Where is the best place to get Angry Fist with hit %?

[DOG21313]

I'd like to know the best place to get an Angry Fist with hit % for Skyly, Redria, Yellowboze, Bluefull, and Oran. I really want one with hit! It adds sooo much ATA already! It would be so good to get one with around 50% hit!

So, whats the easiest out of those sect ids?

[Bit]

Through my AF runs with Oran, I've gotten countless Angry Fists. Sold them all for a dollar after 3. So for me that was the easiest, from Oran Ob Lily.

[DOG21313]

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Yay! So I probably have a good chance of hit % there too! ...Did you find those while doing that quest for your Agito?

[Soukosa]

You can also try Skyly Fake in White runs. Skyly El Rappies have the same probability of the drop being one and they have a much higher drop rate (granted that you always hit them when they get up).

[Bit]

On 2003-10-01 20:25, DOG21313 wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Yay! So I probably have a good chance of hit % there too! ...Did you find those while doing that quest for your Agito?



Yeah, I did. 4 Red Partisans I got as well.

[VulpesMundi]

On 2003-10-01 20:57, Sounomi wrote:
You can also try Skyly Fake in White runs. Skyly El Rappies have the same probability of the drop being one and they have a much higher drop rate (granted that you always hit them when they get up).


That's the best way. Bluefull, Greennill, Skyly, and Viridia can all get Angry Fist from El Rappies. In my experience with Fake in Yellow on these IDs I tend to get at least one a trip, and sometimes as many as four a trip.

[Mixfortune]

That is similar to the number of Stag Cutleries I got
when doing Fake In Yellow quests in Pinkal as I got
the Orotiagito. Also found quite a number of Angry
Fists from El Rappies in Bluefull during Fake In
Yellow when I was wondering what Pals drop for Bluefull.

Needless to say that was before I could look it up
on the item findings x_x

[ex]

redrias can get angry fists from gees on ultimate seaside in ep2 as well.

[Jazhara]

On 2003-10-01 22:11, VulpesMundi wrote:


On 2003-10-01 20:57, Sounomi wrote:
You can also try Skyly Fake in White runs. Skyly El Rappies have the same probability of the drop being one and they have a much higher drop rate (granted that you always hit them when they get up).


That's the best way. Bluefull, Greennill, Skyly, and Viridia can all get Angry Fist from El Rappies. In my experience with Fake in Yellow on these IDs I tend to get at least one a trip, and sometimes as many as four a trip.



That is the best way to get an Angry Fist, but not the best way to get one with hit % - %s are generally lower in the early parts of the game.

[Soukosa]

On 2003-10-02 08:57, Jazhara wrote:
That is the best way to get an Angry Fist, but not the best way to get one with hit % - %s are generally lower in the early parts of the game.

I wouldn't call Ult Forest to be earlier in the game. I have found some fairly high percents in Ult Forest and Caves before, including a Last Survivor with 50% Native (and some good Hit) and a Caduceus with 75% Dark.

[Jazhara]

On 2003-10-02 09:07, Sounomi wrote:


On 2003-10-02 08:57, Jazhara wrote:
That is the best way to get an Angry Fist, but not the best way to get one with hit % - %s are generally lower in the early parts of the game.

I wouldn't call Ult Forest to be earlier in the game. I have found some fairly high percents in Ult Forest and Caves before, including a Last Survivor with 50% Native (and some good Hit) and a Caduceus with 75% Dark.



Fair comment, I'll rephrase what I meant:

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%s are generally lower in the earlier levels of an Episode, particularly hit % and particularly in the Forest.

Relatively, the later levels within an Episode have a better chance of high %, and once again particularly hit.
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50%N and 75%D don't count Sounomi, they're not hit %, and one of them wasn't Forest either. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

While it is possible to find hit % in forest, AFAIK you have a greater chance of high % hit in areas such as CCA, Seabed, Mines and Ruins.

Unless Sounomi can extract different info from the data tables, I would not personally recommend looking for Angry Fist with half-decent hit% in Ult Forest. This is from direct experience and much searching for Red Handgun (hit %), Last Survivor (high hit %), Diska of Braveman (hit 40%+), L&14 Combat (hit%>35+), and many others - very little success. Caves as a minimum yeah fine, but not Forest.

To Sounomi - isn't Angry Fist sorta in a different class to the Last Survivor? Fist is more rare than the Survivor, the common 9-star weps are much, much easier to find good % on in my experience.


I'm quite prepared to be set straight by any data you can pull out though... is there anything you've seen related to item %? The logical way to Design this in is to have ranges per area, e.g. Forest 0-60%, Caves 0-80 etc, but that's getting into pure conjecture now. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[VulpesMundi]

I once found a Flowen's Sword (common replica) off an Oran Hard Cave Pan Arms that tekked to 65% Native. And Flux Gryphon found a Custom Ray ver.OO in Ultimate Forest 2 that tekked to 95% Dark (Ask her yourself if you don't believe me). I wouldn't consider that low. I will agree that higher percents show up less often in the Forest, but that doesn't mean that they won't at all.

As for finding Angry Fists with hit in the Ultimate Forest, the best one I found tekked to 35/0/0/20/55. Heck, why don't I just show you a picture. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/etl/pso/angry_fist_stats.jpg

[Soukosa]

On 2003-10-02 10:02, Jazhara wrote:
Fair comment, I'll rephrase what I meant:

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%s are generally lower in the earlier levels of an Episode, particularly hit % and particularly in the Forest.

Relatively, the later levels within an Episode have a better chance of high %, and once again particularly hit.
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50%N and 75%D don't count Sounomi, they're not hit %, and one of them wasn't Forest either. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

While it is possible to find hit % in forest, AFAIK you have a greater chance of high % hit in areas such as CCA, Seabed, Mines and Ruins.

Unless Sounomi can extract different info from the data tables, I would not personally recommend looking for Angry Fist with half-decent hit% in Ult Forest. This is from direct experience and much searching for Red Handgun (hit %), Last Survivor (high hit %), Diska of Braveman (hit 40%+), L&14 Combat (hit%>35+), and many others - very little success. Caves as a minimum yeah fine, but not Forest.

To Sounomi - isn't Angry Fist sorta in a different class to the Last Survivor? Fist is more rare than the Survivor, the common 9-star weps are much, much easier to find good % on in my experience.


I'm quite prepared to be set straight by any data you can pull out though... is there anything you've seen related to item %? The logical way to Design this in is to have ranges per area, e.g. Forest 0-60%, Caves 0-80 etc, but that's getting into pure conjecture now. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

I'd have to look at the settings for percent patterns. I haven't really looked into them that much yet, so I can't remember much about how it works. But, I think that if you get a pattern that allows for a fairly high percentage, it can land on any of the 5 areas, there just may be a less chance of it landing on Hit (I'd have to look). I have personally found at least one Angery Fist with Hit from the many that I've gotten from Skyly El Rappies. Last Survivors may be easier to get, but that's only because they can drop from boxes and more enemies can drop them. Angery Fists have the same probability of showing up when an item is dropped as that of a Last Survivor (which why they are so common).

[Gradius]

From my experiece searching for 1975 agito with pinkal (fake in yellow) I found lots of stags along the way. The best I found I think had 2 60%. I did have a ~60% hit stag as well.

[DOG21313]

I actually wouldn't say that you can't find good hit in forest... I have a 75% Hit Cross Scar to prove that. Got it off an El Rappy for Yellowboze, so I think I might be able to get a good Angry Fist from em too.

Also, I don't understand some of this guide:
http://pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=721

How do you know what pattern you have?

[Jazhara]

On 2003-10-02 10:19, VulpesMundi wrote:
I once found a Flowen's Sword (common replica) off an Oran Hard Cave Pan Arms that tekked to 65% Native. And Flux Gryphon found a Custom Ray ver.OO in Ultimate Forest 2 that tekked to 95% Dark (Ask her yourself if you don't believe me). I wouldn't consider that low.


That doesn't relate to hit % at all, one of them is a nice find within the subject of this topic though.




On 2003-10-02 10:19, VulpesMundi wrote:
I will agree that higher percents show up less often in the Forest, but that doesn't mean that they won't at all.


But...



On 2003-10-02 10:02, Jazhara wrote:
While it is possible to find hit % in forest, AFAIK you have a greater chance of high % hit in areas such as CCA, Seabed, Mines and Ruins.


So what you're saying is you agree with me? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I never once in this thread said that it wasn't possible, just that the chances are lower in Forest. As do you.




On 2003-10-02 10:19, VulpesMundi wrote:
As for finding Angry Fists with hit in the Ultimate Forest, the best one I found tekked to 35/0/0/20/55.


Nice, congrats, very handy for melee FO. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


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The point is, all of us have said it is possible to get good % in Forest, but it happens less often.

As the original question was related to the best place to find a weapon with good hit %, which is 1 out of 5 possible statistics to receive a bonus, looking in an area with lower probability for good % doesn't make sense.

I'm not denying he could find what he wants in Ult Forest, but that's like saying you could find Psycho Wand from a Sinow Zele - doesn't necessarily mean it's a good place to look. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



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[VulpesMundi]

Well consider it like this. The El Rappies in the Ultimate Forest are going to drop the Angry Fists the most often. I'd go so far as to say as much as four times more often than any other enemy in any other area (that's my personal estimate and may not be accurate) simply because rappies have a 100% item drop rate. So assuming my estimate is accurate, you're finding four from El Rappies versus one from something else. The four may have a slightly lower chance of having high % (we're talking a fraction of a % chance difference, here), but you'll have a lot more chances to find one with a good hit % by finding more of them. In this case, I have to say that quantity is going to reward with better results than quality. But that's just my take on the situation and, as any person who's played PSO long enough can tell you, this game is totally unpredictable.

The original poster stated that he would like to find an Angry Fist with around 50 hit. The Forest (specifically Fake in Yellow) would be the ideal place for him to do so.

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[Jazhara]

On 2003-10-03 02:05, VulpesMundi wrote:
But that's just my take on the situation and, as any person who's played PSO long enough can tell you, this game is totally unpredictable.


Yup. After 4000+ hours, I'd agree with you on this.



On 2003-10-03 02:05, VulpesMundi wrote:
The original poster stated that he would like to find an Angry Fist with around 50 hit. The Forest (specifically Fake in Yellow) would be the ideal place for him to do so.


I disagree with you here though. Let's just leave it at that! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



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[DOG21313]

I guess you didn't notice this, I'll say it again:



On 2003-10-02 16:01, DOG21313 wrote:
I actually wouldn't say that you can't find good hit in forest... I have a 75% Hit Cross Scar to prove that. Got it off an El Rappy for Yellowboze, so I think I might be able to get a good Angry Fist from em too.

[BIZKIT]

Nice pic of that angry fist. geez! 55% hit. X)

[Soukosa]

For the whole percent argument. The patterns for probability of getting a certain amount of percentage are the same for every difficulty. What happens is that the probability of the selected percent being placed on an area changes. Now, if I'm reading the things right in the data file, all areas in at least Ep 1 on Ult have the same chance of the selected percent landing on Hit. So, you have an equal chance of finding a weapon with Hit in Ult Forest 1 as you do in Ult Ruins 3. This would allow FiY (or FiW as I like to call it for Ult) is the best place for looking Angery Fists with good Hit.

[DOG21313]

Er... Sounami? I wanted to ask you about this guide:

http://pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=721

How do you know what pattern you have? It seems confusing... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Soukosa]

On 2003-10-03 18:04, DOG21313 wrote:
Er... Sounami? I wanted to ask you about this guide:

http://pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=721

How do you know what pattern you have? It seems confusing... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Most of the time, you'd probably wouldn't know what pattern is in place. It looks like for rare weapons, only pattern 6 is used and patterns 1-5 are only for non-rare weapons.

[DOG21313]

K, thanks Sounomi!

[Jazhara]

On 2003-10-03 09:30, DOG21313 wrote:
I guess you didn't notice this, I'll say it again:



On 2003-10-02 16:01, DOG21313 wrote:
I actually wouldn't say that you can't find good hit in forest... I have a 75% Hit Cross Scar to prove that. Got it off an El Rappy for Yellowboze, so I think I might be able to get a good Angry Fist from em too.






To Dog - Yes I read your post. One weapon find proves exactly 0. I never said it wasn't possible, just the probability was lower. Please re-read my posts.

Anyone doing proper item searching needs to be sure they're looking in the best possible area, not just to know it is eventually possible. I have spent ages looking for items in the right places and the wrong ones, and it takes a helluva lot longer in the wrong places when you want something very specific (as you do), if they drop at all.

Everything else posted to help you was theory, not practice. I was simply trying to help you avoid spending longer than necessary on this, and I have first-hand experience of searching for good hit in Forest with several characters for several different things, and a lot of hours spent doing so. Anyway, good luck if you're going to try it.




On 2003-10-03 10:40, Sounomi wrote:
For the whole percent argument. The patterns for probability of getting a certain amount of percentage are the same for every difficulty. What happens is that the probability of the selected percent being placed on an area changes. Now, if I'm reading the things right in the data file, all areas in at least Ep 1 on Ult have the same chance of the selected percent landing on Hit. So, you have an equal chance of finding a weapon with Hit in Ult Forest 1 as you do in Ult Ruins 3. This would allow FiY (or FiW as I like to call it for Ult) is the best place for looking Angery Fists with good Hit.



I stand corrected then! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

If Sounomi's accurate I suppose I better go back to looking for my Red Handgun with hit% in forest (over 150 FiY runs, about 12 red guns, no hit so far http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif).


This does contradict what's posted on some of the better JP sites for info though - e.g. a lot of JP item hunt reports say Oran VH Gi-Gue is the best place to get double saber with hit% - if Sounomi's correct, all info related to finding hit % is BS... If you have found it applies to EpI Ult I suspect it's the same for EpII?

Also, I can't believe this applies to standard weapons - general ????standard weapons have more % points as you progress through the game.


Sounomi - how about the total amount of % that can be on one weapon? I'm certain there must be some factor that make Ruins % generally better than Forest. That was the only point Vulpes and I agreed on in this whole discussion! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


I'm still sceptical from direct experience, but I'll concede the point given Sounomi's data.




Want Angry Fist with hit? Go Ult Forest.... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif










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