Question about Red Ring Rico... [Archive]

anwserman

Oct 29, 2003, 01:54 AM

She wasn't one really.

Her father is human (obviously due to the lack of pointy ears, dissolving any chance of her being a newman... or an android for that matter.)

They also talk about how Rico was courageous and powerful, and they never talk about her being all magicy. So, that leads us to think that she is a Hunter. But, there is no Female Hunter class ----> HUmarl.

I cannot see Rico as a force, due to the fact that also everyone says she was a great Hunter (yet Hunter can apply to HU, RA and FO but you get my point) so Rico is one of those character classes that doesn't exist, yet she does. Or something.

Kinda like that HUnewearl that has the rifle equipped in some quest. No person could get their HUnewearl to equip the rifle but the game certainly was able to do so! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

RFB

Oct 29, 2003, 02:37 AM

You can know she is a HUnter just by looking at her weapons

-Red Saber
-Red Handgun
-Red Mechguns
-Red Daggers
-Red Partisan
-Red Sword

No "Red cane" or "Red rifle" or "Red insert-name-of-FO-or-RA-weapon-here".
She is obviously a HUnter.

Nai_Calus

Oct 29, 2003, 02:39 AM

I suppose next we'll be discussing what class Delta is supposed to be? *raises an eyebrow*

RRR: Presumably a HUmarl. Just because it doesn't exist in the game, does not mean it would not exist in PSO. Are we to assume that there were no FOmars, RAmarls and HUcaseals on P2 before Ep2? No, they existed, we just didn't see them because they weren't programmed into the game. This presumably also means that there are HUnewms. We just don't see them at all, either as PCs or NPCs.

Flowen: Er, he was in the military, a group which seems to have nothing but contempt for Hunters for the most part. If he was a class, he'd be a HUmar, but he can't really be classified as a Hunter...

Elly Person: She's a civilian. *shrug* Same thing with Nol Rinale. Civilian. Not any class, because they're not Hunters. Elly dresses like a FOnewearl in Ep1, although whether she actually is one is doubtful, considering that she uses no techs and fights with the Useless Not-really-a-Hunter Weapon of Choice: A Handgun-type. Most likely it was the same reason Nol appears as a HUnewearl in Ep1 - A disguise.

Buuyon

Oct 29, 2003, 08:16 AM

On 2003-10-28 23:37, RFB wrote:
You can know she is a HUnter just by looking at her weapons

-Red Saber
-Red Handgun
-Red Mechguns
-Red Daggers
-Red Partisan
-Red Sword

No "Red cane" or "Red rifle" or "Red insert-name-of-FO-or-RA-weapon-here".
She is obviously a HUnter.

ok ill insert a RA wepon thats red...red mech gun...oh yeah i think flowen would be a HUnewm if anything...

toxic_420

Oct 29, 2003, 10:14 AM

dude, i think what RFB meant was that there was no:
red shot
red rifle
red wand
red rod
red launcher etc
all the red weapons seem geared toward the HU class.

and flowen a HUnewm? does he have big pointy ears?
and anyway, as ian-kun said, flowen was in the military, and the military detest hunters, so its unlikely hes any kind of hunter.

geez, whats next? what character class is principal tyrell??????????
[/sarcasm]

A2K

Oct 29, 2003, 12:58 PM

Actually Elly will whip out the Barta if you watch her close enough in Seat of the Heart!

Malkavian

Oct 29, 2003, 01:13 PM

I think the problem of confusion here is the mix of PSO story and gameplay stuff.
The Hunters are just mercenaries. If someone isn't a mercenary, instead a civilian, militar, scientist or whatever he isn't a Hunter.

The question here is if one of that persons became hunter which class would be?
Following PSO background the biggest difference is race. Androids, Humans and Newmans. Androids can be specialists in melee or ranged combat. Humans can develop the 3 types, melee, ranged and magic. And Newmans the best class in magic can be specialist in melee and magic.

And decide one type is something gameplay related. Sonic Team wanted to focus on 3 very different professions with determined abilities and this isn't easily explained as a story thingie because is a decision about gameplay.

A nice example is Flowen, Donoph and Zoke. 3 friends that were theorically the same, brave fighters. But Zoke is a RAmar and the other 2 HUmars. What made them different? Just the decision of Sonic Team to fit them on a class.
Or Calus... the scientist was he really a FOmar with developed magic skills? I think he was just a scientist and in order to make it appear in the game, ST gave him a FOmar class outfit.
And Mome the scientist! he gets a RAmar outfit for go down to Ragol.
All this is what Ian-KunX already said.

Is like some NPCs wearing weapons they couldnt equip, probably they are bad in their professions that's why they can. Thinking as it was real world one doesnt decide I'll be ranger and master the ranger weapons and forgot to use hunter weapons instantly.
But in order to play the class must be determined and fixed.

So answering the question...

Red Ring Rico is the daughter of an important politician that has hunter and scientist knowledges. That is story-wise. Then in the game she has a HUmarl look since is a human girl and being had Flowen the HUmar as mentor and received hunter weapons.

Flowen was brave hunter that decided to be military. And for the weapons he made to Rico and the flowen's swords he was specialist in melee combat. So Human male specialist in melee is HUmar. But he has its own look and outfit.

SpyroDi

Oct 29, 2003, 03:04 PM

HUnewearl_Meira

Oct 29, 2003, 03:12 PM

On 2003-10-29 12:04, SpyroDi wrote:

On 2003-10-28 23:37, RFB wrote:
You can know she is a HUnter just by looking at her weapons

-Red Saber
-Red Handgun
-Red Mechguns
-Red Daggers
-Red Partisan
-Red Sword

No "Red cane" or "Red rifle" or "Red insert-name-of-FO-or-RA-weapon-here".
She is obviously a HUnter.

Those are Flowen's weapons.

They seem to have been made in association with Flowen (Seeing that the letters on the weapons spell out his first name-- "Heathcliff"), but it seems that Rico used them. Flowen seems to have been some sort of mentor to Rico.

SpyroDi

Oct 29, 2003, 03:26 PM

Where in the game does it say that Flowen had trained Rico?

Aunt_Betty

Oct 29, 2003, 03:39 PM

On 2003-10-29 12:26, SpyroDi wrote:
Where in the game does it say that Flowen had trained Rico?

I think if you talk to the Army guy in one of the rooms (I forgot) he tels you. This happens in Episode2.

HUnewearl_Meira

Oct 29, 2003, 04:37 PM

On 2003-10-29 12:26, SpyroDi wrote:
Where in the game does it say that Flowen had trained Rico?

It seems that Flowen trained Rico. There's an obvious association between the two, as referenced by Rico's use of the Red weapons (as seen in one of the many potential ending credits), as well as Flowen's mentions of her which imply that she greatly respected Flowen (and that he admired her to some degree, as well). They are certainly associated with eachother, which leads me to suspect one (or any combination) of the following (listed in the order which I consider the most likely, the first most likely, the last least likely).

1.) Principal Tyrell asked Flowen to look after Rico prior to Pioneer 1's departure.
2.) Flowen trained Rico.
3.) Flowen and Rico shared some sort of romantic involvement.

Now, these are just my own personal opinion and speculation, and I don't suggest you take these ideas for final truth, but they are a few suggestions to ponder.
Now, if I could read and comprehend Japanese, I believe I could indicate precisely what sort of relationship Rico and Flowen has, as they're linked together in a Character Relationship Chart in the PSO Episodes I&II Artbook I obtained a few days ago.

Nai_Calus

Oct 29, 2003, 09:13 PM

On 2003-10-29 10:13, Malkavian wrote:
I think the problem of confusion here is the mix of PSO story and gameplay stuff.
The Hunters are just mercenaries. If someone isn't a mercenary, instead a civilian, militar, scientist or whatever he isn't a Hunter.

And decide one type is something gameplay related. Sonic Team wanted to focus on 3 very different professions with determined abilities and this isn't easily explained as a story thingie because is a decision about gameplay.

A nice example is Flowen, Donoph and Zoke. 3 friends that were theorically the same, brave fighters. But Zoke is a RAmar and the other 2 HUmars. What made them different? Just the decision of Sonic Team to fit them on a class.
Or Calus... the scientist was he really a FOmar with developed magic skills? I think he was just a scientist and in order to make it appear in the game, ST gave him a FOmar class outfit.
And Mome the scientist! he gets a RAmar outfit for go down to Ragol.
All this is what Ian-KunX already said.

Is like some NPCs wearing weapons they couldnt equip, probably they are bad in their professions that's why they can. Thinking as it was real world one doesnt decide I'll be ranger and master the ranger weapons and forgot to use hunter weapons instantly.
But in order to play the class must be determined and fixed.

Exactly my point. Gameplay vs. 'real life' as it is in the world PSO takes place in...

We don't see HUmarls or HUnewms in PSO. Does this mean they don't exist? No, just like it doesn't mean that FOmars, HUcaseals and RAmarls didn't exist before Ep2. FOcasts and FOcaseals can't really happen, and apparently neither can RAnewms and RAnewearls, so there's a reason for that, but the other two aren't in existence because there's no room for them in the game - What would they specialize in? Power? HUcast already does that. Accuracy? HUcaseal already does that. Magic? HUnewearl already does that? Nothing? HUmar does that. Evasion and defense are similarily taken care of by the existing Hunter classes, so there's no reason to have them in the game. This does not mean that there are no female human Hunters or male newman Hunters on Pioneer 2.

Er, Calus is a computer. God only knows where he got his appearance from. It is possible that he gets it from someone else(But then, there are two versions of him, which look slightly different)... From whom, though, is an interesting question. A HUnewearl in Knowing One's Heart mentions a Dr. Calus that was working on an 'independent computer' that passed away when he was young, but while she talks about essentially the same thing in the Japanese version, she doesn't mention his name. It could indeed still be Dr. Calus, but it's hard to say for sure. The name, from what one can figure out from the game, seems to be entirely spurious. Indeed, that's the only mention of him at all that I know of, whether his name is given or not.
Which still doesn't tell us anything about why Calus uses the appearance of a FOmar... ^^;;; It could be what Dr. Calus looked like, assuming we take that he was named after someone named that as fact, it could be what Osto looked like(It's more or less stated elsewhere that Osto is Cal's 'Father', IIRC), it could be something completely spurious that he made up/was programmed to use as a visual reference should one ever be necessary.

...Whoa, talk about going off on a tangent. O_o;

And yes, in the real world, it seems ridiculously unlikely that you would be completely unable to weild, say, a Stag Cutlery, as a FOmarl... Class and sex and MST and ATP requirements don't exist in the real world. As long as you can physically pick it up and know what to do with it, you should be able to use it. But for the sake of gameplay balance, no, a HUnewearl can't use a rifle, and other such things.

Para

Oct 30, 2003, 11:59 AM

i think elly is a RAnewearl... just to keep up the trend of red ring rico and her humarl..
secret prototype characters lol

Nohra

Oct 30, 2003, 12:06 PM

Elly = FOnewearl
Look at her costume, then browse through the choices for the FOnewearl. She might not -officially- be a FOnewe, but she's using that character class. ^-^

The Dark weapons are 'Flowen's' weapons, and the Red weapons are 'Rico's' weapons. One could also draw the conclusion that using the other person's weapons to defeat Falz/Flow (i.e., using the dark weapons to defeat Falz), makes the spirit of the hero (in this case, Rico's spirit), believe that their 'loved one' or whatever has come to put them to rest, which is why you see their spirit when you go back to the battleground (to 'see them one last time').

Ahhhh. Sappy love story logic. I could be compltely wrong, but eh. ^-^

AquaFlare7

Oct 30, 2003, 12:10 PM

In the early planning of adding new characters back in the ending days of dreamcast primetime, if you all remember, there was the idea for the HUnewm that was scrapped upon further planning. He was like a big Ogre-esk dude carrying a big axe on his back. So yeah, I believe that there are other character classes such as the HUmarl (Red Ring Rico). And it makes the most since in saying that Flowen was a Humar, after all look at his clothes http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

NoaIzumi

Oct 30, 2003, 12:14 PM

That's not a bad theory actually. If it were true I'd be upset Rico was in love with Flowen and not my FOmarl http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

If I'd have to pick a class for Rico, it'd have to be the FOmarl.

Nohra

Oct 30, 2003, 12:18 PM

FOmarl -would- kinda make sense, given the glasses. But the HU equipment is more telling, in my opinion. I haven't seen a FOmarl that can use the Red sword. ^^;

navci

Oct 30, 2003, 01:13 PM

Those are Flowen's weapons.

Actually they are made by Flowen for Rico. Hence they being red because Rico likes red. According to THE book (heh) Flowen is Rico's mentor, teacher, however you would like to call it. They have a very close teacher-student relationship. I guess maybe that is why if you use a red weapon, Flowen's spirit will appear because it makes him think about his old student?

As for Rico. I definitely go for the theory that she is a HUmarl. It also says so in THE book. They havn't put the HUmarl in the game because of the balancing. Given HUmarl will have worse MST than HUneweral, and less ATP than the HUmar, so.... what is the point of a HUmarl who hasn't got anything going for her? That's prolly why. And, of course, what Ian-kun said.

A2K

Oct 31, 2003, 02:31 AM

Does the book actually say Flowen made those? I was under the impression Rico made them herself, or, had them custom made.

And character classes do exist within the actual game. Zidd refers to Kireek as a HUcast. I'd have to draw the line at statistics, though.

RFB

Oct 31, 2003, 03:32 AM

So, to this point, the thing is:

-Rico: she is obviously a HUmarl, and for those who might doubt it, at least in spanish, the principal's secretary ask you to find the principal's daughter, Red Ring Rico, "Excellent scientist and -HUNTER- onboard Pioneer1".The word "hunter" is said refering to Rico.

-Flowen: Obviously not a hunter, but he would be classified as HUmar if he was. Master and lover of Rico(Damn him)

-Elly: For those that dont understand why she is a FOnewearl, even though she uses a handgun, go to Ep1, there's a mines mission named "Knowing your heart" or something like that, play it.

-Calus: A living being? a computer? a piece of crap only capable of running paint? who knows, but I think he cant be classified as a force or any kind of hunter. Has he made "combo hits" or has he used any kind of tech? he just apppears and explains stuff or creates pure havoc, depending on the version (Calus98 SE, by Microsoft, with split personality bug!! buy it now for 1.000.000$!!!)
I agree with the idea that Calus took his look from Dr.Calus or Dr.Osto, it's the most logic possibility.

Edit: Ortography.

[ This Message was edited by: RFB on 2003-10-31 00:37 ]

Nai_Calus

Oct 31, 2003, 05:01 AM

On 2003-10-31 00:32, RFB wrote:

(Calus98 SE, by Microsoft, with split personality bug!! buy it now for 1.000.000$!!!)

*chokes and falls over* XD That has to be the funniest thing I've read all year. Bwahahaha

Caecilius

Oct 31, 2003, 05:51 AM

Getting back on topic, Rico is evidently a HUmarl (as previously mentioned) BUT when I look at my red-clad RAmarl, then look at Rico in one of the credts sequences, there are several similarities...

*gets into flame-proof bunker to avoid flaming*

RFB

Oct 31, 2003, 06:12 AM

On 2003-10-31 02:01, Ian-KunX wrote:

On 2003-10-31 00:32, RFB wrote:

(Calus98 SE, by Microsoft, with split personality bug!! buy it now for 1.000.000$!!!)

*chokes and falls over* XD That has to be the funniest thing I've read all year. Bwahahaha

Yeah, I think I was inspired in that moment. Maybe I'll set that as my sig here.

Anout the RAmarl... we dont know how HUmarls really dress, and anyway, probably Rico's dress is exclusive for her, as Flowen's one.

About the bunker... mwehehehe, I planted a bomb in there, you're going to die!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif(Just Kidding)

navci

Oct 31, 2003, 03:26 PM

On 2003-10-31 02:51, Caecilius wrote:
Getting back on topic, Rico is evidently a HUmarl (as previously mentioned) BUT when I look at my red-clad RAmarl, then look at Rico in one of the credts sequences, there are several similarities...

*gets into flame-proof bunker to avoid flaming*

Well. Actually. You know what they say. A FOmarl reaching a certain level with Shifta/Deband 30 becomes the HUmarl because of the hunter like fighting abilties. Also, all the Rico stuff is exclusively usable only by the FOmarl (woo nice repetitive sentence)probably isnt a conincidence. =}

I kinda don't think Elly is a FOnewearl, she, along side with Nol are both civilians and dress up in some sort of hunters clothings to pretend they are a hunter so they can get down on Ragol, no? They can theoretically pick whatever outfit they like. ...

And the also answer someone else's question.
The book did say Flowen made those red weapons. I guess that's why although they are Rico's weapons, they made up the name "Heathcliff". ..... A romantic gift in a Hunter way? =} Though! Principal Tyrell and Flowen were friends from old times, it will feel a little wrong if Flowen did hit on Rico. Hehehe

Nohra

Oct 31, 2003, 03:38 PM

Elly might not be a hunter, but she IS a FOnewe, was the point I was trying to make.

As for Rico... given the fact that the Red equipment is all designed to be used by Hunters (as stated before, I have yet to see a FOmarl using the Red Sword or the Red Partisan), despite the glasses.

A2K

Oct 31, 2003, 03:42 PM

I think... part of the reason why only FOmarl can use it is because the other classes have built-in eyewear in the character customization? Can't say the same for the earrings, though.

To be honest, though, I think Rico and Flowen are in a class of her own, really. Heh heh. While, undoubtedly the classes do exist in PSO, I don't think that they're set in stone by any means.

Proto_Coyote

Oct 31, 2003, 06:46 PM

On 2003-10-30 09:10, AquaFlare7 wrote:
In the early planning of adding new characters back in the ending days of dreamcast primetime, if you all remember, there was the idea for the HUnewm that was scrapped upon further planning. He was like a big Ogre-esk dude carrying a big axe on his back. So yeah, I believe that there are other character classes such as the HUmarl (Red Ring Rico). And it makes the most since in saying that Flowen was a Humar, after all look at his clothes http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

HUnewm for those who haven't seen him.

http://www3.telus.net/bdustin/PSO/HUnewmn.gif

Nei3rd

Nov 1, 2003, 11:56 AM

The Hunewm looked awesome. I was hopin that he would be in Ep1&Ep2. I think the whole reason for Calus being a FOmar is simply elegance. Not because of the magical prowress but due to the angelic appearance that they can radiate. Good Calus does seem angel like while Evil Calus does a good job coming off as a devil. Elly is just Elly. No class. Just her and a gun (like Max Payne! Well he had like 10 at his disposal but I'm gettin a little off topic here). I have two swords but does that make me a swordsman? Nay, but it does put me in the class "Guy who spends his money lavishly when he should really be using it to pay the bills..and get more tattoos".

Also the deal with RRR is that she's just a normal hunter. You could put her in the HUmarl category. I believe she was trained under Tyrell. If you see the ending pic of the Rappy Ending you'll see little Rico fighting her Dad. The whole thing with Rico and Flowen being Mentor-Pupil is a rumor. One of the NPCs in Ep2 says this. The whole "Heathcliff" on her weapons could have been givin to her as a present by Flowen or she could have had them custom made and put his name on them because, as the game says, she adored him.

navci

Nov 1, 2003, 02:58 PM

The whole thing with Rico and Flowen being Mentor-Pupil is a rumor. One of the NPCs in Ep2 says this. The whole "Heathcliff" on her weapons could have been givin to her as a present by Flowen or she could have had them custom made and put his name on them because, as the game says, she adored him.

No no. It says so in THE book. (unless you just don't buy what the book says...)
Flowen IS Rico's mentor. The reason that you see Rico fighting her dad is... well, I mean how many dads won't try to train their daughter at least for once in their lives?

White_Knight

Nov 1, 2003, 03:54 PM

I would have to agree on RRR being HUmarl from the breif flash I saw of her as I beat falz on hard (DCv.2) and as far as Flowen I don't know Elly is probibly a FOnwrl but like most NPC's isn't really sure what there doing same with the others that "disguise" themselves and the whole reson for making a HUmarl Hunwmn RAnwmn and RAnwrl is just for the sakeof better costomizing your char I mean some people may want to be a newman guy with a shotgun but they can't because the char isn't in existance "yet" theymay come around in ep.4 seeing as I figure that they'll get that far with what there going to makeon three andbring four back to the original with the cards as a sub game(I hope I hope I hope) like FFXI the cards are there butas a mini game but it costs an extra dollar a month cest' la vive any way I have rambled to long

Nai_Calus

Nov 1, 2003, 11:30 PM

On 2003-11-01 08:56, Nei3rd wrote:
The Hunewm looked awesome. I was hopin that he would be in Ep1&Ep2. I think the whole reason for Calus being a FOmar is simply elegance. Not because of the magical prowress but due to the angelic appearance that they can radiate. Good Calus does seem angel like while Evil Calus does a good job coming off as a devil. Elly is just Elly. No class. Just her and a gun (like Max Payne! Well he had like 10 at his disposal but I'm gettin a little off topic here). I have two swords but does that make me a swordsman? Nay, but it does put me in the class "Guy who spends his money lavishly when he should really be using it to pay the bills..and get more tattoos".

Dlah, I hate the HUnewm designs. Well, there was the one pencil-sketchy one that looked fairly normal and not like some hulking idiotic... Thing. That one wasn't so bad. What the hell does ST have against male newmans? >_>;

Yeah, I have a sword too. Doesn't mean I know how to use it.(Although, if people are stalking you, if they see you carrying one, they tend to leave you alone from then on. >_>)

Hmm, as for Calus, that's fairly logical in terms of the game itself. The 'good' Calus does have that look of 'Good Guy' around him, and while I've never actually seen a picture of the 'evil' Calus(Nobody loves him, apparently), from descriptions of him I have a pretty good idea of what he looks like, and he does have a sort of 'Bad Guy' look to him. That or it's morning during SotH and he's just -really- not a morning person. (I look evil and pissy like that when I'm actually awake in the morning. XD) And yeah, the whole elegance thing... Now that I think about it, can your really picture Cal as a FOnewm? Or a HUmar? Or a RAmar? It... Just doesn't seem to work as well. XD

All this discussion of Rico and Flowen being/not being mentor/pupil/lovers/whatever brings to mind bad jokes involving the dub version of Sailor Moon. (Lesbian lovers != Cousins XD)

Nei3rd

Nov 1, 2003, 11:35 PM

Well guess I need to catch up on the game. Thanks navi for the refresher. I guess I got mixed up.

KaFKa

Nov 2, 2003, 01:00 AM

wow, this forum is about as entertaining as a barrel of munkeys with bseball bats in a china shop XD!!! and just so all of you can get some closure on this whole deal...

-flowen= HUmar nothing else describes him other than that

-rico=HUmarl, again, same thing as flowen

-calus=FOcast a computer using magic...

-elly=FOnewearl, she acts like a FOnewrl and halfway looks like one in ep2.

-principal tyrell=mar hes a civilian that might know how to fight... i guess

anyways, anybody that wants to tear this entry apart; have fun!

Eihwaz

Nov 2, 2003, 03:02 AM

Well, here's what I think.

Rico is a HUmarl. She's a human, she's female, and she uses HUnter-type weapons. The reason only FOmarls can equip her glasses is that FOmarls are the "closest" character class to HUmarl.

My 2nd theory involves the Red Weapons. Firstly, we all know that Flowen was experimented on. We also know that "the results looked fairly positive", according to one of Flowen's logs. Well, I believe that the Red Weapons were developed using the data from Flowen's experiments. I mean, they LOOKED just like the "basic" weapons, but had superior power. They also were "incomplete". This was due to the fact that the lab went to hell in a handbasket, so to speak, when the various specimens got loose. And of course, the letters carved into the Weapons spell "Heatcliff".

I can only speculate HOW Rico got them...I have 2 theories about that. The first is that Flowen requested that the weapons would be give to Rico. This one seems a bit iffy to me. The other theory is that she somehow found or stole the weapons.

The basics of the final theory has already been discussed. Seeing Rico and Flowen. Well, the Red Weapons on Olga Flow allows you to see Flowen? This seems to agree with my theory of the origin of the Red Weapons. If they were made using Flowen's research, then they react somehow with Olga Flow, allowing you to see a "ghost" or shadow of Flowen. The Dark Weapons, made from the DNA of Olga Flow, react with Dark Falz (who possessed Rico, I believe) and show us Rico. The theory behind this is that Flowen received his mutant DNA from wounds inflicted on him by Dark Falz. Olga Flow, who had absorbed Flowen, has DNA somewhat like Flowen/Dark Falz. And when a weapon corrupted by this DNA makes contact with Dark Falz, it again somehow reacts and shows us a spirit or shadow, this time of Red Ring Rico.

Longest post ever for me, heh. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

darthsaber9x9

Nov 2, 2003, 09:43 AM

On 2003-10-31 15:46, Proto_Coyote wrote:

On 2003-10-30 09:10, AquaFlare7 wrote:
In the early planning of adding new characters back in the ending days of dreamcast primetime, if you all remember, there was the idea for the HUnewm that was scrapped upon further planning. He was like a big Ogre-esk dude carrying a big axe on his back. So yeah, I believe that there are other character classes such as the HUmarl (Red Ring Rico). And it makes the most since in saying that Flowen was a Humar, after all look at his clothes http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

HUnewm for those who haven't seen him.

http://www3.telus.net/bdustin/PSO/HUnewmn.gif

he looks like gannondorf!

ilr2000

Nov 2, 2003, 11:24 AM

Oh yeah!?!? Well RICO MULTI EQUIPED!!! It's true!! How else do you explain the Rico's Glasses... AND Rico's earrings AND THE RED RING!! All at once!!! She probably had red weps with hacked %'s too... she was the principles daughter after all... she's got connections.

edit- if anyone takes this post seriously go end your life right now

[ This Message was edited by: ilr2000 on 2003-11-02 08:26 ]

Nohra

Nov 2, 2003, 12:18 PM

OMG IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! THANK YOU ILR!!!

-If anyone takes THIS post seriously, I shall personally slap you senseless

navci

Nov 2, 2003, 03:09 PM

On 2003-11-02 08:24, ilr2000 wrote:
Oh yeah!?!? Well RICO MULTI EQUIPED!!! It's true!! How else do you explain the Rico's Glasses... AND Rico's earrings AND THE RED RING!! All at once!!! She probably had red weps with hacked %'s too... she was the principles daughter after all... she's got connections.

edit- if anyone takes this post seriously go end your life right now

[ This Message was edited by: ilr2000 on 2003-11-02 08:26 ]

Mwahahaha!
Of course she has connections! I mean, she is the boss! And she is a student of the other bosses! So that can only mean one thing = she can do whatever she wants in this game. If she wants 1000 damage, 1000 damage it is. If she wants you dead, dead you are!

Bleh bosses.

A2K

Nov 2, 2003, 05:14 PM

Heathcliff was probably very important to her, but she probably put him in the back of her mind as time went on after the announcement of his death.

It seems that she definitely got the Red weapons from him... but I think she was the one who decided to engrave "Heathcliff" on them? Otherwise it would look rather narcissistic of Flowen, lol

And her father Colin is very important as well; he is the one who gave her the Red Ring. (Check the Ultimate Ruins 3 message capsules.) http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Nohra

Nov 2, 2003, 06:01 PM

Eh, people do sappy things for the sake of love and friendship, they could have always been a token for her to remember him by. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Hikara

Nov 2, 2003, 09:39 PM

Okay, now that we all know Rico's Class (possibly...), does anyone know what kind of Mag she used? Or will this end up in another endless debate...?

Krank40oz

Nov 2, 2003, 10:32 PM

Meria well said, i couldnt have said it any better, well ditto!

Proto_Coyote

Nov 2, 2003, 10:34 PM

On 2003-11-02 18:39, Hikara wrote:
Okay, now that we all know Rico's Class (possibly...), does anyone know what kind of Mag she used? Or will this end up in another endless debate...?

Be pointless to even debate what mag she used. There is no mention of her even using one. Not to mention it doesn't show one over her shoulder in the pictures that play during the credits.

[ This Message was edited by: Proto_Coyote on 2003-11-02 19:39 ]

Nohra

Nov 3, 2003, 12:22 AM

Red Sato, without a doubt! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Barubary6

Nov 3, 2003, 03:15 AM

Elly is a FOnewearl. She was clearly one in that offline Episode 1 quest. (BTW I hope PSO Plus updates that quest to use the new costume!!) Also, her underlying character class is FOnewearl.

Although I doubt we will see it happen, if Rico is put in a quest, she most likely will be a HUnewearl internally. This is because there is no HUmarl class, and HUnewearl fits the best with animations and stats. (The extra "skins" are laid on top of existing character classes.) The only thing that looks weird is the roundhouse she does in her skirt, hehe =^_^=

-- Barubary

A2K

Nov 3, 2003, 03:29 AM

Do NPCs have to follow class statistics rules, though? In terms of animations I think RAmarl would be a better fit, but... whatever.

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RFB

Nov 3, 2003, 04:34 AM

I have various things to state... at least 2, more if I get to remember:

1-Elly is a FOnewearl. Not a hunter, but a FO, since, if my memory has not been scratched this weekend, she uses Barta in her Ep1 quest. A civ using techs? I highly doubt it.

2-I think that Flowen gave Rico his weapons, and I can give a more accurate vision of the situation. This is what I believe:

When he was wounded by Dark Falz, Osto told him to become an experiment about the D-cellular lifeform.
They told him that from the moment he accepted, he would be dead for the world, so he told them to give his weapons to RRR when they told her he is "dead", as a token of their relation, so she wouldnt forget him.

Well, that's my opinion, but at least, it's beautiful (or so I think).

3-About Rico's mag: as has been stated before, she has never been told of using any kind of mag. However, she is a hunter, and every hunter is given a mag, no matter how (in)famous he/she is. She may had it, but never used it. Or maybe Sega didnt show it up in the pics to evade the danger of decreasing the beauty in her pics.

That's all for now, over and out.

Spider

Nov 3, 2003, 06:14 AM

On 2003-11-03 01:34, RFB wrote:
I have various things to state... at least 2, more if I get to remember:

1-Elly is a FOnewearl. Not a hunter, but a FO, since, if my memory has not been scratched this weekend, she uses Barta in her Ep1 quest. A civ using techs? I highly doubt it.

2-I think that Flowen gave Rico his weapons, and I can give a more accurate vision of the situation. This is what I believe:

When he was wounded by Dark Falz, Osto told him to become an experiment about the D-cellular lifeform.
They told him that from the moment he accepted, he would be dead for the world, so he told them to give his weapons to RRR when they told her he is "dead", as a token of their relation, so she wouldnt forget him.

Well, that's my opinion, but at least, it's beautiful (or so I think).

3-About Rico's mag: as has been stated before, she has never been told of using any kind of mag. However, she is a hunter, and every hunter is given a mag, no matter how (in)famous he/she is. She may had it, but never used it. Or maybe Sega didnt show it up in the pics to evade the danger of decreasing the beauty in her pics.

That's all for now, over and out.

How could Falz have inflicted Flowen when Falz had yet to obtain a body? Or did Flowen give the weapons to Falz?

RFB

Nov 3, 2003, 07:10 AM

On 2003-11-03 03:14, Spider wrote:

On 2003-11-03 01:34, RFB wrote:
I have various things to state... at least 2, more if I get to remember:

1-Elly is a FOnewearl. Not a hunter, but a FO, since, if my memory has not been scratched this weekend, she uses Barta in her Ep1 quest. A civ using techs? I highly doubt it.

2-I think that Flowen gave Rico his weapons, and I can give a more accurate vision of the situation. This is what I believe:

When he was wounded by Dark Falz, Osto told him to become an experiment about the D-cellular lifeform.
They told him that from the moment he accepted, he would be dead for the world, so he told them to give his weapons to RRR when they told her he is "dead", as a token of their relation, so she wouldnt forget him.

Well, that's my opinion, but at least, it's beautiful (or so I think).

3-About Rico's mag: as has been stated before, she has never been told of using any kind of mag. However, she is a hunter, and every hunter is given a mag, no matter how (in)famous he/she is. She may had it, but never used it. Or maybe Sega didnt show it up in the pics to evade the danger of decreasing the beauty in her pics.

That's all for now, over and out.

How could Falz have inflicted Flowen when Falz had yet to obtain a body? Or did Flowen give the weapons to Falz?

Well, if you've read the messages that Flowen left behind, he says that he tried to defeat falz with many men, but everyone was killed before they could even harm falz. Flowen was the only survivor, but he had been injured and infected by the D-Cellular lifeform.
How could falz beat them without a body? it's a good question, but I dont have the answer, and I guess that noone here has it. You should ask ST, but I dont think they'll ever answer you.

A2K

Nov 3, 2003, 06:14 PM

Who ever said he didn't have a body then? Rico only said it needed a body to take physical form--not that it actually needed one right then and there.

Eihwaz

Nov 3, 2003, 07:56 PM

EDIT: Whoops, wrong window. XD

Yeah, the whole "Flowen gave the Red Weaps to Rico as a gift, and she carved his initials into them" makes sense to me.

And I doubt Dark Falz would *NEED* a body to inflict lethal wounds...having a body just allows him to focus his power in a more devastating way. Without one, I suppose he would rage around like a beast.

[ This Message was edited by: Eihwaz on 2003-11-03 16:58 ]

Spider

Nov 5, 2003, 03:22 AM

Well if he could do damage without a body, wouldn't it be logical to stay bodyless and kill big powerful warriors without worrying about getting hurt, I mean, Falz is starting to sound like abit of a wus after gaining a body, just sitting in a dank spaceship hiding from intruders, and when people do get there they kick the living poo bum outta him and release Ricco.

Proto_Coyote

Nov 5, 2003, 05:27 AM

On 2003-11-03 04:10, RFB wrote:

On 2003-11-03 03:14, Spider wrote:

On 2003-11-03 01:34, RFB wrote:
I have various things to state... at least 2, more if I get to remember:

1-Elly is a FOnewearl. Not a hunter, but a FO, since, if my memory has not been scratched this weekend, she uses Barta in her Ep1 quest. A civ using techs? I highly doubt it.

2-I think that Flowen gave Rico his weapons, and I can give a more accurate vision of the situation. This is what I believe:

When he was wounded by Dark Falz, Osto told him to become an experiment about the D-cellular lifeform.
They told him that from the moment he accepted, he would be dead for the world, so he told them to give his weapons to RRR when they told her he is "dead", as a token of their relation, so she wouldnt forget him.

Well, that's my opinion, but at least, it's beautiful (or so I think).

3-About Rico's mag: as has been stated before, she has never been told of using any kind of mag. However, she is a hunter, and every hunter is given a mag, no matter how (in)famous he/she is. She may had it, but never used it. Or maybe Sega didnt show it up in the pics to evade the danger of decreasing the beauty in her pics.

That's all for now, over and out.

How could Falz have inflicted Flowen when Falz had yet to obtain a body? Or did Flowen give the weapons to Falz?

Well, if you've read the messages that Flowen left behind, he says that he tried to defeat falz with many men, but everyone was killed before they could even harm falz. Flowen was the only survivor, but he had been injured and infected by the D-Cellular lifeform.
How could falz beat them without a body? it's a good question, but I dont have the answer, and I guess that noone here has it. You should ask ST, but I dont think they'll ever answer you.

Damn, I guess I missed those particular messages. Kinda cool I guess http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Hikara

Nov 5, 2003, 05:25 PM

On 2003-11-03 16:56, Eihwaz wrote:

And I doubt Dark Falz would *NEED* a body to inflict lethal wounds...having a body just allows him to focus his power in a more devastating way. Without one, I suppose he would rage around like a beast.

The only reason Dark Falz got a body (in my opinion) is to scare the living crap out of the first person to lay eyes on him. Don't you all agree back in the day that when you first saw him at Level 30 that he was a freaking huge monster that haunted you in your dreams the first time you died at his hands?

KaFKa

Nov 5, 2003, 05:33 PM

Eihwaz

Nov 5, 2003, 09:40 PM

On 2003-11-05 00:22, Spider wrote:
Well if he could do damage without a body, wouldn't it be logical to stay bodyless and kill big powerful warriors without worrying about getting hurt, I mean, Falz is starting to sound like abit of a wus after gaining a body, just sitting in a dank spaceship hiding from intruders, and when people do get there they kick the living poo bum outta him and release Ricco.

The only reason Dark Falz got a body (in my opinion) is to scare the living crap out of the first person to lay eyes on him. Don't you all agree back in the day that when you first saw him at Level 30 that he was a freaking huge monster that haunted you in your dreams the first time you died at his hands?

Yes, he was scary the 1st time. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Well, I suppose he CAN attack with great power WITHOUT a body, but having a body (to concentrate or focus his powers) would grant him even more destructive power. Also, he doesn't passively sit around, waiting for HUmars to eat. He's sealed inside that obelisk/monolith, and apparently trying to escape. When someone shows up, the seal dissolves for some reason, or perhaps Falz's anger becomes so intense, he busrts out of the seal.

RFB

Nov 6, 2003, 02:27 AM

Now that you say it, it's logical that he can harm without a body. Why else would he be not only trapped inside the ship, but also inside the monolith? He had to be too dangerous, those who sealed it were probably scared of him, thinking about the possibility that falz could use his powers to break the ship, come back, and kick their butts.

I hope to see who are those morons who sent him to Ragol in Episode3, so that WE can kick their a**es for being so irresponsible.

And I dont think that he can break the eal sometimes whitout a body, I think that the monolith allows him to use his powers, but only in short range. When he got Rico's body, his powers gained it's full extent and KABOOM!

NoaIzumi

Nov 6, 2003, 05:13 AM

On 2003-11-05 14:25, Hikara wrote:

The only reason Dark Falz got a body (in my opinion) is to scare the living crap out of the first person to lay eyes on him. Don't you all agree back in the day that when you first saw him at Level 30 that he was a freaking huge monster that haunted you in your dreams the first time you died at his hands?

Isn't it obvious?

You've been trapped in some dark void for a good millenium or so. The first thing you'd want to do after getting out is put on your Hawaiian shirt and party down.

Big Falz style.

Even Video Game bosses need their dose of *wink wink* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[ This Message was edited by: NoaIzumi on 2003-11-06 02:22 ]

RFB

Nov 6, 2003, 07:18 AM

On 2003-11-06 02:13, NoaIzumi wrote:

On 2003-11-05 14:25, Hikara wrote:

The only reason Dark Falz got a body (in my opinion) is to scare the living crap out of the first person to lay eyes on him. Don't you all agree back in the day that when you first saw him at Level 30 that he was a freaking huge monster that haunted you in your dreams the first time you died at his hands?

Isn't it obvious?

You've been trapped in some dark void for a good millenium or so. The first thing you'd want to do after getting out is put on your Hawaiian shirt and party down.

Big Falz style.

Even Video Game bosses need their dose of *wink wink* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

o_O "RFB may not be able to answer, he seems not to have connection, brain and mind any longer."
>_> 2 times, same day... you REALLY wanna fry my brain in an Akiko's pan, right?
YOU'RE EVIL! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Nohra

Nov 6, 2003, 11:06 AM

The obelisk seems to be the type of seal that RRR was mentioning in her capsule messages, in addition to the Mutts Ditt Poumn thang, or the three pillars that you have to activate to open the ruins. It would seem that the obelisk has a seal that must be broken in order to fight Falz, and that's the only true way to stop it. One could also theorize that Falz was working from inside the seal to break it slowly, making it necessary to defeat it punctually.

Eihwaz

Nov 7, 2003, 12:24 AM

Yeah, I was thinking that MUUT DITS POUMN was refering to the the 3 monoliths in Forest 2, Cave 2, and Mine 2...

Falz must have had large destructive power even without a body. I mean, look at all the precautions those who sealed him took:
1st: They sealed him inside a obelisk with magic
2nd: They sealed the obelisk inside a massive maze, filled with traps, monsters, and locked doors
3rd: They bury this maze/spaceship deep underground
4th: They create a 3-part lock for the ship...

Even with all those precautions, Falz still has some power. Like possesing NPCs in the quest "From The Depths", or calling out to Ult in "Soul of Steel". And all of the various monsters are either genetic "guards" to keep people away from Falz...or something Falz created...but why keep people he could possess away?

[ This Message was edited by: Eihwaz on 2003-11-06 21:28 ]

RFB

Nov 7, 2003, 02:02 AM

2nd: They sealed the obelisk inside a massive maze, filled with traps, monsters, and locked doors

But werent those monsters placed there by Falz? I thought so, as a security measure so noone can get to him and destroy him.
Which at the same time makes me wonder... why the heck doesnt he posses us, and then make us drive off a cliff? That way he would be sure that noone gets to him.

AquaFlare7

Nov 7, 2003, 02:58 AM

because we are "the hero's" and plus the game would suck....right after the character creation screen falz would say "I p0wnz0red j00" and the it would say game over...

RFB

Nov 7, 2003, 03:06 AM

On 2003-11-06 23:58, AquaFlare7 wrote:
because we are "the hero's" and plus the game would suck....right after the character creation screen falz would say "I p0wnz0red j00" and the it would say game over...

Ok I'll just say LOL. I did not see that one coming from a mile. I almost laughed out loudly in the middle of my Operative Systems class (Though we're not studing that, but some Karnaugh thingy... who's this Karnaugh anyway?)

Anyway, I was looking for another kind of answer like "It's not said in the game, but you were given a Cure/Falzpossesion before even going to forest", something that could fit in the story of the game.

AquaFlare7

Nov 7, 2003, 03:13 AM

Ok, you want a serious answer then? *scratches head*

IN THEORY it would make sense that perhaps we as the heroes have a higher will power than that of the NPC's, thus being able to resist the power of Falz's corruption.

-OR-

maybe Falz wants us to fight him? maybe he is really just a hunk of sadness that he had to play the bad guy in the game and really just wants to be friends...He probably only got Rico for her red ring and maybe he didnt cause the explosion. Maybe that was sega team trying to ban him for having an unattainable item. And perhaps that is why Sega doesnt ban anymore??? I'm too tired so I'll just go to sleep now

RFB

Nov 7, 2003, 03:23 AM

On 2003-11-07 00:13, AquaFlare7 wrote:
Ok, you want a serious answer then? *scratches head*

IN THEORY it would make sense that perhaps we as the heroes have a higher will power than that of the NPC's, thus being able to resist the power of Falz's corruption.

-OR-

maybe Falz wants us to fight him? maybe he is really just a hunk of sadness that he had to play the bad guy in the game and really just wants to be friends...He probably only got Rico for her red ring and maybe he didnt cause the explosion. Maybe that was sega team trying to ban him for having an unattainable item. And perhaps that is why Sega doesnt ban anymore??? I'm too tired so I'll just go to sleep now

The first part makes no sense whatsoever. If that was to be true, then when a lvl1 character goes to ruins to train with his lvl 100+ friends, he should be possesed.

And the second part... >_> if that's a serious answer, I'm the queen of Spain.(*A door ropens* "Queen, you've got a call" "Shit!!")

AquaFlare7

Nov 7, 2003, 03:31 AM

as for the will power, maybe we are just born with it (maybe its maybalene!)

-OR-

Perhaps Falz cannot posses everyone as he is not strong enough. Every soul he possesses takes more of his stamina (think of neo from matrix 2's ending). After all he is still locked inside of the monolith until we "smart" hunters go and break him out. And keep in mind he sort of possess us on his 3rd form.

RFB

Nov 7, 2003, 03:37 AM

You've said, he "sort", why doesnt he posses us completely? he's been unsealed, he is at full power, he could posses Superman if he wanted to! Why not us?

The stamina theory may work for when we're kicking enemies during ruins, but once he is free, he's got enough to revive twice, only once at normal, he CAN posses us. That just doesnt make sense, it's like a gigantic plot-hole. Something's missing there.

Nai_Calus

Nov 7, 2003, 05:08 AM

Well, Falz already -has- a body, so he doesn't need yours. I don't know why he just lets your happy ass show up and pwn him, though.

Gameplay's sake, I suppose. Why don't -you- mutate when DRL gets you with his tentacle? Why don't -you- get infected with the D-type factor in all the running you do through Ruins/Falz/Seabed/etc? Because there wouldn't be much point to the game if you mutated into some hideous monster and went insane.

Maybe Rico has some slight degree of control and holds Falz back from you or something?

RFB

Nov 7, 2003, 06:24 AM

On 2003-11-07 02:08, Ian-KunX wrote:

Maybe Rico has some slight degree of control and holds Falz back from you or something?

You know whats funny? that it makes sense! I know that all those facts are made that way for the sake of gaming, but it just doesnt fit with the story happenings.

But that "Rico has a little control over Falz and that's why he doesnt appear and say -I p00wndz ya all-" makes too much sense...

Hikara

Nov 7, 2003, 05:03 PM

You know what? It makes sense that Falz would want a friend. It also makes sense that he doesn't have friends, because he's so freaking huge. Just imagine...

Friend: High 5, Falz! *High fives*

Well, there goes another one off the cliff...

navci

Nov 7, 2003, 06:27 PM

Hehe.
I would buy into the whole being evil and powerful and lonely without a worthy rival thing.

I think Falz WANTS you to grow stronger and give him a good challenge... kinda like Kireek. =D

Eihwaz

Nov 7, 2003, 10:53 PM

The fact that Rico "holds back Falz" reminds me of a movie I once saw. In it, there was a terrible demonic expermental creature. He had killed dozens, and had absorbed the main chars brother. The creature was about to kill her, and her brother "morphed" out of the chest of the beast and muttered "Kill me now." And she blew the monsters brains with her gun, end of movie.

Maybe the same reason humans can use techs are the reason Hunters are immune to Falz's possession. Androids, without a soul, cannot be possesed. Now, Falz part 3 merely steals your soul and defends himself with it for a while. Even androids, in this game at least, show emotion and have feelings towards others (Like Shino toward Zoke). This is their "soul".

Hikara

Nov 8, 2003, 12:45 AM

Whoa, wait... is that what that attack does?

I was playing with my buddy against Final Falz, and I noticed Falz seemed to make a copy of me... I would be hit 3 times without flinching or seeing the hit... what was that!?

A2K

Nov 8, 2003, 12:48 AM

Dark Falz takes Rico to use her as a focus. He doesn't need more than one focus.

Eihwaz

Nov 8, 2003, 01:09 AM

Falz's "possesion" attack works as follows: the "soul" of the char he has absorbed appears as a smaller figure of that character in Falz's mouth. On that person's map, a flashing red line connects Falz and the player. During this time, any damage done to Falz is also done to the "linked" player. In essence, he's using human shields.

White_Knight

Nov 10, 2003, 04:36 PM

yes that is what that attack does it is very annoying because you can't hit him but he can still blast you with grants for a lot of damage but you can't hit him because it will hurt you and what book is it that gives all this info on RRR and Flowen

RFB

Nov 11, 2003, 02:17 AM

I have no book, I have never seen it, and the only new thing here for me is that Flowen was not only Rico's master, but also lover.

Just read the capsules and the messages in the CCA and seabed PCs, play the mission, talk with people in the pioneer inside a quest that usually is not there... that kind of stuff.

Spider

Nov 11, 2003, 05:33 AM

Flowen and Ricco lovers? I dunno, that just doesn't seemed right, Flowen been the old smart well respected warrior type guy and Ricco being a somewhat nerdy young woman that can hold her own... never really thought of that.

The Ricco holding Falz back thing sounds pretty good but.

Jaks

Nov 14, 2003, 09:56 PM

Okay this is what I think:
Flowen = HUmar w/FOnewm cape thingy
Rico = HUmarl (obvious)
Elly = FOneweral
Priciple Tyrell = ADMINmar (kidding)
Calus = FOcast w/ FOmar suit

And Dark Falz wouldn't need your body because he(?)
thinks that RRR was the strongest human and when he realizes his mistake it's to late to posses you.

Hey! the HUnewm does look like Ganondorf!

[ This Message was edited by: Jaks on 2003-11-14 19:10 ]

Nai_Calus

Nov 14, 2003, 11:06 PM

On 2003-11-14 18:56, Jaks wrote:
Okay this is what I think:

Calus = FOcast w/ FOmar suit

[ This Message was edited by: Jaks on 2003-11-14 19:10 ]

There is no such thing as a FOcast. >_>; There should be, though. XD

Calus technically would not be any sort of class at all, as he doesn't have an actual real physical form. He's not even an android, let alone a human. He's a computer that happens to use the form of a human male Force for visual reference purposes.

Actually, that makes me wonder - Androids seem to have some sort of rights as citizens/people, but what sort of rights, if any, does Calus have? Doesn't seem like he really has any - He has free will, that much is obvious, but as for how much freedom he has to express that will, it doesn't seem like it would be much at all... Especially considering how he was apparently modified by the Lab when they restored him from the backup Elly made, which is a horrible violation of self when you think about it. You know, that would have to really suck for him... Having apparently the same sort of intelligence and emotions and will as a human being would have, and having nearly no freedom or rights at all. Brr.

_Sinue_

Nov 15, 2003, 09:10 AM

The "Obelisk" is not what Falz is trapped in. That's just a shrine. What looks like an "Altar" on that shrine is really Pandora's Box. Phantasy Star almost always had a main villian, with Dark Force sitting the in the background manipulating the villan or events around that villan to serve his own needs.

Lassic was PS1's main villan

Mother Brain was PS II's main villan

Rulakir was PS III's main villan

In each of these games, the battle doesn't end after the main boss fight. There's usually a box located near the end of the game which holds Dark Force/Falz. This is no different in PSO. If you notice, you can go up on the obelisk and walk around it.. but Falz isn't actually released until you walk up to the box.

He's not "Trapped" in the box either. It's more of a hiding place - or a sarcofagus where he rests, but his power and influence extend far beyond that box. You can see it happening in many of the offline Quests.. expecially those that take place in the Ruins.

Honestly, I don't even think he's trapped in the ship at all either. The first people to enter the ship (as far as we know) was Flowen and his unit. They had to have broken the seal to get in - yet it's closed again by the time Rico gets to it. We KNOW Rico entered that way.. but still it's sealed when you get to it after beating Vol Opt. So we know the Seal self-closes... and if it self-closes.. then how would Falz have gotten out to destory Pioneer 1? When he DID escape.. he sure as hell didn't use the door. He blasted a crater right through the ship, earth, and part of the Pioneer 1 Residential area - damaging the Central Dome in the process. You see this happen right on the opening video. You know it couldn't have been because of any extra power he had by absorbing Rico - she was the only survivor of the explosion! He didn't absorb her until well after Pioneer 2 entered orbit.

I think his main reason for destorying Pioneer 1 was to freighten Pioneer 2. Falz FEEDS off of fear, sorrow, hatred, and all the negetive emotions. He timed it just right so that he could consume the souls of Pioneer 1 (who's faces you see on the floor in the boss fight with him) and feed off the emotions of Pioneer 2. He left Rico alive, because he knew she was a powerful vessle he could use (As AK2 pointed out) as a focus for his power. The fact that he sent monsters after her in the ruins was most likely to test his chosen one for suitablitiy. If she could make it to him, alone - she must be powerful. Not to mention he fed off of her fear and sorrow as well the whole way down.