Silenced
Nov 4, 2003, 02:11 PM
I'm taking a major risk by posting this, since I realize the rules say we shouldn't ask for people to tell us what ID to pick, but since I may be stuck offline forever (not likely, but it may be some time, enough for the items in ult to count), this is a fairly important decision. I would usually make it myself, but I do not know all of the items in the game, so when I analyze the item tables for each ID I am worried I am missing some key items. I have scored each ID I am interested in based on what items it has. I tried to pick a few items that I am interested in or are just good to have, and partially based my score on those. Here are the scores tables for the best performing IDs... I'm sure they look fairly ugly when posted though, I appologize, but it'd take too long:
Before you read, I suggest u check the second to last paragraph and see what's in bold, to know exactly what you need to do if I haven't stated it clearly enough.
(First the score table)
Hildeblue: 7.5
rock moola: 4
Reds: 11
MKB: 4
Real Agito: 8
Other Agito: 7
Lavis: 8
Madam's: (Umbrella) 1.5
PoL: (patisan of lightning) 6
God/: 8
Sorcerer: (arm) 6
Bringer: (arm) 4.5
Hitogata/Book: 7
Cure/: 3.5
Other: 28
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Total: 114
Now to explain some stuff before u start reading:
I list what enemies the items are found on, since finding an item on a Toolaw is far different then finding it on a Delsaber or something. I usually score lower if it's on a rare monster like a pal rappy, because I do not want to telepipe trick if I can just pick another ID that gets it more often + I find TP Tricking boring and not something I do if I want to have fun w/ PSO. If I do nto write vh (very hard) or h (hard) next to a monster, it means it is in ult. If I write Temp or Space after a monster it means it's its Ep. 2 Counterpart, and not Ep.1. I shorten alot of their names but it gets the point across. Now, I can't remember which mericarol, meritas, etc. is which creature so I'll need help with that. It matters since many of the items are from them. When I have items I list like God/'s, if it says 1x and then a few different ones separated by commas, it means one of each. It's not always like that though and I apologize. U can see above that Sorcerer and Bringer means it can find their arms in ult ruins. I think that covers it. Don't ask why I wanted Madam's Umbrella.
Bluefull
Hildeblue: Yes | 7.5
rock moola: 4 | 3.5 (2vh (1x Vh pan arms, hard to kill))
Reds: 2 | 7.5 ((1 x Partisan, Slicer (easy/common enemy))
MKB: No | 0
Real Agito: Yes | 8 ((Tollaw)
Other Agito: 2 |3 ((1980 Epsilon, 1983 ZolGib)
Lavis: 1 |6.5 ((SinRed)
Madam's: 2 |1 ((vh&ult Gibbles)
PoL: 1 |4 ((ult Merikle)
God/: 1 | 4 ((1x TP)
Sorcerer: Yes | 6
Bringer: No | 0
Hitogata/Book: Yes | 5 ((1 DelL/1 Indi)
Cure: 2 | 2.5 ((2x Confuse nar/malqeek)
(Other: Good stuff in VH, Plantain Leaf (h Gibbles, vh Spiggel, ult GiGue), Psycho Wand (ult delbiter), Sould Banish (deldepth), Kasami Bracer (ult nano), Zanba (ult zele), Imperial Pick (Gul-gue), Caduceus (Pouil)
| 13.5
Total: 72
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Purplenum
Hildeblue: Yes | 7.5
rock moola: 4 | 3.5 (2vh, 1x vh PanArms hard to kill)
Reds: 3 | 9.5 (1x Handgun (el rappy), Dagger (Pan Arms), Mechgun (Del D))
MKB: No | 0
Real Agito: Yes | 6 (Mericus)
Other Agito: 4 | 4.5 (1980 ult Delsaber, 1983 ult ZolGib, 2x 1991 vh Zele/ult Zele)
Lavis: 1 | 8 (Tollaw)
Madam's: 0 | 0
PoL: 1 | 4 (ult Merikle)
God/: 7 | 8 (2x God/Arm ult Gug-gue cave/vh Dubchic Mine, 2x God/Mind Nar,Hidoom (bad w/ Red Dagger), God/Luck LoveRap, God/Legs Gul-gue Space, God/Ability ult Gibbles)
Sorcerer: No | 0
Bringer: Yes | 4.5
Hitogata/Book: Yes | 4.5 (1(DelL)/1(ultGran Ruins))
Cure: 0 | 0
Other: Psycho Wand (Mil Lily), Ruby Bullet, Syncesta (SinRed), Kasami Bracer (Canabin), 2x Yas 9000 (Canane/ Crimson Temp), Spread (Merlan), Belra's Arm, Twin Psycho (vh Grass Temp), Spirit Garment (So Dem Temp), Parts of Baranz, Rika's Claw (Epsilon), Gi Gue's Body, Attribute Wall (Meritas), Yas 7000 (Zele), Electro Frame (Deldepth)
28
Total: 78
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Viridia
Hildeblue: No | 0
rock moola: 0 | 0
Reds: 4 | 11 (1x Saber (Hildtor), Sword (Nano), Partisan (Crims), Dagger (SinBlue))
MKB: No | 0
Real Agito: Yes | 8 (Tollaw)
Other Agito: 8 | 7 (2x 2001 (vh SinGold/h Bringer), 1x 1980 (LoveRap), 1977 (Delsaber Space), 1983 (Spigell), 3x 1991 (h Delbiter/vh Zoa/ Zoa))
Lavis: 1 | 6 (Gran)
Madam's: 2 | 1.5 (Mericarol, vhDelbiter)
PoL: 0 | 0
God/: 4 | 4 (2x Pow (vh Pouil/Mil),1x Body (Poiul/vh Dubchic), Arm (Hidoom Space)
Sorcerer: No | 0
Bringer: Yes | 4.5
Hitogata/Book: Yes | 2.5 (0/Del Lily)
Cure: 2 | 2 (Poison (Ob), Shock (Meritas))
Other: Yasha (Melqueek), Sange (Pan Arms), Madam's Parasol (Gibbles), Flame Visit (Merlan/Del D Temp), Belra's Arm, Twin Psycho (Indi Temp), Asuka (Hildelt Temp), Gi Gue's Body, Soul Bansih (Merikle), Stink Frame (Merila), Fatsia (Gee), Psychowand (Delbiter), Yamiga (Del Depth)
22
Total: 68.5
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Skyly
Hildeblue: No | 0
rock moola: 0 | 0
Reds: 4 | 11 (1x Saber (Hildtor), Sword (GoVulm), Slicer (Nano), Dagger (Crims))
MKB: 1 | 3 (Maricarol)
Real Agito: Yes | 8 (Migium Sapce)
Other Agito: 0 | 0
Lavis: 1 | 6.5 (Del D)
Madam's: 0 | 0
PoL: 1 | 4.5 (Gibbles)
God/: 8 | 8 (3x Arm (vh Hildblu/Gulgue/vh Dubchic),2x Body (vh Poiuly/Merlan),2x HP (Nar/Melqueek),1x Pow (Hildtor Temp))
Sorcerer: 0 | 0
Bringer: 0 | 0
Hitogata/Book: 0 | 0
Cure: 1 | 1.5 (1x Paralysis (Dolmolm))
Other: Angel Harp (Pal), Sange (Mil), Chain Sawd (Vulmer/Dubchic Space), Syncesta (Baranz), Asuka (Canune), Sacred Cloth (Indi), Psycho Wand (Gran), Cudgel (Indi), Lavis Cannon (Del D), Yasha (Indi Temp), Yamigarasu (Ill Gil), Fatsia (Meritas), Yas 7000 (Mericus), J-Sword (Gi-Gue), Zanba (Zele), Soul Banish (Delbiter), Twin Blaze (Morfos), Stink Frame (vh DGunner), Morning Glory (BulClaw), Seemingly nice items wherever u go
25.5
Total: 68
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Now, I did not include Heaven Punishers sicne if I REALLY want one, I'll just use my Oran and kill a Delbiter... but in any case I don't really want one. I still am putting down Psycho Wands and Hildeblue Heads because they are very important to me. As u can see, I am not putting much value on MKBs since they are on Berrils for whitill. I'm putting down Cudgels because if I ever do get online, I plan on trading them. I don't think I calculated in Guld or Milla... I'm not sure why. I still put down items monsters drop in Seat of the Heart or whatever it's called (Ill Gil, Epsylon, Del Lily, etc.) since there's still a good chance I'll get online, just not soon.
I don't really care about materials, since I'm happy with the mats I get on Whitill + I only trade mats, not use, so if I don't get online then its a waste.
I really don't care much for weps that only rangers can use, but I do care for mechguns and hanguns that are universally usable.
Do not tell me to consider teckers and non-rare wep drops... I really don't care about these. Well, actually, do different teckers even matter when it comes to rares? It's not like it cahnges what rare it is.
Sadly, it seems, when I look, Oran and Whitill don't seem to have great items. But that's what worries me. I doubt ST would make 2 IDs completely suck, so what is it that I'm missing when I look at these charts?
Anyway, for now I am most interested in Purplenum or Viridia, but is that wise? Again, I'm not sure if my research and noobishness justifies this topic, but I really can't be online that much (its expensive, I just saved the tables onto my harddisk) so it's not like I can research every item.
I really just need you to tell me if u notice any prominent items that I have missed. I don't want you to research the tables or stuff like that, just tell me if u know of any items off the top of your head that aren't listed, or if I underscored (underrated) some items. Otherwise agree, or possibly advise me to use an ID other then these four. As a final note, I do not want Redria. Don't ask why, I just don't (well, if you can think of a good reason I might but don't waste your time). I haven't researched yellowboze... and I doubt I'd use it but if u really think I need it u may say so. Also, I'm sure that I missed many items with Bluefull since that's the second one I did of them all, and even though I checked again I am sure to have missed some. Same with purplenum to some extent.
And for the countless time, I apologize if this can be considered SPAM, but I just know that no matter how much I research that my decision won't be based on all the facts if I do this on my own. Thank u, and if u edit out all the contents of the post to save abdnwidth and tell me this is SPAM, I will accept it without problems. I'm also sorry for typos, but I'm rushing to finish this becuase, bluntly, I need my fix of PSO and haven't played for 2 months, and don't want to use my current characters since both inventories are full and i don't want to pointlessly create a character for storage. Plus, it's no fun without change.
EDIT: Ill put in separators between numbers.
EDIT2: Some tags messed up, didn't see. Any advice on how to get things to line up nicer? Dashes or underscores maybe?
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Silenced on 2003-11-04 11:18 ]</font>
Before you read, I suggest u check the second to last paragraph and see what's in bold, to know exactly what you need to do if I haven't stated it clearly enough.
(First the score table)
Hildeblue: 7.5
rock moola: 4
Reds: 11
MKB: 4
Real Agito: 8
Other Agito: 7
Lavis: 8
Madam's: (Umbrella) 1.5
PoL: (patisan of lightning) 6
God/: 8
Sorcerer: (arm) 6
Bringer: (arm) 4.5
Hitogata/Book: 7
Cure/: 3.5
Other: 28
----------------------------
Total: 114
Now to explain some stuff before u start reading:
I list what enemies the items are found on, since finding an item on a Toolaw is far different then finding it on a Delsaber or something. I usually score lower if it's on a rare monster like a pal rappy, because I do not want to telepipe trick if I can just pick another ID that gets it more often + I find TP Tricking boring and not something I do if I want to have fun w/ PSO. If I do nto write vh (very hard) or h (hard) next to a monster, it means it is in ult. If I write Temp or Space after a monster it means it's its Ep. 2 Counterpart, and not Ep.1. I shorten alot of their names but it gets the point across. Now, I can't remember which mericarol, meritas, etc. is which creature so I'll need help with that. It matters since many of the items are from them. When I have items I list like God/'s, if it says 1x and then a few different ones separated by commas, it means one of each. It's not always like that though and I apologize. U can see above that Sorcerer and Bringer means it can find their arms in ult ruins. I think that covers it. Don't ask why I wanted Madam's Umbrella.
Bluefull
Hildeblue: Yes | 7.5
rock moola: 4 | 3.5 (2vh (1x Vh pan arms, hard to kill))
Reds: 2 | 7.5 ((1 x Partisan, Slicer (easy/common enemy))
MKB: No | 0
Real Agito: Yes | 8 ((Tollaw)
Other Agito: 2 |3 ((1980 Epsilon, 1983 ZolGib)
Lavis: 1 |6.5 ((SinRed)
Madam's: 2 |1 ((vh&ult Gibbles)
PoL: 1 |4 ((ult Merikle)
God/: 1 | 4 ((1x TP)
Sorcerer: Yes | 6
Bringer: No | 0
Hitogata/Book: Yes | 5 ((1 DelL/1 Indi)
Cure: 2 | 2.5 ((2x Confuse nar/malqeek)
(Other: Good stuff in VH, Plantain Leaf (h Gibbles, vh Spiggel, ult GiGue), Psycho Wand (ult delbiter), Sould Banish (deldepth), Kasami Bracer (ult nano), Zanba (ult zele), Imperial Pick (Gul-gue), Caduceus (Pouil)
| 13.5
Total: 72
----------------------------
Purplenum
Hildeblue: Yes | 7.5
rock moola: 4 | 3.5 (2vh, 1x vh PanArms hard to kill)
Reds: 3 | 9.5 (1x Handgun (el rappy), Dagger (Pan Arms), Mechgun (Del D))
MKB: No | 0
Real Agito: Yes | 6 (Mericus)
Other Agito: 4 | 4.5 (1980 ult Delsaber, 1983 ult ZolGib, 2x 1991 vh Zele/ult Zele)
Lavis: 1 | 8 (Tollaw)
Madam's: 0 | 0
PoL: 1 | 4 (ult Merikle)
God/: 7 | 8 (2x God/Arm ult Gug-gue cave/vh Dubchic Mine, 2x God/Mind Nar,Hidoom (bad w/ Red Dagger), God/Luck LoveRap, God/Legs Gul-gue Space, God/Ability ult Gibbles)
Sorcerer: No | 0
Bringer: Yes | 4.5
Hitogata/Book: Yes | 4.5 (1(DelL)/1(ultGran Ruins))
Cure: 0 | 0
Other: Psycho Wand (Mil Lily), Ruby Bullet, Syncesta (SinRed), Kasami Bracer (Canabin), 2x Yas 9000 (Canane/ Crimson Temp), Spread (Merlan), Belra's Arm, Twin Psycho (vh Grass Temp), Spirit Garment (So Dem Temp), Parts of Baranz, Rika's Claw (Epsilon), Gi Gue's Body, Attribute Wall (Meritas), Yas 7000 (Zele), Electro Frame (Deldepth)
28
Total: 78
----------------------------
Viridia
Hildeblue: No | 0
rock moola: 0 | 0
Reds: 4 | 11 (1x Saber (Hildtor), Sword (Nano), Partisan (Crims), Dagger (SinBlue))
MKB: No | 0
Real Agito: Yes | 8 (Tollaw)
Other Agito: 8 | 7 (2x 2001 (vh SinGold/h Bringer), 1x 1980 (LoveRap), 1977 (Delsaber Space), 1983 (Spigell), 3x 1991 (h Delbiter/vh Zoa/ Zoa))
Lavis: 1 | 6 (Gran)
Madam's: 2 | 1.5 (Mericarol, vhDelbiter)
PoL: 0 | 0
God/: 4 | 4 (2x Pow (vh Pouil/Mil),1x Body (Poiul/vh Dubchic), Arm (Hidoom Space)
Sorcerer: No | 0
Bringer: Yes | 4.5
Hitogata/Book: Yes | 2.5 (0/Del Lily)
Cure: 2 | 2 (Poison (Ob), Shock (Meritas))
Other: Yasha (Melqueek), Sange (Pan Arms), Madam's Parasol (Gibbles), Flame Visit (Merlan/Del D Temp), Belra's Arm, Twin Psycho (Indi Temp), Asuka (Hildelt Temp), Gi Gue's Body, Soul Bansih (Merikle), Stink Frame (Merila), Fatsia (Gee), Psychowand (Delbiter), Yamiga (Del Depth)
22
Total: 68.5
----------------------------
Skyly
Hildeblue: No | 0
rock moola: 0 | 0
Reds: 4 | 11 (1x Saber (Hildtor), Sword (GoVulm), Slicer (Nano), Dagger (Crims))
MKB: 1 | 3 (Maricarol)
Real Agito: Yes | 8 (Migium Sapce)
Other Agito: 0 | 0
Lavis: 1 | 6.5 (Del D)
Madam's: 0 | 0
PoL: 1 | 4.5 (Gibbles)
God/: 8 | 8 (3x Arm (vh Hildblu/Gulgue/vh Dubchic),2x Body (vh Poiuly/Merlan),2x HP (Nar/Melqueek),1x Pow (Hildtor Temp))
Sorcerer: 0 | 0
Bringer: 0 | 0
Hitogata/Book: 0 | 0
Cure: 1 | 1.5 (1x Paralysis (Dolmolm))
Other: Angel Harp (Pal), Sange (Mil), Chain Sawd (Vulmer/Dubchic Space), Syncesta (Baranz), Asuka (Canune), Sacred Cloth (Indi), Psycho Wand (Gran), Cudgel (Indi), Lavis Cannon (Del D), Yasha (Indi Temp), Yamigarasu (Ill Gil), Fatsia (Meritas), Yas 7000 (Mericus), J-Sword (Gi-Gue), Zanba (Zele), Soul Banish (Delbiter), Twin Blaze (Morfos), Stink Frame (vh DGunner), Morning Glory (BulClaw), Seemingly nice items wherever u go
25.5
Total: 68
----------------------------
Now, I did not include Heaven Punishers sicne if I REALLY want one, I'll just use my Oran and kill a Delbiter... but in any case I don't really want one. I still am putting down Psycho Wands and Hildeblue Heads because they are very important to me. As u can see, I am not putting much value on MKBs since they are on Berrils for whitill. I'm putting down Cudgels because if I ever do get online, I plan on trading them. I don't think I calculated in Guld or Milla... I'm not sure why. I still put down items monsters drop in Seat of the Heart or whatever it's called (Ill Gil, Epsylon, Del Lily, etc.) since there's still a good chance I'll get online, just not soon.
I don't really care about materials, since I'm happy with the mats I get on Whitill + I only trade mats, not use, so if I don't get online then its a waste.
I really don't care much for weps that only rangers can use, but I do care for mechguns and hanguns that are universally usable.
Do not tell me to consider teckers and non-rare wep drops... I really don't care about these. Well, actually, do different teckers even matter when it comes to rares? It's not like it cahnges what rare it is.
Sadly, it seems, when I look, Oran and Whitill don't seem to have great items. But that's what worries me. I doubt ST would make 2 IDs completely suck, so what is it that I'm missing when I look at these charts?
Anyway, for now I am most interested in Purplenum or Viridia, but is that wise? Again, I'm not sure if my research and noobishness justifies this topic, but I really can't be online that much (its expensive, I just saved the tables onto my harddisk) so it's not like I can research every item.
I really just need you to tell me if u notice any prominent items that I have missed. I don't want you to research the tables or stuff like that, just tell me if u know of any items off the top of your head that aren't listed, or if I underscored (underrated) some items. Otherwise agree, or possibly advise me to use an ID other then these four. As a final note, I do not want Redria. Don't ask why, I just don't (well, if you can think of a good reason I might but don't waste your time). I haven't researched yellowboze... and I doubt I'd use it but if u really think I need it u may say so. Also, I'm sure that I missed many items with Bluefull since that's the second one I did of them all, and even though I checked again I am sure to have missed some. Same with purplenum to some extent.
And for the countless time, I apologize if this can be considered SPAM, but I just know that no matter how much I research that my decision won't be based on all the facts if I do this on my own. Thank u, and if u edit out all the contents of the post to save abdnwidth and tell me this is SPAM, I will accept it without problems. I'm also sorry for typos, but I'm rushing to finish this becuase, bluntly, I need my fix of PSO and haven't played for 2 months, and don't want to use my current characters since both inventories are full and i don't want to pointlessly create a character for storage. Plus, it's no fun without change.
EDIT: Ill put in separators between numbers.
EDIT2: Some tags messed up, didn't see. Any advice on how to get things to line up nicer? Dashes or underscores maybe?
<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Silenced on 2003-11-04 11:18 ]</font>