Do Partizans suck? Or is it just me?

[Cortte]

I've always loved this weapon style, and they were great weapon choices in PSO/PSU. But oh my god do they just feel gimp as hell in this game. My favourite skill is Sacred Skewer, and I am trying to make a build around it. I was thinking HU/RA for rangers WB and WHA abilities. I feel like that's one of the best ways to maximize damage with sacred skewer. I've tried braver with weak stance, but losing damage when missing a weak spot is useless, and why opt to go for chance. When you can get 50% to weak spots with ranger and no penalty. On top of that you have WB.


And what about Vol Graptor? Why even give a long ranged, slow moving skill to a weapon like that. It works well with Sacred Skewer, but that's about it from what I can see.

Then I ask myself "Is it just me thinking the wrong way?" So I wonder if anyone here has a build for partizans and sacred skewer that works nicely. I'd like to hear them.

[Xaelouse]

Sacred Skewer is a melee attack. The only non-WB skills on RA that would buff the damage would be first hit and sharpshooter. the latter would pretty much only see use on that one PA that's not even that good, and the former hardly kicks in.
Braver sub is actually decent if you max both stances and their charge skills on the class. Partizan's strongest PAs are all charge moves anyway. Fighter stances are strongest, but their conditions can be annoying and unfit for some situations.
Partizan, generally it does suck but for reasons that's common to most Hunter weapons. As of right now, it's a real situational weapon to get the most damage and use out of. You should be using slide end and assault buster a lot. Vol graptor + 2 slide ends is the best burst damage HU has. Sacred Skewer is for picking off trash enemies out of your reach, and even then Kaiser Rise on wired lance is better.

[SakoHaruo]

Vol Graptor is great tool for TeHu. It's used exactly the same way FoBr uses Banishing Arrow on Bosses.

[Cortte]

Sacred Skewer is a melee attack. The only non-WB skills on RA that would buff the damage would be first hit and sharpshooter. the latter would pretty much only see use on that one PA that's not even that good, and the former hardly kicks in.
Braver sub is actually decent if you max both stances and their charge skills on the class. Partizan's strongest PAs are all charge moves anyway. Fighter stances are strongest, but their conditions can be annoying and unfit for some situations.
Partizan, generally it does suck but for reasons that's common to most Hunter weapons. As of right now, it's a real situational weapon to get the most damage and use out of. You should be using slide end and assault buster a lot. Vol graptor + 2 slide ends is the best burst damage HU has. Sacred Skewer is for picking off trash enemies out of your reach, and even then Kaiser Rise on wired lance is better.

Hmmm hmm. I suppose you are right. I was stubbornly sticking to sacred skewer just because I like it. But I can't deny the numbers favor Slide End a lot more. Ah well what can ya do. Maybe when I make that switch and try it out for myself I'll like it.

[HeyItsTHK]

vol graptor + sacred skewer is a thing but that requires some precision.

[BlueCast Boy]

Maybe people don't play much Partizan since there to busy on using...Katana...Sword Overend. Thou Partizan has its Weaknesses but its not weak, Do you have LV5 Fury Stance Gear Skill for your Partizan Gear which can make things easy, Sacred Scewer is a great tool for long range or enemies that are running away from you with some bar for your gear it can be a great AoE tool, spammable tho unless you have a High PP. Slide End with gear can wipe out mobs with 1~2 Slash (when Fury Stance Ativated or other skills). I don;t pretty much use Assualt Buster since as A Te/HU i often use Il＝Zonde as the gap closer. and for Volg Raptor since it has same priority as Banishing Arrow but Damage Increases when charged is great for bosses or tough mobs since Sacred Scewer is the best combo for Volg Raptor or if u are sub with Te or Fo...Zanverse or and with crowded players.... Seriously thou I think partizan is the most unused weapons on HU.

[HeyItsTHK]

Seriously thou I think partizan is the most unused weapons on HU.

Don't have to think, it IS. :P

[Sacrificial]

The thing with partisans are that the base power of the pa's is too low to penetrate the def of SH monsters. You need a rainbow set to ensure you one shot.

slide end's charging is too slow imo, but it can hit point blank unlike assault buster(doesnt hit point blank) which charges way faster.

So all I can say for now is wait until ep3.

[Great Pan]

Use a crafted katana, most HU do this.

[Lumpen Thingy]

if you want a good setup for a partasin go fi/hu use a crit build and just rape everything with the falz partasin(make sure to 50% it) with either sacred skewer or slide end. If you can't one shot stuff with slide end then something is a bit off with your setup lol

[UnLucky]

And here I thought partisan was the only Hunter weapon people used

[Shiyo]

And here I thought partisan was the only Hunter weapon people used

Think you meant sword.

[UnLucky]

Well I know idiots love Over End, but I mean like, actually use swords for something useful and good without losing damage on better weapons.

[Shiyo]

Well I know idiots love Over End, but I mean like, actually use swords for something useful and good without losing damage on better weapons.

Sword is the strongest hunter weapon and only below Katana for melee.

[UnLucky]

Since when? Doing what, Guilty Break?

Last I checked, Double Saber and Knuckles both do more DPS than Sword. Even Daggers and Wirelances, too.

Partisan has the fastest melee mobbing tool in the game unless you have an inordinately powerful Kanran.

[HeyItsTHK]

Sword is most popular Hunter weapon 'round here, then I see quite a few wired lances and then barely any partisans. Knuckles can certainly out damage swords.

[Xaelouse]

lvl16 charged ride slasher basically deals deadly archer DPS while being more pp efficient and moving you forward. You'll need to use BHS about 2-3 times in order to out-DPS a single overend, and overend has a lot more applications with its range.
I'd argue that sword would be better than katana if it wasn't for katana combat and how safe it is to spam the ever so damaging hatou.

[Shiyo]

Since when? Doing what, Guilty Break?

Last I checked, Double Saber and Knuckles both do more DPS than Sword. Even Daggers and Wirelances, too.

Partisan has the fastest melee mobbing tool in the game unless you have an inordinately powerful Kanran.

Seriously? Use sword. You obviously haven't used it in a LONG time if you think DOUBLE SABER is better than it. Or ANY fighter weapon.

[Macmaxi]

I would say stick to Hunter weapons first, just randomly throwing in Fighter or Braver stuff isn't really going to help anyone. I haven't been around here for too long, but i'm sure the lot of you had this discussion a million times anyways. I think, if we are talking about Hunter weapons, it kinda implies the idea of the participants wanting to actually play the Hunter by choice regardless of effectiveness compared to other classes.


As for raw Hunter damage output, i feel like Sword is the strongest and not only because of Overend. With Guilty Break being the easy to use and a high burst PA with relatively low PP cost and being less vulnerable while performing it, i think Swords can deal a good amount of damage to single targets. Not to mention the mobility, you otherwise don't have as a clunky sword wielder.


Overend is good for mobbing, but since you will be mostly encountering large groups with more people, the wind up time isn't really worth it. Considering the things you do in PSO2, sword hunter will sit around 80% of the time grasping for things to attack. Nothing is sadder than waiting for the big hit on the Overend and realizing that everything died already. And again not mentioning the obvious 3 second vulnerability to everything.

A partisan with Slide End has it a bit easier, but for me it feels like the charge makes it still too slow. (Yeah i know the charge is really short) You are at least able to hit things now before they die though.


I have been trying to use Ride Slasher for a bit but i just can't really find a middle ground where i'm relatively safe and still hit with all of it's hits. Especially having your back turned to your target is always dangerous due to JG'ing. Maybe i haven't been doing it correctly, but the damage seems fairly low too.


I have no intel on WL's but i think their damage on boss targets are pretty low and they need even more specific situations to work. (as if Hunter didn't have to struggle enough with that)

[Lumpen Thingy]

Sword is the strongest hunter weapon and only below Katana for melee.

ha.ha.ha...ha......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...........no swords suck ass right now

[UnLucky]

You'll need to use BHS about 2-3 times in order to out-DPS a single overend

Do you even understand what DPS means?

[Xaelouse]

Do you even understand what DPS means?

Yeah. If you manage to land 2 OEs against a downed boss then BHS cannot catch up due to its high PP use for about half of OE's damage (or less; Sacrifice Bite!). That changes with ketos proi, but that isn't always available.
Now, what really holds something like HU's overpowered PAs back is how vulnerable they make you, so if the boss -isn't- down then you'll either have to take hits to keep the damage going or lose damage by cancelling to block. FI doesn't really have worries like this with how fast its moves come out so they are still more adept at taking down bosses. That's when FI weapons get more DPS

[Lumpen Thingy]

Yeah. If you manage to land 2 OEs against a downed boss then BHS cannot catch up due to its high PP use for about half of OE's damage (or less; Sacrifice Bite!). That changes with ketos proi, but that isn't always available.

Or better yet..how about have enough pp to use back hand smashes 3 times and just do a few normal hits and do back hand another 3 times on a downed boss? that tends to do ALOT more then what you're suggesting

[Xaelouse]

Scrounging up 45 PP for a PA that deals less than half of OE doesnt sound so appealing. Depends on the circumstances I guess
Knuckles has nice -burst- damage though and is accurate with stupid weakpoints like Ringadarl's. This cannot be argued.
Overall though, I feel FI is probably the worst class next to wand TE right now and I hope ep3 fixes that so their DPS is unmatched as the new dev wants it to be.

[BlueCast Boy]

And I thought you guys were talking about partizan until i heard katana master race and sword overend again, TBH Partizan deals more damage on the HU side... I don;t get you all too much sword love...no partian love ;3;

[Shiyo]

Scrounging up 45 PP for a PA that deals less than half of OE doesnt sound so appealing. Depends on the circumstances I guess
Knuckles has nice -burst- damage though and is accurate with stupid weakpoints like Ringadarl's. This cannot be argued.
Overall though, I feel FI is probably the worst class next to wand TE right now and I hope ep3 fixes that so their DPS is unmatched as the new dev wants it to be.

Yay someone who actually plays the game!

FI and wand TE are the lowest DPS classes by far.

[Sanguine2009]

i cant agree with that, at least not when Fi is played to its fullest potential. though i will admit, thats not something thats easy to do nor something i can do either.

[Remz69]

backhand smash is approximately 4 times the dps of overend
that's so much better that even for sustained dps bhs still wins
but ok

[Cortte]

I'm actually a ranged specialist coming into the world of Hunter. Mainly just trying things out to use as a subclass for Bouncer when it comes. So my knowledge on great damage for melee isn't high. But when it comes to melee classes I tend to only want to play with my desired weapon. I'ved reached 50HU/30BR since I started the thread and I gotta say I like the damage with Vol Graptor and Sacred Skewer. I am managing around 60 - 100k damage with two skewers and the graptor explosion going off. Mind you this could be higher if I had fully affixed gear, and a mag. I'm not using great stuff, or a mag because again, I am saving it all for bouncer.

I do understand that in SH the damage is quite a bit worse off. So I have a katana as a back up and it helps pretty well. It certainly does make it feel hopeless as a class when I can hit north of 500k using a bow in one Banish Arrow/Last Nemesis combo, and then comparing it to melee damage.

I am more of a boss killer at heart anyway, so I know ranged is always going to be my preferred choice. Unless Bouncer has some nice PAs on it.

[Macmaxi]

You are all talking about DPS, but when does this game actually "require" DPS? Sure you want to kill stuff fast, and for stuff like Elder and Loser you even get a short time where you can do your "DPS" but these are all just short time spans and usually you can't even get rid of all your PP, depending on what exactly you use. And those are still situational.


I wonder how precious your BHS is when Loser is just out of the range for it the majority of the second phase hmm? Want to spam meteor fist at that and pray to rng for 10 minutes? Or what about the fact that BHS can only hit one target no matter what?


Even if something like Twin Dagger hasn't the "highest DPS" Symphonic Drive makes sure you always hit, no matter what (Only thing that comes to mind is Loser being too far away) and the last time i checked that thing dealt acceptable "DPS". Not to mention free hyper armor and higher range / aoe BS and the 360° noscope parry.


If you give us training dummies, yes probably Knuckles would be the strongest not because of BHS but because of how much faster you can regenerate PP too. But since we don't have that, the game is 99% situational and i think the last word you want to think about is "DPS". I think Knuckles would outdamage every weapon in that scenario, but because of how BHS works and how the hitbox is almost impossible to utilize, it's actually one of the harder / worse weapons to play.

[Lostbob117]

Swords don't really suck right now, a lot of things just kill things much faster, Swords are still capable of killing decent speed.

[Achelousaurus]

backhand smash is approximately 4 times the dps of overend
that's so much better that even for sustained dps bhs still wins
but ok
But on the other hand if the enemy so much as sneezes it is out of range even if it was when you pressed the PA button/key.
For the absurdly short range backhand smash is far too slow.
It's a lot worse than with Overend and getting hit before dealing noteworthy dmg.

I tried new sword and it is a bit better than before but in the end it's still mediocre at best, using a strong sword and PAs at lvl 16.

Hunter still is so absurdly slow.
Charged PA dmg is super low considering just how long you have to waste time before actually dealing dmg.

As a main braver I find sword simply painful.
Not just killing speed but speed overall.
If I spend like 5 seconds charging I have to dodge attacks just by walking at super slow speed.
That is ridiculous.

And this is only lvl 1 charge, lvl 2 is so slow fighter or braver have killed like 3 times as many enemies before the sword PA starts.
Not to mention that enemies rarely wait.
Sword feels like ATB battles to me.

As for Partizans, I haven't tried anything yet besides Slide End.
Still kicks serious ass with a good weapon and lvl 16.

But Wired Lance I have tried and it's better than before.
Still feels a bit clunky compared to fighter and braver but is very good with has very good dmg and still allows you to easily dodge and move.

[Macmaxi]

Wait do you mean charging without gear? Because you shouldn't really do that.


To be honest, Sword Gear feels like it has an actual impact on your playstyle while most others are just more damage while you doing nothing else. Sword Gear requires you to attack first and keep an eye on it, so you don't accidentily charge up without the charging speed. Same for Partizan where you have to fill up the Gear with blocking or attacking.


But as you said, other classes don't have that restriction thus Sword feels just clunky and useless.

[GALEFORCE]

They gotta remove fury gear's main only restriction, or just buff sword's gear maintenance. It's a very good weapon if you can keep it at full gear.

[lacusclyne96]

HU is the best melee dps class now ....
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24340229
nova strike with crappy gear already did 12k/hit. And you can make full sword gear (if with fury boost) with guilty break.

[BIG OLAF]

Partizans no longer suck.

Thread should be locked.

[Achelousaurus]

HU is the best melee dps class now ....
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24340229
nova strike with crappy gear already did 12k/hit. And you can make full sword gear (if with fury boost) with guilty break.
Precisely how does that beat 10-12k per Tsukimi hit with a mere 2039 S-atk?
Also, that is a Partizan.
And the video quality is slow I cannot even tell what the numbers are most of the time.

I really have no clue what's going on there other than Trident Crusher on weakpoint. My own Tsukimi weakpoint dmg is about 20-25k.

PS: I need to stop using hu as main with a pure subclass build without gears .-.

[UnLucky]

Precisely how does that beat 10-12k per Tsukimi hit with a mere 2039 S-atk?

I really have no clue what's going on there other than Trident Crusher on weakpoint. My own Tsukimi weakpoint dmg is about 20-25k.
Probably because it's more damage...?

Like, outright hitting harder, and then Vol Graptor happens.

Also that is Hunter.

[Mysterious-G]

Like others, I've come to enjoy using Partizans on my new Fi/Hu build quite a bit. Question for me now is whether investing into Partizan Gear is worth it or not. To get it, I would decrease my Never Give Up to 4/5. That's a mere SP, but I figured I'd ask anyway in case you guys tell me the gear is absolutely useless. Also, please keep in mind I am not getting the Gear bonus a HU main otherwise has, so gear charging is a little slower for me as a Fi.

Thanks in advance!

[Z-0]

Definitely get the gear. The range increase on the good PAs is significant, and it now gives a 10% damage boost along with it.

[Mysterious-G]

10% sounds like a steal for 1SP. Thanks, I'll get it!

[Achelousaurus]

Probably because it's more damage...?

Like, outright hitting harder, and then Vol Graptor happens.

Also that is Hunter.
He was talking about Nova Stike so I thought the video was about sword.
Trident Crusher + lvl 16 Slide End being massive dmg is something else and has been really good before ep3.

Anyway, too low res, what's the normal Slide End dmg on weakpoint in that video?

So, I tried Sword with gear.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Balmuk/i505USZB9SabG.gif

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