Which Mag!?

[_Ted_]

Hey everybody, I've been raising a mag for one of my characters, now its at level 98 and I realized that I dont really know what I should evolve it into. The Mag's stats are 12 def, 36 pow, 50 dex, and 0 mind. The fourth evolutions open to me are Ravi, Savitri, Rukumin, Divari, Nidora, and Peema. My character is a red and black big Racast (if that matters much). Which mag do you think is best to evolve? Thanks in advance!

[TekkamanBlade]

I would go with Nidra man that mag is kool its red so ith will match your racast.Ive got a Nidra myself

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

One word:

Rati.

[capin_bucky_ohair]

On 2003-10-11 22:19, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
One word:

Rati.



yep you read my brain I knew someone was going to say Rati I was thinking it was going to be Ian-KunX but you have grown quite the Rati fan http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Nai_Calus]

On 2003-10-11 22:08, _Ted_ wrote:
Hey everybody, I've been raising a mag for one of my characters, now its at level 98 and I realized that I dont really know what I should evolve it into. The Mag's stats are 12 def, 36 pow, 50 dex, and 0 mind. The fourth evolutions open to me are Ravi, Savitri, Rukumin, Divari, Nidora, and Peema. My character is a red and black big Racast (if that matters much). Which mag do you think is best to evolve? Thanks in advance!



Rati, because Rati are sexy.

Also, the main body of a Rati is red and black. 'Nuff said.

[TekkamanBlade]

No get Mag Cell 502 and get Soniti , but u might not have a mag cell but i would go with Nidra or Rati

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-11 22:21, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:


On 2003-10-11 22:19, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
One word:

Rati.



yep you read my brain I knew someone was going to say Rati I was thinking it was going to be Ian-KunX but you have grown quite the Rati fan http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Just wait till my new Ratis are done. @_@

[_Ted_]

Your new Ratis?

[capin_bucky_ohair]

On 2003-10-11 22:43, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:


On 2003-10-11 22:21, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:


On 2003-10-11 22:19, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
One word:

Rati.



yep you read my brain I knew someone was going to say Rati I was thinking it was going to be Ian-KunX but you have grown quite the Rati fan http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



Just wait till my new Ratis are done. @_@



I can get quite a vision a bank full of them diffrent colors and diffrent stats all for your choosing or to trade with lol then you could take pictures and set up a wall paper on your desktop of them

[Stalfos333]

Savitri does the same stuff as a Rati, but needs a third of the time to finish growing. If you'd rather have a sidekick, or even feel indifferent, or just don't like the color the Rati would be, Savitri is a good option.

[StrongBad]

First, learn how to spell.
Then if I were you I would try to get a mag cell from a Hallo Rappy if you are online. If you are offline I would make a Nidra or a Saviriti. They are the easiest to make and they are really cool.

[fireant]

Get a Rati it will cast S and D on you teckless RAcast.

[_Ted_]

hmmm, rati seems to be the popular verdict, and strongbad, i dont have time to learn how to spell!

[capin_bucky_ohair]

there's a Rati cult started

[joluh]

If you don't choose Rati, i'll kill you!!!... i'm not kidding... X_x'

[Nai_Calus]

On 2003-10-12 00:39, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:
there's a Rati cult started



Ia! Ia! Rati fthagn! ^_-

[Erendell]

Long live Rati! Mine is 50/50/50/50 and is brilliant~

[Ketchup345]

Get a Rati.
They are the best looking GC/XBox mag and mine has saved me countless times, several at boss fights when I didn't have another scape doll.

Or use my Suggested Rare Mag Guide (http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1305) to help you eliminate some choices. I give an explanation for why you should choose that type.

[Zaneatron]

I want to be a corporate sponsor of this rati cult/fanclub. RATI FOREVER!!! check out the one in my sig, its yellow and cool, and rati just looks right, its symmetrical, where as most of the other mags are single parts and float over 1 shoulder and look wrong. rati has it right!

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-11 22:54, _Ted_ wrote:
Your new Ratis?



Yep http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif i'm making, lessee, blue, red, purple, and green. greens level 28ish, rest are lvl 20ish.

I love ratis.
Ratis pwnz0r me.

bucky thats a good idea, maybe once im done with these ratis i will do that... or ian/dropslash/me could get together and make a complete rati gallery background! @_@ *drools*

edit: *has a better idea, since dropslash is already making her own rati gallery* ian and i could crop out ratis from screenshots, then navi could draw a farm scene, and we could make the ultimate rati background http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



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[capin_bucky_ohair]

On 2003-10-12 05:29, Erendell wrote:
Long live Rati! Mine is 50/50/50/50 and is brilliant~


I did that with my first rare mag Sato I have been doing that since dreamcast days http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif i only use my 50/50/50/50 for my new characters like levels 1-25 then I make them a real mag depending on what class I am using

[capin_bucky_ohair]

On 2003-10-12 12:02, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:


On 2003-10-11 22:54, _Ted_ wrote:
Your new Ratis?



Yep http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif i'm making, lessee, blue, red, purple, and green. greens level 28ish, rest are lvl 20ish.

I love ratis.
Ratis pwnz0r me.

bucky thats a good idea, maybe once im done with these ratis i will do that... or ian/dropslash/me could get together and make a complete rati gallery background! @_@ *drools*

edit: *has a better idea, since dropslash is already making her own rati gallery* ian and i could crop out ratis from screenshots, then navi could draw a farm scene, and we could make the ultimate rati background http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



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I am sure there are more colors to be made besides the ones that are in the dropslash

[capin_bucky_ohair]

question, which shifta/deband is better on any mag that gives it the one that comes from mylla & youlla or the one that casts instantly on you? I ask because I want to get good photon blasts I had in mind Pilla/Estlla or Leilla/undecided. The stats will be 5/145/50/0 or 5/140/55/0 for my ranger's..... Rati yeah I am going to start on it the minute I find a good shade of purple. I am sure there are only 2 shades of purple. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-12 12:19, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:


On 2003-10-12 12:02, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:


On 2003-10-11 22:54, _Ted_ wrote:
Your new Ratis?



Yep http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif i'm making, lessee, blue, red, purple, and green. greens level 28ish, rest are lvl 20ish.

I love ratis.
Ratis pwnz0r me.

bucky thats a good idea, maybe once im done with these ratis i will do that... or ian/dropslash/me could get together and make a complete rati gallery background! @_@ *drools*

edit: *has a better idea, since dropslash is already making her own rati gallery* ian and i could crop out ratis from screenshots, then navi could draw a farm scene, and we could make the ultimate rati background http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



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I am sure there are more colors to be made besides the ones that are in the dropslash



yeah of course... theres 18 mag colors ---> 18 rati

*jumps for joy*

[Bit]

On 2003-10-12 13:09, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:
question, which shifta/deband is better on any mag that gives it the one that comes from mylla & youlla or the one that casts instantly on you? I ask because I want to get good photon blasts I had in mind Pilla/Estlla or Leilla/undecided. The stats will be 5/145/50/0 or 5/140/55/0 for my ranger's..... Rati yeah I am going to start on it the minute I find a good shade of purple. I am sure there are only 2 shades of purple. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



M&Y has the chance to be chained, so obviously it has a much better effect on your character.

http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1023



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[Olga-Rappy]

Rati. Looks like I've been beaten to the punch though. If, like me, 'sexy' is too poor a description of why they're cool, I'll tell you:

- They're the only mag except Sato that comes in noticably different designer colors.
- Unlike Rukmin and Sato, two slightly less cool mags, Rati gives you frequent S/D and Resta, and unlike Rukmin actually revives you.
- Rati aren't all one color, and that color isn't always orange/green/blue. Just the body.
- Any newbie who is still learning about mags will think they're more awesome than whatever weapon you're OHKO-ing Arlans with.

If you don't want a Rati for some reason, get Sato or Rukmin. Rukmin looks like a little Black mage dude - like your force's apprentice, and Sato are more fashionable than Dim Handbags +17.

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

i would post this on my other board about ratis but its kind of an old topic now... this is semi similar anyway so here goes http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif anyway, ive been using a lot of my different characters to raise my mags, and along the way, ive been checking inventories and checkrooms...

found a few more mags.

i'm now up to EIGHT mags being raised. Yeah, it's pretty tough on your bank account. >_>

I have:
Blue
Green
Red
Purple (all the originals)

Grey
White
Yellow
Pale Blue (new ones)

the pale blue is at level 62, the grey and white are level 35 and 39, and the rest are level 54, 55, 55, 56, and 62.

*squeal*
x_x;;;;;

[Nai_Calus]

On 2003-10-13 17:26, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
i would post this on my other board about ratis but its kind of an old topic now... this is semi similar anyway so here goes :P anyway, ive been using a lot of my different characters to raise my mags, and along the way, ive been checking inventories and checkrooms...

found a few more mags.

i'm now up to EIGHT mags being raised. Yeah, it's pretty tough on your bank account. >_>

I have:
Blue
Green
Red
Purple (all the originals)

Grey
White
Yellow
Pale Blue (new ones)

the pale blue is at level 62, the grey and white are level 35 and 39, and the rest are level 54, 55, 55, 56, and 62.

*squeal*
x_x;;;;;



Aww, they'll all be so cute when they're grown up. ^_^ *hugs them* So cute...!

[Olga-Rappy]

I'm in the process of Switching all of my characters' mags for Ratis.

Progress:

Blue - L100
Purple - L100
White - L80

When I finish white, I need one more... what color should I make it?

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-13 17:31, Ian-KunX wrote:


On 2003-10-13 17:26, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
i would post this on my other board about ratis but its kind of an old topic now... this is semi similar anyway so here goes http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif anyway, ive been using a lot of my different characters to raise my mags, and along the way, ive been checking inventories and checkrooms...

found a few more mags.

i'm now up to EIGHT mags being raised. Yeah, it's pretty tough on your bank account. >_>

I have:
Blue
Green
Red
Purple (all the originals)

Grey
White
Yellow
Pale Blue (new ones)

the pale blue is at level 62, the grey and white are level 35 and 39, and the rest are level 54, 55, 55, 56, and 62.

*squeal*
x_x;;;;;



Aww, they'll all be so cute when they're grown up. ^_^ *hugs them* So cute...!



yeah *can't wait* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif i think the green one is going to make a rati like the one i already have... but thats okay http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Eihwaz]

Although I haven't raised any *yet*, Nidras are a very good Mag. They grant you invincibility when the P/B meter fills, when your HP gets down to 10%, and during boss fights. If you should perish, they'll try to save you. You should pick one up, just make sure that you have a male Force to finish the Mag.

And Rati's are also very good. They look very cool, and their abilities are quite good, especially for an Android. One thing I've noticed is, when you HP drops down to 10% with a Rati, they heal you...but not as much as a regular Mag's resta...My friend said it's determined by MST; it's prolly so weak because my Rati is used by my HUcast. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and for Photon Blasts, try to get Estlla and/or Pilla. Very useful PBs, indeed.

[Nai_Calus]

The other theory I've heard is that the Mag's Resta level is the same as yours. I should test these things, I've got plenty of Rati, a HUmar with crap L15 Resta and MST, and a FOmar with L26 Resta and uber MST.

Speaking of the glory that is Rati, my new RAmarl came with a purple baby Mag, so I'm raising my beloved Fluffy's successor, a new purple Rati with decent PBs and stats(My usual 5/145/50/0 Estlla/Pilla/Mylla&Youlla). I am also raising a -brown- Rati from the Mag that came with my new HUcaseal. This should be rather interesting to see when it's done. Never seen a brown Rati before. ^^;

[Valleo]

Nidra or Diwari. They bolth follow the easiest mag feeding chart, in terms of getting them to 200 quickly. Nidra has the added bonus of invincibility across the board as mag attributes, and Nidra, while not as usefull, is much cooler looking than Rati IMO. Ratis are fugly.

[Nai_Calus]

On 2003-10-14 08:01, Valleo wrote:
Nidra or Diwari. They bolth follow the easiest mag feeding chart, in terms of getting them to 200 quickly. Nidra has the added bonus of invincibility across the board as mag attributes, and Nidra, while not as usefull, is much cooler looking than Rati IMO. Ratis are fugly.



Infidel! Repent your evil ways and swear allegiance to the glory that is Rati or I'll whack you silly! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/twak.gif

Rati are sexy. Rati 0wnz0rz j00. Rati is God. Rati is love. Rati is everything. <3

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-14 08:01, Valleo wrote:

Ratis are fugly.



O_O!

Ratis... FUGLY?

You obviously haven't seen a good Rati picture (the tiny PSOW pic of the yellow rati does not do Rati justice) so here's a few links for ya.

http://www.eccentrix.com/members/shawnachanx/rati.html

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pc.engine/arionrati2.png

http://www.dropslash.com/pso/html/rati_gallery.html

Rati are sleek, sexy, and cool, while cute and elegant at the same time.

NOW do you see the glory of Rati?

I would go so far as to say that Ratis are the best mag aesthetically in PSO GC/XBOX. They have a nice set of abilities, too. *hugs his rati*

[capin_bucky_ohair]

I wouldn't really bother with the shifta and deband on the Rati and other mags that instantly gives you, for when your at a boss and or when your photon blast is full. You might want to consider adding Mylla and Youlla photon blasts to your mag unless you plan on using the instant shifta and deband. But that's just me.

[Valleo]

Erm, Ive seen Rati, quite a few times, having raised a few of each of the Ep1 & 2 level 100 mags myself, and in online games. I dont like it.

While looks are completely subject to opinion, Diwari, Nidra and Savitri will get to level 200 much faster than Rati, and Nidra and Sato have much more usefull MAG abities (Sato also feeds faster than Rati, though not as fast as Diwari, Nidra and Savitri). Raise one of those instead.

[capin_bucky_ohair]

I was thinking of making a Sato instead of Rati and Pushan becuase of the invincibility it gives and since I will be using the Mylla & Youlla shifta over the shifta and deband that other mags may give

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-14 10:23, Valleo wrote:
Erm, Ive seen Rati, quite a few times, having raised a few of each of the Ep1 & 2 level 100 mags myself, and in online games. I dont like it.

While looks are completely subject to opinion, Diwari, Nidra and Savitri will get to level 200 much faster than Rati, and Nidra and Sato have much more usefull MAG abities (Sato also feeds faster than Rati, though not as fast as Diwari, Nidra and Savitri). Raise one of those instead.




well that's just your opinion. you think rati is ugly *mirror breaks* and i think its not. we all have our opinions.

as for the s/d, it's very good for droids/humars who can't s/d themselves... and what happens when you're at a boss warp with almost-full PB, then you pipe back to stock up on mates/fluids?

in case you didn't know, going back to P2 takes away -all- of your PB. that means no m&y for you until quite a ways into the battle, if at all. As for invincibility -

There are few things greater than being able to all-out attack a horde of Gilchichs, Arlans, etc. without having to worry about healing or status fixing. And you'd better keep a close eye on your MAG, because when it stops spinning, twirling, hopping, dancing, etc. that means invincibility's all gone. Now, you're stuck in a big crowd of Ult enemies ready to beat your ass. Have fun.

Oh, and another thing about invincibility? By the time you get within striking range of enemies such as Vol Opt and Gol Dragon, and the game is letting you target, your invincibility's about 1/3 up. The s/d may very well take you through the whole battle.

There's only a few places I can think of that invincibility would really be good for.

First is De Rol Le, where you can continuously attack without worrying about the tentacle stab. This makes his death come a lot faster, especially for HUs with swords/strong slicers or RAs with launchers/strong shots.

Second is with a FO. They can use S/D 30 (shifta's only needed if they're meleeing) so the effects of mags such as Rati and Diwari are diminished. They have low HP and DFP, so invincibility helps. That's assuming you get the timing right, and don't end up getting your invincibility right before a long trek through empty rooms where you don't need it.

As for tech FOs, the same applies to them. Techs, however, have long range, and are not affected by ATP. DFP does not affect ranged attacks for the most part, only melee attacks. You won't be up close anyway (for the most part), and don't need extra ATP, so s/d isn't very useful. Invincibility helps with the ranged attacks I mentioned before.

Finally, the Resta. For droids, it's not that useful, except for saving Di/Trimates (it heals a very low amount, since its strength has to do with your Resta level). It's good for pretty much all other characters, however.

Whew, that was a long post. x_X;;

edit: just adding a few things in

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[capin_bucky_ohair]

It takes full photon blast to trigger the shifta/deband or boss as well so either way i would wait on invincibility with my Sato

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-14 07:42, Ian-KunX wrote:
The other theory I've heard is that the Mag's Resta level is the same as yours. I should test these things, I've got plenty of Rati, a HUmar with crap L15 Resta and MST, and a FOmar with L26 Resta and uber MST.

Speaking of the glory that is Rati, my new RAmarl came with a purple baby Mag, so I'm raising my beloved Fluffy's successor, a new purple Rati with decent PBs and stats(My usual 5/145/50/0 Estlla/Pilla/Mylla&Youlla). I am also raising a -brown- Rati from the Mag that came with my new HUcaseal. This should be rather interesting to see when it's done. Never seen a brown Rati before. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



Oooh, me neither... If I see one, do you want to see it, or would you rather be surprised? I might go Rati picture hunting on google later today... ^_^

Also, have you ever considered putting a small amount of MIND on a MAG for your HUmar/RAmar? I've been considering this, as it affects S/D/J/Z (I think).

[navci]

On 2003-10-14 10:28, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:
I was thinking of making a Sato instead of Rati and Pushan becuase of the invincibility it gives and since I will be using the Mylla & Youlla shifta over the shifta and deband that other mags may give



Nidra is cool!
Actually, it does depends on what class you play to determine how useful invicibility is. Normally I'd really say Rangers won't need invincibilities more than say.... Hunters that are always in the heat of everything. I abuse my Nidra's invincibility with my FOnewm by taking my time to locate Jellen and Zalure in tech menu during the start of boss fights.

A couple more levels and Ratis will become Ratis, yay! Then the long long long process of upping them to 200... Nidra is a very easy mag to raise, ya know. *hugs Stingy*

[AquaFlare7]

RATI pwnz j00! I have one on my otherwise weakling HUmar, and many a time I have felt the empowerment gained from the mag. I plan on rasing one for each of my characters

PS.Is there a way to have a different body color on those or is it just the red / black?

[Valleo]

On 2003-10-14 10:54, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:


in case you didn't know, going back to P2 takes away -all- of your PB. that means no m&y for you until quite a ways into the battle, if at all. As for invincibility -



Gasp! Really? Next you'll be telling me that there is no Santa Claus, and that smoking is bad for my health.

Your other points are all valid, but the fact remains that whether the original poster likes invincibility or not, Nidra and Diwari are bolth easier to raise, and he/she can raise whichever he/she prefers to get the desired abilities. Thats is of course assuming that attributes are more important than looks.

Of course if looks are more imortant than abilites, I still think bolth Diwari and Nidra are cooler than Rati, but then it doesnt really matter what I think, since the original poster will have their own opinions on that.

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-14 11:09, Valleo wrote:


On 2003-10-14 10:54, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:


in case you didn't know, going back to P2 takes away -all- of your PB. that means no m&y for you until quite a ways into the battle, if at all. As for invincibility -



Gasp! Really? Next you'll be telling me that there is no Santa Claus, and that smoking is bad for my health.

Your other points are all valid, but the fact remains that whether the original poster likes invincibility or not, Nidra and Diwari are bolth easier to raise, and he/she can raise whichever he/she prefers to get the desired abilities. Thats is of course assuming that attributes are more important than looks.

Of course if looks are more imortant than abilites, I still think bolth Diwari and Nidra are cooler than Rati, but then it doesnt really matter what I think, since the original poster will have their own opinions on that.



Heheh. Just pointing it out, in case they somehow didn't know... I agree that Nidra and Diwari are much, much easier to raise than Rati... I don't mind though, I like Rati http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

edit: in other news, i finished hunting rati pictures... best I could come up with was this (i hunted on google AND ask jeeves)

http://www.psoquest.com/ep2-mag1.shtml

scroll down a bit to see what I -think- is an orange rati. It looks different, and redder, than this, which I heard is a red rati:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pc.engine/arionrati2.png

meh. I like 'em both. Whatever my red Ila evolves to will look good. Maybe they're actually the same Rati, just with different lighting/resolution? meh. who knows?



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edit: doh, right after i posted that i looked at the orange rati again and saw the red dot under it... which means it IS a "red" rati.

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[neko-chan]

On 2003-10-14 10:54, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
as for the s/d, it's very good for droids/humars who can't s/d themselves... and what happens when you're at a boss warp with almost-full PB, then you pipe back to stock up on mates/fluids?

Diwari. Easiest to raise.


in case you didn't know, going back to P2 takes away -all- of your PB. that means no m&y for you until quite a ways into the battle, if at all.

We all know that, but thanks for trying.


There are few things greater than being able to all-out attack a horde of Gilchichs, Arlans, etc. without having to worry about healing or status fixing. And you'd better keep a close eye on your MAG, because when it stops spinning, twirling, hopping, dancing, etc. that means invincibility's all gone. Now, you're stuck in a big crowd of Ult enemies ready to beat your ass. Have fun.

And you're gonna destroy them with your Mag's S/D, right? XD


Oh, and another thing about invincibility? By the time you get within striking range of enemies such as Vol Opt and Gol Dragon, and the game is letting you target, your invincibility's about 1/3 up. The s/d may very well take you through the whole battle.

I don't think it is smart and profitable to base your fighting strategy on random events. Everyone who does such a thing is a noob. And for random event I mean hoping your Mag will cast shitty S/D on you, or try to heal you seconds after you're already done taht by yourself.

Ever heard of PB/units? Cool: use them. I carry three of them on my HUcaseal, because she's a shitty fighter without Mylla&Yulla. Yep: I have to sacrifice slots for */Power and */Arm units but who cares? I can beef up my Mag's Pow and Dex. Mag's stats are fact, Mag's bonus effects are hopes.

I never, ever rely on Mag's bonus effects, and if I'm in front of a boos teleport, I wait the necessary seconds in order to allow my PB gauge to fill up.

As for the original topic request: it doesn't matter which Mag. What matters is that the Mag learns the right Photon Blasts, such as Mylla&Yulla, Estlla and Pilla. Wheter you're playing online or not, these are the ones you'll ever need.

But if you also want a Mag that's actually easy to raise (not a pain in the ass from now on till Xmas) get a Nidra or a Diwari. That's all you need.

[capin_bucky_ohair]

I am awear of the time length invinciablty has. I am sure if I was to test the length of time that any mag that gives shifta/deband (excluding the mylla/youlla photon blast)it would last long as the invicibility mag

[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-14 11:23, neko-chan wrote:


On 2003-10-14 10:54, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
as for the s/d, it's very good for droids/humars who can't s/d themselves... and what happens when you're at a boss warp with almost-full PB, then you pipe back to stock up on mates/fluids?

Diwari. Easiest to raise.
As stated in my last post, I recognize the easy feeding chart of Nidra, Diwari, and Savitri. I have raised Diwari and Nidra to L200, and it was definitely easier than raising my Rati to L200. I don't really care that much, I like Rati anyway. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


[quote] in case you didn't know, going back to P2 takes away -all- of your PB. that means no m&y for you until quite a ways into the battle, if at all.

We all know that, but thanks for trying.
I'm aware that that is common knowledge. I just thought I'd bring it up since it was relevant, and some people might not think of it if I hadn't put it there.


There are few things greater than being able to all-out attack a horde of Gilchichs, Arlans, etc. without having to worry about healing or status fixing. And you'd better keep a close eye on your MAG, because when it stops spinning, twirling, hopping, dancing, etc. that means invincibility's all gone. Now, you're stuck in a big crowd of Ult enemies ready to beat your ass. Have fun.


And you're gonna destroy them with your Mag's S/D, right? XD
Actually, yes. It's a hell of a lot better than having no s/d at all. If you're trapped in the middle and can't get out, it's still possible to cast S/D between knock-downs if it's available to you, but it's a pain in the ass to cast them, especially if one hit knocks you down.


Oh, and another thing about invincibility? By the time you get within striking range of enemies such as Vol Opt and Gol Dragon, and the game is letting you target, your invincibility's about 1/3 up. The s/d may very well take you through the whole battle.


I don't think it is smart and profitable to base your fighting strategy on random events. Everyone who does such a thing is a noob. And for random event I mean hoping your Mag will cast shitty S/D on you, or try to heal you seconds after you're already done taht by yourself.

Are you implying that I'm a noob?

I'm not even going to dignify something so ignorant with a response. I've put well over 500 hours into PSO, and I know what I'm talking about. Besides, I'm not basing my fighting strategy on it. I'm simply stating that if you're going to get a bonus from your MAG on boss fights, it would be better spent on S/D as opposed to invincibility.

The S/D is a lot better than you think. It's nowhere near as good as M&Y, and I don't -think- it's as good as a hunny's level 20 s/d. I wouldn't know, though, as mine is only level 49 in ult forest. >_<

Yes, the Resta a MAG casts is quite slow. What about when one Resta doesn't bring you to full HP? (i.e. you have anything but a HUnewearl or high-mst RAmarl). You'll be happy about it being cast, because that's one less resta that -you- have to cast.



Ever heard of PB/units? Cool: use them. I carry three of them on my HUcaseal, because she's a shitty fighter without Mylla&Yulla. Yep: I have to sacrifice slots for */Power and */Arm units but who cares? I can beef up my Mag's Pow and Dex. Mag's stats are fact, Mag's bonus effects are hopes.

I never, ever rely on Mag's bonus effects, and if I'm in front of a boos teleport, I wait the necessary seconds in order to allow my PB gauge to fill up.

As for the original topic request: it doesn't matter which Mag. What matters is that the Mag learns the right Photon Blasts, such as Mylla&Yulla, Estlla and Pilla. Wheter you're playing online or not, these are the ones you'll ever need.

But if you also want a Mag that's actually easy to raise (not a pain in the ass from now on till Xmas) get a Nidra or a Diwari. That's all you need.



Rati would take you from now until Christmas? That's just sad... really. No mag should take more than two weeks if you play every day.

I agree with your statement about PB's. Most people choose those as their three pbs, but there are a few who would prefer to, say, accentuate their high ATP with Golla, or clear mobs with Farlla. But personally, I like estlla/m&y/pilla. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

While getting my HUcaseal to Ult Ruins, I happened upon a PB/Create unit. At first, I was pretty excited. I'd heard some good things about this, especially for droids.

...Do you have ANY IDEA how slow that thing is? It took approximately a full ten seconds for one PB. In the end, it'd be much more efficient to equip a devil or god/battle and kill enemies more quickly, thus filling your PB meter more quickly.

[capin_bucky_ohair]

explain how you clear a mob with shifta/deband wouldn't you still take damage? with invincibility you have time to at least run through your mob or open a pipe and go back to pionner 2 where it is safe



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[TheAlmightyNewbie]

On 2003-10-14 11:53, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:
explain how you clear a mob with shifta/deband wouldn't you still take damage? with invincibility you have time to at least run through your mob or open a pipe and go back to pionner 2 where it is safe



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Yes, you would take damage, but you'd take less damage and do more. You -could- pipe back, I guess... if they're fast enemies, you might not be able to cast Ryuker without getting interrupted in the middle of it... But the enemies would still be there. Piping back would only be a last resort, I prefer to stick around and kill off all the enemies.

[neko-chan]

On 2003-10-14 11:47, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:
Actually, yes. It's a hell of a lot better than having no s/d at all.

XD It's easier to fight with a Saber +1 than fighting bare hands. Am I right or what? What level are Mag's S/D? How long do they last? Gimme a favor, the next time come back with more solid back-ups.


Are you implying that I'm a noob?

Not only this but, actually, your PSOW user name states that as well. XD Also, you can take your "over 500 hours", put them into your Hello Kitty lunch box and go back to the Hunter's academy. You can come back when you'll you be able to prove you've spend almost three years playing this game (since December 2000, thank you).

Oh, by the way, it was not me the one that started topics such as "Which ID my next chara should be", or "How long will it take in order to find a *item name*". If you don't want to be labelled as a noob, then don't act like that.


I'm not even going to dignify something so ignorant with a response.

Well... so the next time shut up. The above one is a response already.


Besides, I'm not basing my fighting strategy on it. I'm simply stating that if you're going to get a bonus from your MAG on boss fights, it would be better spent on S/D as opposed to invincibility.

Dragon fight (you can run toward him, cast spells if necessay, hit his legs without being freezed 'till he's stunned on the ground), De Rol fight, Dark Falz fight (Darvants phase), Balbarei fight, Gold Sucker and Olga. I didn't put Vol Opt's name because during the first part the incincibilty doesn't last enough.


The S/D is a lot better than you think. It's nowhere near as good as M&Y, and I don't -think- it's as good as a hunny's level 20 s/d. I wouldn't know, though, as mine is only level 49 in ult forest. >_<

It sucks. Want kick ass techniques? Get Mylla&Yulla, S-Rank bonuses, a Force or even an Hunny. Want shitty techniques? Get the S-Red's Blades (which, for the report, are actually useful since you can cast them anytime) or hope that your Mag will spit out those ridicolous S/D.


What about when one Resta doesn't bring you to full HP? (i.e. you have anything but a HUnewearl or high-mst RAmarl).

It's fun because you named my two main characters. I'm sure you know there's a thing called Trimate, and if you select it while smakced on the ground, the first thing your character will don after standing up will be eating that Trimate. Not to mention that healing yourself with Resta gives you few seconds of invincibility!



Rati would take you from now until Christmas? That's just sad... really. No mag should take more than two weeks if you play every day.

Indeed. No one should take more than two seconds in order to detect sarcasm.


...Do you have ANY IDEA how slow that thing is? It took approximately a full ten seconds for one PB. In the end, it'd be much more efficient to equip a devil or god/battle and kill enemies more quickly, thus filling your PB meter more quickly.

Haven't said "one". I have said "three". They do stack. Try them. "Do you have ANY IDEA" how fast are those things? No, you don't.



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[capin_bucky_ohair]

On 2003-10-14 12:37, TheAlmightyNewbie wrote:


On 2003-10-14 11:53, capin_bucky_ohair wrote:
explain how you clear a mob with shifta/deband wouldn't you still take damage? with invincibility you have time to at least run through your mob or open a pipe and go back to pionner 2 where it is safe



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Yes, you would take damage, but you'd take less damage and do more. You -could- pipe back, I guess... if they're fast enemies, you might not be able to cast Ryuker without getting interrupted in the middle of it... But the enemies would still be there. Piping back would only be a last resort, I prefer to stick around and kill off all the enemies.



The deband isn't that good compared from youlla, and oh sure stick around when the mob gangs up on you and you wind up back on pionner 2 anyway. If you read carefully I said you could run through the mob or(or meaning an alternative)pipe into pionner 2 as to where you could replenish on mates and etc and or go to the medical room to replenish hp and tp (for non droids) and hp and traps (thats if the medical room replenishes traps).

[neko-chan]

Duh! Double post. ._.

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[capin_bucky_ohair]

If or when you were to gain invincibility while fighting during a boss fight, from full photon blast meter you could use that to give a few shots with your wep or magic depending on what character you are using. If your hp is down to 1/10th when you get up you can munch on a mate and continue to hit the boss till it wears off.

[Nai_Calus]

I dunno about your Rati, but mine never fails to cast it's crappy S/D or heal me. Revives me quite often, too. My Sato is stingy as hell with it's invincibility, and of all the times my poor FOmar has croaked using it(Half the time because it -didn't- give me it's invincibility), it's revived him -once-. And yes, we're talking max Synchro/IQ.

Invincibility doesn't do me much good. *shrug* Neither does S/D, although it makes things hurt that much less and makes me hurt them that much more. Consider the utter ineffectiveness of L15 Zalure - Mag Shifta is approximately L4/5. The damage output with just Zalure is the same as the damage output with just Shifta. I'm a HUmar. I don't have any IDs currently in Ult that can get S-Red's Blades that I know of, so that does me no good at all. I don't have my own Shifta, and my Resta is ass. Hey, whatever, no problem, here's Fluffy with his S/D to carry me through the next few rooms until I find something I feel like using Pilla on(My HUmar's Rati doesn't have M&Y since it's the first Mag I ever raised, all the rest do.) Oh, Fluffy just healed me again, hey, I'm back to full and I only had to use one Resta instead of two. *shrug*

I also almost never get surrounded, so there's very little I can't just destroy. If I do screw up and get surrounded, well, whatever. I heal myself as needed, slap at them back with my Red Partisan, and if they're still alive by the time I hit my PB, Pilla finishes them off, and I've still got my crappy S/D. I rarely die when this happens. It also rarely happens. *shrug* Most days, what kills me is the following:

Crit hit from a Zoa before I can Jellen it: Duh, these things have what, 2500 ATP? I have yet to hit 900 HP? Thunk. Ow. Red screen. Either Fluffy revives me or I'm back in the Medical centre. Invincibility sure didn't help there.
Megid: Gran Sorc or Deldepth while I'm fighting something else and can't move in time. Not pathetic enough to die from a -Lily-, those never hit me.(Or paralyse me, why do people whine about Lillies again?)
Boss crap: Freeze/Darvants, Olga Flow's cheap-ass shit from his second form. First is essentially 1-hit KO, second just plain is. Invincibility usually wouldn't be on at those times anyways, so again, not much use... *shrug* For a HUmar or a droid, Rati are excellent. They do things, useful things, that we kind of need them for. *shrug* Now on a FO or a HUnny or a RAmarl, yeah, whatever, you've got your own S/D, Invincibility is more useful, and your Resta might actually heal you completely in one use. I still like Rati. For what I need most days, they work. They're also the most attractive, to me, of the 4th evo Mags. Does that mean they're perfect for everything? No, just like a Sato ain't perfect for everything. *shrug*

...And what are you people doing that you need to pipe up in the middle of battle? O_o;;; Seriously. I have no idea what could lead to that, short of being a FO and running out of fluids.

I guess the point here is, just because you think something is the be-all and end-all of things, others probably have a different opinion. ^^;

[neko-chan]

On 2003-10-14 15:37, Ian-KunX wrote:
I guess the point here is, just because you think something is the be-all and end-all of things, others probably have a different opinion. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

This sounds weird coming from you.

[Stalfos333]

On 2003-10-14 15:37, Ian-KunX wrote:
And what are you people doing that you need to pipe up in the middle of battle?


Crit hit from a Merlan knocked my HuCast down, the other three and the Arlans surronded me before I got up and were hitting too fast for anything but item use. So I piped away, took another shot at it.

[capin_bucky_ohair]

what are you people doing that you need to pipe up in the middle of battle? O_o;;; Seriously. I have no idea what could lead to that, short of being a FO and running out of fluids.


I wouldn't pipe up from one monster unless my hp was extreamly low and after getting a powerful hit and finding out I had no more mates/and or fluids. No matter what class I was using I wouldn't want to be caught dead stuck in a mob trying to get out of it by trying to kill them.

[capin_bucky_ohair]

I want to say this wasn't a debate somehow The Almighty Newbie (no pun intended that is his name) some how turned it into one I was mearly saying being that I would use Mylla and Youlla over the mag shifta I would take a mag like Sato



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[_Ted_]

wow, this whole post turned into some sort of war didn't it? Oh well.....anyways I took they popular vote and evolved my mag into a Rati, i like it, it looks cool anyways, but i haven't had much of a chance to test it out though. It really does look like it could take a while to get to 200, but oh well ive got time. Thanks for to everyone who responded!

[PABLOparavida]

On 2003-10-15 18:31, _Ted_ wrote:
wow, this whole post turned into some sort of war didn't it? Oh well.....anyways I took they popular vote and evolved my mag into a Rati, i like it, it looks cool anyways, but i haven't had much of a chance to test it out though. It really does look like it could take a while to get to 200, but oh well ive got time. Thanks for to everyone who responded!



yea!!!!!!!! We win!!!!!!

[Break]

I was Thinking of Making one http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

does anyone Know were I can Get a guide on how to Make one?

[Nai_Calus]

On 2003-10-15 18:48, Break wrote:
I was Thinking of Making one :D

does anyone Know were I can Get a guide on how to Make one?



http://www.pso-world.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=1248

...I -did- correct the typos in that, I don't know how they got back in there. ^^; I'm a better proofreader than that, really. xx