Episode 4 Story Discussion

[loafhero]

Just saying, you'll never get a Gram within a reasonable amount of time without farming the Chip Fragment 2017 Special Quest in es. 3 Gold Fragments per character per day in the main game is a joke.


Isn't Annette going to be arriving soon in a later update with a CO that rewards us with 9 gold chips and with Gene still there offering the same 3 gold chip CO reward? I've got at least 30 gold chips as of this post. Getting 50 more should be a little faster once Annette arrives. Plus, I only want the gram sword camo.


Lord obviously screamed some type of Falz.

and Seraphy.....well seraphy can do no wrong lol

At least the other Falzes (minus Double) looked more professional. Their suits were kept clean without any unnecessary edgelord alterations like Lord's exposed torso, those spikes to cut himself on his edge and that emo hair stripe.

Got nothing to comment on Seraphy. The pre-EP3 ARKS counter lady uniforms still look great. The tacky uniforms implemented post EP3 (courtesy of new Commander Ulc, most likely) still leave a bad taste on me. Xierra's uniform being the worst of them all (but I still like her character).

[yoshiblue]

Got to agree, Pre-Ep3 navigator was the bomb.

[Altiea]

Isn't Annette going to be arriving soon in a later update with a CO that rewards us with 9 gold chips and with Gene still there offering the same 3 gold chip CO reward? I've got at least 30 gold chips as of this post. Getting 50 more should be a little faster once Annette arrives. Plus, I only want the gram sword camo.



At least the other Falzes (minus Double) looked more professional. Their suits were kept clean without any unnecessary edgelord alterations like Lord's exposed torso, those spikes to cut himself on his edge and that emo hair stripe.

Got nothing to comment on Seraphy. The pre-EP3 ARKS counter lady uniforms still look great. The tacky uniforms implemented post EP3 (courtesy of new Commander Ulc, most likely) still leave a bad taste on me. Xierra's uniform being the worst of them all (but I still like her character).

When you think about it, Lord's design actually makes kinda sense. The super edgelord spikes are reminiscent of one half of Roto=Raut, the Genesis Weapon he's a Weaponoid of. The red hair stripe parallel's Gene's green stripe, because they're both Weaponoids of the same Genesis Weapon. Note that Lord is a Falz essence, but not a true Falz because he is incomplete; part of Lord's ultimate goal is to absorb Gene, who is his other half, so that he can become a real Falz.

[Meteor Weapon]

When people bash too much about a specific character's design without knowing why they were designed that way *shrugs*

[loafhero]

Ugh, next thing that you're all gonna tell me is that the reason Lord looks the way he does is that he needs to breath through his edge...

Intent of a design does not immediately negate criticism as to how it looks overall. Whether a design looks good or not is purely subjective. If people like Lord's design, whether it'd be for just the looks or the explanation behind it, that's fine. Me? I still think Lord (and some of the other es characters) look like it was made by a 14 year old's definition of what's "cool". Granted, PSO2's intended demographic might actually be 14 year olds (hence, EP4's Story) but still. You can go on to explicit detail about the deep meaning behind Lord's emo stripe and obnoxious display of his chest but its not going to change that every time I do see his character, I roll my eyes yet find entertainment value out of the prospect of Lord and Shadow the Hedgehog becoming best buddies bonding over their edge.

We can argue over this even more OR we can all just come to a harmonious agreement that Seraphy is best girl of es.

[Altiea]

Ugh, next thing that you're all gonna tell me is that the reason Lord looks the way he does is that he needs to breath through his edge...

Intent of a design does not immediately negate criticism as to how it looks overall. Whether a design looks good or not is purely subjective. If people like Lord's design, whether it'd be for just the looks or the explanation behind it, that's fine. Me? I still think Lord (and some of the other es characters) look like it was made by a 14 year old's definition of what's "cool". Granted, PSO2's intended demographic might actually be 14 year olds (hence, EP4's Story) but still. You can go on to explicit detail about the deep meaning behind Lord's emo stripe and obnoxious display of his chest but its not going to change that every time I do see his character, I roll my eyes yet find entertainment value out of the prospect of Lord and Shadow the Hedgehog becoming best buddies bonding over their edge.

We can argue over this even more OR we can all just come to a harmonious agreement that Seraphy is best girl of es.

Never said that you had to like it, I was just stating why he looks the way he does. You're actually on the point about him being edgy (which is really funny, for some reason) because he was born without a capacity to feel emotion due to imprinting on his creator, Zakard, who was in one of his "crazy evil" phases when he created Lord, a fact which ultimately bites him in the ass in the end when the Darker Busters beat the crap out of Proto-Falz Lord.

[sonisei]

rant about chars thread when? :wacko:

[Tymek]

So the Lord half of Roto=Raut was created from Falz Essence?

[Lyrise]

So the Lord half of Roto=Raut was created from Falz Essence?

Not quite. The Falz side was because due to the imprinting of the crazy evil side, it made it susceptible to Profound Darkness' influence, in a manner similar to how Gettemhult came to be.

[Meteor Weapon]

Gettemhart was possessed by Elder. Luther being a photoner mutated into a Dark Falz due to massive negative emotion which inturn causes the surrounding photons to react negatively which then mutates him. I guess the same goes with every Photoner with extreme negative emotion, a similar situation with how Aurora mutated as the first DF Apprentice. All this did not happen until Xion's perfect copy was created, reacting negatively to the Photoners despair, turning itself into PD, being the first to mutate the very essence of Photon into an absolute dark energy, which then allows Photoners themselves to mutate into Falz. I think Luther already knew how to mutate into a Falz, just that it was a last ditch if his whole planned turned into an epic fail. Lol i feel like im spouting bullshit.

[Outcaster]

So i'm a bit of a waifu fag wanted to know how many female NPC are portrayed to love or like a male player

My list is

Matoi
Quna
Io

[loafhero]

Never said that you had to like it, I was just stating why he looks the way he does. You're actually on the point about him being edgy (which is really funny, for some reason) because he was born without a capacity to feel emotion due to imprinting on his creator, Zakard, who was in one of his "crazy evil" phases when he created Lord, a fact which ultimately bites him in the ass in the end when the Darker Busters beat the crap out of Proto-Falz Lord.

Sorry, was kinda directing that to Meteor Weapon.



So i'm a bit of a waifu fag wanted to know how many female NPC are portrayed to love or like a male player

My list is

Matoi
Quna
Io

Hmm, Matoi and Io are rather obvious. I highly doubt Quna has a thing for the Player. That would be too much wish fulfilment if Quna has feelings for the Player what with Quna being an idol. It also wouldn't help with Quna's image as an idol as idols are meant to be seen as "pure" and I'm aware with how ridiculous idol fans get when their favourite idol either has a boyfriend or is rumoured to have a thing for a certain someone. Also worse if they learn that their favourite idol isn't a virgin. Then there's the fact that Quna's age is still kept hidden from the player base.

Other female NPCs that come close would have to be Katori but she seems to be a bit of a gold digger. She only pays attention to the Player mainly because of the Player's skill and reputation whereas Matoi and Io genuinely like the Player for who they are as a person and the Player has a good friendly relationship with both of them.

The only male NPC that I think might have a thing for the Player is Casra due to how affectionate his tone is whenever he talks to or about the Player. In EP4, he admitted to Aika, who was wondering why Casra bothered to give a briefing when Aika could've done that on her own, that the real reason he came with her was because he wanted to see the Player. The Player is the only one that Casra is willing to confide his honest feelings regarding a certain matter (mostly, why he tends to be a dick towards others).

[Meteor Weapon]

You know....since ep4's story is kinda finished and all, im kinda tired looking at post beating a dead horse over and over. Same goes with ES, we all know some character designs in ES isn't....well...make sense?

[Altiea]

You know....since ep4's story is kinda finished and all, im kinda tired looking at post beating a dead horse over and over. Same goes with ES, we all know some character designs in ES isn't....well...make sense?

We're not quite done yet; we still have 4-EX incoming by next month. It won't really give us any new story to chew on, but it'll mostly be discussing how shitty/easy full-power Phaleg is.

[Tymek]

We're not quite done yet; we still have 4-EX incoming by next month. It won't really give us any new story to chew on, but it'll mostly be discussing how shitty/easy full-power Phaleg is.

I honestly hope that it's one of those "If you defeat me, I'll tell you my story" kind of things.
But I doubt it, unfortunately.

[loafhero]

I honestly hope that it's one of those "If you defeat me, I'll tell you my story" kind of things.
But I doubt it, unfortunately.

I'm just hoping she teaches us her not-Rider Kick move as a reward for beating her.

[Dark Emerald EXE]

I'm just hoping she teaches us her not-Rider Kick move as a reward for beating her. New JB PA confirmed

[Outcaster]

Hmm, Matoi and Io are rather obvious. I highly doubt Quna has a thing for the Player. That would be too much wish fulfilment if Quna has feelings for the Player what with Quna being an idol. It also wouldn't help with Quna's image as an idol as idols are meant to be seen as "pure" and I'm aware with how ridiculous idol fans get when their favourite idol either has a boyfriend or is rumoured to have a thing for a certain someone. Also worse if they learn that their favourite idol isn't a virgin. Then there's the fact that Quna's age is still kept hidden from the player base.

Other female NPCs that come close would have to be Katori but she seems to be a bit of a gold digger. She only pays attention to the Player mainly because of the Player's skill and reputation whereas Matoi and Io genuinely like the Player for who they are as a person and the Player has a good friendly relationship with both of them.

Right I get what your saying It just feels Like Quna is meaning something more when she always gets on to the player for not coming to her concerts in a tsundere way. Also she trusts you deeply as your one of the few people who know her secret.

Kotori is married to the bouncer class so no.

Episode 4 potential candidates from my prospective would be Hitsugi, who act's very grateful and tsundere towards the player at the end and Xiera. I believe Xiera as more of a causal thing since she is always busy managing the ship however it was odd to me that SEGA included so flirt options during the scenes when you were "observing" Earth. Also she has stated that she wants to learn more human emotions and is happy when you come visit, also more fleshed out personality then the other ship personnel and I image we will see more of her. Hitsugi might come visit from time to time through PSO2.

[Zysets]

Gettemhart was possessed by Elder. Luther being a photoner mutated into a Dark Falz due to massive negative emotion which inturn causes the surrounding photons to react negatively which then mutates him. I guess the same goes with every Photoner with extreme negative emotion, a similar situation with how Aurora mutated as the first DF Apprentice. All this did not happen until Xion's perfect copy was created, reacting negatively to the Photoners despair, turning itself into PD, being the first to mutate the very essence of Photon into an absolute dark energy, which then allows Photoners themselves to mutate into Falz. I think Luther already knew how to mutate into a Falz, just that it was a last ditch if his whole planned turned into an epic fail. Lol i feel like im spouting bullshit.

Actually in regards to Luther, he was already a Falz by the time the player even starts their story. In Episode 2 Chapter 7, when you go back in time, he works with Apprentice and she calls him "the black sheep of the family". He's a Falz already by then, but he's not a real falz because he created his form on his own, instead of coming from the Profound Darkness.

[loafhero]

Same with the Player in the bad ending timeline, now that I think about it. Like with Luther, rather than being possessed by an already existing Falz, the Player became a Falz of their very own image through extremely negative emotions and using what remained of Matoi and Persona's Falz energy that tainted the random Coat Edge the Player used. Also like Luther, Persona still had the ability to freely change back into their old physical appearance.

Speaking of Dark Falzes, I'm a bit annoyed that we never got to know the name of the Dark Falz that's trapped within Aru and was responsible for creating Esca Falz Mother. All Falzes always had a personality and theme. This one was just a Detective Conan-style shadow person with no personality at all.

[Meteor Weapon]

Unlike other Falz, this Esca Falz Mother is sorta unique because it spawned from PD itself rather than a mutation of person. But it still needed a host. This Falz also has traits of previous existing Falz which makes it an amalgamation of all Falz(in PSO2 at least), capable of spawning almost all lesser Darker under the previous faction of different Falzes(if you minus it's Ether ability I mean.)

All this Earth event thing did was accidentally assimilate itself into an Ether body, get absorbed by Mother, possessed Mother and died off just like that.(EDF in EQ isn't Falz, just a phantom.) If this Falz never tried to posses Hitsugi in the first place, it would probably be named Dark Falz [All/Sigma/全], well Aru's name himself in the credits is named Al, probably a reference to the word All? Well I'm probably just bullshitting here.

[Altiea]

So on top of what we already know, the Phaleg "superboss" battle will also include a time limit and heal nerf. RIP Automate?

[Lyrise]

Speaking of Phaleg and also leading into EP.5, the fact that she tells you to "Get Stronger and then challenge her again" after she kicks your ass pretty much means you aren't going to die from this fight at all storywise, and shuts down all of those thoughts of the player getting killed because the keywords for EP. 5 are resurrection/reincarnation.


So on top of what we already know, the Phaleg "superboss" battle will also include a time limit and heal nerf. RIP Automate?

Automate is probably OK. Or we could just see a healing nerf across the board a la Odin LM.

[Vatallus]

So if I change my Shaders from High to Standard I can play the cutscenes in the new story quest without crashing.

Tier 6 - Standard Shaders - High Res.

Now what I need to figure out is why this is a problem to start with.

[loafhero]

So on top of what we already know, the Phaleg "superboss" battle will also include a time limit and heal nerf. RIP Automate?

Heal nerf?! Oh, shit.

[final_attack]

But .... wasn't in the trailer Phaleg seems to do low damage combo attacks instead of 1 big damage (maybe except that definitely-not-Tales-of-Legendia-Phoenix-Strike )?

Though it's still also depends on gear / skills ...... but, if it's indeed it's a multiple low damage, at least nerfed Automate should still kinda effective? ._.

[Altiea]

And now for a special piece of concept art!

The lost Genesis Weapon, "Roto=Raut"
[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/19KoA6d.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Tymek]

Scrapped concept for Evolved Enga:

[SPOILER-BOX]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9rhb5jUwAAtBOS.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Altiea]

It's time for GRATUITOUS BUST SHOTS: THE UPDATE. Phaleg's in on it too.

Unfortunately, PSO2 doesn't render busts very well, so it's not really appealing.

EDIT: Having now seen it, it reminds me a little of Nova's hot spring scene, without the interactivity. Also, Phaleg's death glare at the player at the end was the best part.

[Altiea]

Well, that was fun. I don't think I've had the shit kicked out of me in 15 seconds since... ever. Phaleg does a lot more damage than originally advertised, just saying.

[Suirano]

Phaleg has a second phase in the fight. She destroys the tower and her attacks get more brutal and hurt a whole lot more. She spams the stun move significantly more and most of her attacks will killyou due to their multiple hits. She is definitely a boss you have to have patience for and time your attacks and memorize her patterns.

Honestly, the nerfed healing makes this fight way more harder than it should be. The fact her kick in Phase 2 hits you for 600 damage 2 times. Also, most of the time she begins the battle doing her flame shockwave move but often she will ignore it and immediately just stun you or kick you not even giving you a chance to trigger your stances.

Also when Phase 2 begins, she blocks whatever you used on Phase 1 like Anga.

[Altiea]

Also... Is this the only boss fight in the game with reactive boss design? I feel like you spend most of the fight dodging and waiting for an opening, then strike when she's cooling down. I don't know if any other boss in the game has to be fought this way, or it's just me.

[loafhero]

A Phaleg bath scene... thank you, SEGA!

Can't wait for Kazanboshi translations to come out so I can find out how Phaleg got Player's contact number....

This marks the 2nd time the Player has ever been shown exhausted after a fight. The 1st time was after battling Persona in EP3 but the difference is that the Persona fight ended in a draw while against Phaleg, she lied flat on the ground defeated but still thirsty for a second round in the future (giggity)

Back in the trailer, I thought her phoenix kick was targeted at Player (and there was no timely positioned sunlight behind her). Turns out, she was aiming for the roof... what the hell, lady? That was a perfectly nice tower and if I'm not mistaken, that's also the source of London's internet! Now everyone there can't watch free porn for an indefinite period of time! Dick move, Phaleg. What did London ever do to you?

[Xaeris]

I'm glad to hear Super Milf puts up a worthy fight. Be a bit longer before I can try, but sounds like what I've been waiting for since the first time she tried to h-hayai us in Vegas.

[Sirius-91]

Forever whatever her age wants her to be.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/vDJYBaR.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[loafhero]

Forever whatever her age wants her to be.

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/vDJYBaR.png[/SPOILER-BOX]

Sounds like she's just trying to avoid being reminded that she's super old.

[Touka]

I didn't notice Orc had a fang haha.Amusing boob talk from both male and female sides.Hagito and Enga manzai spin off when?

[Zangor17]

im just glad Sega didnt make any rewards for the side story quest. its literally just some scenes as a reward for clearing a challenging fight. no SG or booster rewards on the line.

[Dualdiamond]

Is Phaleg completely invincible to your weapon you used first?

[Sirius-91]

im just glad Sega didnt make any rewards for the side story quest. its literally just some scenes as a reward for clearing a challenging fight. no SG or booster rewards on the line.
Normal mode S-Rank clear gives you another Phantom Emblem and SG's.

[Altiea]

im just glad Sega didnt make any rewards for the side story quest. its literally just some scenes as a reward for clearing a challenging fight. no SG or booster rewards on the line.

You know there are Titles for beating Phaleg that net SG, right?

[Madevil]

im just glad Sega didnt make any rewards for the side story quest. its literally just some scenes as a reward for clearing a challenging fight. no SG or booster rewards on the line.

the rewards are in the titles, you have to collect them manually
a phantom weapon camo ticket for s rank, and 20sg for each class

(3 hits combo)

[KazukiQZ]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://puu.sh/vLv3A/0ee5869ecf.jpg


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/304251084241633291/311806324222590976/pso20170510_180629_010.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

It's freaking hard, but really satisfying to beat. xD

[Zangor17]

wow. well this is gonna be a nightmare for me then. I had a rough time clearing solo PD and i was nowhere close to S ranking that. this has healing reduction and weapon immunities. seems nigh impossible for me.

[Flaoc]

the resist seems to be 50% not nearly as ridiculous as anga or regular xq resists so 1 wep is reasonable

[Vatallus]

Pretty much how I feel about this fight.

[SPOILER-BOX]It is so ridiculous how anti-melee she is. Everything she does screams screw melees. Her attacks put her far away from you. She has instant hit attacks that you need to be blocking or in some sort of invinc frame the moment she uses it. I went into this as Fighter and pretty sure I will have an infinitely easier time on anything that can attack her without needing to be close. Bravers can still cheese this though. You'd have to use Katana Combat twice but both times should last long enough to negate each phase of her fight.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/UDGCncB.png


Oh by the way she gets up like nothing happened. Are you shitting me?

[/SPOILER-BOX]

[loafhero]

[SPOILER-BOX]http://i.imgur.com/UDGCncB.png


Oh by the way she gets up like nothing happened. Are you shitting me?

[/SPOILER-BOX]

I mean, our character stopped panting after a while and looked completely okay afterwards. I don't see the problem with Phaleg recovering quickly.

[Ahri]

I clear "vs Phaleg" with all class and the S rank 8-)

[SPOILER-BOX]https://fotos.subefotos.com/4031a6b735a6041a34ba3b22234db99ao.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Vatallus]

I mean, our character stopped panting after a while and looked completely okay afterwards. I don't see the problem with Phaleg recovering quickly.

I know this is just a video game and logic doesn't exist here, but someone who supposedly put everything they had into a fight and lost should not be recovering within moments like nothing happened. She had 0 breathing problems. She got up and dusted herself off and started teleporting again. She essentially recovered faster than us, who was the winner.

With her recovery rate it would literally be impossible for her to ever lose a fight.

[Altiea]

So, apparently I can't dodge even with +10 Step Advance; I always wind up choking a dodge somewhere and it leads to my death. Ugh, remind me how I got Lv. 80 Bouncer again?

[Vatallus]

You got Lv 80 Bouncer by playing the game and having a +35 13* Bouncer weapon. The requirements to reach lv 80 in no way suggest any % of player skill.

I am not suggesting you are bad and I flopped a few times in that fight too due to how punishing it is. All I am saying is reaching lv 80 does not require any form of skill.

Oh and I guess passing Stage 1 to 5 in Heaven and Hell. So I guess there is a bit of skill involved.

[Gaylar]

This fight actually makes me glad I got good with Ignition Parry- getting hit at all during the second phase is pretty much GG with Sword from what I've been experiencing. I can automate with tris through her dash attacks if one clips me but anything else gets in its over.

I'm sure there's other ways to go about it but I only managed this through near perfect IP timing. It got to the point where I didn't even bother with TAJA as anything else I used left me far too vulnerable.

[Altiea]

You got Lv 80 Bouncer by playing the game and having a +35 13* Bouncer weapon. The requirements to reach lv 80 in no way suggest any % of player skill.

I am not suggesting you are bad and I flopped a few times in that fight too due to how punishing it is. All I am saying is reaching lv 80 does not require any form of skill.

Oh and I guess passing Stage 1 to 5 in Heaven and Hell. So I guess there is a bit of skill involved.

Right, sorry. I guess I'm just a little upset with myself that I'm finding this unusually difficult.

[Vatallus]

I like to believe the crater she is laying in at end of the fight was created by my rage.

[loafhero]

I clear "vs Phaleg" with all class and the S rank 8-)

[SPOILER-BOX]https://fotos.subefotos.com/4031a6b735a6041a34ba3b22234db99ao.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

That quickly?! Nice!


I know this is just a video game and logic doesn't exist here, but someone who supposedly put everything they had into a fight and lost should not be recovering within moments like nothing happened. She had 0 breathing problems. She got up and dusted herself off and started teleporting again. She essentially recovered faster than us, who was the winner.

With her recovery rate it would literally be impossible for her to ever lose a fight.

I think its inaccurate to say that Phaleg had zero breathing problems. She collapses upon defeat, after all. For Player, they still regained their breath faster than Phaleg getting back up. If you're referring to how Player looked tired again at the end of the cutscene, there are two ways to interpret that; a) Player is only mentally exhausted at the thought of having to put up with more of her stalking (especially now that she has the Player's contact number); or b) Phaleg does have more stamina than Player but the fact that she lost meant that if Player and her fought to the death, she'd both lose and die and she can't get back up if she's dead so its also inaccurate to say that its impossible for her to lose.

Then there's the fact that Phaleg and Player are superhumanly strong so its reasonable to assume that their stamina and recovery rate completely surpasses normal human expectations. That, or we can just assume that Phaleg's still toying with us and still hasn't really taken us seriously but I highly doubt that because, even without any translations at the moment, Phaleg obviously sounded like she took her defeat really seriously and even says that losing to Player was rather frustrating.

[Vatallus]

There are translations though. If you lose to her she mocks you saying you should be capable of more. If you win she is disappointed with herself because she hasn't actually reached the pinnacle yet.

[Great Pan]

SEGA, please nerf her! I can't win this fight!

[loafhero]

There are translations though. If you lose to her she mocks you saying you should be capable of more. If you win she is disappointed with herself because she hasn't actually reached the pinnacle yet.

That makes sense. We lose? We need to get stronger. Phaleg loses? Her belief and pride that she has reached the pinnacle of humanity is shattered and she resolves to get stronger.

[final_attack]

Gu can win with cheap tactics ..... As shown here (not mine) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIXFG1ehuQ&feature=youtu.be) :wacko:
LockOn (I'm still learning to play with LockOn, sorry) -> JumpingDodge -> ElderRebellion.

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwsrPEwE3cA[/SPOILER-BOX]

You only need to evade Dash attacks and the one that look like AerialShooting's 1st kick because height reach (I forgot the word she said, recorded the run though, I'll see it again later) and it's subsequent attack (exploding drop kick(?)) due to AoE.

Other than that ..... you're safe (well, maybe fire pillar on 2nd phase, but that's pretty much it) :wacko:

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Cleared S rank as Gu (main) and Hu (alt) ........

HuSu (Alt) won without automate and items (using Seiga WL (1st phase) and Seiga Sword (2nd phase) to avoid sword resistance as HuSu though) ....... with Sword only tree (no gear on WL, and grappling type is a no go for TPS mode) .......

[SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlrDoUcHY0c[/SPOILER-BOX]

Used default affixes WL from CF, but at +30 and 60 light.

WL : JG -> Kaiser
Sword : JG (used SonicArrow-CounterRing) -> SonicArrow spam

[Meteor Weapon]

That makes sense. We lose? We need to get stronger. Phaleg loses? Her belief and pride that she has reached the pinnacle of humanity is shattered and she resolves to get stronger.

In other words DBS POWERLEVELS

[loafhero]

I actually feel bad now about that Phaleg defeat scene. She's trained for thousands of years and some ARKS who hasn't even lived nearly that long comes down and kicks her ass? ARKS genetics, man.

[Xaeris]

[spoiler-box]http://i.imgur.com/lLxCoWM.jpg[/spoiler-box]

[Meteor Weapon]

iirc she's not even using Ether to boost herself right? Pure strength wise, she's stronger than MC. Imagine if she abuses Ether lol

[loafhero]

iirc she's not even using Ether to boost herself right? Pure strength wise, she's stronger than MC. Imagine if she abuses Ether lol

Being physically stronger than the Player isn't anything special since Player has spent their ARKS career fighting monsters bigger and stronger than them all the time.

[Dualdiamond]

Hagito would have won the election if this came out earlier. He's such an asshole.

[Dark Emerald EXE]

Phaleg is basically akuma minus the evil intent......and hot.......and probably would be into BDSM with whoever she considers her equal.....

I mean....what

[loafhero]

Phaleg is basically akuma minus the evil intent......and hot.......and probably would be into BDSM with whoever she considers her equal.....

I mean....what

I think Herbert's getting all that BDSM goodness from Phaleg in her free time though I think Phaleg's the only one enjoying it.

[Zanverse]

If anyone managed to beat Phaleg as JB BO, please link a vid or something of how you beat her...

[IchijinKali]

*Watching the onsen scenes*

Well that does it I HATE EVERY SINGLE EPISODE 4 CHARACTER, congrats SEGA. Granted I hated most of them already but those two scenes put them all lower than frickin Reda, who was comic relief for like TWO scenes. But seriously two separate scenes that divulged into being about females getting bigger boobs or for the guys which do they prefer big or small.

As for the Phaleg fight I'm not even going to waste my time.

[Lyrise]

ProTip: Don't forget to grab a drink from the counter before you storm into that fight, since it just dumps you into that battle immediately. It's not really necessary if you're well armed to begin with, but it definitely helps if you're looking to clear the time quota for S rank. (Which you want, it's worth another Phantom Emblem)

[Dark Emerald EXE]

I think Herbert's getting all that BDSM goodness from Phaleg in her free time though I think Phaleg's the only one enjoying it.
Perhaps but Phaleg didn't call Huey....they called the character :P so MC > Huey

[final_attack]

ProTip: Don't forget to grab a drink from the counter before you storm into that fight, since it just dumps you into that battle immediately. It's not really necessary if you're well armed to begin with, but it definitely helps if you're looking to clear the time quota for S rank. (Which you want, it's worth another Phantom Emblem)

And prepare to evade the surprise attack ...... activate 1 stance (if you use class that must use one), the attack will come a bit after stance is activated :D

Failed Chain on Gu ...... ;w;
No Automate / Item on Hu ..... ._.
[SPOILER-BOX]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwsrPEwE3cA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlrDoUcHY0c[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Raujinn]

The only thing I'd want them to change about this fight is to make her stand around for a few seconds at the start. Like at least let us activate our stances...

The rest eh, I feel like the Fire debuff damage thing that hits you through JG is kinda bullshit, esp given how hard it is for anyone who doesn't have anti to remove it and its pretty much RNG.

[Lone Devil]

Phaleg fight is pretty hype. Worth 20 SG.
[SPOILER-BOX]https://i.imgur.com/qvsLHrp.png
https://i.imgur.com/oLFPXeF.png[/SPOILER-BOX]



The rest eh, I feel like the Fire debuff damage thing that hits you through JG is kinda bullshit, esp given how hard it is for anyone who doesn't have anti to remove it and its pretty much RNG.
This is the only complaint I can agree on.

[loafhero]

I think I may have died a little inside watching those two bath scenes....

Ah, and in [178-D], it turns out that Phaleg tried issuing a challenge to Huey and Claris Claes III too. Kinda fitting since Huey and Claris Claes III used to be special chapter, time-limit bosses before. Not to mention that all 3 of them specialize in fire-based attacks.

Now I'm thinking the next Episode should feature a new ARKS tournament like in EP1-EX with updated versions of Huey and Claris Claes III boss fights while giving new ARKS NPCs to team up with.

[Cyber Meteor]

Damn, this fight was pretty hard, i managed to succeed as HU/FI (lvl 80/75) after like 30-40 tries with an A-rank though lol. With swords it seems like nto being greddy with PAs is the key, like just resort to JG, normal attacks and somme Ignition Parry once you've learned more the fight. If sword is your main weapon as HU i would however recommend to keep it for the second part of the fight when she gets a resistance, and doing the 1st with either WL or Partisan, as Sword is more lenient on JG time. In the end you'll need to learn both parts with the 2 weapons you will use in the fight to have a chance xD Oh also, if you use Automate, be really careful with the vertical AOE kick as it'll do more dmg than what a monomate or a dimate or even a trimate can heal (i was at 2100 HP, and a trimate was healing arond 420 HP while this super kick was doing pretty much 370 dmg) which can prevent Automate to trigger as you'll be under 50% HP after heal.

Edit : almost forgot, i really like this fight :D

[Vatallus]

Perhaps but Phaleg didn't call Huey....they called the character :P so MC > Huey

Actually Phaleg tried to call Huey and Krays but Serria ordered them not to go.


The only thing I'd want them to change about this fight is to make her stand around for a few seconds at the start. Like at least let us activate our stances...

The rest eh, I feel like the Fire debuff damage thing that hits you through JG is kinda bullshit, esp given how hard it is for anyone who doesn't have anti to remove it and its pretty much RNG.

Double step twice backwards at the very start of the fight and then activate your stances.

[blkbox11]

Phaleg boss is pretty great. I haven't felt a rush like that in a while, and S-Ranked it on clear too as a bonus.

Gonna need to look for that OST for the second phase though.

[AzurEnd]

I really like this fight it really does force you to learn what shes doing and how your class can deal with it. You have a 7minute timer but her health is pretty low so its pretty much just there to stop you from being too passive. Whats also great is theres many ways to deal with her attacks to the point where you can do the entire fight never being hit as any class.

I did this fight as a Fi/Hu with S Rank using Knuckles and Daggers while pretty much ALWAYS being in Limit Break since if she touches you, you are probably dead anyways(at least in Phase 2) without something like Massive Hunter. Another thing though that really takes wind out of Phaleg's sails is the Air Reversal Ring, stops her from juggling you into guaranteed ground slams.

[Vatallus]

Yeah, this fight is great as melee. I am seeing a lot of videos of range classes completely ignoring her mechanics though.

[TehCubey]

After way too many tries I settled on fornis TD as the weapon that did Phaleg in. I won't lie, iron will helped too.

[Mattykins]

Anyone have any tips for fighting Phaleg was Ra tho?

[AzurEnd]

Anyone have any tips for fighting Phaleg was Ra tho? You can just straight up Jump Over most of her attacks with the right timing. You can also avoid he back and fourth by either dodge timing or jumping as well. You can also try and get either Air Reversal or Massive Hunter Rings or alternatively subbing Hunter.
The only things that may pose a real problem are her stun shots.

[Lyrise]

Anyone have any tips for fighting Phaleg was Ra tho?

RA may just be the most brainless way to wreck Phaleg.

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0StsY1qM8Y[/SPOILER-BOX]

[AzurEnd]

RA may just be the most brainless class to wreck Phaleg.

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0StsY1qM8Y[/SPOILER-BOX]

I completely forgot that Type-0 Skill was a thing and that it also has some start up I-frames....

[Shinamori]

Staying the hell away from her.

[TehCubey]

I completely forgot that Type-0 Skill was a thing and that it also has some start up I-frames....

It's the best rifle PA at the moment.

[Xaelouse]

All those random divekicks in the story and even blazing kicks the entire tower, yet hasn't learned to anti-air properly in her countless years of living. Not the class's fault. The fight just feels really unnatural along with her not getting staggered by at least some of your hits while she's standing still and not really reacting to what you're doing.

[Lyrise]

Of course, Nicolas shows us why he's still considered to be Pro-ARKS.

No UI, no food, no tree, no drink. Edit: and a 1 star katana.

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eVSi3yNkok[/SPOILER-BOX]

[echofaith]

So how much HP does Faleg have anyway? I tried as husu one run and got to 2nd form easily, but then she starts hitting harder so tanking isnt viable. I will prolly end up steamroll her with raw damage instead, but dunno how much she have :S

[AzurEnd]

So how much HP does Faleg have anyway? I tried as husu one run and got to 2nd form easily, but then she starts hitting harder so tanking isnt viable. I will prolly end up steamroll her with raw damage instead, but dunno how much she have :S

Well she can be one shot by Maron on each phase so its anywhere within that 999,999 damage area.

[final_attack]

Well she can be one shot by Maron on each phase so its anywhere within that 999,999 damage area.

Based on written here (http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C%E7%B5%82%E7%84%89%E3% 81%AE%E5%85%B7%E7%8F%BE#ACT3) .... seems to be 750k for each phase (what I took from google translate)

Maybe some translation help?
前半戦、後半戦共にHPは75万前後。

[Mattykins]

Tried the method in the video, and I managed to at least get to her 2nd phase, but not much further. They seem to be doing 9k per tick with Slider-0 tho, soo...

[nguuuquaaa]

SEGA broke Phaleg somehow.
Just Guard = useless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0nQeMfMuH8

[Xaeris]

"God damn, I forgot to ask her about her workout routine."
[spoiler-box]
http://i.imgur.com/OcO84oM.jpg
[/spoiler-box]

So. Those bath scenes are pretty much the most light novel thing I've seen in this game. Which makes them an appropriate end to Episode 4, I suppose. Shame Bethor couldn't make it to the happy ending too though. That would have been lulzy. Also, "these are the results of training." Yeah, that's not how that works. That's actually literally the opposite of how that works.

[Lyrise]

SEGA broke Phaleg somehow.
Just Guard = useless.


It's not broken, the attack is multihit in 3 phases (wave wave kick). you can use Justguard to stop the waves, but the waves themselves are spaced out just barely enough so that you have to guard twice or follow up with something that has iframes (like sidestep). I got myself killed by that attack many many times before realizing what was going on.

[loafhero]

I can believe that Phaleg's physical prowess are the result of training + no-aging over the course of thousands of years but her ability to conjure fire from nowhere? Come on!



So. Those bath scenes are pretty much the most light novel thing I've seen in this game. Which makes them an appropriate end to Episode 4, I suppose.

Not really weird to say that EP4 had the quality of a bad light novel that's most likely to be adapted by A1 Pictures (and still make a shit ton of money).


Shame Bethor couldn't make it to the happy ending too though. That would have been lulzy.

I know most of us don't like Aru but even I don't think the boy deserves to be exposed to the sight of Bethor's wang.


It's not broken, the attack is multihit in 3 phases (wave wave kick). you can use Justguard to stop the waves, but the waves themselves are spaced out just barely enough so that you have to guard twice or follow up with something that has iframes (like sidestep). I got myself killed by that attack many many times before realizing what was going on.

A successful JG normally grants players roughly 1.5 seconds of invulnerability. In that video, it was clear that Phaleg's 2nd phase allows her to bypass that JG success invulnerability period as the spacing between her 1st and 2nd blade kicks were VERY short. Truly, Phaleg is a boss designed to break players out of their comfort zone.

Meanwhile, I just saw a video of a HU/FI beating Phaleg with only a 1* Sword *cries in a corner*

[KingSasuke]

It's not broken, the attack is multihit in 3 phases (wave wave kick). you can use Justguard to stop the waves, but the waves themselves are spaced out just barely enough so that you have to guard twice or follow up with something that has iframes (like sidestep). I got myself killed by that attack many many times before realizing what was going on.

That explains why I was OHKO as Gu earlier it happened so fast and I wasn't sure if it was lag or if that attack hit me more then once.

[final_attack]

Meanwhile, I just saw a video of a HU/FI beating Phaleg with only a 1* Sword *cries in a corner*

There's also ★１DS (I hope I remember it right) and ★１Tmg video ........
saw it on Twitter ......

[nguuuquaaa]

It's not broken, the attack is multihit in 3 phases (wave wave kick). you can use Justguard to stop the waves, but the waves themselves are spaced out just barely enough so that you have to guard twice or follow up with something that has iframes (like sidestep). I got myself killed by that attack many many times before realizing what was going on.

That's what I mean by broke. Some of her 2nd phase attacks are multihit at the same timestamp so Just Guard cannot nullify the other hit. What I mean is while <everything>/SU with Marons and Rose Skewer can trash her within 10 seconds without breaking a sweat, a mechanics that should rewards skillful player is unusable now.

[Xaeris]

Truly, Phaleg is a boss designed to break players out of their comfort zone.

I think that's a good way to sum up this fight. It takes a bunch of the tactics and habits we've been relying on since Episode 1 (facetanking with automate, flinchlocking an enemy to death, running in circles to avoid pretty much anything charged, etc.) and goes "maybe try something else for a change?"

[nguuuquaaa]

I heard <everything>/SU can trash Phaleg so here's a FO/SU run.
On the other hand, HU/FI still struggles because SEGA thinks it's a good idea to dismiss Just Guard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdXyYdSM2Xk

[Xaeris]

Well. I guess Maron spam counts as "something else." It does remind me of earlier in the episode when Katori was complaining about Summoners. "You don't even have to fight!" She knew.

[Altiea]

I had one run where Phaleg simply didn't spawn. That was fun.

[loafhero]

Can't believe us HUs actually have to use step dash now to avoid damage. Really wished I listened to Team Four Star's Piccolo:


https://youtu.be/kvS6zMThiZU

[azami]

ohhhhhhhhh my

[AzurEnd]

Hmm that interesting I never had trouble Just Guarding Phaleg in the second phase. Even if that happened to me I would have just adjusted my strategy since there are plenty of other ways a Hunter can deal with those Kicks.

All Hail Maron, the true Hero of ARKS!

[loafhero]

For one thing, when Phaleg initiates those anti-I-frames leg swipes in the 2nd phase, she moves forward as she does so last I checked. If you're already up close to her, there's a good chance she'll move past you which leaves her rear exposed for a brief period until she finishes those leg swipe animations.

I really wish there was an alternate cutscene where we ask Matoi to fight Phaleg for us. Watching the two of them fight over Player, complete with comfortable chair and popcorn would have been fun.

[Altiea]

Finally did it. Picked up a few tricks from a video I saw, which helped a lot. Guess I was approaching the fight wrong as BO/HU.

Time to do it with every other class.

[Xaeris]

Was trying some other classes for laughs. Nabarta-0 works absurdly well for TE here. It's visually impressive too: flame kicks, meet ice wall. And Burn provides plenty of PP to fuel it via Anti. I still haven't quite won as Te, but it's really fun to watch and play.

[Cyber Meteor]

On the other hand, HU/FI still struggles because SEGA thinks it's a good idea to dismiss Just Guard.

But JG works on all of her attacks on both phases, Ignition Parry on the other hand works on 1st phase but on 2nd phase there is the vertical AOE kick that i somehow never managed to trigger Ignition Parry and i'm pretty sure i got the right timing, it's exactly the same as in 1st phase, so seems like it doesn't work on that attack while JG still works xD.

[Vatallus]

That moment a side story boss is harder than any other boss in this game. (When you are playing melee)

[final_attack]

At least it isn't so hard when playing sword Hu (SonicArrow + CounterRing) or WL Hu (JG + KaiserRise) ._.

Dunno about Partizan since I never tried it.

Gu felt much harder than Hu when I tried it (unless I'm using cheap tactic).

[Cyber Meteor]

Dunno about Partizan since I never tried it.

Well i actually tried partisan in both phases, so i can tell you a few things : Partisan JG frame is shorter than sword or even WL which means the timing must be more precise (aka right when you get hit rather than a bit before, very close to Double Saber parry), this shorten JG timing also shortens the i-frames too so be careful with the 2 slow wave kicks at close range as you'll need to do 2 JG to block those 2 instead of 1 JG for 2 with sword (i didn't use WL yet against her so idk for that one). Also, the after-PA animation of partisan will prevent you from JG any attack until it's done which happened to be a real problem in phase 2.
Then for Vol graptor combos, you can do it but don't charge Vol just JA it, then SLide End + Assault buster can work however, doing that combo in full will often expose you to her next attack but there are some cases where you'll be safe that you need to learn, so if you're unsure just do either Vol + Slide or Vol + Assault, Slide and Assault do same dmg so you can choose which one you prefer and those 3 are chargeable PAs which is good for the Charge Parry skill ^^.
Finally due to the shorten JG and i-frame, using partisan in 2nd phase isn't recommended imo due to the uncancellable after-PA animation, sure you can charge another PA right after that but 1) the JA timing won't necessarily match properly with her next attack, 2) what can you do when you run out of PP? xD . I first was doing Sword in 1st phase then partisan in 2nd phase but then i switched: partisan for phase 1 then sword for phase 2 and managed to win after a few tries.

So in phase 1 it's good, but for phase 2 it's very risky to use that weapon

PS : for sword in 2nd phase i was mostly doing JG then normal attacks with the normal atk ring :p

[final_attack]

That Partizan's less JG frame and additional animation though ........ seems to be really bad ._________.

I didn't try Partizan before, since I don't have any grinded Partizan on my arsenal (Hu-main mostly only used for solo money making in UQ before, when I still had more free time ^^; Using sword-main and occasional Gunslash / WL only when Anga resist Sword ^^; )

Yeah, that 2nd-phase though. Additional speed(?), burn, attack (meteor(?) / fire pillar(?)) .......... more flashy too, making the view a bit harder >.<
Thankfully using Sword isn't that bad for phase 2 (I happened to focus mainly to Sword as Hu-main, so, better equipment compared to WL and Partizan). NormalAttackRing indeed helps (combined with that SacrificeBite) XD

WL's JG timing felt like guarding with sword, so, felt ok for me (dunno about invincibility compared to sword, since I'm using Sword's counter ring) :D
I don't have WL counter (HeavenlyFall), so I just JG -> KaiserRise (mostly due to speed, short animation, and range ..... damage is good enough too) ^^;

[loafhero]

I've seen some amazing Sword HU/FIs vs Phaleg videos that make the fight look like a work of art. This is by far my favourite:

[SPOILER-BOX]
https://youtu.be/42C__3BpP6s

Its so darn relaxing to look at.[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Cyber Meteor]

So that vertical AOE kick can actually be Igniton-parried in phase 2, for some reasons i never managed to succeed it in that phase while i can do it in 1st phase ezpz xD

[nguuuquaaa]

But JG works on all of her attacks on both phases, Ignition Parry on the other hand works on 1st phase but on 2nd phase there is the vertical AOE kick that i somehow never managed to trigger Ignition Parry and i'm pretty sure i got the right timing, it's exactly the same as in 1st phase, so seems like it doesn't work on that attack while JG still works xD.
Not all attacks.
Also the fire charge attacks can break Just Guard too.

SEGA broke Phaleg somehow.
Just Guard = useless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0nQeMfMuH8

[Chalun-k_x_light]

Somehow,her dash attack is the hardest to dodge for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfHMg8j1aks

[AzurEnd]

Not all attacks.
Also the fire charge attacks can break Just Guard too.

In the video shown by Loaf the person JG'd the aforementioned attack.

[loafhero]

That ground stomp of hers can either be JG'd or Ignition Parried. Its those two leg sweeps which sends fire blades that should be dodged. As shown in nguuuquaaa's video, those leg sweeps ignore JG. Since Phaleg always moves forward on the first leg sweep, if you're close to her, she might pass you. If you're far, as long as you recognize the telegraph, dash away.

[AnikaSteinberg]

Was trying some other classes for laughs. Nabarta-0 works absurdly well for TE here. It's visually impressive too: flame kicks, meet ice wall. And Burn provides plenty of PP to fuel it via Anti. I still haven't quite won as Te, but it's really fun to watch and play.

Absolutely agree on the Nabarta T-0 one. Not only does it provide Techers their own (rather epic for this specific fight) JG, it effectively manages to nullify using its native i-frames the entire phase 2 burn kick multi-hits that normal Just Guard otherwise wouldn't perfectly be able to. On that notion, Phaleg is perhaps the best boss to test and practice standard Nabarta T-0 use for Techers.

[echofaith]

From videos it seems Faleg have around 400k per phase. I am lazy to do it the proper way, so I will do x/su on all classes for titles. Assuming no multipliers aside from innate Su ones (for fosu, husu, rasu and such), around how much preparation do you need from a Maron to be hitting around 200k at biggest tumor level?

[Altiea]

Absolutely agree on the Nabarta T-0 one. Not only does it provide Techers their own (rather epic for this specific fight) JG, it effectively manages to nullify using its native i-frames the entire phase 2 burn kick multi-hits that normal Just Guard otherwise wouldn't perfectly be able to. On that notion, Phaleg is perhaps the best boss to test and practice standard Nabarta T-0 use for Techers.

So, is this the only place where Nabarta 0 is actually good?

[Alenoir]

From videos it seems Faleg have around 400k per phase. I am lazy to do it the proper way, so I will do x/su on all classes for titles. Assuming no multipliers aside from innate Su ones (for fosu, husu, rasu and such), around how much preparation do you need from a Maron to be hitting around 200k at biggest tumor level?

Heard from somewhere that it's 750k/750k. May be scaled to level. Anyways, a 600k pillow can't down her in one hit, you need some extra hits to get it over with.

[Vatallus]

[SPOILER-BOX]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239755212913508352/312310911908052992/eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL2ltYWdlcy1leHQtMi5kaXNjb3JkYX BwLm5ldC9leUoxY213aU9pSm9kSFJ3T2k4dmJXMXZiRzlrWVM1 .png[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Meteor Weapon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9Y6S7jMvI

[Raujinn]

Having attempted it a few more times and finally got my S-rank (2:29 HuFi sword) I'm beginning to think that the "unblockable while on fire" thing is a myth and its simply that Just-Guard Photon Arts are bugged.

This only really matters in the 2nd phase, all her phase 1 attacks are blockable.

In phase 2, her kick shockwaves are unblockable if you're in the wrong position in front of her and her dash attack spawns a firey explosion at some position; meaning if youre in the wrong spot the dash and explosion hit at once. I've also experienced this bug in other fights, which leads me to conclude that Just Guard PAs are only capable of blocking one hitbox per frame. If more than one hits at once (or possibly a frame apart? Not gone that in depth testing it) you'll take damage from the rest of the hitboxes which can interrupt your counter PA. IIRC I have had this happen during an Ignite Parry (get the sound cue that I landed the parry but then get interrupted and take damage anyway).

So it's a bug that's been around for a while, it's just it happens that the nature of Phaleg's attacks in Phase 2 trigger the bug much more frequently. Perhaps Sega will finally take notice of this, cause it'd be nice to have more difficult challenges like this but it's hardly fair to have a set of classes crippled by a bug like this.

[Vatallus]

Remember only 5% of players are suppose to be able to beat her. Ya'll are obviously lying and the videos of her mechanics being completely ignored are fake.

Ok, I'm done joking. Sega is just stupid.

[AnikaSteinberg]

So, is this the only place where Nabarta 0 is actually good?

Kind of? Personally I use Nabarta T-0 anywhere, everywhere, it's my wand's "action button", second to TCP ring. It doesn't have to be held down, it doesn't even have to give any damage imo (a welcome added effect for the Phaleg duel tho), it just needs to be pinched a bit, just like a normal Just Guard, so as not to drain PP.

[Loveless62]

[spoiler-box]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9Y6S7jMvI[/spoiler-box]
I find it charming that the player is still exhausted during the cutscene after that vigorous 47 seconds.


Remember only 5% of players are suppose to be able to beat her. Ya'll are obviously lying and the videos of her mechanics being completely ignored are fake.

Ok, I'm done joking. Sega is just stupid.
They also announced (in the same Bumped report) that damage against her is capped to 999,999, which is odd when she doesn't even have enough health for that to be relevant.

[Xaeris]

Throwing pillows is exhausting, don't you know?

[milranduil]

Having attempted it a few more times and finally got my S-rank (2:29 HuFi sword) I'm beginning to think that the "unblockable while on fire" thing is a myth and its simply that Just-Guard Photon Arts are bugged.

This only really matters in the 2nd phase, all her phase 1 attacks are blockable.

In phase 2, her kick shockwaves are unblockable if you're in the wrong position in front of her and her dash attack spawns a firey explosion at some position; meaning if youre in the wrong spot the dash and explosion hit at once. I've also experienced this bug in other fights, which leads me to conclude that Just Guard PAs are only capable of blocking one hitbox per frame. If more than one hits at once (or possibly a frame apart? Not gone that in depth testing it) you'll take damage from the rest of the hitboxes which can interrupt your counter PA. IIRC I have had this happen during an Ignite Parry (get the sound cue that I landed the parry but then get interrupted and take damage anyway).

So it's a bug that's been around for a while, it's just it happens that the nature of Phaleg's attacks in Phase 2 trigger the bug much more frequently. Perhaps Sega will finally take notice of this, cause it'd be nice to have more difficult challenges like this but it's hardly fair to have a set of classes crippled by a bug like this.
it's funny because this bug has existed since df elder. there is a small position when he does a two arm thrust onto the platform where both arms can hit you simultaneously meaning when you block, you still take a chunk of damage anyway. i wouldn't expect this to be fixed any time soon or at all tbh.


Kind of? Personally I use Nabarta T-0 anywhere, everywhere, it's my wand's "action button", second to TCP ring. It doesn't have to be held down, it doesn't even have to give any damage imo (a welcome added effect for the Phaleg duel tho), it just needs to be pinched a bit, just like a normal Just Guard, so as not to drain PP.

the damage you get for the pp cost of blocking with nabarta0 is awful... you are much better off stepping and abusing TCP to cast techs that actually do damage. phaleg has very specific openings to use stuff like gimegid or nazan0.

[yoshiblue]

All that commanding and intense concentration, man. Plus the stare downs and epic mind games. Welcome to the PKMN trainer life.

[AnikaSteinberg]

the damage you get for the pp cost of blocking with nabarta0 is awful...

Hmm, 11 PP (I said pinch, not hold) per "ice" JG isn't too bad imo. Forces of course have much better options and things to do for Phaleg phase 2, but for Techers it is a very nice i-frame buffed addition, especially with the aforementioned Phaleg's phase 2 multi-kicks that TCP (blocks 1 hit only), (wand) step and JG cannot perfectly evade without some damage leaking through. Not like we whacking Techers have anything to offensively cast for TCP blocking except zanverse and ramegid T-0 anyway :D

EDIT:
Though yeah, Nabarta T-0 damage still sucks compared to every other conventional option.

[Raujinn]

it's funny because this bug has existed since df elder. there is a small position when he does a two arm thrust onto the platform where both arms can hit you simultaneously meaning when you block, you still take a chunk of damage anyway. i wouldn't expect this to be fixed any time soon or at all tbh..

I had a feeling it was an older issue but I didn't really trust my memory that much. Good to know I wasn't crazy and my just guards were occasionally just not working. They may not fix it, I just figured seeing as this fight in particular it's much easier to encounter the bug that more people would become aware of it. Awareness might mean a fix, or the dev team will somehow remain ignorant of it (I mean surely they must have encountered it themselves when they tested the... you know I'm not finishing this thought...).

[Vatallus]

[SPOILER-BOX]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_jM2dSVYAEtHQI.jpg[/SPOILER-BOX]

[Xaeris]

Assuming that's a perfect copy, Phaleg's arms are unnaturally skinny now that I see them from this angle. Top lel otherwise.

[loafhero]

Maron, the real Demon.

Its really too bad that they didn't bother altering the cutscene for a Summoner character. The side cutscene between Pietro and Katori even admits that Summoner doesn't require any physical exertion. Then again, they didn't bother to change Phaleg's facial expression while she's in the midst of delivering that phoenix kick. Just try to keep a straight face as you see Phaleg keep that same expression even though she yells pretty loudly as she does the phoenix kick.

[Vatallus]

A lot of female chars in this game seem to have really skinny arms.

[Lyrise]

That made me laugh a little too hard. Consider my drink spit out.

[loafhero]

The only way to make this perfect is to combine both One Punch Man and Maron into one meme.

[nguuuquaaa]

it's funny because this bug has existed since df elder. there is a small position when he does a two arm thrust onto the platform where both arms can hit you simultaneously meaning when you block, you still take a chunk of damage anyway. i wouldn't expect this to be fixed any time soon or at all tbh.

I did speculate that some of her attacks are multihit at the same timestamp which causes unblockable Just Guard. So I'm now wrong then.

Welp, one can only hope that since Phaleg fight has more frequency of this bug, people will report and it will be fixed.

[Chalun-k_x_light]

I find it charming that the player is still exhausted during the cutscene after that vigorous 47 seconds.

Well,throwing Maron to make a high damage like that is quite exhausting you know.LoL

Joke aside,since in story I assume that Player-Chan's class is probably Fi/Hu.So no wonder why he/she seems to be exhausted in the cutscenes.Knowing that she's hard for close range type.

[loafhero]

The Coat Doublis that Player uses in cutscenes is an all-class weapon, though. Kind of a handicap too since its a 12* weapon and being an all-class weapon by default means that its damage output isn't so great.

[Altiea]

The Coat Doublis that Player uses in cutscenes is an all-class weapon, though.

I think it can be assumed that the Player is either Hunter or Fighter, since Persona uses Coat Edge D and Coat Doublis D, and since Persona is just an alternate timeline version of the player, the Player and Persona should be using the same weapons.

[loafhero]

I think it can be assumed that the Player is either Hunter or Fighter, since Persona uses Coat Edge D and Coat Doublis D, and since Persona is just an alternate timeline version of the player, the Player and Persona should be using the same weapons.

Though in the first Katori cutscene of EP4, Player is said to have a reputation for having mastered all the classes in canon. EP4 Player has completely diverged from Persona's path, after all.

[NightlightPro]

hmmm S ranked Phaleg with Superior Wanda

[Vatallus]

https://youtu.be/iMIXFG1ehuQ

[Tymek]

So this thread is basically dead now? There isn't much left to discuss. They BS'd most of the story, and that about covers Episode 4.

[Altiea]

So this thread is basically dead now? There isn't much left to discuss. They BS'd most of the story, and that about covers Episode 4.

Well... the story's over. There's not much to talk about until the Materials Collection drops.

[loafhero]

So this thread is basically dead now? There isn't much left to discuss. They BS'd most of the story, and that about covers Episode 4.

All that's left now is for someone to post an Episode 5 Story Discussion thread after the upcoming PSO2 Station, assuming there's any story content info worth talking about from said livestream.

[Tymek]

The track names gave me angina. (http://bumped.org/psublog/phantasy-star-online-2-original-soundtrack-volume-6-tracklist/)

[Meteor Weapon]

Should have sticked Deus's theme's name with Dynasty or IDOLA. I'd prefer the fan names such as Angelic Dynasty, Divine Dynasty and IDOLA The Almighty Cataclysm. The things they are naming the tracks these days are just goddamn lazy, EP3 tracks had the same problem.

[yoshiblue]

Don't know why but 9.) HITSUGI being shown the way it is makes it look like it would be a heavy metal track to me.

[Kondibon]

The things they are naming the tracks these days are just goddamn lazy

the tracks these days are just goddamn lazy

the tracks these days

these days
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Sticking IDOLA on everything, and using "whatever probe" isn't lazy?

The names aren't any better or worse than the old stuff. But who even cares about the names?

[yoshiblue]

Could be seen as tradition by now, and since its PSO2, one would think their greater bosses would have an Idola in their song title. For Falz bosses at least anyways.

[Kondibon]

Could be seen as tradition by now, and since its PSO2, one would think their greater bosses would have an Idola in their song title. For Falz bosses at least anyways.I actually like the IDOLA titles, I just feel like there's a pretty weird double standard here.

[Meteor Weapon]

Anga Fundarge just being Anga Fundarge, Veil Hunar just being Veil Hunar. If that wasn't lazy I don't know what it is. Well that's only a few of them but considering good themes having a really simplistic name just really bugs me. Well I guess im just being picky lol. Other than that I just kinda wished the the field names having some clever unique name like the ones in PSO1. Simply naming them "Field" Probes- "Planet" - Calm/Battle is...uh....boring. Yep I'm just picky lol. _(<:3/

[yoshiblue]

Certainly less interesting than Mother Earth of Dishonesty 1&2, Jungle -A Lush Load- or Revive the Sacred Rough Wave.

[Altiea]

I'm fairly certain IDOLA naming is reserved exclusively for Falzes. Mother isn't actually a Falz, so she doesn't count.

[Cyber Meteor]

It was definitly a surprise for me to see there wasn't a "Dynasty or IDOLA" name this time, but i don't mind that much either. Though as for some of the lazyness it's funny to see the events musics got more inspired track names than the areas/boss ones (except UQ Amdusica boss). Also WTF is Cherub ? I mean what is that word, not what track it's supposed to be :p (looks like the Deus Hunar and Ages Theme while Eden would be Deus Esca fight)

EDIT : @Altiea well they used IDOLA for Olga Flow in PSO1 which wasn't a Falz, and idk if Shambertin (IDOLA The Fanatic Viper) was one either but the meteor which he came from had same effect as Falz corruption on the planet :???: So if IDOLA is only for falzes, it's a PSO2 thing not a tradition with IDOLA track name since they exist

[Kondibon]

I'm fairly certain IDOLA naming is reserved exclusively for Falzes. Mother isn't actually a Falz, so she doesn't count.Pretty sure the reason she didn't get an IDOLA theme is because her main theme is "the place of death" for the exact kind of reason people would want her to have IDOLA in her theme. It's so heavily associated with Mother Brain now that it makes sense. Like Cyber Meteor said, PSO1 used it for non-falz bosses.


Also WTF is Cherub ?Cherubim are class of angels. Nowadays the name is associated with little winged babies, but those are actually something completely unrelated.

[Cyber Meteor]

Cherubim are class of angels. Nowadays the name is associated with little winged babies, but those are actually something completely unrelated.

Ah okay thanks ^^

[Tymek]

It's odd that they write "ESC-A" as "Esca" even though the game and the anime and every single thing related to EP4 established that it's "ESC-A".

Also, ROAD TO EL DORADO Y'ALL

[Zanverse]

Oh boy. That last part of 'Race through El Dorado! - Stand by -' really caught me off guard. I've never heard that transition sequence in-game ever.

I was dissapointed that Deus got a short and simple name like 'Eden'. I already guessed that he wouldn't get an 'IDOLA' title because, well, he isn't a Falz. But they could've given him something longer and gaudy.

What's you guys' favorite songs off this specific volume?

[Massaki]

I have to say that Tears of the moon -Artemis- and -Selene- are my outright favorite tracks of this Soundtrack Volume. I've been waiting forever for them ever since their debut in the Moon Story Quest segments.

It's a damn shame that they're probably not going to be repurposed for anything else down the road and that makes me sad.

(Moon Field/Base AQ when Sega)

[Tymek]

I have to say that Tears of the moon -Artemis- and -Selene- are my outright favorite tracks of this Soundtrack Volume. I've been waiting forever for them ever since their debut in the Moon Story Quest segments.

It's a damn shame that they're probably not going to be repurposed for anything else down the road and that makes me sad.

(Moon Field/Base AQ when Sega)

Fantastic.

[arnd]

Artemis is the battle version, likely doubling down on her being the goddess of the hunt. Selene in this particular case would be the scenery version.

[Tymek]

Ah, you're right. My bad! Thank you!

[Altiea]

The EP4 Materials Collection was announced! Hopefully the book tells us what the crap happened during this... "story". Not to hate on it, but it simultaneously managed to be both the most easily predictable plot ever and the most convoluted plot ever, somehow.

This thread will be updated with pics and stuff once the book falls into my hands.

[loafhero]

Nice. Concept art is always fun to watch.

[Tymek]

The EP4 Materials Collection was announced! Hopefully the book tells us what the crap happened during this... "story". Not to hate on it, but it simultaneously managed to be both the most easily predictable plot ever and the most convoluted plot ever, somehow.

This thread will be updated with pics and stuff once the book falls into my hands.

Hooray!

Also, you got a new avatar! Cool!

[Tymek]

The EP4 Materials Collection is out now!

[Altiea]

The EP4 Materials Collection is out now!

Unfortunately, my local Kinokuniya won't deliver the copy I ordered until next week, so I'll be a week off release.

[Tymek]

Phul and Och partners (https://twitter.com/tsubutengu_pso2/status/943430363388436481)

[loafhero]

Phul and Och partners (https://twitter.com/tsubutengu_pso2/status/943430363388436481)

Karma Houdinis indeed.

[StreetFighter2242]

To move back to PSO2, I just got around to watching 126-C in english(and the rest of the recent update), and I like the parallels to Phantasy Star II a lot. Mother is becoming more machine like, which is obviously the Mother Brain reference there, but I also like that Mother purposely absorbed a Falz and is losing control from what I understand, which is exactly what happened in PSII, Mother Brain was infected by Dark Falz and went nuts.
I got it when I watched it in game, but it really makes a difference to watch it in english, my japanese just isn't good enough yet.

Episode 4 is poorly written, but I love to think of it as a new reimagining of PSII, keeps me interested to see how they redo that game in this.


"Reimagining" Huh? Okay.

I'll admit. I laughed. when i saw that.

[StreetFighter2242]

Ooh, so now their trying to be Fullmetal Alchemist now? What's next? Phaleg is a homunculus? Player loses an arm and a leg? Player and Matoi propose to each other in the nerdiest way possible? Aru's soul gets attached into a metal body? Player's support partner gets horribly transmuted to become a chimera hybrid? Romi Park finally gets casted into the Story? :-P :-P :-P



Though not as grimdark as PSII. I mean, whoa! One early quest ends with an old man accidentally killing his own daughter and then killing himself afterwards in horror. That's some The Last of Us levels of dark and tragedy!


Yeah......*Sighs*