Do we have a Gigantix storm calendar for JP?

[Zarixx]

Title.

I saw there was one on reddit for both Global and JP originally since Storm times were fairly in sync for quite a while, but now Storms for JP are desynced completely from it.

[oratank]

https://twitter.com/Mr_Rappy/status/1412693826624319492

[SolRiver]

https://pso2ngs.swiki.jp/index.php?Sandbox%2F%E5%A4%A9%E5%80%99%E3%82%BF%E3 %82%A4%E3%83%A0%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%83%96%E3%83%A B

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Enjoy your calendar while you can, at least you won't have to worry about the Gigantix retreating during the fight.

https://pso2.jp/players/support/bugfixes/i_measures_20210709_1/

EDIT: Also they are changing it so underlevelled players don't count to the HP, can only do 1 damage, and don't get any drops. NICE!

[oratank]

well that mean 340 Gigantix for us to hunt or it will retreat if nobody fighting them?

[FOnewearl-Lina]

It says they won't retreat while engaged in battle, so I guess you get to keep fighting until you wipe.

[ArcaneTechs]

well that mean 340 Gigantix for us to hunt or it will retreat if nobody fighting them?

It means the following:
-Gigantix will not retreat as long as it's being battled still (whether it matters what the persons level is thats still fighting it is unknown)
-Gigantix will obviously disappear when the Storm has ended if no one is fighting it, they don't just spawn and wonder around after the Storm is gone.
-All the under Lv20 leeches thinking they're contributing with the 1's they're hitting with the actual Lv20 players will no longer effect Gigantix's HP pool and they will receive absolutely nothing for participating (which this is how it should have been from the start)
-Get ready for the influx of ppl swapping blocks way more to get more chances at Gigantix loot
-The posted timed Storm encounter schedule for Gigantix will no longer mean anything because Sega is yet again claiming another "bug" and is now pushing Storms as completely random. Whether people will be able to pull data about times after maintenance is not a definite thing for consistency yet.

I've frankly grown tired of ppl under Lv20 making the fight difficult to clear so I'm very glad they get nothing now. It's been one whole month now, if you aren't Lv20 already thats on you.

This is also very likely that they're doing this in prep for Gigantix Nex Dragon

[Kondibon]

I've frankly grown tired of ppl under Lv20 making the fight difficult to clear so I'm very glad they get nothing now. It's been one whole month now, if you aren't Lv20 already thats on you.To be fair, a lot of people straight up just don't know. It's been incredibly frustrating seeing a bunch of people reinact the woman yelling at the cat meme without even bothering to explain why being underleveled for it is bad.

Also, not everyone started at launch or happens to be on a level 20 class all the time.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

To be fair, a lot of people straight up just don't know.
The game tells you when your level is insufficient to do damage, I'm pretty 99% of these people are just there to leech.

[Kondibon]

The game tells you when your level is insufficient to do damage, I'm pretty 99% of these people are just there to leech.

Yes, but it doesn't explain how the scaling works, or any of the things that would cause problems for other people. And all the Gigantix one tells you is that they appear based on the weather, and "if your class level and equipment aren't up to the task, it's best to avoid them". It doesn't mention how short the storms can be, or the fact that by scaling up the boss when you can't do full damage, you're making it harder for everyone else. Most people's thoughts are "oh, wow, a thing is happening, I want to join in".
I legitimately just hate the word leech in this context. People have way too much contempt for anyone who simply doesn't know anything because no one explained it to them.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Yes, but it doesn't explain how the scaling works, or any of the things that would cause problems for other people.
It shouldn't have to. If you're going to camp North Aerio 001 or any of the higher numbered blocks, and stand around on the ruins where everyone else is level 20, and then a lvl 24 purple blob spawns that tells you your level gap is too high your damage is nerfed it should be pretty obvious that you shouldn't be there and should instead be idling in Vanford for free exp and drops.

Also the game isn't going to tell you that you are guaranteed PSE bursts during a thunderstorm, which is time better spent if you are under level 20.

[ArcaneTechs]

I legitimately just hate the word leech in this context. People have way too much contempt for anyone who simply doesn't know anything because no one explained it to them.

nah, not going to give anyone leniency anymore when people have told others in the field that if youre under Lv20 youre making the fight harder for everyone in a very nice and polite way only to either be ignored, berated with "lol dont care"/insults (both JP and Eng are guilty of this) or purposely griefing rooms by going into the fight under leveled or literally just standing around nearby still boosting the bosses HP but leeching for drops along with not being able to clear to be told "lol you guys suck" or w/e. Just the many examples I and others have gone through the past couple of weeks.

Ya I get Sega could have gone into more details about not being in the right Level range but I'm still going to agree, if it tells you reduced damage, you should get the hint and stop attacking the Gigantix, especially because you're hitting 1's. As for the "not everyone started on launch", oh well, you're not contributing to the group aside burdening everyone else, don't be around the Gigantix.

Either way, the upcoming fixes should have been this way from the start and I wouldn't have to be so annoyed about running timed content Sega said they wanted to stay away from but here it is, something thats sorta making everyone upset about. It got to the point where I stopped trying to kill Gigantix bosses because there was always a small handful under leveled people trying to kill it that it's not worth putting in the time to just see it disappear after all the effort from the other Lv20s

[Kondibon]

It shouldn't have to. If you're going to camp North Aerio 001 or any of the higher numbered blocks, and stand around on the ruins where everyone else is level 20, and then a lvl 24 purple blob spawns that tells you your level gap is too high your damage is nerfed it should be pretty obvious that you shouldn't be there and should instead be idling in Vanford for free exp and drops.I'm not sure I follow. If people don't know about the level scaling then they would assume any damage is better than no damage at all. Like the issue isn't people not knowing about the damage reduction, that's obvious, it's about the enemy scaling. A lot of people just want to be a part of the big exciting thing happening.
A lot of people also see level based damage reduction as "fighting this will be harder" not "you shouldn't be fighting this". Any time I saw underleveled people stick around for the whole fight they were either in the level range where their damage was more than just 1, or they were a literal fresh level 5 who walked out the gate just randomly happened to see stuff going on and know nothing about the game.


Also the game isn't going to tell you that you are guaranteed PSE bursts during a thunderstorm, which is time better spent if you are under level 20.I'm not sure why you brought this up, because I also think this is a problem. In fact I think everything about the PSEs is a problem.



nah, not going to give anyone leniency anymore when people have told others in the field that if youre under Lv20 youre making the fight harder for everyone in a very nice and polite way only to either be ignored, berated with "lol dont care"/insults (both JP and Eng are guilty of this) or purposely griefing rooms by going into the fight under leveled or literally just standing around nearby still boosting the bosses HP but leeching for drops along with not being able to clear to be told "lol you guys suck" or w/e. Just the many examples I and others have gone through the past couple of weeks. That's obviously not what I'm talking about. If people are giving you shit after you properly explained it, then yeah, no need to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I've seen plenty of cases of people explaining how it works and the undereleveled people just being like "oh, I'll keep that in mind" and leaving. There's always going to be assholes who don't care, but in my experience they aren't the majority, they're just the loudest.



Ya I get Sega could have gone into more details about not being in the right Level range but I'm still going to agree, if it tells you reduced damage, you should get the hint and stop attacking the Gigantix, especially because you're hitting 1's. You don't do just 1s though. The damage reduction scales based on your level.

As for the "not everyone started on launch", oh well, you're not contributing to the group aside burdening everyone else, don't be around the Gigantix. I mean, yeah, I'm not saying they should stay, I'm saying that you shouldn't assume the majority are out there specifically to leach or make things harder just because there's some bad eggs. I also think people explain it poorly. most people just say "if you're underleveled you're making it harder for everyone" Or even worse, just saying "If you're below level 20 don't fight it" which gives people the impression that someone is being "elitist". You need to explain that the enemies scale based on the number of players, so having players who do reduced damage means everyone else needs to pick up the slack. Like, it needs to be clear that it's a specific mechanical reason for it.

[ArcaneTechs]

You don't do just 1s though. The damage reduction scales based on your level.
I mean, yeah, I'm not saying they should stay, I'm saying that you shouldn't assume the majority are out there specifically to leach or make things harder just because there's some bad eggs. I also think people explain it poorly. most people just say "if you're underleveled you're making it harder for everyone" Or even worse, just saying "If you're below level 20 don't fight it" which gives people the impression that someone is being "elitist". You need to explain that the enemies scale based on the number of players, so having players who do reduced damage means everyone else needs to pick up the slack. Like, it needs to be clear that it's a specific mechanical reason for it.

I've seen it perfectly explain to people before, THEY DO NOT CARE and they keep on fighting it anyways. For some reason there are people who seem to think fighting Gigantix for exp is a thing as well and using it to power level friends, its unreal. I frankly don't care for the real reason anymore whether they're a leech, griefer or just flat out don't know, its a burden to the group and something Sega shouldnt have implemented in this way from the start. Had they done this originally, I wouldnt have so much animosity toward this but it literally flat out made me stop running this content whenever it showed up knowing that it was a waste of time to try and kill it and it just runs away because of group of low levels trying to kill it.

[Kondibon]

Sega shouldnt have implemented in this way from the start. Had they done this originally, I wouldnt have so much animosity toward this but it literally flat out made me stop running this content whenever it showed up knowing that it was a waste of time to try and kill it and it just runs away because of group of low levels trying to kill it.Well I certainly agree with that. I basically did my 5 for the SG and stopped. Hopefully the changes make just casually doing them if I happen to be around feel more worth while too. Especially with storms going back to being random.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

I'm not sure why you brought this up, because I also think this is a problem. In fact I think everything about the PSEs is a problem.
I'm not saying it's a problem, thunderstorm locks the PSE level to 4 so you are guaranteed a burst when you clear a trial, which is time better spent when you are underlevelled. Guaranteed bursts are a good thing.


Any time I saw underleveled people stick around for the whole fight they were either in the level range where their damage was more than just 1
Gigantix mechanics aside, these people are knowingly doing reduced damage even after being warned by the game itself, they are relying on the properly levelled players to carry them through the fight, which makes them a leech.

[Kondibon]

I'm not saying it's a problem, thunderstorm locks the PSE level to 4 so you are guaranteed a burst when you clear a trial, which is time better spent when you are underlevelled. Guaranteed bursts are a good thing.I meant the fact that the game doesn't explain that is a problem.



Gigantix mechanics aside, these people are knowingly doing reduced damage even after being warned by the game itself, they are relying on the properly leveled players to carry them through the fight, which makes them a leech.I just find the term leech way too dehumanizing and accusatory to just slap on people. If the enemies weren't scaling they wouldn't be leeching. So if they don't know about that mechanic, then thinking less of them seems kinda shitty.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

I meant the fact that the game doesn't explain that is a problem.


I just find the term leech way too dehumanizing and accusatory to just slap on people.
I don't think the game should have to explain every single mechanic, a lot of games don't.

If we can't call them leeches, can we call them underachievers? What's a good politically correct term we can use here?

[Kondibon]

I don't think the game should have to explain every single mechanic, a lot of games don't.Sure, but mechanics that dictate how and who should be doing content are kind of important. Though in the case of storms I think I might have been conflating it with the other PSE mechanics which I think are way too unintutive for how poorly they're explained in-game.


If we can't call them leeches, can we call them underachievers? What's a good politically correct term we can use here?Don't call them anything? I just don't like the assumption that people are intentionally there to make things harder for other people or get rewards without trying. You're not a leech if it's an accident. And if your point is that anything that's detrimental to other players regardless of your intentions makes someone a leech then I'm gonna have to ask you to get over yourself.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Don't call them anything? I just don't like the assumption that people are intentionally there to make things harder for other people or get rewards without trying. You're not a leech if it's an accident. And if your point is that anything that's detrimental to other players regardless of your intentions makes someone a leech then I'm gonna have to ask you to get over yourself.
Ok I got over myself.

But the underlevelled players that AREN'T there by accident? That camp there all day despite being underlevelled? Can I call them leeches?

[Kondibon]

Ok I got over myself.

But the underlevelled players that AREN'T there by accident? That camp there all day despite being underlevelled? Can I call them leeches?Oh, yeah, for sure. Especially if you told them and they didn't leave.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Thunderstorms are happening on Global 14 minutes before they hit Japan, so if you know a thunderstorm happened on Global you know that bad weather is coming to Japan.