Oops, She Did It Again!

[NKOTB]

This is what the first lady of Maryland said about Britney Spears:
"Really, if I had an opportunity to shoot Britney Spears, I think I would"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=757&e=3&u=/nm/20031008/od_nm/people_britneyspears_dc

Well, if there is one thing that pisses me off, it is someone speaking ill of Ms Spears. She's too hot to threaten with violence. I really can't think of anyone who has done more for young ladies than Ms Spears and to threaten this young trailblazer of girl power just is not right.

[Mystil]

Brittney Spears sets a bad example for young girls. Simple as that.

[BogusKun]

Britney Spears sleeps with Fred Durst still.

[Scejntjynahl]

She is just a wannabe Madonna clone, just younger...

[Inu_Ranma]

Britney Spears has done soooo much for the young girl population! Yeah! I mean, if she didn't first propogate the Barbie image that's so healthy for young girls to idealize (a 6-foot woman with a 42 inch bust) and then, one by one, advocate sex, smoking and exhibitionism, then who would? That's right, kids. You should always date for money and ditch him if his boyband gets unpopular.

[NKOTB]

I happen to enjoy the fact that girls want to look like Britney Spears.
And no, I don't mean little girls. I mean girls Britney's own age want to look like her. I love it!

[BogusKun]

On 2003-10-09 09:51, Inu_Ranma wrote:
Britney Spears has done soooo much for the young girl population! Yeah! I mean, if she didn't first propogate the Barbie image that's so healthy for young girls to idealize (a 6-foot woman with a 42 inch bust) and then, one by one, advocate sex, smoking and exhibitionism, then who would? That's right, kids. You should always date for money and ditch him if his boyband gets unpopular.



So you mean to tell me that... she's 42-inch bust now?

[LollipopLolita]

oh the social repercussions and the rising numbers of anorexic and bullimic girls. oh the article in esquire... oh such a role model to look up to...

[Zaneatron]

you read esquire?!?

[gunome]

On 2003-10-09 11:26, LollipopLolita wrote:
oh the social repercussions and the rising numbers of anorexic and bullimic girls. oh the article in esquire... oh such a role model to look up to...


i like the fact that no one thinks little girls will think for themsleves and choose not to be slutty and shallow. brittney = infallible law, girl = social puppet, mmmmmm slavery is delsicious.

[LollipopLolita]

it's not that we don't think they can, in fact i know for sure some can. but not all. but when you're being bombarded by the media to accept a certain view, and peer pressure dictates a certain view, lots of girls don't know better and are just disillusioned by the image and the glitz. face it, most, not all. parenting also has a lot to do with it.

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[gunome]

so most girls are incapable of being an individual?
that a sad state for any person or gender...

[LollipopLolita]

when you're 12 you think a certain way. when you're 15 you think a certain way. when you're 18, when you're 21. hopefully when you're 18 you don't think like a 12 year old.

children learn by mimicry, it's why mtv is such a great tool for adveritising and marketing. not all girls are like that. some are smart enough. but when you're 12 and don't know any better... but there are plenty of girls who know better and choose to think for themselves. like i said, it also has to do with parenting. but just try going to a middle school and observe. the point is not about if girls can think for themselves, the point is that brittney should think of the social repercussions she has.

[gunome]

thats just saying again they can't think for themsleves, theyre gunna immitate something. i ve been 12, 18 and 21, i remember how i thought. social repurcussion- schmocial repurcussions. thats the problem, taking into account what everyone else is saying and doing and acting accordingly. you shouldn't even worry or care what brittney does. its like when people blame video games for violence....umm how about your kid shouldnt be an idiot. no matter what influences were present, it still ends up the choice of the individual. you make the point that not all girls are so impressionable, then that proves my point that it should be just as possible for "most" girls to not be so impressionable as it is for a million little brittnies to be running around.

[LollipopLolita]

I never worried about what she does, I never once said I was worried.

I've also been 12 18 and 21 and seen the girls that are that impressionable and would say, oh brittney is doing that/wearing that, me too! I have in fact heard little girls say that.

And then what? When it comes down to it, there are girls who can think for themselves, and there are girls who can't. So the girls who can think for themselves are okay, they're not going to be that silly. But what about the girls who are and parents don't know any better? What about kids are too young to have much logic or not know what's being idiotic or not. That's why they are kids, that's why they need parents who can teach them logic, ethics, and what's right and not. How much time do you spend with little kids? Do you really think that video games and pop media have no influence whatsoever?
If only people can't be influenced or swayed one way or the other, then advertising wouldn't exist. Then when designers are putting together a concept, we wouldn't think, hmm what's our target audience, what can we do to make them have to want this, what's the appeal here.

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[Saladwood]

it's not saying girls can't think for themeselves, it's SAYING that they can be INFLUENCED BY ASPECTS OF THEIR ENVIRONMENT TO A GREAT DEGREE.

What is so hard to understand about that? I really don't see why you can't see that. It's a very simple concept to understand.

[gunome]

everyone is influenced by everything around them all the time. i know this. but to say that she is the reason for social problems, whatever that may mean to you, is ridiculous. the same problems have been around for ages. saying that she is resposible for any persons actions other than herself is saying those people cannot think for themselves. there is always a choice.

[Saladwood]

There is a huge difference between saying there is social repurcussions and saying that she is responsible for social problems, which isn't what Lolita is saying. All she is saying is that there are social consequences and that is true. She already said that not everyone can be as easily influenced, but face it some people can. And it's true some kids cannot think for themselves, if you spend enough time with little girls or kids, you'd know that. I think you're seeing too much into what she's saying, because you're saying she's saying things she's not saying.

[gunome]

On 2003-10-09 12:09, LollipopLolita wrote:
I never worried about what she does, I never once said I was worried.

I've also been 12 18 and 21 and seen the girls that are that impressionable and would say, oh brittney is doing that/wearing that, me too! I have in fact heard little girls say that.

And then what? When it comes down to it, there are girls who can think for themselves, and there are girls who can't. So the girls who can think for themselves are okay, they're not going to be that silly. But what about the girls who are and parents don't know any better? What about kids are too young to have much logic or not know what's being idiotic or not. That's why they are kids, that's why they need parents who can teach them logic, ethics, and what's right and not. How much time do you spend with little kids? Do you really think that video games and pop media have no influence whatsoever?
If only people can't be influenced or swayed one way or the other, then advertising wouldn't exist. Then when designers are putting together a concept, we wouldn't think, hmm what's our target audience, what can we do to make them have to want this, what's the appeal here.

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it is also my view that people should have a certain amount of common sense as to what is fair and right. of course there are personal beliefs (ahem individualism) and children do make mistakes for lack of experience, but if you do something stupid, something stupid is going to happen and you deserve to have it happen for not being able to look that far ahead. parenting and many other things play into this like you said. thats where the focus should be. on the individual and the important influences. by saying that brittney is the problem you make her an important influence. she is not. i think to myself, how can it be possible for myself and so many others to experience the same video games and advertising and brittnet's feminine wiles, etc. but remain unaffected?

[gunome]

On 2003-10-09 12:24, Saladwood wrote:
There is a huge difference between saying there is social repurcussions and saying that she is responsible for social problems, which isn't what Lolita is saying. All she is saying is that there are social consequences and that is true. She already said that not everyone can be as easily influenced, but face it some people can. And it's true some kids cannot think for themselves, if you spend enough time with little girls or kids, you'd know that. I think you're seeing too much into what she's saying, because you're saying she's saying things she's not saying.


everything has social repurcussions

[Saladwood]

On 2003-10-09 12:34, gunome wrote:


On 2003-10-09 12:24, Saladwood wrote:
There is a huge difference between saying there is social repurcussions and saying that she is responsible for social problems, which isn't what Lolita is saying. All she is saying is that there are social consequences and that is true. She already said that not everyone can be as easily influenced, but face it some people can. And it's true some kids cannot think for themselves, if you spend enough time with little girls or kids, you'd know that. I think you're seeing too much into what she's saying, because you're saying she's saying things she's not saying.


everything has social repurcussions



No, not everying has social repurcussions.

anyhow, i'm going to drop this because you seem to be intent on putting words in other people's mouths, and there's really no point in discussing something with you, with your mind set. bye bye

[LollipopLolita]

ok this is tiring. never said brittney is reponsible for everything or is the sole problem. and kids can't look that far ahead. and while you haven't been affected, try and talk to a 12 year old or a 10 year old. this is getting longwinded, i have excavation reports to do! time to be productive

[NKOTB]

My point is more simple.

I want all girls to look as good as Britney Spears. I'm not saying identical to Britney, I'm saying I want all girls to look damn good!

[gunome]

lol agreed nkotb.

anyway i wasnt putting words in her mouth, i was just saying what her words translate to im my view. thats usually how disscussions work, you know, back and forth ":P or did tv not teach you that??

[KodiaX987]

Hey, SOMEONE had to start the Tween fashion!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Asuka_chan]

I could care less about what Britney does or says or thinks, the important thing is that I know that morally and intellectually I'm better than her. Anyone who can show off her body and not think twice about the impact it can have on little girls isn't worth my thought at all. That's my two cents.

[starhealer]

If a girl has to look like Britanny Spears in order to be attractive then I fear for the future of this society.

[LamerPanda]

On 2003-10-09 12:55, NKOTB wrote:
My point is more simple.

I want all girls to look as good as Britney Spears. I'm not saying identical to Britney, I'm saying I want all girls to look damn good!



They should do it for themselves instead of ripping off Britney's style (or lack thereof). I think it's possible to be sexy without posing near-naked on the cover of a magazine.

The whole trend bothers me. There's a time and a place for going around in skanky clothing, I'm sure. School isn't one of them. The past few schools I've been in, girls have been going around in microskirts and then complaining when dress codes get toughened up. Gee, thanks for making the rest of us that wear decent clothing suffer!

Girls are more than eye candy. If you want sexy, then go to the beach, don't convince girls to wander around Everytown USA wearing less material than is contained in one sock.

Then again, I'm mostly talking about pre-teens and young teens here. If you're old enough to make responsible choices, hey, go nuts; I don't care what you wear. It's lil' kids wearing thongs because it's the cool thing to do that bothers me. Don't believe young children can be influenced? Do Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy ring a bell? Plenty of kids pick role models, and if their role models are thin as a toothpick and scantily clad then of course they'll try to do the same.

Not to mention that Britney used to have the innocent little girl image, and now she's shedding that for a sex goddess look. If her fans are still little girls, what's going to happen? Hmmm.

Britney Spears just bothers me, and I can't really explain it. The image and the lack of talent (looking good is not a talent) are part of it, I'm sure, but I just can't stand her even if I try looking past that.

[Mystil]

On 2003-10-09 11:44, LollipopLolita wrote:
but just try going to a middle school and observe.



Or on the way home from work on a bicycle(me) riding past middle school female students. 8:00 every morning, all you see is....err.. :/

14,15,16 years olds wearing almost nothing.

Btw, on the comment of wanting all girls to look as good as Britney Spears. I happen to be only attracted to white females. And 'Ms.Spears' does not look that great to me at all. If every female were to look like her, there would not be much going around in the world that would please my eyes.



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[Guile]

I did'nt even know Britney was still around...Stupid slut.

[Wewt]

On 2003-10-09 12:55, NKOTB wrote:
My point is more simple.

I want all girls to look as good as Britney Spears. I'm not saying identical to Britney, I'm saying I want all girls to look damn good!


...she's not that hot..

Then again, I can't appreciate a woman who needs makeup.

[gunome]

lol i dont think the point was if you think she's hot or not. she's hot but lots of women are hot. thats what she's there for, to entertain. i just thought it was funny that no one still thinks little girls will be able to make that choice to be how they want. or that its even possible to dress how you want and still be who you want. i dress therefor i am / tv made me do it, ciao

[gunome]

lol oh yeah! isnt NKOTB a teacher? lol shouldnt you have more to say on this ":P

[hollowtip]

Im going to have to go with ganome on this one. It really pisses me off when legislators, doctors, and psychologists like to play the blame game on the media for teenagers and young adults social problems. Alley McBeal or whatever the hell her name is shouldn't be attacked because she unintentionally happened to influence some young girl to binge and purge. I guess some people don't understand that you have a choice in the matter. Not to sound cliche or anything but it's not like someone is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to starve yourself against your will.

[hollowtip]

On 2003-10-10 06:22, WWWWWWWWWWWW wrote:
...she's not that hot..

Then again, I can't appreciate a woman who needs makeup.



Well to tell you the truth man, there are very few woman that are naturally beautiful. I've only met like three girls that I could say still looked gorgeous when they woke up from a party the evening before.

[Nazo]

Heh, as Jay Leno said tonight,

"Why don't we have the first lady kiss with her and make up for it?"

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[gunome]

i thought this was funny

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[gunome]

oh, the link above is at , so anyone that doesnt like nekkedness, be warned, the video isnt porn, but theres porn everywhere on that site, ciao!

saladwood: so you're still linking to a page that has porn...



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[Wewt]

On 2003-10-10 07:47, hollowtip wrote:
Well to tell you the truth man, there are very few woman that are naturally beautiful. I've only met like three girls that I could say still looked gorgeous when they woke up from a party the evening before.


Of course, but it just annoys me that a lot of women feel the need to wear makeup, even if it might be for us guys.

As for Britney's look being a bad influence, I think it's daft to think that. The main thing I got against her, is that she's a big fat liar. Well, her music is noise to my ears as well.