True or False

[CakeMan]

i've been reading these theories on phantasy star and i don't know what to believe so u tell me what u think...

"A Newman's lifespan is not definite. I may die tomorrow. Nobody knows. Science and technology. It's not as almighty as many people believe." --Sue, "Waterfall Tears"
Much has been made of the above quote since Phantasy Star Online's release. It's definitely right up there with Bernie's comment about the 10-nation-alliance as one of the most talked about lines of dialogueue from Phantasy Star Online.

The trouble is, see, I don't believe it.

Sue's comment here is very intriguing, but after thinking a lot about it, I'm 100% convinced it's not true. Why? Well, that's simple.

Because of Dr. Jean Carlo Montague.

When the Hunter's Guild offers you the quest "Doc's Secret Plan," the Guild tells us, "Dr. Montague is a renowned scientist in bio-technology. He needs help." Dr. Montague is also a FOnewm. Now if Sue is correct, and PSO's Numans really do just drop dead at any time, then considering Dr. Montague is (A) a bio-technology expert and (B) a Numan himself, why is he creating pink androids and sending you down to Ragol to test weapons instead of finding a way to make 100% sure he'll wake up in the morning? It doesn't make sense!

I'm going to risk raising the wrath of my fellow Algoian Scholars here, but I'm going to flat-out say Sue is wrong and PSO Numan lifespans are not indefinite -- at least not in the "I could die tomorrow" sense she uses. I have no doubt, however, that Sue believes what she is saying. Considering the fact that Sue works for Black Paper, it's highly probable that she was a creation of Black Paper: genetically bred by the crime syndicate specifically to be a courier for them. (Or an assassin, or who knows what else Sue is capable of.)

Keeping in mind that Black Paper is generally made up of Not-So-Good People, I think Black Paper probably installed a "kill switch" inside Sue -- an instant-termination device to be used to "eliminate the evidence" should Sue ever attempt to leave the group. It is because of this kill switch that she could die at any time; but rather than tell Sue the truth ("Betray us and we kill you, no hard feelings!"), Black Paper probably just told her that Numan lifespans aren't definite.

Maybe Dr. Montague is so eccentric that he doesn't care if he drops dead tomorrow; he's going to work on his androids anyway. But I think the Doc is smarter than that. Or, others have suggested that Montague is a "better made" Numan, perhaps bred in a government lab whereas Sue was probably bred by Black Paper. Montague, being of "higher quality," doesn't have to RSVP with "As long as I don't drop dead between now and then, I'll be there!"

But I don't think that's the case, either. Sue makes no mention of different quality Numans, and in fact, her words definitely seem to be implying that she's speaking of the Numan race as a whole.

No, I think the whole "indefinite lifespans of PSO Numans" thing is yet another conspiracy perpetuated by Black Paper. Someone call Mulder and Scully -- I'm sure the Cigarette-Smoking Man is somewhere in Mine 2.

[rena-ko]

hm... lets say that newmans are genetically instable and could die from one day to another - maybe sue is depressive about this fact and risks her life as a hunter and maybe dr. montague invests all the time he has into ult and elenor and converts enemy parts for free because he wants to leave something of worth when he dies.

i mean, when you know you have aids or something, you can go and pity yourself all the time or you can go and to the best you can with your life - or even better go and create something that will be of matter even when you're dead.
elenor is the best example, in montagues case.

hm... sue is definitely fatalistic thinking. that may be the cause that she works for said organization.

for further, i personally lack some info:
newmans grow adult very fast?
sue really works for black paper (i might have missed that part somewhere)?

[CakeMan]

Sue
- Oh, Hi... I didn't expect to find you here... ...... What? Do you have anything to
tell me?

If you say "Nothing."
- Are you sure?
- ...Huh? Anything else?

[This repeats until player selects "About Black Paper."]

If you say "About Black Paper."
- ...... Black Paper? I know it. They're traders who sell weapons, and parts of
androids and slaves. No one actually runs it. It's a syndicate that runs a black
market. That's all I know about it. And? Is there a reason you asked? ......
- Can I leave now?

If you gave Sue your name in "Dr. Osto's Research" and told Bernie about Sue in
"Unsealed Door"...

[Meet Bernie.]

Bernie
- Hey, it's you. You're safe... guess you haven't met the Black Hound face-to-face yet.
It's an assassin of Black Paper. What did you do? Why are you being followed by one?
Perhaps... you knew or saw something regarding Pioneer 1, right? You don't look like
you're even aware of it. Ha ha, you look so confused. Do you want to know more?

If you say "No."
- If you're not interested, that's OK. Forget about it. But... Be careful.

If you say "Yes."
- It's strange, but I trust you. Let me tell you about this... As you may know, Black
Paper isn't a normal group of traders. It is another facet of the 10-nation-alliance.
Black Paper also has assassins that are used by various organizations. Are you still
confused? In short... Black Paper is under the same people that worked on the Pioneer
Project. That's everything. But I suspect that these accidents on Ragol are not
coincidences. And I know Black Paper is looking for something underneath the ground.
...that girl, too... There must be something there. Perhaps you're getting too close
to it. Whatever it is, it must be holding the secret...
- Be careful, anyway. I'm working with a guy to crack open this case. It would be great
if you could help us out... See you later.




Sue
- ...You again... [NAME]? Are you following me? It doesn't seem like it'll work. Just
kidding. What? Oh, please! What do you really want to know!?

If you say "Why were you on board?"
- Why was I on Pioneer 2? I had no real reason. I just wanted to leave our planet. I
wanted to see something new. That's it. So I joined the Pioneer 2 project. May I
go now?

If you say "What is your purpose?"
- My purpose? Just research. Personal research. I want to know what's living
underground on Ragol. That's it. I'm going to the ruins. I don't need any help.
...... I have to go now.

Yes they indirectly tell you sue is in black paper... read the bold (Unless i'm reading it wrong.)

[CakeMan]

Hey, it's you. You're safe... guess you haven't met the Black Hound face-to-face yet.
It's an assassin of Black Paper. What did you do? Why are you being followed by one?
Perhaps... you knew or saw something regarding Pioneer 1, right? You don't look like
you're even aware of it. Ha ha, you look so confused. Do you want to know more?

okay i think thats correct.

[Cross_Winder]

all that needs to be said here is that any1 from black paper cannot be trusted therefore anything sue says is not true (SO DONT BELIEVE HER)

[MagicPink]

So what exactly are we voting true or false on? You're post is pretty confusing on that.

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Blah, montague's profession is poor evidence to disprove the not-definate newman lifespan.

He's a pimp. He likes to pull off elenor's arms and unf unf unf, since he could die any day! X3

[phasma]

geeezzzzz itz just a game....over-analyze it all and u suck the fun righttt out http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[ABDUR101]

On 2003-05-02 06:53, SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko wrote:
He's a pimp. He likes to pull off elenor's arms and unf unf unf, since he could die any day! X3


ahaha, aye..now that's just what I wanted to read after getting off work. XD

I agree!

[Realm]

buddy... you have WAY to much time on your hands.

[Whatley]

I think she meant that she could die at anytime because of her involvement with Black Paper.

[Iron]

Like Sue said " the life of a newman is not definite, I could die tomorrow" But it could live for a long time.
Dr. montague could live 3,4,5 thousand years because his life is indefinite, it doesn`t have a certain end. Dr.montague may have researched his lifespan and found that hi will live for a long time. Maybe that why he isn`t too preocupied for his life.





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[IceBlink]

I believe that she's probably referring to herself as a hunter. Hunters' lives are dangerous, and it's possible they might die at any time due to the danger.

I can't remember where I read about a shortened life-span, but certainly nothing about genetic instability which would make them 'drop dead'...

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Wah, she said that she could die at any moment, and blames science. Science! Bioengineered newmans! Pu...

[ophiel]

I totally agree with this theory. A newmans lifespan cannot be indefinate. She must have said those things because shes been kept in the dark.

After all, Its much easier to control someone if they think theyre going to die, and you offer yourself as their only salvation.

Its a black paper plot. Plain and simple.

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[kagero]

Wow, this is deep! lol, not ready for this kinda conversation today! lol, maybe ill comment monday! hehe

[Trickstr]

Ok the first comment I'm making is it's just a game.

Next how do you know Dr Montague isn't working on how to extend his life?, hell maybee ult and elenor and the "mag embrios" are an experiment Who knows?

[Kalbelgarion]

That theory from the first post is from Mike Ripplinger's page at Camineet.net (http://www.camineet.net/theories/psonumans.shtml).

Anyway, I agree with Mike's theory in this case. Since Montague is a Bio expert, I would expect that he would devote ALL of his time to making sure that he will be alive tomorrow. Mike makes a really good case, and I can't believe that PSO's Newmans could just die at any time, any where.

[Escoteric]

Then again, it's possible that it's just not a very clear translation from the Japanese.

[Shimarisu]

Yeah, since this seems amazingly important to some people, I'll check it out next time I can select that quest - I'll put the game in Japanese mode and let people know what it says.

Though it's probably in reference to Nei, from Phantasy Star 2 (I won't spoiler those who haven't played it.)

Or maybe she is referring to FSOD-X? LOL. Yeah, science sure isn't so impressive, 2003 and games are still pulling this sort of shit.

- Shimarisu