take space up or not. I don't think the favicon does at least.

[gigawuts]

Here is an example of what I've done so far, don't think there is another way to get sortable tables. Best I could do.

http://pso2database.wikidot.com/assault-rifles

This looks very nice - clean, functional, all the good stuff.

[DJcooltrainer]

Here is an example of what I've done so far, don't think there is another way to get sortable tables. Best I could do.

http://pso2database.wikidot.com/assault-rifles

It's beautiful. +1 for having both the original and translated names listed.

[Shinamori]

No idea, right now we have 300MB. So for stuff such as icons, we're just going to use my dropbox then link them on the wiki so the image still shows. I'm not sure if the design would take space up or not. I don't think the favicon does at least.

Nah. If this thing takes off, those images will be constantly down due to DropBox bandwidth.

[DJcooltrainer]

What about another image host, like imgur? They don't have a bandwidth cap, even for free uploaders.

[Ordy]

imgur has an upload limits for free account. So you can't upload 1500 pictures. And without an account, imgur could clean the servers and auto-delete old pictures.

[Lostbob117]

Can you help me out on this? I want the header to be just like my sword header. Also how do I link the pages on it?

[DJcooltrainer]

imgur has an upload limits for free account. So you can't upload 1500 pictures. And without an account, imgur could clean the servers and auto-delete old pictures.

True, but it's still a better alternative than dropbox. You could work the system and make multiple accounts, if you reeaallly didn't want to pay that badly. You can get actual unlimited image hosting these days for just a few $$ a month, tho. Hell, I could easily put that up myself.

[Gardios]

Okay, so, I didn't want to post it yet because it's not really in a presentable form, but I also didn't expect someone to start yet another wiki using the same approach as with the last 50 tries, but here goes. x:

http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php

I've been working on the structure for a proper wiki since the last thread was posted, but it's not really done yet because there's quite a lot to do. Stuff I have started with are weapons (example: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Traitor_Linear) and weapon lists (example: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Sword), both not yet done. The major advantage to this approach is that, for example, if they released new weapons you just need to create a new page for that weapon and the entire wiki is updated, i.e. it's much easier to keep up to date. Downside is, as mentioned, it takes some time to set everything up.

Templates I had in mind would be weapons, units, sets, cosmetics, items, photon arts, client order, monster, crafting, item exchange... But I guess getting weapons ready first would take priority so data entry can start.

Free hoster with 2 GB space which should be enough. Since it's an actual host, it's fairly easy to install new extensions etc. Downside is that it's not the fastest host, but it seems manageable. Not like there's much choice if you don't get a paid one. :-?

[Ordy]

Like I said, I'm willing to help anybody at anytime. But when it comes to the PSO2 community, I think wikimedia would be the best option.

With 2Gb, we shouldn't worry about the upload space for a while, if users start uploading too many files, we could still find an alternative and move the wiki to another (paid) server with more web storage.

Wikidot isn't that bad, but it lacks some key features. So yeah, I think we should all focus on Gardios' wiki to make it look decent.

[Lostbob117]

Okay, so, I didn't want to post it yet because it's not really in a presentable form, but I also didn't expect someone to start yet another wiki using the same approach as with the last 50 tries, but here goes. x:

http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php

I've been working on the structure for a proper wiki since the last thread was posted, but it's not really done yet because there's quite a lot to do. Stuff I have started with are weapons (example: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Traitor_Linear) and weapon lists (example: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Sword), both not yet done. The major advantage to this approach is that, for example, if they released new weapons you just need to create a new page for that weapon and the entire wiki is updated, i.e. it's much easier to keep up to date. Downside is, as mentioned, it takes some time to set everything up.

Templates I had in mind would be weapons, units, sets, cosmetics, items, photon arts, client order, monster, crafting, item exchange... But I guess getting weapons ready first would take priority so data entry can start.

Free hoster with 2 GB space which should be enough. Since it's an actual host, it's fairly easy to install new extensions etc. Downside is that it's not the fastest host, but it seems manageable. Not like there's much choice if you don't get a paid one. :-?

Looks nice, on the weapon type page I would take the +10 off of it since it's not really that necessary. I like Mediawiki more too.

Also I'm sure whatever Gama is working on can work on this wiki too.

[Lostbob117]

@Gardios: When you do the skill trees for the wiki. Are you able to make it like your simulator?

Also: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=User:Lostbob117

[Ordy]

Need the MultiUpload extension, going to take forever to upload all the weapon and unit icons xD

[yoshiblue]

Looks nice, on the weapon type page I would take the +10 off of it since it's not really that necessary. I like Mediawiki more too.

Also I'm sure whatever Gama is working on can work on this wiki too.

Careful, he may start charging you. http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png

[Gardios]

Need the MultiUpload extension, going to take forever to upload all the weapon and unit icons xD

http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Special:MultipleUpload

Don't add anything for now, looks like something broke the lists.

Edit: Working again. If you add more weapons, make sure to check out http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Weapon_infobox for the parameters. Omit the stuff you don't need. Also omit class for now (even for multi-class weapons).

[Lostbob117]

Can we go with Alba instead of Alva in the translations and keep them more like the Arkive's then Cirno's?

[ThePendragon]

Sounds like you guys need a host. Might be something I can arrange. Although, what has me disconcerted is it sounds like this isn't being properly thought our beforehand, and eventually it will become a horrible mess to fix it all down the road.

You really should evaluate various options first, as well as feature sets. Set a roadmap for functions that are legitimately useful. Sorting, filtering, comparing are extremely useful features for this kind of a tool. Like I said, I'd love to see about helping you host, as I have a couple of options in that regard, but instead of just diving in, maybe start putting some real thought into it first.

[Lostbob117]

Probably could start up a chatroom so it is easier to chat about with everyone.

[Rayden]

Can we go with Alba instead of Alva in the translations and keep them more like the Arkive's then Cirno's?

It's always seemed to me like it should actually be Alpha instead of Alva, and Beta instead of Vita...

[Shinamori]

Sounds like you guys need a host. Might be something I can arrange. Although, what has me disconcerted is it sounds like this isn't being properly thought our beforehand, and eventually it will become a horrible mess to fix it all down the road.

You really should evaluate various options first, as well as feature sets. Set a roadmap for functions that are legitimately useful. Sorting, filtering, comparing are extremely useful features for this kind of a tool. Like I said, I'd love to see about helping you host, as I have a couple of options in that regard, but instead of just diving in, maybe start putting some real thought into it first.

If you can provide a host, then you can just download the mediawiki engine.

Also, I think we should keep the +10 so you know how strong a weapon is.

[Gardios]

You really should evaluate various options first, as well as feature sets. Set a roadmap for functions that are legitimately useful. Sorting, filtering, comparing are extremely useful features for this kind of a tool. Like I said, I'd love to see about helping you host, as I have a couple of options in that regard, but instead of just diving in, maybe start putting some real thought into it first.

...that's exactly what I've been doing. The only reason I've "made it public" is because the other wiki attempt has kind of forced me to. (If you just read the first page, check my post on page 8.)

[Gama]

pso2 skill simulator integration would be great.

[Ordy]

I've been trying to add weapon data, upload some icons but realized I'd do the job twice if too many things change in the templates.

Things are looking great so far, but don't forget to ask user feedback. I'm sure we all have different opinions about what we consider useful or not: some columns should be dropped, some others should be added, ... Can't be bad to have another perspective.

Then about the weapon names, alba, alva, alpha ... I don't think it matters right now, but IMO the English names should match the English patch names.

The main questions to answer are:

1. What do we need first? - Set priorities.
2. How it should look like? What are people expecting when going to that page?
3. How should we split the work?

Copying all the information from other swiki and other existing wiki sites will take a fuck load of time, so if we could do anything to save users time, "that would be great".

PS: If this forum is too slow to communicate, feel free to add me on Skype if you need to ask me something.

[pkemr4]

Just received a response from Cirnopedia's owner - They're burning through a huge backlog of all the stuff they missed, fixing a lot of stuff, etc. They've said there should be an update before next maintenance.

so there was always more then 1 person working on cirnopedia now?

[Lostbob117]

so there was always more then 1 person working on cirnopedia now?

Yes, there was more than one, I believe.

[gigawuts]

I've always read that it was just one guy.

[Lostbob117]

I've always read that it was just one guy.

I remember cirno saying "That cirno must have quit" before on the feedback page.

[Gardios]

I've been trying to add weapon data, upload some icons but realized I'd do the job twice if too many things change in the templates.

Things are looking great so far, but don't forget to ask user feedback. I'm sure we all have different opinions about what we consider useful or not: some columns should be dropped, some others should be added, ... Can't be bad to have another perspective.

Then about the weapon names, alba, alva, alpha ... I don't think it matters right now, but IMO the English names should match the English patch names.

The main questions to answer are:

1. What do we need first? - Set priorities.
2. How it should look like? What are people expecting when going to that page?
3. How should we split the work?

Copying all the information from other swiki and other existing wiki sites will take a fuck load of time, so if we could do anything to save users time, "that would be great".

PS: If this forum is too slow to communicate, feel free to add me on Skype if you need to ask me something.

Done with the weapon and weapon list template now.

http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Traitor_Linear
http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Sword

I made sure to have the weapon list as customizable as possible (see http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Weapon_list ), so columns should hopefully not be a problem now. The only thing missing is acquisition, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Since it's linked to the actual page where you can elaborate on stuff, that in turn would make the lists pretty long. Splitting it in two (short version for lists, long version for weapon page) kind of defeats the purpose of having a template in the first place...

I've planned to do other equipment-related templates next (latent, unit, set), once that's done we can start transferring info over from swiki. Until then it's probably a good idea to discuss what the pages are supposed to cover.

Personally, I think we should start with data I will have made templates for first (i.e. weapons, units, latents, sets) as well as pages for the classes and weapon types. Class pages should have an overview (what's this class about?), builds and directions on how to play it. Weapon type pages only really need the overview since details would likely be better on PA/technique pages.

Sticking to the EN patch translations for item names is a good idea, alternate translations can always be set up as redirections. Since I'm not using it I've used my own translations for now, but that can obviously still change.


pso2 skill simulator integration would be great.

Can you elaborate on that? What exactly do you expect/wish for?

[Lostbob117]

Can you elaborate on that? What exactly do you expect/wish for?

Pretty much your simulator on the wiki page.

[Gama]

Pretty much your simulator on the wiki page.

To support a possible "Comon Builds" page.

on wich we would need lucky's and gigawuts help with, they seem to be the most confortable with build creation.

[Gardios]

You can just link off-site though? I don't really see the benefit.

[gigawuts]

I don't actually think you even could embed the skill sim into the wiki. Does it even allow javascript like that?

[Lostbob117]

Idk you probably could link it directly. Also here is your sidebar if you're not aware of how to edit it: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar

Also: http://pso2.bplaced.net/w/index.php?title=User:Lostbob117#Main_Page

[Gama]

You can just link off-site though? I don't really see the benefit.


that also a good alternative.

also building a template for this, and i wonder, would a ingame interface based style be better or a pso2 website styled interface would be better?

i cant decide.


so i decided on this style, ideas opinions?

[SPOILER-BOX]https://copy.com/esFgUGm4vAQnPAYM[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Gama]

bump because i'm an attention whore.

[darkepyonuk]

Good work so far guys n gals, look forward to seeing the final result, ive done some coding in my time at college but dont have access to a computer otherwise id help :(

[ThePendragon]

So just to follow up, this really needs to be more organized. So here's what I'm asking.

1st - Whose running the show? Lostbob initiated the thread but I see a lot of others running with it. It doesn't have to be 1 person, but there need to be people making final decisions or nothing will ever get done.

2nd - Once I know who the first is, I need to speak with him/them. As I mentioned, I'm willing to supply hosting, however, we need to get some details straight. Like, Domain name, how much storage/bandwidth we need, etc.

3rd - Everybody else. Once you guys know who is running the show, there will be a need to fill in other positions. Moderation for instance. Assigning specific tasks to specific people. Maybe you want it to be 100% crowdsourced, but it will still be ideal to designate responsibilities to individuals. That will allow the work to be divided equally and monitoring to ensure the site stays accurate and protect from vandalism.

4th - Those who are in charge need to layout specifically what needs to be taken care of and in what order. Prioritize. Meaning, what content gets priority, how it's formatted, how the wiki will be designed, etc.

5th - A better method of getting this accomplished, maybe a OneNote Notebook everyone can share. It's pretty good for collaboration, organization, it's free, and pretty much everyone has a Microsoft account.


So, let's start with step one, and move on from there.

[Lostbob117]

So just to follow up, this really needs to be more organized. So here's what I'm asking.

1st - Whose running the show? Lostbob initiated the thread but I see a lot of others running with it. It doesn't have to be 1 person, but there need to be people making final decisions or nothing will ever get done.

2nd - Once I know who the first is, I need to speak with him/them. As I mentioned, I'm willing to supply hosting, however, we need to get some details straight. Like, Domain name, how much storage/bandwidth we need, etc.

3rd - Everybody else. Once you guys know who is running the show, there will be a need to fill in other positions. Moderation for instance. Assigning specific tasks to specific people. Maybe you want it to be 100% crowdsourced, but it will still be ideal to designate responsibilities to individuals. That will allow the work to be divided equally and monitoring to ensure the site stays accurate and protect from vandalism.

4th - Those who are in charge need to layout specifically what needs to be taken care of and in what order. Prioritize. Meaning, what content gets priority, how it's formatted, how the wiki will be designed, etc.

5th - A better method of getting this accomplished, maybe a OneNote Notebook everyone can share. It's pretty good for collaboration, organization, it's free, and pretty much everyone has a Microsoft account.


So, let's start with step one, and move on from there.
Gardios' wiki will probably be more successful then mine because it's easier to manage for people, so you should talk with him about whatever.

[Ordy]

1st - Whose running the show?

-- Gardios, he's the wiki admin and current host owner.

3rd - Everybody else. Once you guys know who is running the show, there will be a need to fill in other positions....

-- Everyone should be able to edit/add/remove content. I think it was the whole idea of the wiki. Don't think we strictly need a moderator, as far as people daily check recent changes. Then if something looks fishy, people writing bullshit to confuse other users ... we can still report it to the people with rights and ban the account(s) or IP.

4th - Those who are in charge need to layout specifically what needs to be taken care of and in what order. Prioritize. Meaning, what content gets priority, how it's formatted, how the wiki will be designed, etc.

-- Again, I think everyone should be in charge of everything. If anybody wants to add a contribution to the project, why should we refuse?

5th - A better method of getting this accomplished, maybe a OneNote ...

-- Bleeeuhh no thanks, this forum works just fine imo.

We are far of a 50 men project, maybe not even 10, it's just a damn wiki don't need to apply restrictive development rules. Can we just see it as a open space for user-generated content? And not another copy of cirnopedia with a bunch of guys pulling the strings.

[Lostbob117]

I'm still sticking to my wiki btw.

[ThePendragon]

1st - Whose running the show?

-- Gardios, he's the wiki admin and current host owner.

3rd - Everybody else. Once you guys know who is running the show, there will be a need to fill in other positions....

-- Everyone should be able to edit/add/remove content. I think it was the whole idea of the wiki. Don't think we strictly need a moderator, as far as people daily check recent changes. Then if something looks fishy, people writing bullshit to confuse other users ... we can still report it to the people with rights and ban the account(s) or IP.

4th - Those who are in charge need to layout specifically what needs to be taken care of and in what order. Prioritize. Meaning, what content gets priority, how it's formatted, how the wiki will be designed, etc.

-- Again, I think everyone should be in charge of everything. If anybody wants to add a contribution to the project, why should we refuse?

5th - A better method of getting this accomplished, maybe a OneNote ...

-- Bleeeuhh no thanks, this forum works just fine imo.

We are far of a 50 men project, maybe not even 10, it's just a damn wiki don't need to apply restrictive development rules. Can we just see it as a open space for user-generated content? And not another copy of cirnopedia with a bunch of guys pulling the strings.


I guess that will be up to Gardios. However, nothing I'm suggesting restricts anyone from contributing or discourages crowdsourcing. I'm talking about structure. I'm not talking about regulating or censoring content, I'm talking about actual management of the wiki. Site design, logos, formatting, naming conventions. This doesn't preclude anyone from participating, but at the end of the day, we could end up with endless edit wars like they do on Wikipedia. Sooner or later someone has to be able to make a decision.

[PSchiZ]

This looks fun

[Lostbob117]

Fun Fact: There are 63 swords in the game so far.

[Jei182]

Alternatively, you could pay a visit to the JP wiki.

If only the english patch worked for the JP Wiki. I think this is a great idea and it would be a great resource for people that wanted to find quick answers and such.

[Yukito-San]

Just saying Cirno updated the wiki on 19/02/2014. So he might make many more update soon.

[Lostbob117]

I renamed the site to rappypedia.wikidot.com cause someone said I should do that.

[gigawuts]

I renamed the site to rappypedia.wikidot.com cause someone said I should do that.

Please don't, actually.

[BIG OLAF]

The down-spiral begins!

[Lostbob117]

Please don't, actually.

Once you launch a missile it can't stop. I might change it back later.

[gigawuts]

This kind of shit is what ruined the first wiki you had, fyi. Joke names and references like that stay funny for about five minutes, then get tiresome.

[Lostbob117]

This kind of shit is what ruined the first wiki you had, fyi. Joke names and references like that stay funny for about five minutes, then get tiresome.

No, not really, it was me always changing what I wanted stuff to look like.

[Kion]

This kind of shit is what ruined the first wiki you had, fyi. Joke names and references like that stay funny for about five minutes, then get tiresome.

Yeah like the Doge meme. Much annoying. Very brain aneurysm.

[milranduil]

No, not really, it was me always changing what I wanted stuff to look like.

Which makes it less credible/professional. Wikis are meant to be impartial, accurate sources of data, not a madlib.

[Lostbob117]

Which makes it less credible/professional. Wikis are meant to be impartial, accurate sources of data, not a madlib.

What's a madlib?

[milranduil]

Essentially a piece of text or story where one fills in words with whatever they like